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Back in April ACORN was exonerated when the Kings County District Attorney concluded there had been no criminality. But the damage had been done. ACORN had been all but destroyed, and the traditional media that had done so much to inflict the damage mostly ignored that news. As Joe Conason wrote on Wednesday:

Recalling Breitbart from his days as eager lackey to Matt Drudge, I warned from the beginning that nothing he produced would resemble journalism. More than once since then, I’ve mentioned the accumulating evidence of deception by O’Keefe and Breitbart in creating and then publicizing the ACORN tale. It was a "scandal" that became a national story only after wildly biased coverage on Fox News Channel, followed by sloppy, scared reporting in mainstream outlets, notably the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the national TV networks (some of whom flagellated themselves for failing to publicize this canard sooner!).

Investigations by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, Brooklyn District Attorney Charles J. Hynes, California Attorney General Jerry Brown, and the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, among others, have served to exonerate ACORN of the most outrageous charges of criminality (while still criticizing ACORN employees and leadership). More important, from the perspective of journalistic ethics, those investigations revealed that the videotapes released and promoted by Breitbart’s website were selectively and deceptively edited to serve as propaganda, not news.

This raised a question that still hasn't been answered: Beyond blaming Breitbart, Faux News, and the gullibility of both Obama administration officials and Congressional Democrats, will the traditional media ever take a good hard look at themselves? Breitbart and Faux would not get away with their lies if the rest of the media weren't using their own bullhorns to blindly promote those lies, repeating without reporting, as has become their habit. Sources either prove credible or they do not, and Breitbart and Faux are not credible. Conason has a suggestion for those traditional media sources that promoted the ACORN smear:

So here at last is an opportunity for the Times and all the other media outlets that aided and abetted the ACORN fraud to restore a minimum level of standards and honor. Investigate Breitbart, O’Keefe, Giles and the making and editing of the ACORN tapes without fear or favor -- then report the findings on page one.

Otherwise, those traditional media sources will have proven that they are as lacking in credibility as are their fully discredited sources. Along the same lines, Greg Sargent challenges the traditional media to take the next step with story about the smearing of Shirley Sherrod:

Have any high profile traditional media figures come right out and said that Breitbart -- who admitted flat out that he received the Sherrod video unedited and posted it without tracking down the orignal -- has dealt himself a severe blow here?

Sargent is too kind. Once might have been a mistake. Twice proves something far different, and the media should be on it. Sargent:

It seems like a no-brainer that this would be the next angle on this story.

It's not about brains; It's about integrity and honor. In the coming days, we will see if those traditional media outlets still have any.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM PDT.

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  •  That our corrupt media should be complicit ... (24+ / 0-)

    in promoting right-wing fraud is ...

    Dog Bites Man

    That anyone in the line of fire of an Andrew Breitbart smear job takes it at face value is ...
    inexcusable.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:19:02 AM PDT

  •  Oh, laughing so hard I cant catch my breath... (27+ / 0-)

    ACORN and Sherrod: Do the traditional media have integrity and honor?

    Our discontent can only be held in check by perfection.

    by A Runner on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:19:14 AM PDT

  •  No, they do not have integrity or honor (21+ / 0-)

    They are either right-wing hacks themselves, or they are afraid of getting angry emails from right-wing assholes. Plus, they do like to stir the pot of racial animosity; it makes for good ratings.

    Shirley Sherrod is a victim of defamation. She is owed an apology AND her job back

    by beltane on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:19:50 AM PDT

  •  Expecting honor and integrity (17+ / 0-)

    from the corporate media is just as naive and futile as it would be to expect any honor or integrity from the likes of BP, Enron, Halliburton, or Blackwater.

    The Corporate Media is the Corporate media. They aren't in business to disseminate the truth. They are in business to make as much profit as they can. Nothing else matters to them, and it's long past high time that we stop pretending otherwise about them.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:20:19 AM PDT

  •  Breitbart's got another race-baiting title up on (21+ / 0-)

    his breitbart.tv page with yet another clip of Sherrod from the same speech (this must be his 'more evidence of racism at the NAACP)...the guy's so fucked in the head he's trying to spin another clip of his victim and doubling down on stupidity.

    Let's hope Fox runs with it.  I don't expect she'll be asked to resign twice for the same job.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:20:36 AM PDT

  •  None. Gibbs was being diplomatic when (15+ / 0-)

    he asked them to do soul searching on their involvement in the Sherrod issue:

    Gibbs calls on media to do soul searching about Sherrod mess

    Last night, Gibbs sent me an email in response to my post yesterday arguing that one moral of the Sherrod tale is that big news orgs are far too willing to pursue stories ginned up by folks who are known to cook the facts. Gibbs wrote:

    "Just as the Department of Agriculture and this Administration will review its actions, I also hope this starts a conversation in the media about how it operates."

    This might irk some media figures, who don't like to be told by the White House how to do their jobs. But this is interesting because it opens a window on one of the White House's running frustrations.

    To wit: It drives the White House bananas when big news orgs are all too willing to demand responses to stories ginned up by the right before anyone determines whether they're legit. That's because this paradoxically confers more crediblity on them, making it harder to undo their damage once they're shown to be bogus.

    In particular, Gibbs argues that some news orgs in effect were also duped by the Breitbart tape. They sought comment from the White House on the tape before anyone had established whether it fairly represented what the woman said. This forced the White House to respond to a bogus story -- thus making it a real story.

    Please give StepLeftStepForward's diary a gander: http://www.dailykos.com/... He's got an idea for actually beginning to deal with the issue of a failed 4th estate in this country.

    "Palin tried marijuana years ago. She said it distorted her perceptions & impaired her thinking. She hopes the effects will eventually one day wear off." -

    by marabout40 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:20:43 AM PDT

  •  No, the TM will never (7+ / 0-)

    look at themselves or pursue the scum that usurp a mantel of "journalism."  That is exactly what I tell the poor telemarketers who persistently call to get me to buy a subscription to the NYTs or Hartford Courant (rag extraordinaire).

    "We think the truth is bad enough. It obviously is." -- Fishgrease

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:21:06 AM PDT

  •  integrity and honor (9+ / 0-)

    don't add up on Quarterly financial statements.

