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It's popcorn time again. Usually, there's nothing like a good blog war on the left to get those mouse clicks spiking. Back in my day (when I used to have to climb uphill, barefoot, in THE SNOW to log on and post a snarky comment or two here) we had Armando and The One Who Shall Not Be Named to fight over. Now Jane at FDL is most often the one who is the internal enemy screwing it up for the rest of us.

But once in a while all the infighting is put aside as we see someone important in the real world say something that may or may not be directed at us. While typing furiously away at the keyboard over why our former blogging buddy has really lost leave of his senses this time, we look up and say "Hey, that SOB was talking to ME!" And presto - we have somebody new to be mad at. Somebody important!

So we put aside our petty differences, grab our poor tired virtual pitchforks, and prepare to battle our next foe. Robert Gibbs has really done it now...

But we're misreading who Gibbs was talking to with his comments. He wasn't talking to anyone here, but those in the 'professional left' certainly see what he was getting at. And they are hopping mad and not gonna take it anymore.

Over at Balloon Juice, John says it better...

I maintain that the remarks from Gibbs were pretty damned stupid and unhelpful, but after a day of reading my twitter feed, I’ve had it up to here with the wailing and gnashing of teeth from, well, the professional left. Is there anything more pathetic than a group of people who so desperately need validation that any remark from the WH that seems to diss them will start a multi-day pity party? Even crazier, most of these people are bloggers- OH NOES! SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING MEAN ON THE INTERNET! Grow up.

John of course is an ex-R who finally couldn't take how nutso crazy 'jump the shark over every little thing' the GOP became over the past 10 years to join our team. So he knows over-reaction when he sees it.

He goes on to say:

...as I sit here waiting for special Ed to douse himself with gasoline and set himself on fire in a teary farewell to his MSNBC audience to protest the remarks by Gibbs, I’m wondering what exactly would have made the very vocal few happy.

Heh.

Gibbs is playing a bit with fire somewhat when he attacks the likes of Ed Schultz and others who complain A LOT about the administration. These folks have their own shows and they can go on for days and weeks and years if they want to.

But to me the key word from Gibbs was 'professional'. He's going after those who make a living stoking the passions of those of us in the real world. Many folks who post here are taking it personally. But Gibbs isn't talking to you. He's challenging the pundits who get paid to be on our side to be more on the administration's side.

He did it poorly. Realy, truly poorly. And it's not going to work. He's obviously poked the hornet's nest after hearing what KO had to say tonight. I figure Gibbs will be paying for his comments for a very long time.

But he wasn't talking to you.

And he certainly wasn't talking to me. But in the mean time, pass the popcorn.

Originally posted to Stranger in a strange land on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 02:45 AM PDT.

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  •  We know who "the professional left" is (10+ / 0-)

    Moore.  Arrianna.

    Those kooks who say stupid things and fight for crap we don't care about, right?

    What have THEY ever done to deserve to represent what I think to the people in power, since there's no fucking way in hell a president would ever actually sit down and read MY email?

    Nothing.

    Right?

    Bullshit.

    That spittle may have been aimed at Michael Moore.  But it went right in my face.

    •  Gibbs said about those who say Obama is exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      madmsf, amk for obama, BabetheBlueOx

      the same as Bush. That's not only nutz, that's what cost Al Gore the Presidency. It took enough off his edge to make the election easy to steal.

      There are a few other things that some of the loudest have said, repeatedly, that are really looney. I am not going to waste my time going into any because that is just off topic — and would start a flame war all aimed at me. No thanks.

      I happen to know he has a lot of respect for Moore. As for Ariana ... her championing of the anti vaxers and a few of insanities has resulted in my not having a lot of respect for her overall. She is pretty good on talk shows though.

      Once again people take one thing and use it to imagine up a whole lot of slurs. You are defining Moore as who would be in Gibbs mind.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... I'm asking you to believe in yours. Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 04:04:02 AM PDT

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    •  ED Schulz proclaimed (2+ / 0-)
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      kafkananda, BabetheBlueOx

      the 'Glenn Beck' of the left by more than a few tweeters of hard core Democrats at Net roots nation, believe me! AND it wasn't a pretty sight either, old Ed was proclaimed by more than a few to be one to NOT watch.

      Then we had Van Jones to come on after old Ed to say this:

      Van Jones To Netroots: Quit Beating Up On Obama

      Van Jones

      AND it is MORE than Arianna, Moore, it goes farther, much farther and extensive than people on the think this back lash againt the 'professional left'.

      As old Olbermann trashed Obama last night Tee Vee stations were being changed to get away from his venemous attacks, beleive me. Rachel as well, many have just had it with their constant negativity.

      Please vote Democratic in November. If the GOP wins we will all be forced backward another decade, who wants that?

      by Wary on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 04:33:17 AM PDT

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  •  The left has hated Obama from the very beginning (3+ / 0-)

    I don't care what the so called left does franky I don't like them either.

