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For months, the list of professional Leftists who have betrayed this President and the Democratic Party has grown.  Last night, we first had to listen to this outburst from Rachel Maddow

I think it is remarkable how the proponents of this war are getting off easy.

Full video here.

Then we had to endure this diary right here on our own DailyKos.

I'd like to be able to agree. Really, I would.

However, unlike President Obama, I could and did and do doubt Bush's support for the troops, love of country and commitment to our security. And I can wrest no mercy from the bitterness and rage that I feel every time I remember what he and the pack of thugs around him accomplished for the troops, the country and our security.

I cannot and will not turn the page until George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the others in that cabal of scorpions are brought to justice and make amends for Iraq. Which means never. No apology, much less time in the slam. I'll go to my grave knowing Bush and the rest got away with it. In a couple of months, Bush hopes hundreds of thousands of Americans will be turning the pages of his memoir, a book certain to add to the plethora of lies and pathetic, murderous rationalizations with which we became so familiar during the last seven years of his presidency.

What is the matter with these people?  Nothing the President does ever pleases them.

It sent my heart soaring this morning, however, when two pundits known for their good judgment, love of peace and respect for human rights came out strongly supportive of our President's address to the country last night.

In sum, the president seemed to me to go about as far as an anti-Iraq war president could go in praising the war effort: "We have persevered because of a belief we share with the Iraqi people—a belief that out of the ashes of war, a new beginning could be born in this cradle of civilization. Through this remarkable chapter in the history of the United States and Iraq, we have met our responsibility."

As for the second topic—"the ongoing security challenges we face"—the president's discussion of the fight against al Qaeda seemed to me adequate, given that he was not simply going to renounce the July 2011 transition date. "The pace of our troop reductions will be determined by conditions on the ground, and our support for Afghanistan will endure," was about as good as we were going to get...

The close, was, I thought, well done. The president located those who fought in Iraq in the unbroken line of those who, from Lexington to Kandahar, "gave their lives for the values that have lived in the hearts of our people for over two centuries" and who "have fought to see that the lives of our children are better than our own." There was a welcome implicit repudiation of Neville Chamberlain and appeasement, as President Obama praised our troops for having "fought in a faraway place for people they never knew."

And at the end: "Our troops are the steel in our ship of state. And though our nation may be traveling through rough waters, they give us confidence that our course is true, and that beyond the pre-dawn darkness, better days lie ahead." Not a bad tribute to the troops, and not a bad statement of the importance and indispensability of hard power.

And, on the whole, not a bad speech by the president.

This positive review was joined by another:

Last night, President Obama did something amazing.

Now we're talking.  (I checked BWG's diary to see if she had quoted this great review, but somehow she missed it.)

Finally a pundit with a big platform--a NYC newspaper!!!--who knows greatness when he sees it.

He gets into specifics:

Perhaps Obama did not even realize it, but when he said that "as the leader of the free world, America will do more than just defeat on the battlefield those who offer hatred and destruction -- we will also lead among those who are willing to work together to expand freedom and opportunity for all people," he was echoing ideas developed in neoconservative journals over decades of argument about how the United States can best project its power for its own sake and for the sake of the betterment of the world.

When he said that "we must use all elements of our power -- including our diplomacy, our economic strength and the power of America's example -- to secure our interests and stand by our allies," he was speaking in the voice of those neocons who argue that American geopolitical power is enhanced when we use it to bind our friends closer to us.

And when he said that "we must project a vision of the future that is based not just on our fears, but also on our hopes -- a vision that recognizes the real dangers that exist around the world, but also the limitless possibility of our time," Barack Obama was offering a more secular version of George W. Bush's assertion that liberty is not something unique to the American constitution, but is "God's gift to humanity."

And it meant something too that, for the first time, he spoke heartfelt words about his predecessor. "No one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security," Obama said, knowing full well that tens of millions of people did doubt it and many thousands of activists who helped him get elected argued the opposite.

That's the way to stick it to those professional Lefty whiners!!!

Then the big wind-up:

Even more stunning, perhaps, is the fact that Obama was willing to use this nation's involvement in Iraq -- which he had opposed so completely and whose extension in the form of the surge in 2007 he argued against flatly -- as an example of what America can do when it puts its mind to it. "This milestone should serve as a reminder to all Americans that the future is ours to shape if we move forward with confidence and commitment," he said.