    We Destroyed this Village in order to save it from the Viet Cong er um Taliban

    by JML9999 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:22:21 AM PDT

  •  as I wrote almost three months ago (6+ / 0-)

    we have two governments at work: One which panics and reacts with horror over selectively edited videos that don't show evidence of criminal wrongdoing (ACORN), and one which remains virtually silent over unedited videos that show atrocities committed in war (WikiLeaks).  What binds these two governments together is a Washington media that is too often complicit in the same game.

  •  Don't hold your breath (5+ / 0-)

    It's not about brains; It's about integrity and honor. In the coming days, we will see if those traditional media outlets still have any.

    ...the tradmed is in the business of making $$$, not keeping the citezenry informed

  •  Its time for the traditional media (5+ / 0-)

    to take a stand and stop coddling FOX as if they were something legitimate.  What does their 'news' network audience consist of, like 1% of the population (about 2.5 mil a night)?  Who gives a shite about them.

    They've screwed over so many people because of the lack of balls and integrity in the media nowadays.  I hope this was the final straw.

    Stick the FOX correspondent at the daily briefings in the back.  Don't call on them for questions.  They're going to complain anyways, so why pretend?

    'Slower Traffic - Keep Right!'

    by luvbrothel on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:23:14 AM PDT

    •  Um, possible the MSM is afraid of Fox (1+ / 0-)
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      I think that is a legit question.

    •  Whine and complain and scream liberal bias (1+ / 0-)
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      in the mainstream media and everywhere. They're always the perpetual victims.

      On Monday Falafel boy Bill ran the Breitbart version and racist narrative of this story in one of his segment. He said Sherrod should be fired.

      In addition to that he then whined and moaned and went on to ask why other major news organizations were not covering this story just like he and Fox News did. He then went on to answer his own question and said well this just proves liberal bias in the media and their all in the tank for this president.

      Um no, maybe like one of your colleagues at Fox, you know a Shep Smith, they were a bit skeptical of the video and credibility of the source (breitbart) and didn't trust the complete accuracy as it was presented and wanted to get more facts and information...you know like responsible journalist should do? Instead of doing like BillO did, show some righteous indignation toward Sherrod's comments and ask for her to be fired first with your typical certainty of you conviction that this bogus tape was true.

      BillO and the usual Fox News bullies proved once again they have no credibility or integrity but they still make the rest of the news media cringe and cower when they label them "liberal". How pathetic.

      BillO and FAux...your "news" reporting has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the truth and facts have a liberal bias.

      "Children are our most valuable natural resource." -- Herbert Hoover

      by emal on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:49:48 AM PDT

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  •  Few in the tradmed have integrity. (9+ / 0-)

    It's a fundmanetal problem and why media is not believed.  It's about $$$ for TV stars and corproate sponsors.

    Pooties and Woozles unite; you have nothing to lose but your leashes!

    by TomP on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:23:29 AM PDT

  •  um, no? (6+ / 0-)

    Do the traditional media have integrity and honor?

    Ha! That's funny.

    Pretty much all Americans, left and right, young and old, white and black, east coast and west coast, north and south, all agree that corporate media companies are way too powerful. Virtually everyone opposes media consolidation. Virtually everyone is frustrated with what the media landscape has become.

  •  karoli at Crooks & Liars (12+ / 0-)

    has it right about the news media

    Maybe you all should stop using Breitbart as your assignment editor.

  •  The rw nonsense from all the usual suspects will (2+ / 0-)
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    continue until there are consequences for their reckless actions.

    Unfortunately, I see real consequences as out of the question.

    By this weekend, the media narrative will be back on a pro-gop, anti-admin footing and Breitbarts shenanigans will be all but forgotten.

    Our discontent can only be held in check by perfection.

    by A Runner on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:24:54 AM PDT

  •  Well, now they have another chance. (3+ / 0-)
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    It is long overdue for the NY Times, or some broadcast news department to take a long, detailed investigation into the right wing media machine.

    Not just Fox, but radio as well, and web sites like Drdge, etc.

    If the Washington Post can spend two years on the intelligence bureaucracy that has grown since 9/11, they can do this too.

    CBS used air three hour "CBS Report" investigations.  Back in 1968, Walter Cronkite exposed the Vietnam war as a quagmire we'd never win.  Maybe Katie Couric wants to boost her ratings a bit... how about making Uncle Walter smile from above by doing the same to the right wing noise machine?

    The same holds true for NBC and ABC.  

    In fact, since that RWNM is so damned dangerous, I'll propose something even more earth shattering:  Brian William, Katie Couric, and Diane Sawyer should do it all together and have the show run on all three networks!

    Nothing hurts a cockroach like a little light.

    Well the time has come for some real journalists to shed a lot of light, like a star's worth, on right wing and their media demagoguery.

    ======

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    http://pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

    Watch it, send it along to all you know.

    by oxfdblue on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:25:05 AM PDT

  •  Can We Say "Lynch Mob?" (7+ / 0-)

    The GOP is focused 100% on the Negro Menace, and blacks are the new Enemy Within, replacing all other boogeymen (liberals, gays, greens etc) and letting them ignore issues like abortion.

    They want to single out any black person who dares speak to white a person or about race on video so they can edit it into bait for the lynch mob.

  •  cocktail weenies, its what's for integrity& honor (1+ / 0-)
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    It's time for trains. Infrastructure is money in the bank.

    by 88kathy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:25:47 AM PDT

  •  This is simply a terrific piece (3+ / 0-)
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    beltane, moonpal, SouthernBelleNC49

    Thank you for asking the crucial questions.  At the end of the day, is there going to be a realization that Fox"News" has issues and just does not deserve the protection of traditional media outlets.

    climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

    by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:25:52 AM PDT

  •  This is the pitfall with a broken news media. (3+ / 0-)
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    Who reports on it?  

    When the media is broken, controlled by corporate interests, then who do you look to for an expose on it?  

    It's like falling in a time-loop.

    You rely on the media to expose things like this, but when it's the media that is involved, no one is there to cover it.  They won't put the gun to their heads and pull the trigger.