  •  The money quote of that cole piece (9+ / 0-)

    But I will belly crawl over broken glass while someone pours lemon juice and rubbing alcohol on me to vote for the Democrats in November.

    Fox news is ad hominem and ad populum ad nauseum.
    A Presidency among the Vuvuzelas.
    Only palin can sound like a vuvuzela while twittering.

    by amk for obama on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 03:05:36 AM PDT

  •  If Gibbs was targeting ED, I can understand why.. (7+ / 0-)

    Ed Shultz is a shrieker with a post-adolescent voice. His message gets lost in 'bombasticism.  Gibb's statement was badly put, and the professional left does need to hold the Administration accountable to do the things Obama said he would do, but geez, I really hate shrieking.

  •  ridiculous analysis (4+ / 0-)
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    justmy2, beemerr, maryabein, JesseCW

    Why is it that when Glenn Beck says "boo!' the admin fire Shirley Sherrod, but the "proffessional left"--whatever that means--gets treated with contempt?

    Obama won with a big majority. He had a mandate for change and he had massive congressional majorities. Yeah, I understand about the Senate. But at every step the admin has started from a position of already having given half the game away.

    We told them the stimulus was too small. We told them unemployment should be priority one. So now it's OUR fault? It's like blaming the guy who warned you your house was on fire.

  •  Look at the rec list (3+ / 0-)
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    madmsf, k9disc, Sandino

    Yes there was an Internet storm yesterday.

    Maybe someone should consider how to leverage that energy instead of constantly attempting to demonize it.  Especially when those with that energy are not trying to mislead the Administration.

    They are picking a fight with the wrong people.

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 03:35:29 AM PDT

  •  I didn't get into the stir about Gibbs. (1+ / 0-)
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    maryabein

    I can tell you this and I'm sure it holds true for others; all unresolved issues tend to surface with the event of every new issue.  

    When Gibbs made that remark, it was Emanuel's remarks that I was hearing again.  Sit down and shut up until we want your money and support to get re-elected.  That's why it it was about me personally.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 03:49:32 AM PDT

    •  Source? You just made that quote up (1+ / 0-)
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      amk for obama

      or took it from someone that did. He never said that. And your making up shit is the type of thing that makes things worse for every one — except the Repubs.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... I'm asking you to believe in yours. Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 04:10:18 AM PDT

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  •  Yeah, I don't get it either. (5+ / 0-)

    Gibbs referred to "professionals" and specifically excluded the "netroots".

    So, since I don't get paid for my political activism how could I possibly think he was talking about me?

    Lisa

    All Kossacks are my allies, but if you can't express your thoughts in a civil and kind manner, I won't be engaging in a conversation with you.

    by Boston to Salem on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 03:58:40 AM PDT

    •  Lots of people on this site, and sites like it, (2+ / 0-)
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      probably aspire to be Professional Leftists . .  .  (heck, who wouldn't want to be like Kos and stumble into a blogging situation that's worth $25 million?).

      So, just like when "tax the rich" rhetoric scares people because they anticipate being rich someday (no matter how monumentally naive that expectation is), attacking the "Professional Left" scares alot of us because we unconsciously hope to be in that boat someday as well.   Or something like that.

  •  re John Cole (4+ / 0-)

    (+ Rosie)

    Rosie doesn't seem to do nuance, but we, as humans, could possibly give it a try, instead of aching so much for the hourly/daily/weekly/ means to express our outrage with this very, very frightening world we have going on here.

    I never thought I would think this, but, yeah, I do.

    If it's Gibbs, it's not that iceberg, the Russian fires, the 100 degree temps, et al. And yet we still have to hold Gibbs and anyone who misspeaks accountable,
    while still fact-checking to understand context and, well, the facts.

    A poet's work is to name the unnameable, to point at frauds, to take sides, start arguments, shape the world, and stop it going to sleep. ...Salman Rushdie

    by begone on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 04:01:26 AM PDT

  •  Blogs usually make money for the owner (0+ / 0-)

    of the site from advertising.  

    It may be if Gibbs sees criticism on the internet or TV he considers it all professional left.

    We would all be better served, if the white house democrats would take a good look at what they are doing and adjust to the left.

  •  Looks like this is the only thread worth reading (1+ / 0-)
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    madmsf

    this morning. What a waste of time. Olbermann wasted 20 expensive minutes on this stupidness.
    Obama is held to a different standard. NPR this  morning gave a negative report about drilling and moratoriums.
    Said he changed his mind and cant please everyone in a sour droning tone. Never would they have reported Bush this way.
    But use your head. what would you do in the face of such a disaster?

  •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

    The overreaction by the left is ridiculous.  I'm so sick of whiny ass liberals, I want a Republican in charge.

    I don't care if we invade Iran, the estate tax gets permanently repealed, and whatever else may happen.  

