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Congratulations to the Senate, for demonstrating the link between responsibly addressing climate change and building the economy. As reported by Reuters:

Alternative energy investment prospects have shriveled in the United States after the U.S. Senate was unable to break a deadlock over tackling global warming, a Deutsche Bank official said.

"You just throw your hands up and say ... we're going to take our money elsewhere," said Kevin Parker in an interview with Reuters.

Parker, who is global head of the Frankfurt-based bank's Deutsche Asset Management Division, oversees nearly $700 billion in funds that devote $6 billion to $7 billion to climate change products.

Thanks to the brilliance of the Senate, Parker will be looking to invest in China and Europe, where policymakers are looking to the future, which the U.S. isn't. As Jed Lewison noted, the new Congressional state aid package is being funded, in part, by slashing $1.5 billion from renewable energy programs, which is like buying a hungry man some fish by selling a fishing rod.

Meanwhile, someone is setting an example of how to transition an economy to clean energy. Sometimes doing what is right at home is the way to demonstrate international leadership. This comes from the New York Times, on Tuesday:

Nearly 45 percent of the electricity in Portugal’s grid will come from renewable sources this year, up from 17 percent just five years ago.

Land-based wind power — this year deemed "potentially competitive" with fossil fuels by the International Energy Agency in Paris — has expanded sevenfold in that time. And Portugal expects in 2011 to become the first country to inaugurate a national network of charging stations for electric cars.

"I’ve seen all the smiles — you know: It’s a good dream. It can’t compete. It’s too expensive," said Prime Minister José Sócrates, recalling the way Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, mockingly offered to build him an electric Ferrari. Mr. Sócrates added, "The experience of Portugal shows that it is possible to make these changes in a very short time."

Portugal, a country that is suffering some of the worst impacts of Europe's economic crisis. And despite a short-term increase in electricity costs. President Obama's goal is to have 20 to 25 percent of U.S. electricity produced from renewable sources by 2025, which may be optimistic, given the ease with which renewable energy programs are being eviscerated. By comparison, IHS Emerging Energy Research says Ireland, Denmark and Britain will be getting at least 40 percent of their energy from renewable sources by that same year. At the same time, federal agencies in the U.S. have been studying how to expand the use of the illusory "clean" coal. The Washington Independent has this exciting news:

The report calls on the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, the Department of the Interior and the Treasury Department to provide recommendations on the issue by late 2011. In the meantime, the report gives a number of potential solutions to the liability dilemma. They include limiting future liability claims, creating an fund into which companies would pay to cover potential claims and the transfer of liability to the federal government.

Limiting corporate liability, while transferring it to the government. Sound familiar?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:16 AM PDT.

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  •  When our history is written (29+ / 0-)

    The past 40 years of Congressional stupidity will be used as a sign post for the destruction of a civilization.

    "One cannot speak glibly of 'policy differences' and 'looking forward' and 'distraction' when corpses are involved." John Sifton

    by Granny Doc on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:17:49 AM PDT

  •  Senate did something positive? by accident? LOL (1+ / 0-)
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    80 % of success is just showing up. GOP Senate minority controls legislation in House & Senate & they pay no political price. Game-Set-Match

    by Churchill on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:19:20 AM PDT

  •  a broken clock is right twice a day (1+ / 0-)
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    80 % of success is just showing up. GOP Senate minority controls legislation in House & Senate & they pay no political price. Game-Set-Match

    by Churchill on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:19:46 AM PDT

  •  Surprise. A System of Government Designed For (20+ / 0-)

    vast frontier surpluses is unable to deal with shortages.

    From here on the societies more adapted to conditions of shortages and constraints, and placing greater emphasis on the needs of society vs individual liberties than ours, will advance the fastest.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:20:17 AM PDT

  •  Portugal is beating the USA? WTF? sadly true (12+ / 0-)

    80 % of success is just showing up. GOP Senate minority controls legislation in House & Senate & they pay no political price. Game-Set-Match

    by Churchill on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:22:16 AM PDT

  •  I see you are using "brilliant" (7+ / 0-)

    in the mocking way our friends in the UK to refer to pathologically stupid actions. It is the perfect word for the zombies in the Senate.  