    This is also why campaign finance is never covered by them.  Do you think they want to advocate for getting rid of a multi-billion dollar 4 year cycle that makes them rich beyond their wildest dreams?  

    The United States: A wholly owned subsidiary of British Petroleum.

    by Beelzebud on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:26:12 AM PDT

  •  Well, I can tell you joe scarborough does not (1+ / 0-)
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    drewfromct

    after I watched him practically swallow his tail this week trying to back around from his "fire her" position on Monday. He was way too willing to believe teh breitbart without question.

    "Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell" - Edward Abbey

    by stormserge on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:26:13 AM PDT

    •  MY LTE to Denver Post (1+ / 0-)
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      maryabein

      The story about USDA Official Shirley Sherrod you chose to print in the Thursday Post completely missed or obscured the point. The point is that Andrew Brietbart, the "conservative media entrepreneur" who selectively edited the video causing the uproar, is a serial liar, enabled by talk radio and Fox news.. He did the same thing with the ACORN (a group helping poor people) videos, everyone freaked out, ACORN  was defunded and dissolved - and was later found blameless, too late. This is an obvious right-wing conspiracy, filled with lies and deception, and the article makes it all about the administration.

      National media has created such an atmosphere of gotcha "journalism" that everyone - the administration, USDA, MSNBC, FOX hosts, CNN all took the bait on this, and in this case the truth was so absolutely, totally different from the "black racism" line being pushed it blew up in everyone's face. As far as racism goes, this illustrates just what the right and the tea baggers are protesting - that they're not racist - but the very fact that they so quickly jumped on the alternative concept that there's black racism oppressing whites reveals their internal issues. Gotcha!

      National media conglomerates, especially cable news, are simply not to be trusted for truth and objectivity.

      Unlikely they'll print it - they frequently take columns and selectively edit them themselves, especially AP, which isn't great copy to start with, fact-wise.

      Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

      by blindcynic on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:54:36 AM PDT

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  •  The MSM won't do anything about this. (4+ / 0-)
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    GP, drewfromct, cybersaur, pengiep

    Virtually every major TV/Cable/magazine and newspaper outlet in this country is controlled by a handful of individuals/families or mega corporations.  

    They mostly care about profit and the price of their stock.

    There is no way they will stand up for what they still see as the DFHs.  

    I'll vote Democratic again when 51% of Dem Congress critters grow a pair.

    by jaf49 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:26:44 AM PDT

  •  Thank you!!! (9+ / 0-)

    This situation is so aggravating. NPR did a piece on it this am and completely skirted around the elephant in the room: "conservative activists" are deliberately promoting deceptive videos and media resources and the MSM is NOT doing their jobs by vetting this stuff better or outright ignoring it.

    Lisa

    All Kossacks are my allies, but if you can't express your thoughts in a civil and kind manner, I won't be engaging in a conversation with you.

    by Boston to Salem on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:26:44 AM PDT

  •  my first awareness of the complete and total (5+ / 0-)
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    bwren, cybersaur, pengiep, maryabein, moonpal

    failure of the TM, was the endless loop of the meaningless "Dean Scream".  That was every bit as much of a media lynching as all that have followed.

    not another dime to the dnc, dscc, dccc until i have my civil rights.

    by scooter in brooklyn on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:27:32 AM PDT

  •  No chance (0+ / 0-)

    It seems like a no-brainer that this would be the next angle on this story.

    These guys can have more egg on their face than what is produced on a mid-size chicken farm, still, they'll just shake it off and pretend it never happened.

  •  A more likely scenario... (8+ / 0-)

    is that the Wash Post does a weeklong series (I can smell the Pulitzer already) on left-wing blogs' efforts to silence right-wing critics.

  •  Take down Fox News (3+ / 0-)
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    pengiep, beltane, stormserge

    Just listened to a Netroots Nation conference (on  DKos TV) on Environmental Conflict and Climate Change -- grassroots vs "Big Green" where it appeared the consensus on the panel and in the audience was to "take down Fox News".

    Sounds so good!  Now, how?

    Find your own voice--the personal is political.

    by In her own Voice on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:27 AM PDT

  •  Jon Stewart was a Breitbart booster on Acorn, (5+ / 0-)

    going so far as to bash the media for not doing what he did first.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:42 AM PDT

  •  Sorry, buddy, but (8+ / 0-)

    I'm pimping the BP Mothership.  She could use an assist on the rec list from all of you dedicated Kossacks.

    We have meteorological experts besides oil/gas experts to answer questions in the ROVs that are linked.  Come on -- you know you want to rec!  Thanks.

    "We think the truth is bad enough. It obviously is." -- Fishgrease

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:29:11 AM PDT

  •  Biggov attacked Head Start this last spring (2+ / 0-)
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    The racists never stop

    Which is one reason why I regard the NYTimes editorial today exonerating Breitbart and Fox News and laying the blame solely on Obama as despicable.

    There are many ways that conduct to seeming honour, and some of them very dirty ones. John Webster The Duchess of Malfi Act V Scene II

    by GP on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:29:55 AM PDT

  •  Next angle is self criticism? Oh, please. (0+ / 0-)

    The only way the media, particularly the right wing media, will be criticized for what happened here is if someone else does it in front of the cameras, and even then the criticized media will hide the criticism deep inside another story or under the talk of shills.

    The only way criticism of right wing media is played to a wide audience is if it is done by a suitably high-up official who speaks in blunt terms.  That official, and his or her message, will be counterattacked, of course.

    In public education, the depth of the ravine between management and labor is rivaled only by its width.

    by algebrateacher on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:30:29 AM PDT

  •  It's the overton window effect. (2+ / 0-)
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    Fox spouts off half-truths and lies and then raises a fuss that the other networks are all liberal. So to prove they are not liberal, the networks parrot Fox talking points in a case of "showing both sides" false equivalency.

    The more ridiculous Fox acts and forces the other networks to cover their stories, the farther right they pull tradmed and the talking heads.

    Drudge, Breitbart, Fox are all in cahoots. They create a fake storyline and force the other networks to run with it or they'll blast them for being in the tank for Obama.  

