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From the non-profit part of Kaiser, which runs a well-respected health poll, via the Hill:

Americans view Democrats’ signature health reform bill more positively now than at any point since it was signed into law, a new poll found Thursday.

50 percent of the public say they view the new healthcare law favorably, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll that has been tracking public opinion about the legislation since it became law.

35 percent of adults said they view the law unfavorably, while 14 percent had no opinion.

The July numbers mark the strongest support for reform since it reached a low in May, when the Kaiser poll found the public opposed the law 44-41 percent.

Independents, for example, are fav/unfav 29/26, similar to the overall 29/25. And note the numbers for repeal (only 27% want that, even though it's the GOP's position.

On seniors:

The poll also took a closer look at the views of seniors since they are often assumed to have a uniform view about issues.  Below are some of the poll’s key findings about seniors’ views:


While seniors’ views of the new law are more negative than those of their younger counterparts, they remain roughly split about the law with 46 percent of seniors holding an unfavorable view of the law and 38 percent holding a favorable one. While 35 percent of seniors think they will be worse off under reform, a greater share (57%) say they will be better off (20%) or it will make no difference (37%).

Seniors’ awareness about the specific provisions of the health reform law that affect Medicare is mixed.  For example, about half are aware that the new law will result in premium increases for some higher income Medicare beneficiaries (52%) and gradually close Medicare’s “doughnut hole” (50%).  However, just a third (33% ) know the law will eliminate Medicare’s co-pays and deductibles for some preventive services.


And the WaPo's Behind the Numbers also slices and dices senior attitudes:

Seniors have long been more negative than younger adults toward the changes, and the new poll takes a deeper look at the reasons behind their opposition to the bill. A majority (52 percent) of seniors describe themselves as "disappointed" about the bill; 45 percent say they are "confused" by it and 42 percent are "anxious."

The poll suggests that older Americans' negative feelings about the bill may rest on perceptions that it will make it more difficult and expensive for those on Medicare to access health care. More than three-quarters of those age 65 and over who hold negative views of the new law say it will weaken the Medicare system and its financial backing, make it harder for those on Medicare to find a doctor who is willing to see them or to get needed health care, and increase out of pocket costs for seniors.

The toplines are here, the findings here.

Overall, you can see why Republicans fought this tooth and nail. Once it's passed, and people find out what is in it, they tend to like it. And repealing it is a fool's errand.

Politico reports that business groups are preparing ads for the November elections and some are targeting health reform. "The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has already vowed to invest $75 million in the mid-term elections. And health insurers are also planning to play big in November, although the specifics remain in flux. ... Both America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) and its Coalition for Medicare Choices are expected to play a major role in the messaging, along with individual companies. But neither group, according to sources, plans to directly attack Democrats, which would risk infuriating the White House as it writes reform regulations as well as the Blue Dog Democrats who opposed the legislation." Likely ads include those targeted to seniors in the Medicare Advantage program "explaining it was health reform – not insurers – that is responsible for their higher bills and slashed benefits, one industry official said" (Cummings and Frates, 7/28).

Expect Republicans to try and scare seniors, but from the numbers, the public is nonetheless coming around to view health reform positively, and repeal is going nowhere.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Suck on that, gop. (18+ / 0-)

    Run on HCR repeal. Go ahead, do it!

    Our discontent can only be held in check by perfection.

    by A Runner on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 10:57:06 AM PDT

  •  I guess Obama succeeded in making the majority (15+ / 0-)

    of americans  "socialists"

    snark

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 10:57:39 AM PDT

  •  Some days I think Americans are a bunch of idiots (14+ / 0-)

    Some days, not so much.

    This poll puts today in the latter category.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 10:59:17 AM PDT

  •  Seniors don't like the bill for 2 reasons... (3+ / 0-)
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    marabout40, blue aardvark, kareylou

    one of which can be discounted...

    1. They strongly believe the PO should have been added...this makes sense since the vast majority of seniors love Medicare, they are confused why we just did not copy that system.
    1. They have been scared by the Republicans that the HCR bill will a) Come with death panels b)Take money and services away from Medicare from the $500 Billion in savings in Medicare over the next 10 years ($50 Billion per year)...

    The first one can be discounted because they are in favor of HCR but feel it did not go far enough...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:00:04 AM PDT

    •  I'll buy #2... (2+ / 0-)
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      tuma, virginislandsguy

      But not #1.  Seniors on Medicare are not likely to have been all excited about the PO.  

      BTW, Kathleen Sebelium and HHS just did a nice mail-out to all us seniors who are getting Medicare.  It lays out in a very easy to understand format exactly how the new health law helps us, makes our health insurance better.

