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David Weigel gives some serious consideration to the Tea Party movement, examining what he calls five myths about the Tea Party:

1. The tea party isn't a reaction to President Obama, it's a reaction to the bank bailouts.

He thinks this is partly true, and that the movement had its origins with the Paultards of 2007.

Mebbe so, but has everyone forgotten what actually kicked off this "movement" in its current state? The February 2009 Rick Santelli rant for a "Chicago Tea Party" that had a full-blown PR campaign around it up and running  within hours, including a website at a ChicagoTeaParty.com that had been registered six months before. So, good try Dave Weigel, but  the Tea Party isn't a reaction to either - it's the result of a successful PR campaign to whip up a popular frenzy with carefully designed misinformation.

2. The tea party is racist.

This Weigel thinks is not true - that there are a few racist Tea Partiers but they're quickly drummed out by others in the movement.

There certainly have been a few highly publicized drummings out. What Dave Weigel misses is that these people only got drummed out because of the publicity. Where there's no publicity, there's no drumming out. He dismisses out of hand the idea that conservative opposition to social spending could have anything to do with race. I think racism is used by the more sophisticated manipulators behind the movement because it raises the level of emotional engagement in a way taxes and deficits don't.

3. Sarah Palin is the leader of the tea party.

Dave Weigel thinks she's not, because in 2008 she backed TARP, and Tea Partiers don't like TARP. They don't want any leaders right now, but find her useful because she attracts media attention.

Well, it depends on what you mean by leader. She's certainly been at the forefront of pushing Tea Party memes, frames, and misinformation into mainstream discourse. She's certainly the most well-known figure associated with the Tea Party. I'd put it this way:  if she wants to re-enter politics, and the Tea Party still has some steam left in it by that time, she's the one poised to make use of it.

4. The tea party hurts the GOP.

The tea party movement is giving Republicans a dream of an electorate, one in which surveys find more GOP-inclined voters enthusiastic  about casting ballots than voters who lean Democratic. Democrats have done some damage to the tea party brand -- its favorability has fallen in polls -- but in general, the presence of a new political force that is not called Republican and is not tied to George W. Bush has given the GOP a glorious opportunity to remake its image, at a time when trust in the party is very low.

No argument. Agreed.

5. The tea party will transform American politics.

A popular, and correct, aphorism about grass-roots movements is that they act like bees -- they sting, then die. Third parties fold into major parties...

The tea party is unlikely to even reach third-party status, because the vast majority of its members -- up to 79 percent, in some polls -- identify as Republicans and are savvy enough not to take actions that would help Democrats. (Liberals only wish that Ralph Nader thought like this.)

I agree with this too. But then, I don't believe it's as spontaneous a movement as Dave Weigel does. And so this is by design.

I think Ed Kilgore over at TNR really gets at the essence of what's keeping the Tea Party going as a political phenomenon:

There has been incessant discussion over the last year about the size, character, and intentions of the Tea Party rank-and-file. But, by and large, the political discussion has passed over another defining phenomenon: The beatific capacity of Tea Party membership, which enables virtually anyone with ambition to whitewash his hackishness—and transform from a has-been or huckster into an idealist on a crusade.

It's a way for all the lunatics and failures and nobodies on the right to get one more kick at the can. It's a way to double down on all the disasters of the Bush years without having to take the blame for them. We're not Republicans, we're with the Tea Party!

Snakeoil never grows old in American politics.

Originally posted to Th0rn on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:40 AM PDT.

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    •  The Teabaggers = the Republican base (19+ / 0-)

      They trashed the Republican brand name during the Bush years so they rebranded themselves as Teabaggers. They are the same 23% of right wing sociopaths who still thought Shrub Jr was doing a great job when he left office.

      "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:53:00 AM PDT

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      •  It's been a terrific (14+ / 0-)

        rebranding effort - well, considering what they have to work with. They really do have some PR, messaging, and slogan-generating talent on the right. Professional Dems are so deficient in that area. Oh, and in believing in their own ideas enough to fight for them. That would help too.