    These talking heads and journalists in name only can't look in the mirror.  They can't look critically at their profession.  Hell these are the same folks who felt it necessary to defend Fox when the Obama Administration was truth-telling on them.

    Fox peddles shit and the rest of the media scumbags parrot it because they think it makes them look like serious journalists because they tell both sides.  No matter how uncritically they look at the shit they are spouting off.

    Jake Tapper censors replies to his blogs because he believes he is above criticism.  They create their own bubble where they are never wrong and their opinion is supposed to mean something more because they live inside the village and thus have connections.    

    Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

    by Jonze on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:31:23 AM PDT

  •  I hope Ms. Sherrod sues breitbart's ass off!! (5+ / 0-)

    "Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell" - Edward Abbey

    by stormserge on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:32:01 AM PDT

  •  i think the issue is that the trad med is (6+ / 0-)

    reporting "what has been said." They aren't reporting that it actually happened. The news is what "some are saying." It sort of makes sense if you accept that our political discourse is unrelated to actual facts. Our political discourse revolves primarily around what you can say and get away with.

    It is just like "Fox News claims Obama is a big ole poopy head. How will the Administration react?"

    It's a word game, not a fact game. And this is exactly why I am starting to fucking hate national politics in general.

    I hear gardening is a nice hobby.

    by SeanF on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:32:49 AM PDT

  •  Lisa Myers (NBC) will probably retire before (5+ / 0-)
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    posting any kind of "correction" for the smear reports she did about ACORN.
     

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:33:17 AM PDT

  •  Can we please move on! (1+ / 0-)
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    It's been 24 hours now.  You people forgot about the largest financial reform bill being signed since the great depression in less that 3 or 4 hours.

    Let's move the fuck on from this mind numbingly stupid story!

    •  Yes!! (5+ / 0-)

      And NO. The complete ownership of the "traditional" media by conservative corporate interests is not just this story alone. It is an ongoing problem and it won't be solved easily or overnight. This is a long term issue that we can't afford to ignore.

      That said, I've been mulling over why the corporate media would choose this particular moment to ignite this little dust-up, wondering what else is going on at this moment that they need to distract us from.

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:50:20 AM PDT

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  •  Blame Obama first is always in play. (14+ / 0-)

    In my mind, that's the mode of operation these days.  It's the easy thing to do.  The media always looks for the negative angle and how the Obama administration can be blamed.  In this case, the White House and USDA just made it even easier.

    While the media is busy doing what they always do, they are not getting the attention they deserve.  The deception of Breithard was facilitated by the media.  The media is quick to say the administration rushed to judgment.  But what about them?  That's a tough question that they don't want to have to answer.  

    I watched Rachel Maddow's excellent takedown of Fox last night.  It was inspiring to see someone in the media call out Fox in such a thorough fashion with video.  The only problem I had watching the segment is that I literally felt dirty watching the Fox segments.  They are just repulsive.  

    We are prepared for battle. We'll grind it out, district by district, race by race. We have a story to tell. David Axelrod

    by Ladyhawk on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:34:42 AM PDT

    •  Nicely done indeed! (5+ / 0-)

      The media is quick to say the administration rushed to judgment.  But what about them?  That's a tough question that they don't want to have to answer.  

      Self reflection? Epiphanies? Guilty feelings? Nah.

      Trad med is exposed as a rotting, festering corpse of incompetence and bottom line profiteering. Noting more. Commerce rules.

      Our discontent can only be held in check by perfection.

      by A Runner on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:39:32 AM PDT

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      •  I am about to torture myself and watch the WH (4+ / 0-)

        press briefing with Robert Gibbs.  My guess is that again the majority of the questions will be about the Shirley Sherrod firing.  Different reporters will ask the same questions over and over again even though Robert Gibbs will provide the same answer.  

        The questions will relate to process, feelings and impressions. And the questions will be dripping with innuendo, sarcasm, and gotcha.  That's how they roll everyday.   It's pathetic.

        We are prepared for battle. We'll grind it out, district by district, race by race. We have a story to tell. David Axelrod

        by Ladyhawk on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:49:25 AM PDT

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        •  Bingo: Chuck Todd just asked about "impressions" (1+ / 0-)
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          He wanted Robert Gibbs to tell him President Obamas impressions about the Shirley Sherrod call.  I am surprised he didn't ask if the press could get the audio of the call and pictures of President Obama on the phone.  

          We are prepared for battle. We'll grind it out, district by district, race by race. We have a story to tell. David Axelrod

          by Ladyhawk on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:16:03 AM PDT

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  •  If Dan Rather.. (9+ / 0-)

    was a conservative, he's still have a job. IOKIYAR

    Hypocrites

    When the rest of the world decides to take care of the bully, I hope I'm not in Columbine.

    by georgeNOTw on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:38:13 AM PDT

    •  Indeed (1+ / 0-)
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      Just this morning I was reading the part in Russ Baker's Family of Secrets that chronicles the set-up and take down of Rather, who was the last member of the commercial media to offer any serious sort of challenge to the Bushes.

      The difference between the two situations, in which one journalist is fired for not properly vetting documents while another uses doctored tapes to get someone else fired while suffering no repercussions themselves is yet another prime example of conservative bias and hypocrisy in the corporate media that we should be shouting from the rooftops.

      At the very least, someone ought to write a Rather vs. Breitbart diary

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:56:00 AM PDT

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  •  Wait, I thought Breitbart edited the clip? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm not excusing him or anybody else, especially MM, but I thought it was AB.

    And thanks for the good diary. I see this thing all the time- A minor lie gets blown-up into "news" and after it blows over, wtf is anybody?

    "In England any man who wears a sword and wig is ashamed to be illiterate. I believe it is not so in France" Sam. Johnson, per Boswell

    by Mark B on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:38:40 AM PDT

  •  TM networks do their own spin and "editing" (1+ / 0-)
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    by, for example, taking quotes out of context or paraphrasing quotes inaccurately.  Perhaps some don't think that's as bad as completely re-editing a video, but they're just as guilty of misreporting stories of their own as they are in fanning the flames of doctored stories by FOX, et al.

