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  1.  The split between the blue dogs and the democrats in Congress
  1.  The split between the far left here and the rest of here (okay, take a chill

           pill.  Turn it around the other way to suit your snit)

  1.  The Republican de facto majority in a supermajority world
  1.  The sound bite mentality of the electorate
  1.  President Obama
  1.  Myself

In other words there's plenty of blame to go around.

Follow beneath the fold for the sad part...

The combination of the above (from my "its the economy stupid" perspective) resulted in failing to turn the worst recession since the 1930s into a roaring "happy days are here again" engine of two years. Funny thing is, it would have been insane to have expected that to happen if every one of the above situations were reversed...especially since the entire world is sinking around us.

Sad thing is, the slow grinding of economic progress usually results in unwarranted political windfalls.  The party in power reaps the benefits of success, even when the party just ousted from power was responsible for them.  The reverse is also true, as we are witnessing now.

So, if the economy turns around in the next two years, the brilliance of the American electorate will deduce that it had something to do with what the Republicans did in those two years, and we will see an even greater Republican majority in 2012 than we will in 2010, not to mention the very real possibility of a Republican presidency.

I wonder if we will be then hoping for economic disaster like the Republicans have for the last two years.  No, if we could trade political success for a job, most of us, I think, would do so.  Even if it means we'll be back here after the next bubble bursts.

Don't you just love politics?  It's enough to make you envy the reality-challenged great unwashed, feet up on the ottoman,  mindlessly peering over their beer bellies, American flag clutched tightly in the fist not holding the beer can, watching Cartoon Network, or as some insist, Fox News.  No, not really.  Really.  That was just a fleeting fantasy.  Really.

Originally posted to ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:15 AM PDT.


Which would you rather have?

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

    by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:15:54 AM PDT

    •  I like your opinion, but your (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BoiseBlue, janmtairy, amk for obama

      poll don't add up.

      •  No, but it's not the kind of poll where you are (0+ / 0-)

        going to get a total of 100%, because the percentages are only intended to provide a clear choice in a decision that, in my mind at least, has no happy ending.  Just a thought provoker.

        But, if it would look neater, we can make that 87% of a pie + 3% unemployment + 10% unemployment = 100% of (something), except then, what to do with that leftover lobotomy.

        "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

        by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 01:04:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I can rec that list... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Crashing Vor, ZedMont, laker

    I can even rec it in that order.

    It's honest instead of hand wringing.

    Write In: Alan Grayson

    by Detroit Mark on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:20:06 AM PDT

  •  You're serving up (0+ / 0-)

    false choices. Very Fox-like.

    How much money have you wasted on poorly designed, over priced HDMI cables?

    by plok on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:21:00 AM PDT

    •  Well, yes, it is in fact a false dichotomy (or at (0+ / 0-)

      least I hope it is).  The choices are only intended to create a moral dilemma between one's love of partisan politics and one's hope for progress even if it defies one's political persuasion.

      I certainly don't think it would happen that way, or at least not by those actual percentages.  And I certainly don't think anything the Republicans do will bring about a positive outcome.

      The point is, that if there IS a positive outcome in the next two years, it will be the result of the economy having been saved from the abyss in the previous two years, but the electorate won't see it that way.  They see it like this:  Economy good.  Republicans in control.  Republicans good.

      The poll is just a frivolous opportunity to look at how you would feel about good outcomes attributed to the wrong party and vice versa.

      Sort of a parable about really which of two choices is best, realizing that each is a combination of comfort and pain.  I think of it as kind of a moral brain teaser with no really perfect answer, although I have to admit the 3%/Republicans is probably the noble choice.  

      As you can see, some would rather eat pie or have a lobotomy than to make such a "Sophie's choice" kind of decision.

      Don't blame them.  In fact I think I forgot to take my own poll.  That big hunk of pie looks awfully good.

      "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

      by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 01:25:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  About your poll... (5+ / 0-)

    You're not gonna get 3% unemployment with a Republican Congress.  You're gonna get 10% or more as the last two years have shown us.  The tragic truth is that high unemployment with no safety net is the holy grail of the Republican Party.  

    Real conservatives are conservative. They like rules governing everything. American conservatives only like rules governing other people's pleasure. Digby

    by MadRuth on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:24:14 AM PDT

    •  The 3% is intentional exaggeration in order to (0+ / 0-)

      create the uncomfortable dilemma illustrated by the poll results.

      "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

      by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 12:56:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Not necessarily (0+ / 0-)

    if the economy turns around, and the Republicans completely embarrass themselves, people will attribute Obama to it, not the GOP.

    By that logic, Dole should have crushed Clinton. After all, the Republicans had control of the House and Senate.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:26:39 AM PDT

  •  Then: Change You Can Believe In! (0+ / 0-)

    Now: Can You Believe This?

    Or: You Can Believe In Change.