        •  They didn't come up with it (16+ / 0-)

          The Teabagger "movement" was created by Republican Dick Armey's corporate lobbying group 'Freedom Works' and promoted 24/7 by Faux News and AM Hate radio.

          The Teabaggers are the dictionary definition of a right wing astroturf group.

          "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

          by Jeff Y on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:33:27 AM PDT

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          •  That's who I mean by "they" (8+ / 0-)

            And don't forget billionare David Koch.

          •  Yeah, tea party (6+ / 0-)

            is a well funded front group, agreed. And please, can we quit bemoaning the fact that somehow Democrats or progressives lack the 'skills' to do this kind of thing?

            We're doing it right here, more nuanced, more skillfully and smarter than anybody on the right.

            What we don't have is a billion + dollar a month bullhorn called the rightwing noise machine that is probably the singlest best funded generator of consistent bullshit since butcher houses became automated.

            By rightwing noise machine I mean: Fox News, various rightwing radio hacks, Rush, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck (now on tv!) and a completely supine national media made up of semi-literate gossip artist who allow the rightwing noise machine to define and frame nearly every minute of their day--whether through cowardice or design is the only debatable point. Our so called 'establisment' press, has since Reagan has never veered from a frame that starts with 'business is good' and ends on the right with calls for Christian prayers in public schools as a right.

            Fuck, progressive ideas that are absolutely essential for national discussion in Europe aren't even understood here, nationally, much less discussed: the slow city movement, for example. Other progressive ideas--single payer healthcare, for example-- are stigmatized as far left creations on the slippery slope to socialiasm rather than the moderate safety net  they are in every other civilized nation on this earth. Our so called million dollar baby club that makes up the establisment press allows this kind of disparity between acceptable and unacceptable discourse --a pack of tea party hacks and racists get white washed into almost acceptable --even though they have no concept of politics or a platform that's even rational for that matter--but actually useful policy discussion that would benefit millions of Americans and save this country billions is suddenly absolutely unaccetable for prime time.

            I'd say, what the fuck gives?--except I know what gives. If you're a plutocrat or in hire to a plutocrat it's much fucking easier to a put a shiny tea party on a leash and watch them droll then to take seriously the possibility of reforming a government and tax code so that it benefits the majority and not just a few.

            90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

            by DelicateMonster on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:17:24 AM PDT

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            •  Half the time (2+ / 0-)
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              I can't believe what passes for a progressive 'win' that people post video of and crow about - usually it's little more than weak pushback in which maybe the winger is outshouted or made to look foolish for being ignorant or irrational, but the issue is allowed to stand within the basically right-wing framing. That's what I find so disheartening - even 'progressives' are too often accepting essentially right-wing framing of the issues without even realizing they're doing it. That's where we need truly progressive think-tanks to map out the arguments the way the right-wing ones are constantly churning out arguments to push things rightward. Instead we have centrist think-tanks (at best) and centrist wonks like Ezra Klein seeding Dem discourse. So we're always playing catch-up rhetorically and ideologically. And if you're arguing defensively, you're losing.

        •  Professional Dems are First of All Conservatives (1+ / 0-)
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          Leadership is conservative. Right of center. Their own ideas are already being fought for by the Republicans. The Democratic Party is the compassionate, competent conservative party of Bush's father.

          Leadership's plan beginning with Clinton is to let the market and Republicans inform the people. The Dems will run low emotion campaigns, that won't put off the patrons, of modest offerings in a number of areas promising a better job of addressing the frames the right has established.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 04:47:16 AM PDT

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          •  This (0+ / 0-)

            Leadership is conservative

            is truer than you probably intended.

            It's not just the present leadership of the Democratic party that's conservative. It is in the nature of leadership, all leadership, to be conservative. That's why the few who are not conservative (and I mean that in the classic sense, not the RW "it-means-what-I-want-it-to-mean-today" sense, are so noticeable. I mean that on both sides of the political spectrum, and even completely apart from politics.