    Tea Party = Racist, Rapacious Republicans

    by DWG on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:26:43 AM PDT

  •  Windmills in Portugal? (12+ / 0-)

    Isn't that Kossak Jerome's project?

    Monitor the investment dollars and that will show you where the jobs are.  'Cuz they ain't coming here.

    Does Aqua Buddha wear Aqua Velva or is he an Old Spice man?

    by RichM on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:26:48 AM PDT

  •  The U.S. Senate is the most despicable (2+ / 0-)
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    sapper, snoopydawg

    and anti-democratic organization on Earth. The Democratic Party is worse.

    TAX THE RICH! They have money! I'm a Democrat. That's why!

    by ezdidit on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:26:58 AM PDT

  •  Best and the brightest. (5+ / 0-)

    How could anybody dis these sorts of astute public servants.

    Leadership, foresight, in touch with what's happenin' -  them's our lee-durs.

    I have recently been plagued with the notion that my home is absolutely ideal for as fat set of solar panels.

    I have my house and a large outbuilding with a 40 foot long roof. I have room for a number of 'em. And a place to set up the equipment.

    Spray tons of carcinogens into the ocean to hide petroleum spewed from a hastily-drilled hole from a greedy corporation, but don't smoke pot.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:27:19 AM PDT

  •  Meanwhile energy stimulus funds go unspent (9+ / 0-)

    The recession is lingering, and so is the unspent stimulus money that was meant to help end it.

    The latest example is the $3.2 billion that Congress voted in February 2009 as part of an economic stimulus package to simultaneously provide jobs and improve energy efficiency through block grants to states and cities.

    Only about 8.4 percent of the money had been spent by the beginning of this month, according to an audit released on Friday by the inspector general of the Energy Department, and it has produced or saved only about 2,300 jobs as of the second quarter of this year.

    The program was to provide money for the purchase of better lighting or heating and cooling equipment for buildings like city halls and schools. But it is off to the same slow start as a bigger program that was initiated at the same time to weatherize the homes of low-income people around the country. An audit of that program in February, also by the  inspector general, found that only $368.2 million of $4.73 billion, or less than 8 percent, had been spent.

    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/...

    Pathetic.

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:28:20 AM PDT

  •  US corporations cost US money (8+ / 0-)

    a few years back, I sold my inefficient, gas-guzzling 2000 Chevy Astro van to raise the money to buy an efficient, gas-sipping 1996 Subaru wagon. On the way to the tags and title jawn (i live in PA, nothing is easy), i was listening to NPR's "Marketplace", which was discussing all the nifty American inventions that were rejected by corporate leaders, and instead sold to japanese, chinese, and european companies.

    The flat screen TV, for example, was invented by a clever fellow at Zenith (IIRC). The company saw no need for such a contraption. OOPS.

    Same with the plasma TV. And something to do wityh solar power, and wind power too (IIRC), and there was a whole list of inventions I can't remember.  

    What i do remember was that the hosts claimed that US corporations' resistance to change and progress has cost our nation billions.  So I'm not surprised by this. I'm going to call my senator and make fun of him for being a dope.

  •  OT--Breaking (1+ / 0-)
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    CNN: Defense Secretary Robert Gates to retire in '11

    No link yet

    •  just in time (3+ / 0-)
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      BOHICA, Phil S 33, coffejoe

      to join petraeus in protesting any move to pull out of afghanistan?

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:33:05 AM PDT

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      •  I don't know on that, but Gates has done a decent (1+ / 0-)
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        job---IMO.

        •  He hasn't been bad, we could have done better (0+ / 0-)

          It's my belief that in attempting to minimize loud second guessing from the Village, the President retained Gates instead of naming some recognizable Democrat with unimpeachable "Defense Cred": Sam Nunn, Chuck Robb, Larry Korb immediately come to mind.

