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At the most general level, however, ethnic cleansing can be understood as the expulsion of an "undesirable" population from a given territory due to religious or ethnic discrimination, political, strategic or ideological considerations, or a combination of these.

A Brief History of Ethnic Cleansing, by Andrew Bell-Fialkoff, author of  Ethnic Cleansing, from a Summer 1993 Foreign Affairs article.  

    Many domestic apologists for the Israeli system of "hafrada," or separation/apartheid, point to the existence of "Israeli Arabs" as proof that the Jewish state cannot be compared to the South African policy of racial and ethnic segregation.  There is a kernel of truth to this criticism of the apartheid label; after all, approximately twenty percent of the Jewish state's population is ethnically Arab, including Muslims, Christians and Druze citizens.  In theory, they are afforded "all" of the rights granted to Israel's Jewish citizens.  In practice, they are routinely denied the full benefits of citizenship, and often targeted by the state for special abuse.  As was the case today, when Al Jazeera and other outlets reported that 300 Israeli Bedouins witnessed their homes destroyed by Israeli police, pursuant to a court order that is over ten years old:

Police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld confirmed the early-morning operation, saying the homes had been "illegally built" and were destroyed in line with a court ruling issued 11 years ago which was never implemented.

"Around 30 shacks were removed and several hundred people were taken back to the Rahat area where they originally came from," he said, referring to a nearby Bedouin town in Israel's arid south.

He said three people had been detained for questioning but were later released without charge.

The ethnic cleansing and mistreatment of Israel's indigenous Arab population has been documented by international human rights organizations for years.  In 2008, Human Rights Watch reported that the Bedouin were victims of "systemic bias" at the hands of the State of Israel:

Israel should declare an immediate moratorium on demolitions of Bedouin homes and create an independent commission to investigate pervasive land and housing discrimination against its Bedouin citizens in the Negev, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

The 130-page report, "Off the Map: Land and Housing Rights Violations in Israel’s Unrecognized Bedouin Villages," documents how discriminatory Israeli laws and practices force tens of thousands of Bedouin in the south of Israel to live in "unrecognized" shanty towns where they are under constant threat of seeing their homes demolished and their communities torn apart.

Human Rights Watch based its findings on interviews conducted in 13 unrecognized Bedouin villages and three government-planned Bedouin townships in the Negev. It interviewed dozens of Bedouin residents, as well as activists, community organizations, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), academics, and lawyers in Israel. Human Rights Watch submitted a detailed letter to the government in 2007 with preliminary findings and questions, and incorporated relevant information from the Ministry of Justice’s response into the report.

Israel: End Systemic Bias Against Bedouin

And let there be no doubt, this ethnic purification is being done at the behest of the highest levels of Israel's government:

Although the international spotlight has long been directed at the harsh measures being taken against Palestinians in the occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza, few observers outside Israel have noticed the threatening mood developing in the Negev, as the government plans a potentially violent assault on the rights of its Bedouin citizens.

In late June, some 23 members of the Abu Elkian tribe, mostly women and children who were not at work, were injured when paramilitary police forces entered the village to demolish seven homes, including that of Raed's 90-year-old grandfather, Moussa Abu Elkian. On the same day, another member of the tribe, a 24-year-old teacher, Youssef Abu Elkian, was mistakenly shot in the shoulder by the army in a separate incident.

The harsh measures being taken against the Abu Elkian tribe are being repeated across the Negev against other Bedouin villagers, as the state begins implementing a scheme, known as the Negev Development Plan, personally devised by the prime minister, Ariel Sharon.

The "ambitious" development plan is designed to "make the desert bloom," at the expense of its indigenous inhabitants, none of whom are mentioned in the glowing Jewish National Fund press releases:

Taking in the crowd of young families, children, members of the Regional Council, and representatives of JNF, he said: "Shimon Peres, now president of Israel, was the man behind the modern vision of developing the Negev Desert. His passion and foresight are what brought you all here today. I am honored to be part of the team that will take Givot Bar and the Negev to the next level."