These are astonishing words to emerge from the mouth of Barack Obama, who has spent most of his public life and his presidency arguing that it is not the place of the United States to shape the future outside our borders -- that, in fact, such efforts to shape the future have harmed rather than helped this country and the world.

He went further still, issuing a quietly nationalist challenge to the world. The American victory in Iraq "should also serve as a message to the world that the United States of America intends to sustain and strengthen our leadership in this young century."

No wonder he was so nice to George W. Bush last night. The speech sounded like Bush. Not as eloquent or as memorable, but, hey, that's life.

I know what I'm going to be doing.  No more Greenwald.  No more Sirota.  No more Maddow.  I know where to get my news and commentary from now on.

William Kristol and The Weekly Standard.  John Podhoretz and The New York Post.

One thing I can't quite understand, though.  Both of those publications are owned by Rupert Murdoch.  Isn't he the guy that owns Fox?

(Note to Yosef 52: you might want to take Kristol off that list of bad guys.  Apparently, he's on our side now.)

Originally posted to goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 03:53 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (20+ / 0-)

    Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

    by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 03:53:13 PM PDT

  •  I can't even keep it straight anymore (14+ / 0-)

    There are so many levels of sarcasm around this place anymore.  

    I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

    "Can you dance faster than the white clown?"

    by otto on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:01:35 PM PDT

  •  Kristol a real achiever. (13+ / 0-)

    True story about William Kristol told by that lovely human being, his father Irving:

    I remember back in the late '90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers. Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back either during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. "I oppose it", Irving replied. "It subverts meritocracy."

    Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

    by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:10:07 PM PDT

  •  Kristol and whats-his-face are morons (6+ / 0-)

    that get off on pushing the left's buttons, and you fell right into that.

    I don't give a shit what kristol, whats-his-face, or any other neocon has to say on any topic, whether they're praising the President or trashing him as usual.  

    What do their writings have to do with the "professional left's" unprofessional behavior?  Rachael is great, but she feels herself a bit too much at times, like with her fake presidential speech and her whining about W getting off lightly for starting the war.  What did she expect, that Obama would trash W from the Oval Office?  W paid the price for the war in the 2006 elections.  What more does she want?

    I won't even mention the other members of the "professional left", as they are useless other than carrying the GOP's water for them.

    •  But he likes Obama. So does Podhoretz. (8+ / 0-)

      You should give Bill and John a break.

      I think their views on foreign policy are pretty similar to yours.

      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

      by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:13:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's beside the point (2+ / 0-)
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        Obama doesn't care about being liked by Kristol. Obama cares about governing a country.

        Kristol is NOT the first Republican to say something good about Obama, and he won't be last. Colin Powell has also praised Obama. So what?

        Eugene Robinson (left-leaning) also thought the speech was good. His reaction was markedly different from Olbermann and Maddow.

    •  Some here will use any stick to bash this (5+ / 0-)
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      President.  The problem is that some of us are consumed with punishing Bush and Cheney.  They're gone, the country's "up on blocks", and that's the conversation that gets them excited.  Maybe they should focus their efforts on rebuilding this country.  Wallowing in anger is useless.

      "Because I am a river to my people."

      by lordcopper on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:18:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  You and Bill are on the same page. (8+ / 0-)

        And he and Podhoretz point out how Obama even went further and adopted their world view.

        Send them a nice email of thanks.  It's not every pundit who praises the President these days.

        Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

        by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:21:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And as was previously commented, you took the (3+ / 0-)
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          Geekesque, pstoller78, Escamillo

          bait and responded with this POS diary.  You should thank them yourself, since you have the working relationship.

          "Because I am a river to my people."

          by lordcopper on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:27:58 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not bait, but a common enemy. eom (1+ / 0-)
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            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:29:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Enemy? (6+ / 0-)

              It's quite clear that Kristol and Podhoretz consider Obama their friend.  Well, maybe protege is a better word.

              Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

              by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:31:19 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  You're right, I should have said initiative. (1+ / 0-)
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              Geekesque

              "Because I am a river to my people."

              by lordcopper on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:33:06 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  You don't think it's even a tiny bit ironic... (3+ / 0-)
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              that this litany of praise is coming from Kristol and Podhoretz, two of the slimiest of a repulsive lot?

              When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

              by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:54:18 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  It's very hard to be a Dem loyalist... (6+ / 0-)
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                corvo, RiaD, kurt, MrJayTee, nippersdad, PhilJD

                and retain a sense of irony.  It tends to cause short circuits in the brain.

                Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:57:24 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  It does seem to. Geekesque is no blind (0+ / 0-)

                  partisan though; he really does keep his mind open, and criticizes aspects of the Administration's policies with some regularity...

                  so I'm a bit surprised that he seems entirely comfortable with effusive praise for the President from these turds.

                  When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                  by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:05:23 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I don't care about the praise. (2+ / 0-)
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                    This is the game they play.

                    They take stuff Democrats say and claim "See, he agrees with us!  We were right all along. They just conceded the point."

                    It's a form of deception--Kristol and Podhoretz are radical nutjobs.  They take bland pronouncements that are standard talking points in any politician's speech on national security issues and then claim that those words are actually a validation of their philosophy, i.e. anyone who uses that language is validating their philosophy.

                    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                    by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:09:32 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Again, I've not seen these guys do what (0+ / 0-)

                      you describe. The political game is real enough, but they seem all partisan, all of the time. Nor does either strike me as shrewd enough to cynically try to drive a wedge between President and Party.

                      I'm seriously curious, by the way, not at all trying to snark or pick a fight.

                      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                      by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:18:12 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  They praised his firing of McChrystal. (0+ / 0-)

                        Even Mary Cheney did.

                        As did virtually every GOP leader in Congress.

                        But, apparently the diarist feels that saying nice things about US servicepeople is a Neocon value.

                        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                        by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:20:27 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  If Bill Kristol told me I was a superb pet owner, (2+ / 0-)
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                          Geekesque, goinsouth

                          I'd feel constrained to take the pooties back for adoption first thing in the AM.

                          Obviously, the President is responsible for what he says, not for who praises it. I think pointing out the irony in this praise is appropriate though.

                          Didn't know that about Kristol and McChrystal. Thanks.

                          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                          by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:28:04 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  If Bill Kristol wrote that I was a superb (0+ / 0-)

                            pet owner, I wouldn't know because I never read anything the filty motherfucker writes.

                            By the way, Republicans have been latching onto Obama periodically since January 2008.

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                            "Who's not proud of this kid?" says Amanda Carpenter, national political reporter for the conservative site Townhall.com. "He has a story people feel good about."

                            In the wake of Obama's remarks about unity on the night of his Iowa caucus victory Thursday, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman and self-described conservative, called it "one of the most remarkable speeches I've ever seen."

                            Bill Bennett, the conservative author, said on CNN that it was a "remarkable breakthrough" for "Barack Hussein Obama, a black man," to win in a "rural, white farming state." Rush Limbaugh added his voice on the radio, saying that Obama and Mike Huckabee, the Republican winner in Iowa, "had really uplifting, inspirational speeches."

                            The Weekly Standard called Obama "the classiest candidate on the Democratic side." Peggy Noonan, the former Ronald Reagan speechwriter, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Obama had won "with a classy campaign, an unruffled manner, and an appeal on the stump that said every day, through the lines: Look at who I am and see me, the change that you desire is right here, move on with me and we will bring it forward together."

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:34:08 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I know that about Scarborough & Noonan, (0+ / 0-)

                            and others too. Noonan wrote insightfully and well about candidate Obama. Kathleen Parker I think endorsed Obama over McCain.

                            As soon as Kristol opens his mouth about anything though, I'd check my wallet.

                            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                            by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:40:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Kristol is ovewhelmingly negative (0+ / 0-)

                            about Obama.

                            http://www.weeklystandard.com/...

                            Just an example.

                            Google "Keep America Safe" + Obama.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:46:26 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Kristol wasn't negative here. (0+ / 0-)

                            More positive than most Lefty pundits.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:48:49 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Why didn't you include this language: (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            lightshine

                            President Obama opposed the war in Iraq. He still thinks it was a mistake. It's therefore unrealistic for supporters of the war to expect the president to give the speech John McCain would have given, or to expect President Obama to put the war in the context we would put it in. He simply doesn't believe the war in Iraq was a necessary part of a broader effort to fight terror, to change the Middle East, etc. Given that (erroneous) view of his, I thought his speech was on the whole commendable, and even at times impressive.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:54:42 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Copyright concerns. (0+ / 0-)

                            Wouldn't want to quote too much and get the site in trouble.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:56:34 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That is not an honest reply. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Escamillo, lightshine

                            The first paragraph undermines your entire effort to paint Obama as a Neocon because of Kristol's reaction.

                            Omitting it misled readers as to the nature of Kristol's reaction to the speech and the larger meaning to be drawn therefrom.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:59:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You may want to read the parts (0+ / 0-)

                            of Kristol's column the diarist didn't want you to read, i.e.