          But I advocated naming Secretary Clinton to the Pentagon rather than to Foggy Bottom. Sure, on the flow chart SoS is "more important" , but the actual job of SoS vs SoD? Defense is has much greater impact on several levels hands down.

          And it would have been an incredibly thick "glass ceiling" that would have been broken.

          Anyone who doesn't think HRC could have capably handled the job really hasn't been paying attention.

          "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

          by Egalitare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 08:42:03 AM PDT

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  •  The U.S. elite have made their choice (0+ / 0-)

    It's the financial industry, unto death if need be.  It's the only place they can hope for the ROIs they need.

    I am slightly in favor of clean coal, however.  It appears to me that the existing coal plants we have are never, ever going to be shut down.  We can no longer afford to replace them.  So maybe we can reduce the CO2 somewhat.

    •  I heard that there is no such thing as clean coal (1+ / 0-)
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      Laurence Lewis

      Why can't the people who run coal mines start shifting to renewable energy, or maybe build some factories that produce more efficient wind energy devices?  For heaven's sake, just do it!

      There are lots of things we might not want to do, but when we have to, we do it.  We need someone to produce less expensive solar panels so that millions of people who need a new roof will put solar up there and do it quickly.  I would do it if the cost went down, or if I could get a tax break.

      What's happened to us?  Do we want to live in the past forever?

      •  There's a good chance (0+ / 0-)

        for cleaner than we've got retrofits, as opposed to totally clean new stuff.  The syllogism seems pretty obvious to me:

        We reduce CO2 starting about now, or else.

        We can't build anything fast enough to do the above, because of our farting around.

        Therefore, we should try some stopgaps on what we have.

      •  You are right. (2+ / 0-)
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        I heard that there is no such thing as clean coal

        A coal-burning power plant with Carbon Capture and Sequestration (CCS) (incorrectly called "Clean Coal") will only produce about 3/4 of the electricity that a coal-burning power plant without CCS will produce, because of the energy needed to do the capturing and storing.  So the company running the plant will have to charge more for the power in order to cover their expenses and make a profit.  In other words, it will be too expensive.  Renewable energy, about half wind and most of the rest PV and solar thermal, would be cheaper than "Clean Coal".  And that's WITHOUT accounting for the disposal of coal ash as the toxic waste that it is!

        I would do it if the cost went down, or if I could get a tax break.

        Start saving money now!  Within five or six years, PV power will be about the same cost as retail electricity from the power company.  After that, PV will be cheaper.  And between now and then a tax break might be authorized.  Plan ahead, aim at four or five years from now.  In the meantime, work on reducing your electrical usage.  

        Renewable energy brings national security.

        by Calamity Jean on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 02:22:49 PM PDT

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  •  I am beginning to long (7+ / 0-)

    for the good old days when our Founding Congressmen beat the shite out of each other with chairs and canes and then challenged each other to a duel.  Desparate measures are needed when we are governed but incompetent morans.

    "We think the truth is bad enough. It obviously is." -- Fishgrease

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:30:53 AM PDT

  •  Portugal's democratic socialist president rocks (5+ / 0-)

    And it looks like Europe's democratic socialism is the best model for moving forward at this time.

    Gotta love it when a guy who previously was minister for the environment later becomes their Prime Minister.

    I think I'll spend my fall vacation there and support their model.  It'll be nice to know that nearly half of the electricity that I use when on vacation is coming from renewables.

    Plus they decriminalized Cannabis a while back, which is nice when you're vacationing at the beach.  :p

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

    by Lawrence on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:33:13 AM PDT

    •  Socrates isn't a Democratic Socialist (3+ / 0-)

      he is a Socialist.  Partido Socialista.  

      And yes he does rock.  Has a cool name too.

      If you do decide to go visit, let me know.  I can tell you the hot spots and maybe you could even spend a few days at our house.  It's about 20 minute drive from the beach.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:40:40 AM PDT

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      •  How about real estate prices in Portugal? (0+ / 0-)

        Something smallish with a vegetable garden on a hill with access to groundwater ... ?