      We need more of this educational activity.

      We still have people posting on this site who don't understand how much the entire country has gained with this new legislation.  Far too many have focused on the bit not gotten and not seen the huge bag of goodies delivered.

      Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

      by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:32:55 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's only the Sarah Palin twit who believes in (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      dvogel001

      death panels.

      Seniors, for the most part, prefer to have more choices and control over their last days.  Death with dignity is far preferable to many, than no choice/no options/no control.

  •  See? (17+ / 0-)

    The effects are staring to kick in -- because we DID something. Now it's time to tell people we're making things better for them -- but there's a LONG way to go, and we need their help to make things better yet.

    Let the teabaggers talk about "taking 'their' country back." We're taking it FORWARD!

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:00:24 AM PDT

  •  Good glad to hear it...now to sick the health (1+ / 0-)
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    akmk

    "insurance" companies on the processed food companies who have broght us and bounty of  "cheap fat/sugar/salt laden food. Better health means we use the system less...bringing costs down.

  •  When fear fades, logic sets in (16+ / 0-)

    That's why right wing media works to create a 24/7 fear cycle.  As soon as they stop whipping up hysteria, people will calm down and become rational.

    And the greatest threat to the Conservative Cult these days is rational thinking.

  •  Hmm... (2+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, flhiii88

    How does this jibe with concerns that the HCR will actually hurt Dems in November? I thought HCR has actually increased dissatisfaction because of a rise in premiums?

    NOT being snarky - I really want to understand. Are there conflicting reports?

    Lisa

    All Kossacks are my allies, but if you can't express your thoughts in a civil and kind manner, I won't be engaging in a conversation with you.

    by Boston to Salem on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:02:57 AM PDT

  •  those ads will make a difference (1+ / 0-)
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    Dartagnan

    nobody here should be under the impression that this positive trend wiill continue. Seniors will be bombarded with these messages and if there is no counter-campaign to correct the record, millions may be persuaded.

    •  don't really know if there's more to persuade (0+ / 0-)

      some already don't care for it, but not sure the rest are really going tobe swayed by commercials. Few seem aware that preventative care is paid for, for example. That'll sink in.

      Now, 27% can repeat Fox news talking points, but that we knew.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:21:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  if the donut hole checks (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BobTrips

      keep going out, the seniors might start to think about this more favorably.  Many still don't know the donut hole will be slowly closing.

      •  Right now... (1+ / 0-)
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        virginislandsguy

        The hole closes.

        Free annual physicals, mammograms, colorectal screenings.

        Improvements in Medical Advantage.

        Coming soon...

        A move to patient-centered care, more physicians and other health care workers.

        Elder Justice Act improvements.

        Assistance for early retirees.

        Improvements in fraud and waste discovery/correction.

        Improved record keeping systems resulting in fewer errors and less unnecessary testing.

        I expect that the AARP will be getting this info out to seniors.  HHS already is.

        Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

        by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:42:55 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •   think the donut hole doesn't (0+ / 0-)

          close entirely until 2020, but next year seniors start getting discounts that will help many to avoid the hole entirely or keep their out of pockets down.

          There were many good things for seniors in the Health Care Act.   One thing seniors didn't like was lowering the subsidies to the private insurance side of the plans in Medicare Advantage.  But that program did more for insurance company bottom lines and less for seniors and raised overall government cost significantly compared to medicare A/B programs.

      •  remember, medicare advantage seniors (0+ / 0-)

        often have things worked out sot hey don't notice the donut hole. My parents don't. they won't understand - they will think they're losing something.

        •  I don' t notice the hole... (0+ / 0-)

          (Wouldn't notice if I was spending money for pharmaceuticals.)

          But then I pay for private supplemental coverage for the things Medicare doesn't cover.

          I expect that when the hole closes my premiums will drop.  (Or at least not rise as rapidly.)

          Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

          by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:32:00 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  we have to keep selling this...and inventually it (1+ / 0-)
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        jfromga

        would sink in...
        -don't expect a piece of legislation that has evaded presidents for generations to be easily understood or accepted. If it was that easy it would have been done sooner...any president would want that on their legacy...

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

        by tuma on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:07:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Republican Tea Baggers = EPIC FAIL ! (2+ / 0-)

    Republican brand of HOPE: "I HOPE HE FAILS"... Country First Anyone?

    by DFutureIsNow on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:06:57 AM PDT

  •  Killer Dem talking point for the election (9+ / 0-)

    "The Republicans want to take us back to the days when Americans with pre-existing conditions could not get health insurance. I don't think that's what most Americans want."