                            President Obama opposed the war in Iraq. He still thinks it was a mistake. It's therefore unrealistic for supporters of the war to expect the president to give the speech John McCain would have given, or to expect President Obama to put the war in the context we would put it in. He simply doesn't believe the war in Iraq was a necessary part of a broader effort to fight terror, to change the Middle East, etc. Given that (erroneous) view of his, I thought his speech was on the whole commendable, and even at times impressive.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:57:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  Another example: (0+ / 0-)

                        http://www.politico.com/...

                        That would be Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin claiming that Obama is validating their viewpoint.

                        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                        by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:25:34 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                •  No, dearie, I'm just familiar with logic. (0+ / 0-)

                  You are the one in here claiming that the mere fact that Kristol and Podhoretz are praising parts of Obama's rather bland, boilerplate speech is proof that Obama shares their philosophy.

                  Then again, you hate the Democratic party in general, so of course you're going to use inflammatory logical fallacies to further your Naderite agenda.

                  "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                  by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:06:26 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  They are propagandists trying to legitimize (1+ / 0-)
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                and mainstream their own radical views by trying to pass them off as in agreement with Barack Obama.

                They've been playing this game since Obama's 2004 DNC speech, when they talked about how Obama really should be a Republican.

                "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:02:22 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  So they don't really agree? (1+ / 0-)
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                  corvo

                  The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                  by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:04:06 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  The stuff they are reacting too is a combination (0+ / 0-)

                    of cliches and bland pablum.

                    It is not ideological.

                    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                    by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:13:33 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  That's not a very nice thing to say... (1+ / 0-)
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                      about our President's address to the nation.

                      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                      by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:15:16 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  The irony here is astounding. (1+ / 0-)
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                      The critic takes the President's words on Iraq (and the patriotic George W. Bush) seriously, while the loyalist dismisses them!

                      I just can't keep up!

                      The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                      by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:34:31 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I could never be a party loyalist. (1+ / 0-)
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                        MrJayTee

                        I'm just not smart enough to keep up with the doublethink.

                        It must be exhausting.

                        Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                        by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:36:39 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  You couldn't pass a basic logic (0+ / 0-)

                          class either.  So, in a sense, I agree on your comments about your mental capacity.

                          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                          by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:39:40 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  If you make goinsouth cry, I'm gonna be SO MAD! (2+ / 0-)
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                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:49:10 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm in danger of shorting out my keyboard. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            RiaD, MrJayTee

                            My tears are coming fast and furious now.

                            Geekesque is a lot of fun.  Not as much as Armando used to be.  But he's still fun.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:50:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And you remind me of Alegre and Riverdaughter. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Escamillo

                            P.S.  Nice deceptive omission.

                            President Obama opposed the war in Iraq. He still thinks it was a mistake. It's therefore unrealistic for supporters of the war to expect the president to give the speech John McCain would have given, or to expect President Obama to put the war in the context we would put it in. He simply doesn't believe the war in Iraq was a necessary part of a broader effort to fight terror, to change the Middle East, etc. Given that (erroneous) view of his, I thought his speech was on the whole commendable, and even at times impressive.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:54:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Read the FAQs. (0+ / 0-)

                            Copyright issues.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:58:21 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Sorry, not buying it. (1+ / 0-)
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                            You omitted precisely the language in the Kristol post that contradicted your narrative.

                            That's called cherry-picking, and it's a hallmark of intellectual dishonesty.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:00:19 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                •  See how perceptive they are. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                  Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                  by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:05:04 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Are you sure either Kristol or Podhoretz (0+ / 0-)

                  have ever praised the President before, at least to this extent? Other Republicans have, for sure; there's the whole "Obamacan" phenomenon. I don't remember these jerks ever being other than far-right partisan hacks though... but I do run screaming when I see either byline, so I could've missed something.

                  When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                  by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:13:07 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Kristol and Mary Cheney wrote to endorse (0+ / 0-)

                    his decision to fire McChrystal.

                    http://www.weeklystandard.com/...

                    Does that mean firing McChrystal was part of a Neocon plot?

                    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                    by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:15:23 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Maybe they'll endorse Obama in '12. (2+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      MrJayTee, nippersdad

                      Another 50,000 in Afghanistan.

                      Petraeus as VP.

                      A few bombs on Teheran.

                      Broaden that coalition.

                      Who needs the fucking peaceniks?