            If you get to be a leader, it's probably because you did something right. And the natural human tendency, the very strong tendency, is "don't fix it if it ain't broke". So, you're not going to do anything that might threaten your hold on leadership. It takes a very strong character, a visionary person, or an unignorable crisis to produce another outcome.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:23:02 PM PDT

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            •  There's a difference between (1+ / 0-)
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              formal institutional 'leadership' and actual leadership. The former tends to promote sociopaths, imo, and the latter tends to be the territory of social disruptors - i.e., not conservative.

              •  I get your point (1+ / 0-)
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                but not many latters get to be formers, I'm afraid. I also believe that the institution usually changes the leader, not the other way around. And not for the better, obviously.

                The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

                by sidnora on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:36:23 PM PDT

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      •  They want their country back (3+ / 0-)
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        because Karl Rove promised them a permanent majority and a black man stole it from them.  23% is a majority by the math of their little Fox-baked brains.

        A petty criminal is someone with predatory instincts but insufficient capital to form a corporation.

        by stlsophos on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:46:19 AM PDT

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  •  Why are they so quiet all of a sudden? (8+ / 0-)

    What's Dick Armey doing these days?  I can't even remember the last time CNN devoted an entire hour to a Tea Party event.  Have they gone underground or just catching their collective breath before the midterms?

  •  The smarter ones may feel duped. (1+ / 0-)
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    The corporations fronting the Tea Party & FOX told them they could kill healthcare reform.  Their ballon got a little pricked.  It's looking a little saggy lately.  

  •  Hate is a powerful motivator (12+ / 0-)

    The right has been hate-motivated against "the other" for a long time. That has historically been gays, feminists and anyone to the left of the blue dogs.

    Today's "other" is the administration of a black intellectual, so its not surprising the hate that is generated easily gravitates to racism and anti-intellectualism (effete leftist educators, etc).

    The tea party could aggressively counter the racists in its midst, but they'd anger some of their most motivated partisans.

    It's why they're so easily unhinged by the threat of even having a discussion about it.

    If it were true, they couldn't say it on Fox News. -6.62 -5.90

    by PBCliberal on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:27:53 AM PDT

  •  I read that in the WaPo (5+ / 0-)

    I remember thinking WTF then thats its the lamest attempt at debunking I have seen for awhile.

    Just stay away from my body and my rights, and everything will be just fine. ~LaFeminista Mon May 17, 2010

    by LaFeminista on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:57:01 AM PDT

  •  Dave is dreaming if he doesn't... (11+ / 0-)

    think the tea party is racist... they are.

    "When you want to go forward ... you put it in 'D,' "When you want to go back ... you put it in 'R.' " ... President Obama 8/2.

    by BarackStarObama on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 02:39:17 AM PDT

  •  Heck of a job Th0rn... (3+ / 0-)
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    no seriously, good job on this piece.  I agree with your points.  Except your last:

    Snakeoil never grows old in American politics.

    I don't think it's so much that snakeoil itself grows old as much as it is the blue suede shoes snakeoil salesmen that never fail to entertain those following American politics.  Add to that the media's coverage of that entertainment factor that they pass off as real "news" and coverage of real "issues" that profoundly impact real 'mericans today.

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 03:18:35 AM PDT

    •  Excellent point (3+ / 0-)
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      I was just thinking--there's a kind of circular quality to all of this. Tea parties are a front group funded by billionaires who are interested in whacking down real legislation with cries of no government or whatever.

      They generate their own hive of media activity which make them almost a self-perpetuating phenomena.

      What we really need to do is co-opt the tea party, convince them that the far right plutocrats who are driving their useless agenda are the problem. If they tack just a little off their bleak and pointless 'no government' stance, and start looking at who and what is actually causing the horrors in this country right now: Goldman Sachs, Hedge Funds, Banksters, outsourcing companies, companies that layoff and downsize, gutting their workforce heartlessly, while still racking up record profits in the midst of the greatest depression since 1929 and the political corporate whores in BOTH parties who let this happen.