Development of the Negev Desert -- 60% of Israel's landmass but home to only 8% of its population -- is vital for the future of the country. Blueprint Negev, JNF's $600 million campaign to develop the region, will lead to a 70% growth in the Negev's population, close the existing economic and educational gaps, reduce the unemployment rate, enhance quality of life for all residents, and build a stronger Israel.

The plan, which includes a government investment of over $4 billion, non-profit investment of $600 million, and private investment of $2.5 billion, includes infrastructure; housing loans and incentives; education; employment opportunities; tourism; partnerships; bolstering existing towns; the military; building new communities; creating opportunities for the Bedouin; safeguarding the environment; and water.

Jewish National Fund, Announcing New Minister of Negev Development

It is important to remember that from 1949 until 1966, the Bedouin lived under a military occupation and were considered "guests" of Israel, not full citizens.  During that time, Israel's government units passed several laws enabling Jewish confiscation of Arab lands.  Before the state graced these Arabs with citizenship, it devised a scheme that would prove to be a major obstacle to their continued possession, use and enjoyment of their territory:

The 1965 Planning and Building Law, examined in greater detail in Chapter V, created a hierarchy of planning bodies that drew up master plans at the national, district and local level. The first Israeli master plans in the late 1960s identified existing and projected built-up areas in every part of Israel. The authorities did not acknowledge
the existence of the populated Bedouin villages on the original master plans and zoned their land as agricultural. As a result, although six villages have subsequently been recognized (see below), most of these still do not have a detailed outline plan and thus cannot receive permits to build.

In addition, none of the still unrecognized villages (39 in total) can apply for and receive permits to build, and all the structures, even those existing before passage of the 1965 law, the state deems illegal. Another section of the 1965 Law holds that unlicensed buildings cannot be connected to utilities such as water, electricity, or telephone networks, thus leaving all the homes in the unrecognized villages without these basic state services. Finally, the law also allowed for the confiscation of land for public purposes, which led to another round of state confiscation of Bedouin land in the Negev, including the land that the state used to build the first government-planned Bedouin townships as well as land later used to build Jewish towns and other state projects.

Off The Map: Land and Housing Rights Violations in Israel’s Unrecognized Bedouin Villages

    It is important to remember that in Israel, legal remedies for Arabs are paper thin, even after Justice Aharon Barak's 1995 "constitutional revolution."  In practice, this has not resulted in the invalidation of Knesset legislation, but has given the Israeli Supreme Court the powerful tool of judicial review, including the construction of statutes and ordinances enacted by various government bodies.  In any event, the guarantee of due process afforded to Arabs by the Court has largely proven to be a fig leaf, as the Knesset routinely votes to extend the "Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law," which restricts family unification for "Israeli Arabs" or, as they are known outside of the Jewish state, Palestinians.  Even if Israel's Supreme Court acted as a true guardian of individual rights and stood up to the emergent security and apartheid state, the Basic Law can be amended and modified by a legislative majority, as long as the Knesset follows some elementary formalities.

There is another, excellent diary up today on this subject.  It is worth pointing out that the development projects in the Negev receive substantial support from American private donors.  Even American attorneys are encouraged to support the JNF's "development" work, and the Fund makes it easy to see just how far your donations will go, and what your income and tax benefits will be.

What makes this development striking is that it puts the true face of Israel, including its discriminatory practices and policies behind the so-called "Green Line" representing the 1949 armistice lines established between Israel and its neighbors, on public trial.  If by "Jewish democracy" the State of Israel's defenders here in the United States mean "democracy for Jews," that is what the emerging state of Israel is becoming: a full fledged ethnocracy with which the US, a nation that supposedly rejects ethnocentrism and racism as inherently evil, enjoys a "special relationship."  

"The only democracy," indeed.

Originally posted to Alec82 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 02:37 PM PDT.