    Or: Can You Believe In Change?

    Or: You Can Change, Believe!

    Or: Change In You Can Believe.

    Or: Believe In Change Can You?

    Or: In Change You Can Believe.

    Or: In Believe You Can Change.

    Or: In Believe Can You Change?


    All hope abandon ye who enter here.

    by this much on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:29:22 AM PDT

  •  here we go again (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    The split between the far left here and the rest of here (okay, take a chill
              pill.  Turn it around the other way to suit your snit)

    Classic FNC. This is not about far left v the rest it is about those who think that  constructive criticism, even of your own leadership, is good and those who believe that it is always damaging.

    This whole left/liberal vs moderates is the Sit Down and Shut Uppers attempt to gain a little moral superiority.

    •  Honestly (1+ / 0-)
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      the moderates have a far greater stable constituency than the left does.

      These days when I talk to folks it's the left that proudly stands up and says they're not going to vote, they're 'disappointed' in my area so they've not even willing to work for nor even vote for the most 'liberal' Representative we've ever had.

      Instead they're willing to throw this election to a Tea party candidate.

      in state after state like California, Wisconson, Washington, 'progressive' incumbents are fighting to hold onto their seats--so just where is this 'left' in fighting for their own?

      the smart move for any Dem candidate right now is to work for a stable constiuency in the middle, they can be counted on, the left can't seem to hold it togehter.

      Please vote Democratic in November. If the GOP wins we will all be forced backward another decade, who wants that?

      by Wary on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 08:23:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I don't necessarily disagree, (0+ / 0-)

      but the split still exists, however you choose to characterize it.  Forget the left/middle if you see it that way.  Make it between innies and outies if you want.  The catfight is the point, not which way down the alley the cats came to it.

      "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

      by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 12:52:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I know you're serious, but I can't get this (0+ / 0-)

    out of my head now:

    I'd like my life back, too, Tony ____ Video and more songs at da web site

    by Crashing Vor on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:42:24 AM PDT

  •  That's why for the life of me I'll never (0+ / 0-)

    understand why Democrats and Obama went along with the original TARP bailout in Sept/Oct 2008. I think we've had the same economic crash in either case, but we just extended it. Without TARP, it would've probably all happened under Bush, and then it would've been all forward motion under Obama.

  •  You're right that there's plenty of blame (0+ / 0-)

    to throw around. How easily partisans forget their own part of any given blame!

    We're all human, aren't we? Every human life is worth the same, and worth saving. - Kingsley Shacklebolt

    by chparadise on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:48:14 AM PDT

  •  I want the lobotomy but f*cks is so bad (0+ / 0-)

    that even then I wouldn't watch it. Which also says something about their audience I guess.

    Solidarity Now. (We can continue the fighting later). See you in Washington 10-02-10.

    by reddbierd on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 07:58:26 AM PDT

  •  (Based on poll) do you believe... (0+ / 0-)

    that electing Republicans would bring 3% unemployment?

    For that matter, do you believe that electing Republicans would bring 5% unemployment faster than electing Democrats

    "The joy of activity is the activity itself, not some arbitrary goal which, if not achieved, steals the joy." ~John "the Penguin" Bingham

    by sheddhead on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 08:12:12 AM PDT

  •  I didn't think we were going to turn (0+ / 0-)

    the economy around in two years.  I DID think that we were going to take more than baby steps though.  Instead of bold and game changing, we got ultra cautious and making sure we included Republican poison pills in every important piece of legislation.

    We have good ideas.  Why do we need to be apologetic for them?  Why do we include watered down "remedies" from Republicans and Blue Dogs if they aren't going to vote for the resulting bill anyway.  They get to have their cake and eat it too.  Either the legislation fails, or it passes but is so bad that it's next to useless.

    Write good bills and make the Republicans say that the American people don't deserve good health care, jobs, or a chance at the American Dream.  If their feelings get hurt, I'll live with it.

    At least TRY!  You can always cave in later.

    Everything you know is wrong. Firesign Theatre -5.13/-3.38

    by Grannus on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 08:13:18 AM PDT

  •  I blame Corporations and their one goal (0+ / 0-)

    of accumulating more wealth by screwing the rest of us.

    Corporation's CEOs/Executives strategize that most of us live in denial and since denial is the most insidious form of dishonesty, we are easily manipulated to finding lesser scapegoats for the Corporation's larger sins against us.

    All the while Corporations hold out the great big carrot stick of great security.

    Next time you read about what a CEO earns look in the mirror, you have just been punk'd.

    Take America back from Corporations

  •  It would be interesting to know why people voted (0+ / 0-)

    the way they did, between the first two choices, that is.  I think you could make a case either way.

    "A man of true science uses but few hard words, and those only when none other will answer his purpose..." - Melville

    by ZedMont on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 01:29:12 PM PDT

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