                      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                      by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:19:28 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Just to be straight: (0+ / 0-)

                        you consider anyone who says nice things about US troops to be a Neocon warmonger.

                        Because that's what you're implying with this diary.

                        I guess, using your level of argumentation honestly, we can assume that you would spit on US troops if you got the chance and call them baby killers.

                        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                        by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:22:17 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Let's perpetuate that myth. (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          MrJayTee

                          Your accusation is couched in terms born of a militarist myth designed to defang antiwar criticism of militarism.

                          Don't forget "stab in the back."  That's a good one too.

                          Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                          by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:25:34 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  You're the one claiming Obama=Kristol (0+ / 0-)

                            and that he wants to bomb Tehran.

                            Because he said nice things about US troops and Neocons agreed with him on those statements.

                            So, either you found the substance of those remarks horribly offensive, or you're just forming a tag-team with other anti-Obama, anti-Democrat propagandists.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:28:04 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Now you're getting desperate. (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            RiaD, MrJayTee, PhilJD

                            and that he wants to bomb Tehran.

                            You're purposely distorting my obvious snark.

                            Kristol and Podhoretz definitely do want to bomb Iran.  Yesterday.

                            Obama could continue to win their good favor if he went along.

                            Even I don't believe he'd do that.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:34:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  When you start relying on Bill Kristol to (0+ / 0-)

                            make claims about Barack Obama, you lose any presumption of snark.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:35:28 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Also, you should probably mention that (0+ / 0-)

                            Obama routinely draws stuff like thisfrom Kristol & Co.

                            Yesterday, President Obama said the Israeli action to stop the flotilla bound for the Gaza Strip was "tragic." What is truly tragic is that President Obama is perpetuating Israel’s enemies’ version of events. The Israeli government has imposed a blockade around Gaza because Hamas remains committed to Israel’s destruction, refusing to recognize Israel’s right to exist and using territory under their control to launch attacks against Israeli civilians. The Israeli blockade of Gaza, in order to prevent the re-arming of Hamas, is in full compliance with international law. Had the Turkish flotilla truly been interested in providing humanitarian aid to Gaza, they would have accepted the Israeli offer to off-load their supplies peacefully at the Israeli port of Haifa for transport into Gaza. President Obama is contributing to the isolation of Israel, and sending a clear signal to the Turkish-Syrian-Iranian axis that their methods for ostracizing Israel will succeed, and will be met by no resistance from America. There is no middle ground here. Either the United States stands with the people of Israel in the war against radical Islamic terrorism or we are providing encouragement to Israel’s enemies—and our own. Keep America Safe calls on President Obama to reverse his present course and support the state of Israel immediately and unequivocally.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:38:14 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  You need to retract (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          RiaD

                          Your accusation about goinsouth and spitting on US troops.

                          Now.

                          The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                          by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:40:43 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Goinsouth is condemning Barack Obama (0+ / 0-)

                            as a Neocon warmonger because he said nice things about US servicepeople.

                            Apparently, goinsouth has a violent repulsion to positive words about US servicepeople.

                            There can be no other logical explanation.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:42:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  There's some of that logic of yours. (0+ / 0-)

                            Very impressive.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:46:04 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm following your example. (0+ / 0-)

                            Since you wrote a diary to bash Barack Obama because some Neocons noted he said nice things about US troops, one can only imagine that the substance of those remarks offended  you.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:47:50 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  Nothing like a Big Tent (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        nippersdad

                        Of warmongering traitors to the working class.

                        I smell Victory!  It's elcetoral GOLD!

                        The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                        by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:38:44 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Warmongering traitors to the working class? (0+ / 0-)

                          To whom are you referring?

                          Kristol is a rabid enemy of the administration.  Anyone with two brain cells will acknowledge this.

                          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                          by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:41:11 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Why, I'm refering to elected officials (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            nippersdad

                            (And their political clients) who escalate useless wars and put the interests of Wall Street above the interests of wage earners.

                            I hope that clarifies.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:43:08 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh, so you're one of the "Obama is evil" (0+ / 0-)

                            crowd.

                            Gotcha.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:45:22 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You should have me banned, then. (0+ / 0-)

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:58:39 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  He would like to. (0+ / 0-)

                            There's this little problem.  First, they have to get rid of the site owner and the site moderator.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:00:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Under the site rules, he's technically a (0+ / 0-)

                            per se troll. As are you.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:08:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Then do your worst. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            RiaD

                            Or wurst, Hot Dog.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:16:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Eh, just pointing out what you are (0+ / 0-)

                            will have to suffice.  Since your explicit goal is to undermine support for the Democratic party, nothing you say here can be taken as offered in good faith.