    "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity nothing beats teamwork." - Mark Twain

    by greendem on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:07:47 AM PDT

    •  But not nearly enough for low-income folks (1+ / 0-)
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      greendem

      who simply can't afford insurance period.

      Not that they haven't worked all their life.

      Health care is a right, I believe I heard one Presidential candidate say during the debates.

      •  You missed the part... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        greendem

        Where poor singles will now be able to receive free coverage via Medical.

        And where low-income folks will receive very generous assistance paying for health insurance.

        Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

        by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:45:15 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Where do folks sign up for this? (0+ / 0-)

          Any must they have no savings, no independence whatsoever to qualify?

          Ever try to plan your future with less than $2000 in the bank?

          •  Medical? (0+ / 0-)

            Check with your local social assistance office (whatever it's called where you live).

            Premium assistance?

            Unfortunately you'll have to wait for the exchange to be created.  I have no idea why it will take so long for it to come into effect.

            In the meantime you might check the government's health care page.  Lots of good links to other programs in your state (at least my state).

            Link...

            Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

            by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:07:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  The reality is lots of good, hard-working folks (0+ / 0-)

              not yet covered.

              •  Do you mean "not yet"... (0+ / 0-)

                as in "today".

                If so, correct.  The health care changes come into effect over the next 2-3 years.  Again, I don't know why they take so long, but that's just the reality of the situation.

                If you mean "not yet" as in "not after the bill is fully up and running I'll have to ask "why"?  

                The only reason that I can think of that you wouldn't be covered from 2014 on is that you are in the country illegally.

                Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

                by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 08:45:34 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  I understand but barring Universal Health Care (0+ / 0-)

        that is unfortunately the "reality" of America...that some shall still remain without care...

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

        by tuma on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:10:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  if you don't mind...a slight edit: (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      greendem

      The Republicans want to take us back to the days when  people with sick kids went bankrupt and lost their homes.

      _______

      one day, not so far in the future
      maybe our kids, or our kids kids will look back on history and say to themselves;

      I can't believe we lived in a country where that was ever possible.

      "Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." -Helen Keller

      by ridemybike on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The RWNM cannot do nuance (6+ / 0-)

    They will run on repealing the whole thing.

    The attack ads write themselves.

    "Goposaurs want to make seniors pay more for their prescriptions".

    "Goposaurs want to repeal a law that lets your children stay on your insurance until 27".

    "Goposaurs want insurance companies to be able to take away insurance from sick children".

    And so on.

    The possibility for epic win exists.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:17:45 AM PDT

    •  excellent, blue aardvark. (1+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark

      The RWNM cannot do nuance

      They will run on repealing the whole thing.

      yes, nuance is something they can't sell
      they may understand it, and even try it,
      but, their base....?

      ummm, no.

      "Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." -Helen Keller

      by ridemybike on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:00:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I think now that August is about to begin (4+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, BobTrips, speak2me, akmk

    parents are beginning to see that they can have their 24 or 25 year-old child covered under their insurance plan.

    It's about time I changed my signature.

    by Khun David on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:17:45 AM PDT

    •  I was disappointed to discover (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Khun David

      that United Healthcare will not let me add my 23 year old back on to our plan until open enrollment in January.  The woman who runs the HR dept. had to contact them because she didn't know anything about adult children being allowed back on, and if I am the only one to ask, how many others are unaware of this part of the law?

      "Jem, how can you hate Hitler so bad an' then turn around and be ugly about folks right at home?"...Scout, To Kill a Mockingbird

      by ImABlondOK on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 01:30:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Seniors views (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, Bush Bites, flhiii88

    gained by me by talking to real people seems to be they are afraid it will mean their socialized medicine won't be as good.   They are willing to make sure only they have good socialized medicine.  It really is that me first driven.

  •  Scare the gullible old people. (1+ / 0-)
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    marabout40

    You'd think the Repubs would come up with a new trick.

    "Philosophy is useless; theology is worse"--Dire Straits

    by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:27:46 AM PDT

  •  One of the cool things for kids is (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DemFromCT, BobTrips

    if they're in foster care, have lifelong developmental disabilities, or have Medicaid for other reasons they can stay on Medicaid until they're 26 starting next year.

    I'm a speech-language pathologist and I have a 16 year old with multiple health issues & and a 17 year old in the foster care system on my caseload. The families were thrilled to hear that their kids weren't going to be abandoned to the wolves when they turned 18!

    •  Yes, that's an improvement. (0+ / 0-)

      But when will we stop doing things piecemeal until only a few aren't covered?

      Why not everyone?  All ages?