      •  Most European socialist parties (0+ / 0-)

        are Democratic Socialists.  And I always call them that because in the U.S. many don't seem to understand that socialist and democratic go hand in hand in Europe.  So many people still have that Soviet Bloc boogeyman from the cold war era jumping around in their head.

        Plus, I'm going by the stated guiding principles of their party, which is "a party that seeks in Democratic Socialism the solution to national problems and to the socioeconomic challenges of our times, and strongly defends democracy".

        Btw, I think that Germany's former environmental minister, a social democrat, is likely to become the next chancellor... would be pretty cool.

        Thanks a bunch for that very generous offer to advise me in regards to the Portugal trip.  I'll definitely take you up on that if I go, as I really don't know much about Portugal.  I've been to Spain and France, but never to Portugal.

        "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

        by Lawrence on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 11:28:01 AM PDT

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        •  Political parties in Portugal (1+ / 0-)
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          The reason I pointed that out to you is because Portugal also has a party called the Partido Social Democrata or PSD for short that can be confused with Democratic Socialists but is in actuality nothing more than our DLC wing of the Democratic Party.  They're considered center/center right.  They were actually formed by many of the more left leaning remnants of the fascist regime.  The brightest of them, Sa Carneiro, actually died in a plane crash a few years after the party was formed (originally it was the PPD or Partido Popular Democratico).

          The Socialist Party is equivalent to the more traditional European Democratic Socialists but in reality, as my dad a proud PSD member until his death would always say, they're nothing more than ashamed communists.  Over the years they have drifted a little to the right as the Communist Party and other parties which now comprose the Left Block have pushed them.  Today they're more mainstream and are center left.  25 years ago they were left.

          The interesting thing is that they are the majority party and here they would be Bernie Sanders.  They have done truly revolutionary things like legalizing abortion and gay marriage.  This is in a country that every August sees it's people walking in pilgrimmage to Fatima where they then kneel and walk on their knees the last several meters to the cathedral.  Very Roman Catholic country and yet they're more progressive than we are here.  

          Let me know if you do go.  I suggest that any visit to Portugal should include a several day visit to Oporto and that you include a a trip up to wine country.  You can buy an all day package for a hundred bucks or so which will take you up the mountains in a train where you have lunch then you take a yacht ride down the River Douro to Oporto.  All the while you're eating and drinking wine. Oporto is beautiful and you especially have to visit the wine cellars on the other side of the river in Villa Nova da Gaia.  They literally give you free samples of Port wine.  You can also visit the Se Cathedral or old Cathedral while you're there, and if you go at the right time you can even catch a game of soccer.  FC Porto is one of teh most popular clubs in Portugal and their facilities are state of the art.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 05:18:25 AM PDT

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  •  Complain about "clean" coal all you want -- (1+ / 0-)
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    I certainly do -- but one thing it does do is alleviate fears of West Virginia and Kentucky coal miners that they will be able to take decent care of their families.

    You want programs that really sell in the US, you move aggresively to ensure not just that some green jobs will be created, but that people who can take care of their families now will still be able to take care of their families.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:33:36 AM PDT

    •  what you do (6+ / 0-)

      is ensure that the communities that will be hurt by transitioning to clean energy are the communities where the new clean technologies will be researched and developed, with all the necessary job retraining that entails. you let people know that we, as a national community, will take care of them, and make sure they have opportunities in the new economy.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:39:09 AM PDT

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      •  I never said it was rocket science... (2+ / 0-)
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        R&D centers, factories, etc -- all good.

        What's been missing to date are concrete measures to reassure those whose jobs actually are in danger that they will be able to take good care of their families.

        It's a lot harder than simply saying green jobs will follow, but is essential to breaking down resistance.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:59:16 AM PDT

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    •  So you build factories in W. Va. and Ky. (4+ / 0-)

      The new jobs would also be safer and healthier.

    •  Get Real (2+ / 0-)
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      "Limiting corporate liability, while transferring it to the government."

      Apparently for "clean coal" to survive, it requires that the "Hidden Hand" of Capitalism to remain firmly attached to Uncle Sam's wrist.  