    Anything to shut liberals the fuck up about how ignored they are and how they have a magic plan to make everything better, but nobody ever listens to them.

    I mean what's the magic plan?  Everyone join a union? The government run major parts of the economy?  Restrictive trade barriers?

    India had restrictive trade policies and the government running major enterprises and all this led to was a complacent, lazy ass private and public sector, which didn't work for people and a stagnant economy.

    Anyway...rant over...

    •  And when you get what you want (1+ / 0-)
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      neroden

      you can blame the people who didn't want to compromise their principles.

      Take a hike, troll.

      I haven't forgotten The Path to 9/11, Disney. You're still dead to me.

      by beemerr on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 04:53:00 AM PDT

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      •  Please tell me about the liberal utopia? (0+ / 0-)

        Seriously, please tell me how the liberal utopia, which apparently no one in politics cares to implement, will be so much better than what we have now?

        Apparently President Obama's a right-wing sell out, so please do tell what a real liberal will do and how it will work?

        I've seen the effects of a highly regulated market economy, with trade barriers and government run enterprises, in India, and it was not good.  

        Free trade got us very reliable Japanese cars, which forced the quality of our cars to improve across the board, which has been a benefit for consumers.

        Deregulating telecommunications lowered prices and provided various services, which weren't available before the break-up of AT&T (really, does anyone pine for the days of "Ma' Bell"?).

        The repeal of Glass-Steigall didn't portend the doom of the financial system.  Outside of Citigroup, Glass-Steigall wouldn't have stopped Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and Bear Stearns from self-destructing, because they were all traditional investment banks and never got into commercial banking.

        What exactly is the liberal agenda?  I hear a lot of angst over Glass-Steigall, the public option,  but the country has drifted leftward over the last 200 years.  What were once very radical, liberal, goals such as the abolition of slavery, woman's suffrage, expanding the eligibility of "commoners" to vote, racial integration, equal rights for women (i.e. single women being able to get home loans, for example), environmental protection laws, the minimum wage and other things have all become pretty entrenched in society today.

        Hell, gay people are on the verge of getting full legal marriage rights and the right-wingers aren't going full tilt crazy and making Constitutional amendments banning gay marriage a center piece of the 2010 election.  Right-wingers know most Americans will adjust to the idea of gays getting married, just like they adjusted to interracial marriage.

        I just don't get what liberals are so touchy about. Over the history of this country, liberalism has been beating conservatism in determining the direction America takes.

        •  The Commodity Futures Modernization Act (2+ / 0-)
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          backed by Phil Gramm, exempted credit default swaps from state insurance law and state gambling laws.  (Otherwise they would have been subject to both, as they should have been.)

          That allowed them to be used for 'bear raid' speculative attacks on bonds to force them to be downgraded in order to get CDS payoffs....

          ....which is how Lehman went bankrupt, and the mechanism for Merrill and Bear's collapses too.

          That is the crucial piece of legislation.  It has not been fixed.  Therefore we are quite likely to have the same financial disaster all over again.

          To give you a very specific answer on a topic I do know about.

          -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

          by neroden on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:40:41 AM PDT

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        •  As for gay marriage? (0+ / 0-)

          We got that because of the uncompromising people who insisted on NOT settling for compromises.  Look the history up.  :-P

          It works on other issues too, which is some of us have been trying to get more loud, uncompromising people.

          -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

          by neroden on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:42:54 AM PDT

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  •  I'm really glad that Cole... (5+ / 0-)

    came over to our side a couple of years ago.  I began reading his blog while he was still a Republican only because he seemed to be one of those rare "sane Republicans" that were left in the country.  I watched him evolve gradually to his current position. I think his take on much of the sniping and bitching back and forth amongst the left is very close to my own position.

  •  Long, long time (0+ / 0-)

    Hey Stranger, good to see you again. I hope you and yours are well.

    I agree that Gibbs' "inartful" commentary was directed to a select few rather than a broad group, and that taken as an isolated incident is pretty much a meta tempest in a mediasphere.

    On the other hand, I also see this incident as part of a larger trend that is indeed more widespread and troubling, as one of the Dean inspired grassroots left oriented wing of this political alliance called the Democratic Party. I see the recreation of barriers that exclude, that obscure the view rather than provide sunlight and transparency. I see the dismissal of a 50 state approach with a return to the machinery that gave us plenty of defeat in the 1990's. I see the marginalization of whole segments of this coalition based on pragmatic assumptions, where Partisanship trumps Principles.

    Though I know Gibbs wasn't speaking to me, a mere unprofessional leftist activist peon, what he said was part of a larger pattern or continuum with this Administration. It reinforces the barriers being built between me a constituent and open transparent political representation in the Nation's capitol. We've worked very hard to move those barriers in the last ten years. It is a real bummer to see them so strongly defended by our own side.

    It diminishes the tenuous alliance at a time that all alliances, not barriers, require reinforcement.

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