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  •  Thank you (23+ / 0-)

    Thank you for calling this out very precisely for what it is, and for documenting the reasons for using the term "Ethnic Cleansing."  

    "How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly." - Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises.

    by weasel on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 03:05:04 PM PDT

  •  Shimon Peres, Nobel Peace Prize Winner. (5+ / 0-)

    Of course, he pales next to winners like Arafat and Kissinger.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 03:07:11 PM PDT

  •  Great job (15+ / 0-)

    It's way past bedtime in my location, so no substantive comment.
    Just wanted to leave a word of appreciation for the effort you did on this important subject.

  •  God, what crap (5+ / 2-)

    Typical, hyperventilating, hyperbolic anti-Israel screed I see way too often on this site (which was created, according to Markos, to elect Democrats, and not to become a fount for ISM, A.N.S.W.E.R and their ilk).

    Have you ever met Israeli Arabs, or been to their towns and villages? I have, many times, and damn you for labeling the Israeli Arab issue "ethnic cleansing" (a term coined during MASS MURDER in Kosovo and Bosnia). It is NOT that at all, and you know it! The situation is complicated; Israeli Arabs have legitimate complaints, but though all I met have mixed feelings about being Israeli, they understand they have it better in Israel than they might in most other Arab countries. They told me this off the record.

    And lest you brand me a right-wing Likud-loving tool, I am a true blue Obama Dem. and J Street supporter. You, however, are an over-the-top Israel basher of the worst kind.

    Flame on, kids.

    •  Do you have anything... (18+ / 0-)

      ...responsive to the diary's points? Including the definition of ethnic cleansing and what's happening in the Negev?

      They told me this off the record.

      Well I am not sure what to make of this, but it would appear that they have legitimate complaints, one of them being ethnic cleansing.  

      and not to become a fount for ISM, A.N.S.W.E.R and their ilk

      I am not a member of those organizations, but I have worked to elect Democrats in the past and I support an evenhanded policy in the Middle East.  You can file this under "better Democrats."  Note that we do not have party registration in my state, but in any event I typically vote for and support Democrats.

      And lest you brand me a right-wing Likud-loving tool, I am a true blue Obama Dem. and J Street supporter. You, however, are an over-the-top Israel basher of the worst kind.

      Oh I do not doubt that "I Hate Republicans" is a J Street Supporter.  Rather the point, I'm afraid.


      "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

      by Alec82 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 03:43:02 PM PDT

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    •  So true. (3+ / 0-)
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      These people make it seem like it was solely the Israelis and Jews who caused Palestinians to leave in the first place.  That it is only Israel that causes Palestinian suffering.  They are scary, not only in their misbegotten rage, but because, knowingly or not, in this need to castigate Israel, they blindly ignore the far more egregious violations of human rights and dignity perpetrated by Israel's adversaries, who they indirectly support, not a one being even close to a free state.

      It's way too complicated for the black and white crowd to fathom, I suppose.  Too hard to approach an issue with some balance.  If Israel does ANYTHING, it is proof positive that it is the worst state ever.

      Yeah, perhaps the government is violating some rights here.  No state has a clean record.  But have they exercised eminent domain legally?  Is there just compensation?  Does a state have the right to develop?  Or is it to be held hostage by private landowners?  These matters are not addressed by the diary.  Because it's Israel, and it therefore not even entitled, according to this group, to defend itself.

      Yes, they claim to believe it has the rights of other states, especially those in armed conflict, but all it is lip service.  The comments show the underlying motivations of what is actually felt.

      Because, people who really care would not neglect far worse violations and singularly concentrate on one place, always.  They would be welcomed at the Human Rights Council, where Israel has received far more special attention than everywhere else combined.

      Talk about ethnic cleansing, look at Iraq, going from 135,000 Jews to under 10, under a series of laws and state practices specifically developed to persecute Jews.