                            If you were smart, you would probably take some time off between now and November.  Repeatedly attempting to persuade people to not vote for Democrats during election season probably will get you banned.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:18:22 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  So your'e all talk? (0+ / 0-)

                            You have no idea the time being banned would save me!

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:23:36 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  As opposed to armchair revolutionaries such (0+ / 0-)

                            as yourself whose major contribution to the planet was "Bush=Gore."

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:24:55 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh, dear, you have run off the rails. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            goinsouth

                            I never said or even thought such a thing.  You've already quoted me once (and accurately, thanks!), so do it again and show where I said "Bush=Gore".

                            You can, of course, make all the excuses for protecting war criminals you want; in that context, all I can say is Better an armchair revolutionary than an armchair sycophant.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:37:10 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Your agenda is to help Republicans (0+ / 0-)

                            win power.  Because you try to persuade Democrats to abandon their party, but make no such efforts to Republicans.

                            Michael Steele's useful idiot is perhaps a better description for you.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:49:34 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Yes, I would ban third party Naderites (0+ / 0-)

                            such as yourself.

                            This is a Democratic blog, and your purpose is to persuade people to not support Democrats.

                            You're a per se troll under the FAQ.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:01:42 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No, but I will hide-rate you when you slip up (0+ / 0-)

                            and explicitly rather than implicitly try to achieve your goal of helping Republicans take over Congress.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:04:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  My goal of what? (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            RiaD, goinsouth

                            I suppose I should be offended, but taking you seriously is impossible.

                            [makes Obama-esque gesture of brushing off lint]

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:08:03 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Your only purpose here is to try (0+ / 0-)

                            to discourage people from voting for Democrats.

                            http://www.dailykos.com/...

                            I have abandoned the Democratic party, and I urge others to do the same.  Votes and money for people-first candidates only.  The Party Corporatists will use the "lesser of two evils" technique to drive the party further and further right until America disappears.  

                            No more.

                            You are a per se troll under site rules.  You are exactly the kind of Obama-hating, Democrat-undermining cancerous presence that people insist doesn't exist here.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:15:40 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Then what are you waiting for? (0+ / 0-)

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:17:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh, I don't have the power to ban you. (0+ / 0-)

                            But, your agenda indicates you cannot and will not be trusted.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:19:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You won't even report me? (0+ / 0-)

                            Why not?

                            Never liked Nader, BTW.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:25:24 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No, you just parrot his talking points. (0+ / 0-)

                            Functionally, no different from Ralph Malph in terms of being the useful idiot of the RNC.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:51:06 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Only if his talking points include (0+ / 0-)

                            Quit punking for war criminals and take care of working people ahead of Wall Street.  There are many people who share those talking points, also known as "principles".  

                            As an insitutional loyalist, you wouldn't recognize them.  

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:03:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  mmgrmphthahaha! n/t (0+ / 0-)

                            The hippies had it right..it's time..the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology. Morford [http://tiny.cc/hippies]

                            by RiaD on Thu Sep 02, 2010 at 10:54:49 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  He sure is sweet talkin' them, though. n/t (0+ / 0-)

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:44:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No, he said nice things about the troops, (0+ / 0-)

                            not the Neocons.

                            But apparently saying nice things about US troops horrifies you.

                            Why is that?

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:45:01 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  For someone who seems concerned about smears (0+ / 0-)

                            You do go on.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:45:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Distort. Distort. (0+ / 0-)

                            You said Kristol was an implacable enemy of the Administration.  I pointed out that Kristol is sure saying sweet things about Obama to be such an enemy.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:47:11 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You also deceptively excerpted (0+ / 0-)

                            Kristol's comments.

                            Here's how he began his post:

                            President Obama opposed the war in Iraq. He still thinks it was a mistake. It's therefore unrealistic for supporters of the war to expect the president to give the speech John McCain would have given, or to expect President Obama to put the war in the context we would put it in. He simply doesn't believe the war in Iraq was a necessary part of a broader effort to fight terror, to change the Middle East, etc. Given that (erroneous) view of his, I thought his speech was on the whole commendable, and even at times impressive.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:53:19 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  But it would be wrong... (0+ / 0-)

                            to quote the whole piece.  Copyright infringement, you know.