      90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

      by DelicateMonster on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:29:34 AM PDT

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      •  There is much merit in your suggestion, (2+ / 0-)
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        but call me cynical when I say that I believe most tea party people are fully aware of who and what is backing their movement and they.don't.care.  IMO the tea party is comprised somewhat of good ole' boy types who are phobia driven. They are afraid of the old testament type of retribution that the blacks, browns and gays might mete out to them in the future when their white race becomes a minority. The rest of the tea party group are of the herd mentality and after 20+ years of mind washing by Limbaugh and Co. are sadly lost causes.  

        As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

        by JaxDem on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:40:27 AM PDT

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      •  Good comment and wishful thinking, IMO, (2+ / 0-)
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        because the Bagger base are basically po'd GOP'rs who can't or won't vote Dem.

        The best outcome is that a sizeable majority won't vote at all.

        Even low-info Baggers see that the Bagger big shots, i.e., Palin, have become so transparent with their greed and lust for power and the PR necessity of weeding out racists and crazies has thinned out the ranks.  

        If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

        by msmacgyver on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:41:13 AM PDT

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        •  I can't really disagree (3+ / 0-)
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          with this --but would just add two things:

          1. we'll never know for sure unless we try to educate/radicalize/convert these fuckwits
          1. education and establishing a rational worldview is a good thing regardless of immediate political efficacy.

          90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

          by DelicateMonster on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:54:43 AM PDT

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          •  Fight stupid with stupid? (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm not being facetious.  The Baggers are 'anti' a lot of things and education and learning are high on the list.

            The Baggers and RW crazies thrive on melodrama, conspiracy theories and fear mongering.

            We criticize the Dems for losing the message battle and it is primarily because most Dems/liberals/progressives rely on facts and assume that others do as well.  That is not the case for the Baggers/RW and the only way to convince this group of stubbornly proud of their ignorance people is to offer the same kinds of rhetoric and drama which they want and are used to.

            'No Drama Obama' is not a remedy for this but I wouldn't have it any other way personally.  Those who are able to rant (with facts comfortably available), i.e., Grayson and Wiener, are gifted in ways that might sway semi-crazies, but this is not the norm for Dems.  

            When I watch Harry Reid speak, I do want to shake him and believe that we could have more effective leadership; however, as long as Dems stick to their laid back, polite and well informed scripts, we cannot inspire the excitement and fear that Boehner does with his daily rant-a-thons.  

            If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

            by msmacgyver on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 06:27:58 AM PDT

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            •  Interesting (2+ / 0-)
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              I'm not sure if I'd call that quality 'stupid' so much as flamboyant or rhetorically empowered, but it's a good point.

              Dems have some of the most hoo hum speakers out there--Reid and Pelosi as cases in point.

              Grayson would be great, so would Howard Dean, btw. Every so often Franken has his moments too :-)

              90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

              by DelicateMonster on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 06:51:27 AM PDT

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              •  Yes, I realized that 'stupid' probably (0+ / 0-)

                wasn't the best word choice as soon as I hit 'post' :)

                I have had conversations with Bagger types and religious zealots and can attest to the fact that there is no point in debate or discussion.  Really.

                The election of President Obama has intensified the polarization of the right and the Bagger movement has given permission to let the racism monster out of the cage.  The President and his family are trashed on a regular basis in ways which are beyond disrespectful to the office of the President and to them as people.

                Rachel had a terrific segment last night about her recent battle of words with Billo.  She discussed the two types of attacks...ad hominem and ad popularum.  The first being attacks of a personal nature and the second being personal attacks which are based on a false perception that they are agreed upon by many.

                The right has developed the personal attack to a point where it is the only method they employ.  I could list a few recent examples but suffice to paraphrase an old piece of advice...'intelligent people talk about issues, those who lack intelligence talk about people'.

                If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

                by msmacgyver on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 07:12:47 AM PDT

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              •  Let's not forget Rep. Weiner. (1+ / 0-)
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                I do think there's a point here; let's not be ashamed to acknowledge that one of the reasons Obama is president today is that he's an electrifying orator (as opposed to Reid - were you at NN10?).