      Or, from July 22:

      An international coalition of 38 human rights groups called on the United Nations today to investigate allegations that the Chinese government committed gross human rights violations by forcibly evicting 18,000 families to make way for the current 2010 World Expo in Shanghai, China. The giant exposition, whose motto is “Better Cities, Better Life,” runs until October.

      Any comment or diaries here?  They care SO VERY MUCH about the downtrodden.  I call it lip service because it is selective.  Yet when called on their tactics, they label people idiots, apologists, liars and bigots, which only shows how they treat others.  Agree or else!  

      Oh well.  Another day at Daily Kos.

      When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

      by citizen53 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 05:17:39 PM PDT

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      •  Oh -look over there at China! (7+ / 0-)

        typical Israel defender's knee jerk response.

      •  history, learn some (11+ / 0-)

        These people make it seem like it was solely the Israelis and Jews who caused Palestinians to leave in the first place

        Um, Israel did not exist until 1948, when natives of Arab descent were forcibly evicted from their land to make room for the new, Jewish settlers that would later become Israelis.  So, yes, it was solely those who would become Israelis who forced the people now called Palestinians to leave.  Learn a little history.

        Talk about ethnic cleansing, look at Iraq, going from 135,000 Jews to under 10, under a series of laws and state practices specifically developed to persecute Jews.

        There has been a good deal of discussion about ethnic cleansing in Iraq on this site.  Learn some history.

        they blindly ignore the far more egregious violations of human rights and dignity perpetrated by Israel's adversaries, who they indirectly support, not a one being even close to a free state.

        The difference is that the US is not financing those human rights abuses as it is in Israel, ibid for your complaint about Chinese abuses.  Learn some history.

        •  I know when Israel was created... (1+ / 0-)
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          and more.  Need no lectures on history from someone that assumes they know more, but shows they know so little.

          For example, Arabs started leaving in 1947, from multiple causes, not to make room for Jewish settlers either, but in anticipation of armed conflict.  Your remark is absurd!

          Also, show me some links which show a good deal of discussion about what occurred in Iraq.  I ONLY raised it to distinguish a REAL ethnic cleansing, not the paltry example set forth by the diarist.  As such, the remark you made is completely superfluous to my comment anyway.

          The US, for your information, funded over $250 million to the UNRWA, and much of that goes to Hamas.  What should be done about those abuses?

          But why bother to relate anything to you.  You seem to have declared yourself a monopoly on history around here.  Just wish you had some accurate facts.      

          When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

          by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 01:12:38 AM PDT

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          •  a few seconds (3+ / 0-)
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            of using DKos search function gave this:
            I don't really feel like giving you a complete run-down but if you feel like seeing how many diaries mention Iraq and ethnic cleansing, feel free to educate yourself.

            For example, Arabs started leaving in 1947, from multiple causes, not to make room for Jewish settlers either, but in anticipation of armed conflict.  Your remark is absurd!

            gotta link for that?  A little googling does not show this to be the case, nor to so obviously be the case that it is absurd. In fact the Google info shows many Arabs resisting the installation of Jewish settlers.  Which gets back to the actual point, that Jewish settlers were moving in to a land  from elsewhere and dispossessing natives Arabs.
            Your dismissal of the ethnic cleansing pointed out by the diarist as "paltry" is as insulting as it is insipid.  Part of the point of mentioning the ethnic cleansing was to illuminate the hypocrisy of the state of Israel claiming to be the "only democracy" in the Middle East while targeting non-Jews for unequal treatment, while at the same time taking that land to be appropriated strictly for Jewish use.
            Yes, the US is a participant of the UN and refugee services is a part of that mission. Once again, do you have a credible link to information that ties the US money to Hamas? By the way, the US gives over $5 Billion every year to Israel for military "aid" and other monies for guaranteed loans etc.  Equating $250 million, of which only "some" of which might go to Hamas is a pathetic comparison to the massive sustenance that the US gives to Israel's military apparatus.

            Just wish you had some accurate facts.  

            Ditto, only I would say "facts" as facts are inherently accurate.  Otherwise they are opinions or conspiracy theories.