                            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:57:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  So, you chose to not even acknoweldge (0+ / 0-)

                            in summary the part of Kristol's piece where he observes the fundamental difference between the Neocon philosophy and Obama's.

                            That is deceptive authorship.

                            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                            by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:03:07 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  I heard about it... (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    PhilJD

                    from Tweety's show where it was generating quite a bit of comment and some guffaws.

                    Tweety has a new Tweety theory.  Obama is going neocon so he can be a great progressive on domestic policy.

                    Yeah.  Right.

                    Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                    by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:16:58 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

      •  Alas, Bush and Cheney are not gone. (6+ / 0-)

        Their policies are very much in evidence.  And if Cheney seems to have shut up recently, it might be from the realization that Democrats are doing a fantastic job of destroying themselves while leading the country in a bad direction, just as Bush and Cheney did a fantastic job of destroying the Republican party while leading the country in a bad direction (except they took 8 yrs).

        Silvio Levy

      •  'Cause the whole "rule of law" thing is so (6+ / 0-)

        twen-cen...

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:43:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Nations rarely if ever punish their own (0+ / 0-)

          war criminals.

          Jimmy Carter declared solidarity with William Calley.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:55:33 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Another Dem standing up for justice. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            MrJayTee, nippersdad

            I stand in awe.

            Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

            by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:59:06 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Since you claim to read the FAQ, did you (0+ / 0-)

              read the part where trying to convince people to abandon the Democratic party and promote third parties is per se trolling?

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:04:08 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Link, please! (0+ / 0-)

                Or shove it.

                The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:12:19 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  here is a link and text for you to shove (0+ / 0-)

                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  Trolling, defined, is not simply disagreeing with your opinion or the collective site opinion. It is engaging in behavior which is directly contrary to the stated goals of the site -- furthering the progressive Democratic agenda. There are a number of things which very clearly constitute "trolling", and which should be troll rated (and therefore deleted from the conversation) quite legitimately.

                  As I said above, the line between disagreement and trolling often isn't an easy one to define. There are circumstances in which everything a person says is, by the definition for this specific site, trolling. It may even still be civil, but it still may not be relevant to the goals of this site. The goals of this site are specific, and this site, like all sites, has certain rules and objectives.

                  This site is primarily a Democratic site, with a heavy emphasis on progressive politics. It is not intended for Republicans, or conservatives. It is not intended for third parties, either, although it happens that the goals of progressive third parties and progressive Democrats tend to align in mutually beneficial ways. The community, however, is currently self-selected to be a moderate-left, progressive, and almost exclusively Democratic site. That's who Kos tends to focus on; that's the kind of people he chooses as guest editorialists for his site; that's who the site caters to.

                  This is not a site to debate conservative talking points. There are other sites for that. This is not a site for conservatives and progressives to meet and discuss their differences. There are other sites for that, too. This is not a site for discussing how to create a third party. Knock yourself out bitching about the Democrats, but the stated goals of the site are trying to fix them, as a party, not dismantle them.

                  This is a site for progressive Democrats. Conservative debaters are not welcome simply because the efforts here are to define and build a progressive infrastructure, and conservatives can't help with that. There is, yes, the danger of the echo chamber, but a bigger danger is becoming simply a corner bar where everything is debated, nothing is decided, and the argument is considered the goal. The argument, however, is not the goal, here. This is an explicitly partisan site: the goal is an actual infrastructure, and actual results. Put simply, we aren't here as a fully representative slice of the world, we're here as a place for progressive Democrats to hang their hats and get things done.

                  Your agenda is toxic and hostile to that of this site.

                  "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                  by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:23:03 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No, dear. Link where *goinsouth* (0+ / 0-)

                    Tried "to convince people to abandon the Democratic party".  That's who you were responding to.

                    Don't make it too good an example (say, quoting a moral giant like MLK, Jr.) or it might catch on.

                    The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                    by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:28:32 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  You do know... (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      MrJayTee

                      that your sig line is seriously profound.  That is pretty much the grand picture of how the Left is intimidated in America.

                      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

                      by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:44:53 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  Goinsouth has explicitly condemned (0+ / 0-)

                      the Democratic party as a whole as evil, etc etc.

                      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                      by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:50:22 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

                        I've read lots of goinsouth's posts, and I don't remember such.  You quoted me so fast I thought you'd have one on tap.

                        Maybe s/he's on to something?  Integrity, for example.