                I have another theory, though, and believe it or not, it turns on hope.

                The foot-soldier teabaggers have little in their lives to be happy about; they watch TV and know that other folks are living large, and they sure aren't. But when they watch Palin up there, who was so recently an unknown governor of a remote, sparsely-populated state, and see where she's gotten herself today, all glamorous, on TV, with no apparent money worries, they see themselves. They still hold out hope, no matter how slim, that they'll be rich, famous and the object of public adulation someday. And when they get there, they'll be damned if they're gonna pay any death taxes. Or any other taxes, for that matter.

                I'm not saying that the racism and bedrock Republicanism isn't there too, but this is a factor. I think of it as the "something for nothing" school of politics.

                The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

                by sidnora on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:40:23 PM PDT

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                •  Many of us live vicariously through public (1+ / 0-)
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                  figures and you are right that the Baggers find some kind of vindication in Sarah Palin.

                  My point is that the people most representative of 'conservatives', i.e., Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, Hannity, et al, are all basically hate mongers who traffic in petty gossip, slander, conspiracy theories and quasi-religious babble.

                  When Palin makes an attempt to comment on national issues, she can only parrot talking points or blunder around with misinformed Palin-speak.

                  The current GOP, as a political party, is nothing more than a product of media marketing.  "The Party of No" is really just that.  The GOP believes that Faux News works for them and has, since 1996 when Faux News was launched, allowed the cable station to define the party and do all the talking.

                   

                  If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? Lily Tomlin

                  by msmacgyver on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 07:31:48 PM PDT

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            •  Democrats politely bow... (1+ / 0-)
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              ....to the Republicans because that's what their corporate masters tell them to do: take a dive.

          •  I think the only way to change a teabagger (1+ / 0-)
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            mind is through a close personal relationship at the time of a relevant crisis, experience, or event.  Their minds are closed to any general message.

            Superman may be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, we mortals have to do it one step at a time. Patience, persistence, votes.

            by ahumbleopinion on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 09:19:40 AM PDT

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            •  This is true I think (0+ / 0-)

              you may be able to change their mind through a...

              close personal relationship

              But, my God , imagine how low the standards for personal relationship have to fall to enable this? I shutter at the thought.

              90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

              by DelicateMonster on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:41:52 PM PDT

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  •  I have a guess the (1+ / 0-)
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    right's propaganda stars are running daily panels with their base trying to pin down the next campaign that won't appear to be racist and yet get everyone excited. Beck's 8/28 event appears to be flagging and a non-event. Either they haven't fixed on anything wild enough yet or they are saving it until closer to November to launch.

    "We have cast our lot with something bigger than ourselves" - President Obama, July 30, 2010

    by Overseas on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 04:04:25 AM PDT

  •  17 Members of COngress belong to the TP Caucus. (0+ / 0-)

    My Congressman is one of them  :(

  •  Tea Party Internet Domains Were Reportedly (2+ / 0-)
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    bought in 08 or earlier, if I recall correctly, well before it was a good bet that Obama would be President.

    I think though the entire spectrum of conservative madness is because the period following inauguration has been the runup to a midterm when moderates were not going to be a factor.

    The Republicans spent 2 years whipping up their base and ignoring moderates, while the Dems spent 2 years governing for moderates and cooling off their base.

    It's possible that only one of these parties will turn out to be the reality party.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 04:37:49 AM PDT

  •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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    1. Crap - it was the basically the GOP base being astroturfed into action for the last general election in combination with Ron Paul supporting libertarian nutjobs.
    1. Oh the vast majority are racist all right. The only point of discussion is the degree.
    1. I would agree with that.
    1. Some truth in that but very much a double edge sword. The tea party has hardened the base but lost support at the softer edges i.e. the GOP will come out of this with more committed but smaller numbers. They will keep the 20% batshit crazy segment of the US population but they will lose the rest and that will always leave them a few percentage points short of a majority.
    1. It already has - it has pulled the GOP party to a point where, if we had a media that was even half decent, the GOP wouldn't see power for two decades as their positions are untenable.