            •  Your link left me scratching my head... (0+ / 0-)

              because the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Iraq started in around 1950.  You can easily find the information.

              You can also find multiple sources for the departure of Arabs from the area starting in 1947.  You seem to know it all.

              Of course some Arabs did resist, in the form of the irregular militias of the ALA under the AHC.  It was largely NOT the locals who resisted.  In fact, in many locales, women and children were evacuated before ANY fighting began.  In others, the highest local leaders fled, under pressure from the Mufti.  

              I see no real facts from you, just statements that fly in the face of history.    

              In comparison to what occurred in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and other Arab states, where almost 1 million Jews were cleansed, what occurs today is paltry.  More Jews were displaced than Arabs.  Go figure!

              Much of the matter here is that so much time has been spent learning the Arab version that too many do not know the details of what occurred from any other side.  Read Karch's 2010 "Palestine Betrayed."  It documents what happened in the very period I mentioned and is replete with information from both the Arab, Jewish and British perspectives.

              Unless it's only opinions or conspiracies unless it agrees with you.    

              When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

              by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 09:43:37 AM PDT

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              •  the original discussion (2+ / 0-)
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                was about ethnic cleansing, not JUST Jewish ethnic cleansing, I provided a link to a fact (that there have been discussions about E.C. in Iraq) and you claim that you can't figure that out (scratching head).  You also go the bait-n-switch tactic with that one, changing the subject to something somewhat similar but not the same.  I am not disputing the fact that Arabs left the area, that is part of the definition of ethnic cleansing actually.  I asked you for some links to support your statements and you refused.  Then you go to an ad hominem attack (know it all). And again you go with irrelevant comparisons to other prior ethnic cleansing events, which undoubtedly took place, and which no one was contesting.  You simply avoid the topic of the discussion.
                to quote:

                I see no real facts from you

                you are a master projectionist.

                •  Your link was to a diary... (0+ / 0-)

                  that discussed Iraq in this decade, not during the period in question.  One might call that a bait and switch.

                  Look, YOU were the one that made a snide remark about history to me.  What do you expect, a kiss?  You insulted my intelligence, and I pointed out just how wrong you were on the facts.  You stated that Arab displacement started in 1948, AFTER the creation of Israel, did you not?  And then you lectured me to study history.

                  I told you to look at Karsh's book.  It contains all the information to support what I said.  There are multiple sources for the information as well.  

                  I suppose it only matters if the ethnic cleansing is in your eyes.  I don't believe that Israel has engaged in ethnic cleansing in this instance.  I used the Jewish example in Iraq to make a distinction as to what REAL ethnic cleansing is.  Is it really so hard to figure it out?

                  And, once more, you end with disparagement, just as YOU started.

                  When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

                  by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 12:19:37 PM PDT

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                  •  * (3+ / 0-)
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                    Are you saying that Ben-Gurion was personally responsible for a deliberate and systematic policy of mass expulsion?

                    From April 1948, Ben-Gurion is projecting a message of transfer. There is no explicit order of his in writing, there is no orderly comprehensive policy, but there is an atmosphere of [population] transfer. The transfer idea is in the air. The entire leadership understands that this is the idea. The officer corps understands what is required of them. Under Ben-Gurion, a consensus of transfer is created.

                    Ben-Gurion was a "transferist"?

                    Of course. Ben-Gurion was a transferist. He understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst. There would be no such state. It would not be able to exist.
                    I don’t hear you condemning him.

                    Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here.

                    Survival of the Fittest? An Interview With Benny Morris, Logos Winter 2004


                    You do not condemn them morally?


                    They perpetrated ethnic cleansing.

                    There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide—the annihilation of your people—I prefer ethnic cleansing.

                    And that was the situation in 1948?

                    That was the situation. That is what Zionism faced. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on.