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:39:31 AM PDT

  •  The basic problem with the MSM is money (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not saying the profit motive hasn't always been a part of journalism in this country -- lest we forget the dark early days of the original yellow journalism -- but in the early 20th century journalism itself was raised to a profession with its own professional schools, codes of ethics, and position of respect, which in many ways lead its practitioners to feel they had a calling above and beyond merely making a living.

    My suspicion is that given the hypercompetitive media environment these days, the failing economic fortunes of "old" media, and the supposed ascendancy of the new, there's a particular sensitivity among the MSM to try to follow the crowd with respect to what the 'hot' or hot button story is without regard to the professional scaffolding of Journalism with a capital J, motivated largely by fear of irrelevancy (and ultimately, bankruptcy or unemployment). Fear causes people to do stupid things.

    I am looking forward to the process of conversion of real journalism to a non-profit enterprise, which seems to be picking up steam, and letting the delivery mechanisms (web, print, whatever) be the for-profit vehicle, such as it is, since at this point it's clear that real journalism and all the weird editorial repositionings simply do not mix under current economic models.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:39:38 AM PDT

  •  ACORN got swiftboated (3+ / 0-)
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    They used to tell me I was building a dream, with peace and glory ahead, Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread? Yip Harburg

    by Captain Janeway on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:40:10 AM PDT

  •  What had Andrew been Dan Rather? (2+ / 0-)
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    The Right would have come unglued!

    Where is the outrage about FaX and Breitbart?

    •  Calls for investigations & resolutions condeming (1+ / 0-)
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      Fox would be swirling in the Congress!

    •  What's to say he's not? (0+ / 0-)

      Breitbart sees himself as a journalistic hero - a destroyer of the well-heeled and powerful in the media, politics, etc.

      Just because Breitbart hasn't been to Vietnam to report on stuff doesn't mean he isn't respected by many as a great journalist.

      The question is not about the right - the question is about us - do we have the discipline and political courage to uniformly call this out and to stop at nothing to put an end to it?

      Obama wrote about it in The Audacity of Hope - the reactive, angry response of the left that doesn't change things:

      Mainly, though, the Democratic Party has become the party of reaction.  In reaction to a war that is ill-conceived, we appear suspicious of all military action.  In reaction to those who claim the market can cure all ills, we resist efforts to use market principles to tackle pressing problems.  In reaction to religious overreach, we equate tolerance with secularism, and forfeit the moral language that would help infuse our politics with a larger meaning.  We lose elections and hope for the courts to foil Republican plans.  We lose the courts and wait for a White House scandal.

      And increasingly we feel the need to match the Republican right in stridency and hardball tactics.  The accepted wisdom that drives many advocacy groups and Democratic activists goes something like this: The Republican Party has been able to consistently win elections not by expanding its base but by vilifying Democrats, driving wedges into the electorate, and disciplining those who stray from the party line.  If the Democrats ever want to get back into power, then they will have to take up the same approach....

      Ultimately though, I believe that any attempt by Democrats to pursue a more sharply partisan and ideological strategy misapprehends the moment we're in.  I am convinced that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose.

      Words worth considering, 4 years after he wrote them and exploded onto the national stage.

      Full Disclosure: I am not Ben Leming. But I think he's pretty cool.

      by Benintn on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:57:41 AM PDT

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  •  If you take tihe time to check the list of (4+ / 0-)
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    Contributors to Breitbart's website BigGovernment.com (and the hilariously named BigJournalism) you would see all the usual suspects including Eric Kanor,  Bachmann, Congressman Joe Wilson, Joe Wurzelbacher and a host of others.

    This is a rightwing smear machine and they are enabled by FOX News.

    I don't think it right to include ALL the traditional media in a blanket condemnation. of how these racist smear campaigns are handled.  There is still some fairness left int eh media and the blogs are even worse in their vileness and viciousness pushing their agendas.  We areall guilty to some extent.

    There are NO innocents here inmo. All mass media tends to banket condemn.

  •  like Colbert said (6+ / 0-)

    you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration? You know, fiction!

    •  That (3+ / 0-)
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      You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration? You know, fiction!

       was during the Bush years. Now that we have a "D" back the White House again, "Standing up to the administration" will become fashionable in a way it has not been since the days when every reporter was obsessed with Bill Clinton's penis.

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:59:59 AM PDT

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  •  No, we desire instant gratification (0+ / 0-)

    Integrity and honor take too much time unless you're Big Ed, Olbermann, and Rachel. They are voices of wisdom in a cesspool of phonies.

  •  Need a full investigation (3+ / 0-)

    A full Congressional investigation into Breitbart's hoax and a commission that will investigate anything similar leveled against government employees in the future is the only way to show a true commitment to Ms Sherrod.

    •  No commission...DOJ maybe (0+ / 0-)

      point is this Administration has been around this
      block before; how many times do they have to get hit
      on the head before they hit back?  Who do they want
      at their back, us or the RW media?  Decision time guys.

  •  Lawerence Lewis you (1+ / 0-)
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    are asking a corporation to behave like real people. Just because the supreme court said they are people does not make it so.  Remember Judge B. Tanney court ruling on the Dred Scott case?

    'slaves nor free black have no right in which the white man is bound to respect...and not citizens of the U.S.

    a lot of whites still believe this today, that blacks are property that was taken away from them by the government.
    they will Never apologize or investigate, they believe fox and that Andrew BrianFart case closed.

    Acorn have no rights that they "are bound to respect'.

  •  AC360 had a nice rant (3+ / 0-)
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    Last night I was surfing the channels and there was AC calling out Brietbart on this Sherrod kerfuffle.  I usually eschew CNN, because they really suck on the journo front, but I was pleasantly surprised by this.  Kudos--back to totally avoiding CNN!

    Welcome to the headquarters of pulling facts out of my hindquarters

    by Mike E on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:44:31 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget Van Jones and Jeremiah Wright. (4+ / 0-)

    I think they're also worthy of rehabilitation.

    The destruction of these reputations is deeply troubling.