      It has become obvious to the rest of the world that renewables are not only cleaner, but cheaper and make better business sense for the foreseeable future.  

      Sorry, but change does bring pain to some communities.  However as mentioned by others, there is absolutely no reason why these same workers cannot trade a hard hat and shovel for the clean suits worn when building solar arrays or whatever you wear to build windmills.  

      Oh wait... there is a reason why they're stuck digging and dying in coal mines, their Senators, Representatives, and Governors are all bought and paid for by the coal industry! Silly me.

    •  Wyoming happens to be the top coal producer (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      Outproducing WV and Kentucky combined. Additionally both WV and Kentucky seem to have gone past "peak coal" in that far less coal is being extracted from those states than their respective production "highs".

      Coal Production by State

      Kentucky jobs were "leaving" before Clinton was elected. WV jobs while Truman was still in office.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

      by Egalitare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:06:59 AM PDT

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      •  Then add Wyoming. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:18:41 AM PDT

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        •  Wyoming won't lose nearly as many jobs... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...when they reach "peak coal" because those operations are already highly mechanized. MTR has been introduced to Kentucky, WV and the rest of the older coal states to lower costs of getting the remaining coal - and those costs are mostly wages paid miners toiling below the surface.

          Massey is most likely spinning their recent mining deaths as justification to do MORE MTR: far fewer dead miners in the future.

          Of course, it also means far fewer miners period.

          "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

          by Egalitare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:33:48 AM PDT

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  •  I've been saying this for 10 years (12+ / 0-)

    If we don't get serious about alternate energy sources & efficiency the investment, manufacturing, and new tech will all be elsewhere and we can kiss our standard of living good-bye.

    Note to Democratic leadership: I'm all out of carrots, but I still have my stick.

    by Celtic Pugilist on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:34:21 AM PDT

  •  Yeah Portugal (9+ / 0-)

    Some more on Portugal that wasn't stated.

    Since taking over Socrates who is the leader of the Socialist Party has invested heavily in education (mandating English be taught to everyone, mandating laptops to all 3rd graders, etc) and he's invested in infrastructure and alternative energy.

    Wind is big.  I have photos of turbines on the way up to my grandmother's home.  Portugal has invested heavily in not just wind but they're going online with one of the largest solar farms in Europe.  They mandated that all new homes be better insulated and be hardwired for solar panels in addition to other requirements in green building.  

    Portugal also has invested heavily in wave energy and geothermal.  Portugal is known for it's thermal spas and for being a coastal country so it only made sense for it to be invested in those areas.  Acores Islands which in teh Atlantic off Africa and Portuguese (think Hawaii) are almost exclusively powered by geothermal energy.  

    In addition, Portugal has alot of smaller cars that consume less fuel and last year when I was there they had just announced a deal with Fiat to build electric cars in Portugal.  Gas there is about $1.50 a liter or about $5.50 a gallon.  However cars there get twice the mpg on average and they're trying to improve on that.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:37:19 AM PDT

  •  China also (4+ / 0-)

    this time they want to be the leaders....China was behind the industrial and tech booms but not the clean energy.

    Stand your grounds. Espresso yourself.

    by coffejoe on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:41:26 AM PDT

    •  Spain too. (3+ / 0-)
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      The Spanish regions of Castile, Leon, and Galicia (which is gorgeous) produced 70% of their energy from renewables in 2006.  The government now requires that all new construction put in solar for hot water, and there's much more on Wiki.  And Spain also has a very good government run health care system.  Unfortunately, they also had a housing bubble which is causing problems now.  Lots of Europeans retire to Spain, and the housing thing got out of hand.  There were also lots of German investments in real estate that aggravated the situation by contributing to the rise in prices.  One area had so many Brits that they asked the government if they could elect their own mayor.  The answer was no.  

  •  Wanted to buy Green but? (0+ / 0-)

    My wife and I have decided to ditch the old SUV we bought way back when and buy a Green car. But, alas it's all just a  another Kabuki show out here. We found out that beyond buying very expensive hybrids and then only a few exist, there are NO Green cars. Electrics are just talk at this pt. and all the rest are just illusions or in the planning stages.  What it amounts to is all this Green talk by the Obama admin. is just that hot air. Maybe, we can harness all the hot air about this topic and use it to power the country?