                    "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

                    by Alec82 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 12:28:53 PM PDT

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                    •  Karsh had more access than Morris... (0+ / 0-)

                      to source documents and also shows how Ben Gurion and others in many instances made efforts to convince Arabs to stay, and stressed the importance of having cooperation between the people in a climate of peaceful relations.  But who said NO?  Arab villages that stayed clear of the hostilities, and there were many, were not targeted.  Why pretend that the ALA was not wreaking havoc against the local population, Jewish and Arab?

                      Plan D existed, no doubt, but the extent it was implemented, if at all, is questionable.  Arabs left in such great numbers by themselves that it made the matter essentially moot.  Haifa is a perfect example.  Even with indirect British assistance, rather than resist, the population left of their own volition, or were coerced by the AHC.

                      When there was resistance, and after warning, the Jews engaged in military action.  Or were they just to let the ALA and regular Arab forces just attack with impunity?

                      To conclude that Jews were solely the cause of Arab displacement, as you want to, is part of that derangement stuff.  If you cannot acknowledge that the Mufti, a Nazi inspired Jew hater, and the AHC ordered evacuations as a means to facilitate hostilities, with promises of booty once the Jews were defeated, than I think you ignore historical fact.  The new historians attach too much significance to Plan D causal effect on Arab displacement.

                      Jews were prepared and willing to live with their Arab neighbors, and local Arabs were just as prepared and willing.  It was the Mufti and other Arab leaders, seeking their own dreams of power in the Arab structure, who helped turn the local populace against the Jews with their schemes and misinformation about Jewish intentions, and then they forced the locals to act in ways that cost the latter greatly.  So why pretend that did not occur?

                      Of course, in the state of conflict that started in the 1920s, also courtesy of the Mufti, plans for defense that included, among other things, transfers for security purposes, were foreseeable at the time.  Such transfers actually occurred in other regions.  And before you go and tell me it shows a racist element of Zionism, let's recall the dhimmi status of Jews in the eyes of Islam, a permanent second class treatment of people, that was part of the generation of long term discrimination against Jewish populations going back hundreds of years in the region.

                      The main point you and your buds miss completely, however, in your daily attacks on Israel, is that there was one side that was the aggressor, time and again, and one side that engaged in wars of aggression.  You miss what caused the occupation.  I suspect many of you were not old enough to have experienced what happened in 67 and 73, when it was easy to see the aggression and know who was responsible.

                      When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

                      by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 04:44:46 PM PDT

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                  •  the period in question (0+ / 0-)

                    is right now, as in the events in Israel in which Israeli Bedouins were moved occurred THIS WEEK!!!  Ethnic cleansing in Iraq is happening now. I was comparing current events to current events, not to events that happened up to and over 100 years ago, that is not bait and switch.  You are the one that brought up ethnic cleansing of Jews in Arab nations in the past, which, once again, is not germane to the discussion in the O.P.
                    I also made no claims of E.C. happening AFTER the creation of Israel but that the removal of native Arabs was concurrent to the arrival of Jewish settlers.  There is ample evidence, as cited in the comment below, that E.C. did in fact take place after the creation of the Israeli state.
                    You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but what Israel is doing to the Bedouins in the Negev fits the definition of ethnic cleansing as provided by the dictionary citation provided by the diarist in the O.P.  So you want to believe that your opinion is the REAL definition of ethnic cleansing, OK, just don't expect anybody else to believe it with you.
                    Sorry I didn't read your book in less than a day, but as this is an internet message board and not a modern literature seminar, I will repeat my request for you to cite some credible sources for your contentions.

                    •  Ethnic cleansing in Iraq NOW? (0+ / 0-)

                      There are only 7 Jews in the entire country.

                      I disagree that the definition provided by the diarist constitutes ethnic cleansing, particularly as these people are not being expelled from the country, only that the state has acted to condemn their land for a state purpose, according to a lawful procedure.

                      And even if wrong, it is not ethnic cleansing, of which I provided an example.  I think you trivialize the subject, frankly, and it the example IS germane (even if not to you) because it shows clearly what it is.