    What's sad, in my opinion, is how folks are rewarded (politically, socially, economically) for this kind of destruction and devastation.

    It's like the sociopaths at Goldman and Morgan who knew they were selling bad financial instruments but did so anyway, putting personal profit ahead of customer service even while they were claiming to be serving their customers' best interests.

    Caveat emptor indeed.

    Full Disclosure: I am not Ben Leming. But I think he's pretty cool.

    by Benintn on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:44:45 AM PDT

  •  As a group, no. And as lazy and vacuous as (2+ / 0-)
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    the front personalities are, the producers and researchers behind them are lazier and more vacuous if that is possible.

    Now is the time to register everyone you know will vote Democratic! Over 18 and breathing - get them registered now and to the polls in November!

    by Blogvirgin on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:45:21 AM PDT

  •  No credibility and won't any get off their (1+ / 0-)
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    lazy asses and do a journalist's job? Shame on them all.

  •  I have to say... (2+ / 0-)
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    Kudos to CNN to at least call Sherrod and ask her about this.  However, the point remains.  When is the traditional media going to do some self examination and determine that maybe some sources have more credibility than others?  And regardless of the source, shouldn't everything be independently verified?  The answer is probably never because it is not good for the bottom line to wait for source verification while another network is scooping you.  

    Irony: Apparently, the teabaggers would have apologized to the East India Trading Company for dumping their tea into the Boston Harbor.

    by RichM on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:49:16 AM PDT

  •  The answer is clearly no...the whitewash has (2+ / 0-)
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    begun...

       Hear that giant sucking sound? It’s Howard Kurtz, perpetual media establishment shill, giving it the two-lipped inverted blow to FOX News this morning, probably in some (futile) hope of tempering the news network’s ongoing glee over  Tucker Carlson’s drip-drip leaks of the now infamous naughty Journolist, a private listserv for mainstream Washington reporters, founded by Ezra Klein, who now writes for Kurtz’ employer, The Washington Post.

       In his always insipid media column for the Post’s Style section, Kurtz attempts this morning to "ferret out FOX’s role" in the forced resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod on Monday. Maybe he shouldn’t have bothered — his paper did it’s best to handhold the right wing machinery that produced this "scandal" in Wednesday’s paper, when it waited until the jump to even mention that Sherrod was the victim of  shoddy journalism, a conveniently edited video and a scaredy-cat White House that jumped to premature conclusions (and this was more than 12 hours  — a lifetime in the news cycle — after it was already clear she had been smeared. That should have been the lede).

       But back to Kurtz. His navel gazing has always been mildly annoying but today his whitewashing is just plain shameful and negligent. He writes, "for all of the chatter... that (Sherrod) was done in by FOX News, the network didn’t touch the story until her forced resignation was made public Monday evening." What he fails to tell you is  FOXNews.com was already helping the video go viral, with an accompanying news story, and no comment from Sherrod or the USDA.

    I really think Kurtz's horrific behavior is absolutely shameful.  This deserves front page attention.

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:55:31 AM PDT

  •  Honor and integrity? LMFAO. (2+ / 0-)
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    The media, politicians, corporations, and any number of other groups have shown that honor and integrity are pointless commodities in this country these days.  After all, you can't put a dollar value on honor, so what good is it (to them)?

    America's military went to war. America went to the mall.

    by talismanlangley on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:55:54 AM PDT

  •  Slander / defamation (0+ / 0-)

    Norman Goldman was saying on his radio program that the slander suit goes easier for citizens who aren't "personalities." So she could sue on the basis that her reputation was harmed. He said she didn't have to prove lost wages or whatever. Acorn I think could sue because they were driven out of business.

    Anyone know if Breitbart broke any criminal laws?

    CLEAR Act would sell carbon shares to fuel producers and would return 75 percent of the resulting revenue in checks to every American.

    by mrobinson on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:57:51 AM PDT

  •  Integrity and Honor went missing from (1+ / 0-)
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    tradiational media decades ago!
    Any recovery in sight?
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:59:02 AM PDT

  •  Yesterday, I asked why, in the press briefing, (1+ / 0-)
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    Gibbs was so careful to avoid mentioning Breitbart and Fox News -- why he would not say that this whole thing was concocted by the RW for political purposes.  Someone posted back to say that Gibbs could not say anything that could be construed as political.  What about the President?  Is ANYONE going to take them to task for their despicable actions?

  •  Brietbart said he has had this video since March. (5+ / 0-)
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    This was obviously a well thought out and timely execution of what is known as the right wing propoganda machine.  

    They did this right when the Financail Reform Bill was going through and signed into law so they could take away from the media coverage of something good that the current Administration is doing.  This is election season folks, that's how these people play the game.  I just wonder what else they have in their coffers.

  •  Right wing controls the media (3+ / 0-)
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    It's as simple as that.  They know this is propaganda and it meets their purposes.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:02:53 AM PDT

  •  The corporate media is the real problem here (2+ / 0-)
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      The corporate controlled media is the real problem here, First ACORN was smeared by a heavily edited video hatchet job, where an ACORN official was gathering info to turn over to the police, witch he did, but the media didn't share that fact with us.  Now we have Shirley's treatment by the hands of opinion news organizations who do not practice professional journalism, and should not be labeled as "news", because what they do is actually opinion's about events ,masquerading as real news  or in this case, outright, race baiting lies!  My latest left of center political cartoon is about the editing smear that the right wing opinions about news that is masquerading as real news is up on my site now http:www.whatnowtoons.com  The truth about this right wing hatchet job needs to be out there.

  •  according to your link (0+ / 0-)

    Breitbart says he didn't edit the clip and that it was sent to him already edited.

  •  Honor and Integrity, with infotainment media?? (1+ / 0-)
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    Not on your life. These are all propaganda outlets, selling opinions and infotainment, not facts or journalism.

    •  Integrity and honor are not in style. (0+ / 0-)

      Anyone with integrity and honor is easily labeled a fool or an easy target.  As for Fox, they have numerous stations on comcast and they get away with horrible programming and propaganda that passes as news.  Ruppert Murdoch may have billions of dollars, but class is something you can't buy, and unfortunately, Murdoch wasn't born with any.  Television continues to deteriorate.  We really miss Bill Moyers.  We just never watch Fox so-called "news."