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

    by Blutodog on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:43:06 AM PDT

    •  Sorry, (2+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean, Egalitare

      you can't harness the hot air. Hydrogen was Bush's illusion. And while he hyped that for the cameras, Cheney and the oil&gasmen were in secret meetings about how to divide up the middle east.

      •  Cheney et al. (0+ / 0-)

        You know I hated BV$H and Cheney but really how long are u folks going to try and ride on what they did? It's not going to wash this fall anymore. Dems. have had the trifecta for 2 yrs. now and what do we have to show for it? 10% Unemployment etc. In other words nada. Excuses and blame games about BV$H. get over him he's ancient history.

        "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

        by Blutodog on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 12:32:31 PM PDT

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  •  Bipartisanship in action (3+ / 0-)

    Or should that be "inaction"?  

    The Senate/WH needs to quit trying to appeal to the GOP and instead appeal directly to the American people.  (You know, the ones that elected them rather than the other guys.)

    There is no commitment to a comprehensive longterm program.  Instead we have several small initiatives that are funded and defunded at random.  

    A giant oil blowout in the Gulf and what we get from the Administration in the way of comprehensive energy policy is crickets chirping.  Unfucking believable.

    Note to Democratic leadership: I'm all out of carrots, but I still have my stick.

    by Celtic Pugilist on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:43:32 AM PDT

  •  When you have a President who sucks @ politics (2+ / 0-)
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    BOHICA, ezdidit

    ..and craters his party's public support bceuase he made stupid fuckng decision after stupid fucking decision -- yet get the inmates running rthe asylum instead of the administrators and the doctors.

  •  It's The Governance, Stupid (3+ / 0-)

    On reading the Times article, I was struck by the impossibility of doing this in the US. Could you image raising already expensive electric rates by 15% and quickly building new transmission lines.

    No way.

  •  Brilliant essay on darkness, Turkana. Thx. (1+ / 0-)
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    "@RL_Miller has a posse" -- eugene, on Twitter/"I do?" -- me

    by RLMiller on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:57:15 AM PDT

  •  Give everyone with a solar roof a tax break. (1+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis

    If I got some help with the cost, I would seriously think about this.  Although I live in Ct., my house gets loads of sunshine and I have a large roof that could probably give me enough energy with some left over.  Just think what would happen if everyone went to solar for their energy needs.  They have to make it possible for people to put in solar roofs for the same cost as what they have now.

    •  It's still a little more expensive to make (2+ / 0-)
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      Laurence Lewis, JeffW

      electricity with photovoltaic (PV) panels than it is to buy power from the electric company.  Within five or six years, they will be just about equal.  Start putting money aside now, and work on reducing your electric demand.  As the world gets hotter more financing programs may be created between then and now, so having some funds reserved will make it easier for you to jump on it.  

      Renewable energy brings national security.

      by Calamity Jean on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 03:06:58 PM PDT

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  •  # from renewable is the wrong metric (2+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, Egalitare

    since demand reduction, ie conservation, the optimum improvement, doesn't show up.

    Instead, we should be looking at the aggregate number of tons of CO2 emitted.

    Getting our marijuana produ7ction out of closets and under sunlight would conserve the electricity generated by burning 1 million tons of coal per year.

  •  Eviscerated (1+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis

    ... given the ease with which renewable energy programs are being eviscerated.

    After all the hoopla and rhetoric have quieted down, you know if someone is serious about a policy or program by whether or not it gets adequate funding.  Period.

    "An activist court is a court that makes a decision you don't like." Justice Anthony Kennedy

    by planmeister on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 08:22:31 AM PDT

  •  Has Berlusconi (3+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, Granny Doc, Egalitare

    Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, mockingly offered to build him an electric Ferrari.

    not ever heard of a Tesla?

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 08:33:02 AM PDT

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