                        The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                        by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 07:05:39 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Example: (0+ / 0-)

                          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                          by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 11:05:09 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Fail. (0+ / 0-)

                            Nowhere in the linked comments did goinsouth denounce the party as a whole. Infested with "Pro militarism. Pro Wall Street. Anti-union" attitudes, yes, but it was not a denunciation of the party as a whole.  

                            Man, I'd love to come running back into the party's arms, but until capital comes second to people, money and votes for pro-people candidates only.

                            If that burns your cheese, too bad.

                            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                            by MrJayTee on Thu Sep 02, 2010 at 01:52:22 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

          •  Jesus, no wonder Obama's gross enabling of (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            goinsouth

            War criminals--and of future war crimes--doesn't bother you.

            The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

            by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:11:35 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  "Everybody's doin' it, doin' it, doin' it." (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              MrJayTee

              Yes, this is the level we're sinking to at DailyKos.

              Hannah Arendt was so right.  Repeatedly choosing between the lesser of two evils inures one to the idea of evil itself.

              Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

              by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:17:00 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  She also got the "banality" part right, too. (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                goinsouth

                Like she could see into the future of political blogs.  Your Arendt quote is better, though!

                The loyalists will ride their corrupt "lesser of two evils" argument to the end of what's left of American Democracy...then congratulate themselves.

                The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:20:18 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  If you hate Democrats so fucking much, don't (0+ / 0-)

                  troll an explicitly partisan Democratic website.

                  "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                  by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:23:53 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Too much useful information. (0+ / 0-)

                    And too many interesting people who don't have their lips glued to an elected official's arse.

                    The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

                    by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 06:29:25 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

      •  Any stick? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        RiaD, nippersdad

        No, just a select few, like his grossly immoral refusal to enforce the Geneva Conventions.  I'm funny like that.

        The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

        by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:12:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  While you dropped by. (5+ / 0-)

      The other day you did your usual trashing of Leftists and claimed that MLK, Jr. had never criticized Democrats.

      I hope you don't miss the diary I wrote completely destroying your little rewrite of history.

      You were directly quoted in it, BTW.

      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

      by goinsouth on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:20:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Really? (7+ / 0-)

      W paid the price for the war in the 2006 elections.

      I didn't know that he had 775 Billion dollars to spend. Nor do I think he paid the same price for his decisions that the 5000 dead American soldiers did, or the 37,000 that came home wounded. Not to mention those others who lost their lives or health that were in the coalition. The million Iraqi's who died, the refugees, the environmental damage, the damage to our international reputation.....................

      He DID lose a few seats in Congress, though, and that was priceless./s

      I think a sense of perspective may be in order here.

      "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar Wilde

      by nippersdad on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:44:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  If you really believe this: (7+ / 0-)

      W paid the price for the war in the 2006 elections.

      Then you stand at the center of a moral vacuum.

      The Republican establishment wins the votes of fools by invoking terrorism; the Democratic establishment wins them by invoking the Republicans.

      by MrJayTee on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:52:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I suspect most people here do not think (4+ / 0-)

    Kristol and Podhoretz are worthy of attention, much less parsing their every word.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:16:50 PM PDT

  •  you are a bastard (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bubbanomics, goinsouth, PhilJD

    and i think you're point is shite. But you're a funny bastard.

    well played.

    I hear gardening is a nice hobby.

    by SeanF on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:41:29 PM PDT

  •  Imperialism. No one wants to talk about it. (7+ / 0-)

    Don't want to acknowledge it, don't want to even admit it's happening.  The Iraq situation is a drop in the bucket of what we're doing worldwide and preparing to do worldwide.  People are people and there are only small groups on both sides of the aisle even interested in this subject.  It's like it's too complex or something.

    "To the mediocre, mediocrity appears great" Indian proverb

    by BigAlinWashSt on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 04:55:08 PM PDT

  •  Nice (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    goinsouth, MrJayTee

    At long last, let the ass-kissing begin!

  •  I'll go with my favorite pundit: MYSELF (0+ / 0-)

    I can think for myself and right after his speech I turned off the tv and did just that. I have no idea what the professional left is complaining about and I don't give shit anymore.

    thank you president obama. Truly a man amongst boys.

  •  Thank GOD Obama is in charge! (0+ / 0-)
  •  mmgrmphthahahaha! (0+ / 0-)

    brilliant!

    The hippies had it right..it's time..the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology. Morford [http://tiny.cc/hippies]

    by RiaD on Thu Sep 02, 2010 at 10:38:01 AM PDT

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