      Provide incentives for those who don't smoke, eat right, exercise, and choose preventive care.

      •  The only people not covered, as I understand... (0+ / 0-)

        People in the country illegally.

        Those who choose to opt out of health care and, instead, pay a fine.  (The fine should help offset the cost of their unpaid health care bills when they go bankrupt.)

        Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

        by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:48:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Seems like there is a little positive trend (0+ / 0-)

    for democrats now.

    That's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan (Michael Steele)

    by Mariken on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:29:23 AM PDT

  •  So 20% say they will be better off (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bigchin

    Is that really reassuring? Especially when Dems constantly tout this as HISTORIC. And that is probably about the same percent who will not get HC for free.

    While 35 percent of seniors think they will be worse off under reform, a greater share (57%) say they will be better off (20%) or it will make no difference (37%).

    Don't let the "Perfect" (i.e. Honest Government) be the Enemy of the "Good" (a.k.a. Corporate Looting of the Taxpayer).

    by CitizenOfEarth on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:30:47 AM PDT

  •  At 62 and between my last wage job and first SS (2+ / 0-)
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    CitizenOfEarth, virginislandsguy

    check and having not had any health insurance for 15 years, HCR cannot be derailed and must be improved.

    Self-employment buys groceries.  I roll the dice and try to stay healthy.  

    However, stuff happens even when folks do their best-- to work, to stay healthy, to help others.

    Our government is so far behind on health care compared to other countries.

    Seniors know it's time to move forward, not backward.

    •  Don't know if it will help you... (0+ / 0-)

      Don't know when the plan goes into effect, perhaps not until you've acquired Medicare, but there is a provision for aiding early retirees.

      And then once the exchange is in place you should be able to get health insurance and pay no more than 10% of your income for a good policy.

      Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

      by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:52:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  People are still clinging to "HCR"? (0+ / 0-)

    Come on now.

    Even the President gave up on that descriptor long ago in favor of HIR.

    Not even the DNC uses "HCR", even in their newest ad.

    Probably because they know it's not...

    More and Better Democrats

    by SJerseyIndy on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:37:31 AM PDT

  •  Disagree With Diary Writer When He Says... (1+ / 0-)
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    bigchin

    Overall, you can see why Republicans fought this tooth and nail. Once it's passed, and people find out what is in it, they tend to like it.

    This bill will force me and my family to buy a health insurance policy.  Even though we will be subsidized, the subsidy is not enough.  I suspect that copays and deductibles will be too high.  

    I am disgusted that a Democratic President and Congress became enablers for the insurance and drug companies to cash in at the expense of the taxpayer and the customer.  I am just glad that I am 59 years old and will shift over to Medicare not long after I am forced to buy a product that will not meet my needs.  However, my wife will have to buy a crappy product for a lot longer as she is only 53.

    Corporate cash has corrupted the Dems as a party.  Not as much as the Republicans but enough that we got a lousy so-called health insurance reform that is a loser for me and my family.

  •  here's the thing (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BobTrips, evilhoodedcrow

    the more people learn about it, the more they like it.

    now, I know there's not much actually implemented yet, but, just this morning I got an email from the WH with a video showing President Obama using the new health care website: HealthCare.gov

    figured I'd go check it out, and...it's a damn good start.

    easy to navigate (great for those who need simplicity)
    straight forward and intuitive (great for the those who are less tech-savvy)

    the overall experience was very positive.

    and, since I have a few friends and relatives on the conservative side who have been skeptical of the whole effort, I'm gonna send them a link.

    I know it's only a website...and, not a fully functioning one, yet....
    but, it helps to give a face to HCR, and the importance of this can't be overstated.

    for many average Americans, health reform was pretty damn abstract; they were fed distortions, talking points and downright lies all the while being manipulated and scared by the conservatives. This website helps to dispel much of that nonsense.

    many many republicans (the whole party???) are running on repealing HCR. The more popular support we gain, not only for HCR, but all the achievements we've made, will certainly help us in November.

    "Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." -Helen Keller

    by ridemybike on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:45:32 AM PDT

    •  That site... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ridemybike

      Right now will let you see which companies are selling policies in your area (by zip code).

      In October it will list the prices for those policies.  

      This, in itself, should start to bring down prices.  Once people have 'one stop shopping' for prices the pressure will be on to cut prices.

      It's how we got $300 computers and $100 digital cameras....

      Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

      by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:38:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  On this side we look into the futre... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DemFromCT, BobTrips, akmk

    while the GOP is nothing but politics of "today". the same who oppose HCR today were same who opposed Medicare and social security decades ago. But today they are rushing to defend these programs (forget the teabaggers who do not even know medicare/ss are government programs though the want them.
    I bet you 1020 yrs from today, the same GOP would defend pride themselves as defenders of obamacare.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 11:47:55 AM PDT

    •  yes we look into the future... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BobTrips

      what we are doing with Health Care today is same with Financial Reform, same with green technology.
      The GOP has never beed a party that "sees" and embraces the future. They are a bunched scared of it.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:21:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good Luck Re-Opening this can of worms-ever again (0+ / 0-)

    "Health Care Reform" or what ever that watered down chopped up/out/not much nightmare of legislation is what ya call it. That anyone in Congress now/next year or ever will address this again - will be a surprise to me.

    I am glad that the poor got some "new" coverage. Goff for them.

    The rest of us are still at square one. US Health Care = and still does = American gets old and sick - spends up all his/her hard earned money - yep all of it - life savings - home - everything an basically impoverish themselves the rest of your existence.

    The American Way! Awesome! Something to look forward too..

    Unreal

    I want my Universal Coverage like all Western Democracies have WTF.

    ObamaNation 2009! We Did It! ---- Elected > Rebecca Kaplan - Oakland City Council-At Large Seat -----2010 Oakland Mayor & CA-Governor - Undecided

    by AustinSF on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:10:58 PM PDT

    •  Let's see... (1+ / 0-)
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      virginislandsguy

      The way you talk you must make plenty of money.  Otherwise you'd benefit from federal assistance for premium payments for those making "lower middle class" or less money.

      So given that you're making six figures, or close to it, what will you gain?

      Insurance companies won't be able to kick you off if you get to be a big expense to them.

      Your doctor won't be ordering repeat tests simply because record keeping is so screwed up that your medicals records are spread all over the place.

      You'll be getting co-pay free annual physicals and mammograms and colonrectal checks.

      Your kids will be able to stay on your policy while they get their financial feet on the ground.  You won't have to pay out for additional policies while they are in their early 20s and "finding themselves".

      And then when you get old you'll have improved Medicare to help you out.  Including a closed pharmaceutical donut hole.

      (There are other benefits for the well-off.  Just though you'd enjoy learning about a few.)

      Enough of this reality crap. I voted for MAGIC!!!

      by BobTrips on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 12:50:32 PM PDT

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      •  Nice - Thanks! (0+ / 0-)

        Yes - that is an improvement. May I again repeat - might be all we ever get. The premise here is it will be a long time before DEMS ever tackle anything the resembles universal coverage like all other Western Democracies have.

        Again my point - even for me - some day I will be forced to spend/sell/deplete all my resources and be a "forced" poor eventually with the system even with these improvements here. Right?

        I am 50 (yes I do very well)- so what?

        Let me go back to what I was saying...

        I know what my parents cough up $$$$ each month to "co-pay" all of their meds and treatments (freaky amount of money) + I realize once one of them gets fatally ill (of any length time) (poof) most likely they will have to spend themselves to poor - just to get on Medicaid - or 100% US healthcare coverage. Oh and I do know of what I speak - in one of my past lives I did a 10 yrs in this HC Industry.

        My point is nobody in any other Western Democracy has any type of reality like this. Spend themselves out of their homes - What? - give up all your wealth? - huh? there is NO SUCH THING etc.. and that is a fact.  

        I just think this first "tiny tiny" step (not what the campaign promised - that's for sure) (remember Barack's interview with the SF Chronicle?) (look it up). Doubt Obama Administration nor Congress will open this can of worms for a long time to come - if ever.

        Thanks for pointing out more of the improvements that were in the bill. Those are helpful for sure. Glad for them.

        ObamaNation 2009! We Did It! ---- Elected > Rebecca Kaplan - Oakland City Council-At Large Seat -----2010 Oakland Mayor & CA-Governor - Undecided

        by AustinSF on Sat Jul 31, 2010 at 01:57:25 PM PDT

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  •  Which Republican Leader Warned HCR (0+ / 0-)

    would help Democrats?  

    Video?

    Those who are easily shocked should be shocked more often. Mae West

    by Into The Woods on Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 05:38:43 PM PDT

  •  And now, a comment from Carl (0+ / 0-)

    "Some folks call it a Kaiser poll, I call it a sling poll, I reckon, mm-hmm."

  •  Slight amendment to an excellent diary (0+ / 0-)

    From the non-profit part of Kaiser, which runs a well-respected health poll

    The poll is from the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is a nonprofit foundation endowed by Henry Kaiser's will, but it isn't affiliated with Kaiser Permanente, the managed care network -- which is also nonprofit, mostly; the part of it that employs doctors is not.  

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