    The Teabaggers are the GOP base

    by stevej on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 04:44:34 AM PDT

  •  It's wrong to speak of "The Tea Party" (3+ / 0-)
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    as if it's a single thing with a national leadership and coherent goals.

    There are at least four organizations that can stake a claim to be the national voice of the teabaggers, plus another half a dozen that have websites pretending to be the national voice of the teabaggers. One was started by California Reagan-era Republicans, one was started by Dick Armey's lobbying firm, one was started by some sleazy lawyer (as a for-profit group), one was started as an umbrella organization/federation of local groups.

    But there are a lot of local groups, each with its own agenda and political platform. And tea parties tend to attract the truly crazy people (birthers, truthers, religious dominionists, tenthers, KKK/Aryan nations, and so on.

    ---

    My reaction to two of the "myths" listed:

    3. Sarah Palin is the leader of the tea party.

    I think that's false. The teabaggers don't have a leader. And there isn't a national organization (or rather there are way too many) and there isn't a national platform that spells out their beliefs.

    4. The tea party hurts the GOP.

    I think that's absolutely true.

    There's an old saying (I think it goes back to Nixon or even before) that Republicans run to the right in the primary and then run back to the center in the general election.

    Teabaggers will never run back to the center.

    Candidates like Paul in KY and Angle in NV have run so far to the right they've gone over the edge into crazy land. Which will hurt the GOP. And that's just fine with me.

    "You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment." - PM Francis Urquhart (BBC's "House of Cards")

    by Dbug on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 06:00:32 AM PDT

  •  Teabaggers are sad little retards. (0+ / 0-)

    Truth be told, we should feel sorry for them, not hate them. But we do have to fight them, because retards are dangerous and they should never be allowed get into the driver's seat ever again.

    •  I have a real problem (0+ / 0-)

      with "retards". In fact, I'm tempted to HR this comment.

      Maybe you haven't spent enough time here to know that we don't use that kind of language. Fuck, yes. That other word, no.

      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 12:46:43 PM PDT

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      •  Fuckturds, then. (0+ / 0-)

        I tend to get loose with the use of the word "retards" but that's only because I don't think of those with genuine medical conditions or birth defects as retards.

        It's kinda like the Swastika. I paint it on my doorstep every Diwali and I don't do it because I'm a Neo-Nazi.

  •  David Weigel (4+ / 0-)
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    is as clueless as the teabaggage itself. Michelle Bachmann may be the leader of the teabaggers and when she goes off to her new lobbying job they will die as well. Let's all help that happen.

    Help elect Tarryl Clark.

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    Tip and rec the election diaries. Let's build momentum starting now.

    by reddbierd on Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 07:26:46 AM PDT

  •  I think the Tea Party... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...does hurt the GOP, because it more or less forces Republicans to nominate not the best candidates, but the most ideologically pure ones. They mostly work within the GOP, yes, but they force the Republicans to nominate people far outside of the mainstream.

  •  The baggers are the radical wing of the (3+ / 0-)
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    Republican party that has always existed. It is arguably a larger part than ever before, but certainly not new. The Republican hierarchy keeps them under control when it is in power. It does that by not funding rabble rousers, and keeping its media outlets and think tanks from riling them up. But that changes when the Republicans are out. Last year was a classic example. Fox was unleashed and Armey and others were given funds to finance them. We saw the same when Clinton was elected.

    I think the funding may be cut back now because the monster is doing damage to its creator.

    Weigel is a real disappointment. He has been wrong far more than right of late.

  •  They showed up at my Congressman's town hall on (2+ / 0-)
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    healthcare issues. They also asked very off topic questions about the deficit. Teabaggers like to waste everyone else's time. The rest of us were there because we had questions about COBRA, medicare, medicaid. I bet the Teabaggers never showed up at a Curt Weldon event to protest the trillion dollars we started spending in Iraq. They just show up to Sestak events where he tries to discuss real issues (Like HEALTHCARE and employment).

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