                      When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

                      by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 04:54:16 PM PDT

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                      •  once again (1+ / 0-)
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                        ethnic cleansing does not have to happen to Jews to be called such, it can happen to ANY ethnic group.  I have never argued that the ethnic cleansing taking place in Iraq is only against Jews, though they have certainly suffered that along with other ethnic groups.
                        Once again, you are entitled to your opinion but your argument is not compelling.  The US acted "lawfully" to expel the Native tribes from their lands, moved them onto reservations and decimated their cultures, and it was most definitely ethnic cleansing.  They are still in the same "country" and the state is using their land for some purpose deemed to be legitimate. Just because a country makes the extermination of a people and their heritage lawful does not mean that it is no longer ethnic cleansing.  
                        Once again, ethnic cleansing is not restricted to Jews and at no point has this discussion ever been strictly about Jews.

                        •  Just because I used the example... (0+ / 0-)

                          of Jews, does not mean that I limit it to Jews.  How absurd that you draw that conclusion.

                          To compare what is occurring today to extermination of a people and their heritage, which you have, finally exposes what it is really about for you.  I think to make that implication is beyond absurd.

                          How easily we throw words around.

                          When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

                          by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 06:02:30 PM PDT

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                          •  why would I think that? (2+ / 0-)
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                            because the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Iraq started in around 1950

                            Which was in response to E.C. in Iraq in general, when I had made no mention of Jewish E.C.

                            There are only 7 Jews in the entire country

                            Which was in response to E.C. in Iraq in recent times ie. since the beginning of the Iraq War.
                            Your responses to my comments about ethnic cleansing have been exclusively restricted to your interpretation of E.C. committed against Jews, which again, I have never negated that those events happened, merely stipulated that they were not the subject in the O.P.

                            To compare what is occurring today to extermination of a people and their heritage, which you have, finally exposes what it is really about for you.  I think to make that implication is beyond absurd.

                            This is precisely what is happening to the Israeli Bedouins.  Just b/c they are not as culturally celebrated nor of an extensive range nor of a large population, such as the Jews or Native Americans (just to cite 2 examples that have been under discussion in this thread) does not mean that their heritage is not being systematically undone.  And when I say systematically I am referring to the fact that the Israeli gov't is doing this not out of random spite but by creating laws and acting upon legal statutes, ie., through the system.
                            If, as you are prone to point out, there had been only several hundred Jews in Iraq, and the gov't or other entities began a program to force the Jews to leave Iraq either through fear, by murder or dispropriation of lands you would (and have) call that ethnic cleansing.  Why does a different standard apply when the people affected are not Jews?  Pointing this out exposes what it is really about for me, calling shit what it is when I see it. I find it absurd that two standards should be applied for different people.

      •  Yes, China's human rights abuses.. (8+ / 0-)

        ....are substantial.  You will find no disagreement with me.  If our government promoted a "special relationship" with the Chinese on the grounds that it was a paragon of virtue, or shared our values, I would find that reprehensible.

        In fact, however, our government is cognizant of China's faults and refused to extradite Uighur detainees there, fearing that they would be tortured (again, by a "bad" state).  Unfortunately, the US government appears to have decided that they will not face substantial hardship if sent to Algeria.

        Alas, the US government has yet to realize, at the level of official policy, that support for the state of Israel is equivalent to support of Sri Lanka.  The difference, of course, is that the strategic, diplomatic and military cost to supporting the state of Israel is considerably greater; there are any number of valid reasons to focus on the abuses committed by the US-Israeli alliance.  

        "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

        by Alec82 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 06:30:50 PM PDT

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      •  It might be a more serious comment if Citizen53 (7+ / 0-)

        cared for them either, but I just went looking at this comments and such and see no such interest in these other subjects he seeks to distract readers with, at least in recent times. That does suggest a hypocritical response intended to make others look bad by not caring for something the commenter doesn't care about either, but wants to duck dealing with the actual diary argument.