  •  There is no news anymore (2+ / 0-)
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    There are no more news organizations anymore. They sold out a long time ago.  Today's news organizations are all about money.  They will broadcast whatever will get them viewers, which enables them to sell advertising space.  If a particular days "news" is entertaining enough to get viewers to tune in, them they run an honest story (crime, sports, oil well, etc.).  If that days news isn't worthy of viewership, they manufacture news, exaggerate or outright lie.  They all do it.  

    So the diarist here wonders why the MSM doesn't call out Fox news?  Really?  You really think they want to cast that first stone?

    The days of getting unfiltered, proper journalism is OVER.  It didn't pay well enough, so now we watch to see what day Lohan is going to jail, or how Van Der Sloot has killed next.  Sad, but it isn't going to suddenly get better.

     

  •  And what about Helen Thomas's seat? (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder what Ed Henry has to say about FOX's role in this mess and if he still thinks FOX deserves to be in the front row at White House briefings.

  •  is this a trick question? (0+ / 0-)

    Do the tradmed have integrity and honor?

    Of course not!

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    --Tom Harkin

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:23:56 AM PDT

  •  "Blindly" promote (0+ / 0-)

    Many of the instances of promoting lies are not promoting them blindly.  I remember full well the complicity of CNN in the run up to the War in Iraq.  I would watch their sister station, the German NTV, and see how different the slant and the stories were to those on CNN, which was completely misleading.  Yet they certainly had the same information.  

    www.tapestryofbronze.com and www.haikudiary.com

    by chloris creator on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:35:28 AM PDT

  •  If someone posted a diary here like Breitbart's (1+ / 0-)
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    (with a leftish opinion, that is), Kossacks would be all over it immediately, demanding sources and links, etc.  If none were promptly forthcoming, the diary would be trashed mercilessly.  The MSM could learn a lot here about how real journalism works.  

    "It's a sight to see." Pres. Obama - Dec 8/09 and Jan 16/10

    by Observerinvancouver on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:36:06 AM PDT

  •  And there are also Republican politicians... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who have been aiding and abetting Breitbart's irresponsible yellow journalism, and I'm saddened to say that two of those folks are "Fair Hair" Texas Gov. Rick Perry and "Taliban" Pete Sessions (TX-32). Here's the link to my post on this that also has a link to Breitbart's web site.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:44:40 AM PDT

  •  I've challenged the NY Times on its Facebook wall (1+ / 0-)
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    ... here.

    Disgraceful: New York Times editorial board dares not speak the name of the con artist "Andrew Breitbart"

    The New York Times today excoriated USDA Secretary Tom Wilsack and the Obama administration for acting on the basis of a transcript of a slanderous video supplied to Fox News by serial con man Andrew Breitbart, but never once mention that con artist's name.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that the Times fell for the same con artist's slanderous videos framing ACORN for non-existent crimes, which ultimately resulted in ACORN being unjustifiably defunded and destroyed, cutting off millions of poor people across the country from much needed assistance of all kinds. Unfortunately, it took more than 48 hours for ACORN to be exonerated; it has since been shown that only James O'Keefe, Andrew Breitbart's partner in fraud, committed any crimes, by illegally recording ACORN staffers in "two-party" states.

    But then, if the Times were to mention Andrew Breitbart's name, the Times might finally have to apologize for its role in ACORN's unjust destruction, when it uncritically parroted Breitbart and O'Keefe's unfounded claims instead of investigating whether or not there was any substance to them. Plank, meet eye.

    But we can't have the Times apologizing for its own egregious errors, now, can we?

    http://mediamatters.org/...

  •  Mr. Lewis (0+ / 0-)

    You are I'm afraid spitting into a gale force wind. There no longer is any professional journalism in this country or any real outlets other than the corporate media.(the tiny liberal talk is both inconsequential and in its own right is often just about as bad as right wing talk) There is zero concern about ethics morals, or actual good journalism. What there is is an abiding consistent concern for is the bottom line and how much money they're making. Stories are run, placed where they're placed, written with a particular slant always with the goal of selling more papers or capturing more watchers. The media in this country is simply a corporate pr machine promoting their interests and ignoring everything else. When's the last time anybody read a story about wage levels over the last 15 years or so, but somehow every day we read about Wall Street and how the stock market did. Can anyone imagine reading every day a report on hours worked, median income, cost of food, etc.? Not even remotely likely.

  •  Thank You (0+ / 0-)

    I do sooo appreciate this diarist for raising this issue because it is absolutely right on the mark.  The traditional media have done everything in their power not to discuss their culpability in these matters. But the fact is they are just as much to blame if not more.

    They are not only to blame in these matters,but look at what's happening in Florida along the coast.
    The beaches are clean, but they say tourist are not coming. Why, because the media has cried wolf before they needed to.  They spout negative things constantly about the economy, so even if there's any good news out there, it's never told.  And people wonder why the news is losing credibility and viewership. duh.  

  •  Short answer: uh, no (0+ / 0-)

    "..The political class cannot solve the problems it created. " - Jay Rosen

    by New Rule on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:58:58 AM PDT

  •  Short answer: No they don't. (1+ / 0-)
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    Shorter answer: No.

    Witty phrase goes here.

    by Hayate Yagami on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:08:34 PM PDT

  •  AC 360 last night (0+ / 0-)

    Did a great big oooh isn't CNN great and here is Shirley Sherrod who we saved, now lets continue our coverage of the Black Panther smear.

    Fox News is America's Radio Rwanda

    by Adept2u on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24:07 PM PDT

  •  It's time to hold reporters accountable (0+ / 0-)

    It's time to hold those who purport to report news accountable for what they pick up and run with. Give us a way to separate real professionals from the shaft (intentional misspelling) – they get a license, they post the license, they work under a code of ethics, and if they do not perform due diligence before running with a story they lose that license.  Organizations will not be required to hire licensed reporters but those who want to be taken as serious news outlets will readily do so in order to differentiate themselves from political entertainment shows.  They garner the accountability that comes with the licensed professional.  They can assist their employees in becomeing licensed.  The audience will then have a way to sort out important news stories that we can believe from licensed professionals and be entertained by those who aren't!  It does not matter: print, tv, radio, internet – anyone who wants to be considered a professional and discuss daily events with credibility will get a license and manage themselves.  They will not report untruths and stories released by questionable foundations if it means losing their license and not being taken seriously.  