        •  I hardly participate in the shenanigans here... (2+ / 0-)
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          because it's pretty much a waste of time.  Because it's more important to call one a hypocrite than address substance of a remark, or impugn one's motives because what they say offends one's sensitivities.

          These are the diaries I have chosen to participate in, and your comment is absurd to make a requirement that I need to prove bona fides to have an opinion as to what I see is imbalance.

          When I post diaries day after day that bemoan the suffering of only one people, attacking just one state, and ignore the rest, then raise your claim.

          When not here, I am way more involved in human rights than most who throw the comments such as yours.  That is why, unlike those I referred to, I have no simple and absolute answers.  It's also why I do not even try with this crowd, including yourself, that know so much except how to hear, and are quick to strike the sword to those who utter anything besides what you want to hear.

          When I say what I mean, it's normal here to be told otherwise. I wish I knew myself as well as those who tell me.

          by citizen53 on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 12:57:11 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe you should chill-out (3+ / 0-)
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      The only hyperbol and hyperventilating here seems to be yours.

      This diary is fact based and on the topic of ethnic discrimination against ethnic Arabs in Isreal.

      I read nothing anti-Israel here.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 10:09:58 PM PDT

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  •  BluePrint Negev (12+ / 0-)

    Is a Joint JNF and US charitable foundation Plan to settle 500000 Americans, Canadians, and English speaking Israelis

    Blueprint Negev is a $600 million project of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) to develop the Negev region of Israel through the construction of new settlements for immigrants and Israelis from the center of the country. The project says it will increase the Negev's population by 250,000 new residents by 2013, improving transportation infrastructure, adding businesses and employment opportunities, preserving water resources and protecting its environment.[1] The project aims to reduce the strain on Israel's coastal strip, which is suffering from overdevelopment and overpopulation, threatening what is among the most fertile land in Israel. 92% of Israel's population resides on 40% of Israel's land, while only 8% of its population lives in the Negev, which represents 60% of Israel's landmass.

    The plan envisions the creation of new suburban communities, which will allow their residents to be "21st century pioneers".[4] Twenty-five new communities are planned all across the Negev. Seven communities have already been established and are awaiting expansion, three of them since the Blueprint Negev was revealed in 2005, and the rest beforehand.[9] They include: Sansana (1999) 54 families, Tzukim (2001) 72 families, Merchav Am (2002) 34 families, Giv’ot Bar/Shomria (2004) 30 families, Haruv (2005) 30 families, Be'er Milka/Kmehin (2006) 12 families, Karmit, and Kasif (pending). The first of these settlements, Sansana, is part of the Har Hebron Regional Council governing Hebron-area settlements.

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 03:42:22 PM PDT

  •  Excellent diary, Alec! (2+ / 0-)
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    Tipped and recced.  The idea of planting 500,000 immigrants who consume water in the style of Americans and Europeans in the middle of the Negev is beyond hubris.

    "Trolling is a sad reality of internet life...Directly replying to the content of a trollish message is usually a waste of time"

    by Rusty Pipes on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 05:27:53 PM PDT

  •  This is a great diary Alec. Is there not anything (5+ / 0-)

    the Bedouin's can do legally.  Since they are citizens do they not have the right to go to court and challenge?  Is there anything we on the outside can do as it relates to contributing to legal funds or something?

    Tom's and your diaries today have left me so depressed.

    "...I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.".Julian Assange

    by Sydserious on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 06:32:31 PM PDT

  •  Israel be triznippin (0+ / 0-)

    That Israelis would refer to Palestinians as animals, when they and Jews look quite similar, tells you all you need to know.  All hate is self-hate, the Middle east conflict is just more blatant than other examples.

    Earth people unite, and let's all get brown.

  •  Chopping down Arab orchards was 1st step (3+ / 0-)
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    in "making the desert bloom".

    "These old Wall Street boys are putting up an awful fight to keep the government from putting a cop on their corner." - Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jul 28, 2010 at 12:29:38 PM PDT

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