  •  Traditional Media? Honor? Integrity? Uh, no. (0+ / 0-)

    The traditional media, now owned by and in the pockets of huge corporations are only in the business of making money, irregardless of how it's done. Even if it means destroying the fabric of our democracy. I'm fairly confident it was their goal to assist in the take down of ACORN all along and that's why you'll never see them investigate the matter any further. They've already gotten what they wanted.

    --Software Test Engineer w/25yrs experience seeking a position in Central Kentucky--

    by djMikulec on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:43:52 PM PDT

  •  Traditional Media? Honor? Integrity? Uh, no. (0+ / 0-)

    The traditional media, now owned by and in the pockets of huge corporations are only in the business of making money, irregardless of how it's done. Even if it means destroying the fabric of our democracy. I'm fairly confident it was their goal to assist in the take down of ACORN all along and that's why you'll never see them investigate the matter any further. They've already gotten what they wanted.

    --Software Test Engineer w/25yrs experience seeking a position in Central Kentucky--

    by djMikulec on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:43:52 PM PDT

  •  Without corporate media, (0+ / 0-)

    Fox and Breitbart would be the sound of one hand clapping.  
    How's the fascist project to advance in that case?

    Synergy.  Hegemony.  Whatever you want to call it, this is how it works:

    "Conservatives" dream the dream.  No matter how dumbass, transparent, and reviled, they dream it.

    Libruls (parties and institutions) proceed to make it reality, bringing all their talents of obfuscation, misdirection and apologetics to bear.

    This is how work gets done.

    Then we call it politics.

    Please don't feed the security state.

  •  I have tried to make it a point to (0+ / 0-)

    review all sides of an issue by listening to all sides of media. ABC, NBC, FOX, HUFFINGTON, RUSH, CNN, MSNBC are doing their best to make Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, and Walter Cronkite look like Gods. These icons seem to be the only ones who looked at news report sources more than once before going on the airwaves to declare something has teeth. Getting something right is not that hard. It takes work, dedication, insight, doubt, self advocacy denial, objectivity, and a great deal of good sense and honesty. Does anyone in any news slot fit the criteria to be a true unbiased Journalist?

  •  Just remember this when they ask for bailouts (0+ / 0-)

    I can't think of an institution that more needs to reap what it has sowed, and give way to the new media.

    "Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." -- JFK

    by Tryptophan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:08:58 PM PDT

  •  One Good Thing (0+ / 0-)

    There may be one good thing about this whole mess. Brietbart will not be able to so easily do his smear tactics in the future. His credibility if he ever had any is gone.  It should make us all more suspicious of any others that may be out there like him, posting things that are unsubstantiated, even if the media is not.

  •  Media isn't what it used to be... (0+ / 0-)

    Once upon a time, media investigated. That was when news was something they did for prestige, not to make a buck. Now, they don't want to spend the money needed to get it right by investigating it themselves, and basically just trumpet each other's stuff. If one source is spewing nonsensical garbage, eventually they're all reporting it.

    Beyond that is the fact that, as a profit center, "news" is all about telling people what they want to hear, such that when Rachel Maddow ripped Bill O'Reilly for the out and out lying in the Sherrod story, his response was "well, we're kicking your butts in the ratings"... amounting to "who cares if it's right, as long as people like it". Fox and others shamelessly play to people's prejudices, because it's what they'll watch.

    Upshot is, nobody's going to investigate OR report any of this. People don't want truth from their media. They want their comfortable idiocy reinforced.

    My solution? Let's get our "socialist" president to earn the moniker by pumping up funding for independent, excellent BBC or Canadian style broadcasting, because news media is yet another industry where the moronic gospel faith in markets of the Reagan/Bush era has failed to serve the American people. Enough of corporate giants manipulating what we hear for profit!

  •  But Breitbart isn't White House Press Corps!!!! (0+ / 0-)

    So it doesn't matter that he doesn't have any honor or integrity.

    ThAnswr "If the administration can't fight for it's friends, don't expect us to fight their enemies."

    by Uberbah on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 02:09:32 PM PDT

  •  Rather than "traditional media", isn't "corporate (0+ / 0-)

    media" more accurate?

    Hey, Laurence, it seems to me that the corps of media hounds that were out front on this and other Faux News "scandals" are more accurately described as "corporate" than "traditional."

    I didn't see The Atlantic out there flogging the Breitbart narrative, for instance, even though they are part of that "traditional" mix of Washington media.

    I understand that to call 'em "traditional" highlights us out here in the bloggosphere and on the Internet, which is kinda ego-fluffing non-conformist-y.  But, I prefer calling the interests served by the Networks and Big Media "corporate" -- kind of an educational term along with a denotation -- and think that's politically more accurate, as well as simply, well, more accurate when describing their place in the media universe.

    What say?

  •  Look at themselves?? (0+ / 0-)

    Never.

    During the Harold-Washington administration in Chicago ('93-97) there was a scandal dealing with trying to get a contract for debt-collection on parking tickets.
    One early part of the scandal was a judge who actually had control of the money at one point. He refused to pass the money on to the city because -- he claimed -- the bank that would be holding it had a sweet-heart deal. The bank published its contract; the bank the judge was holding the money in didn't. Still the papers ran with this story.
    Later, it was revealed that the point man for one of the 2 companies vying for the contract was an FBI mole. He passedout much moola, butthe otehr company kept the contract.
    The judge went to jail for taking brimes from that guy. The press never said boo about printing his complaints -- they did criticize Mayor Washington for having listened to the guy who was the official representative of one of two comanies vying for a million-doallar contract.

    Corporations are people; money is speech.
    1984 - George Orwell

    by Frank Palmer on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 02:40:41 PM PDT

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