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While Kossacks went to bed with dreams of keeping Delaware's Senate seat in our hands, we had the first gubernatorial debate in the battleground State of Ohio.  

Before the event, President Clinton fired up an estimated crowd of 2,000 outside the debate venue while all the GOP did was send ten ORP college interns and had a banner plane fly over.  Kasich had no rally before, or apparently, after the debate.

When Governor Strickland attacked John Kasich's personal, corporate involvement in outsourcing Ohio jobs to China, we got our first gaffe of the night:

Roughly two weeks ago, Governor Strickland's campaign began running an ad about Kasich's outsourcing.  The GOP has done everything in the book to try to force Strickland to take the ad down--assemblying business leaders (who just HAPPEN to be GOP donors) to attack the Governor for running an ad that attacks an Ohio business, to playing the local editorial boards, etc.

Because the ad is working and the race is tightening again after Kasich and the RGA had been on air most of July and August with no ads from Strickland or the DGA.

Last night, John Kasich told a whopper.  He told Ohioans that we haven't lost a single job to China.  Even though he sat on a corporate board and signed documents to do just that.

Originally posted to ohdemvoter on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:31 AM PDT.

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    •  was there more context that (3+ / 0-)
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      Turbonerd, mos1133, imamish

      might make this look like an unfair clip to Kasich?  Just want to make sure.

      By the way, that ad from Strickland is GREAT!

      "The truth is, we are all caught in a great economic system which is heartless." - Woodrow Wilson

      by billlaurelMD on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:38:45 AM PDT

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    •  Moving jobs overseas (5+ / 0-)

      I was working with Borland around 2000-2001 when John Kusich joined the board.  For whatever reason, he only remained on the board for about 6 months.  But I do know Borland shipped an entire division, except the senior programmers, to Asia around that timeframe.  

      The division was doing cutting edge work designing large scale, internet portal solutions developed for use by banks, insurance companies, etc.  Borland was able to rebuild the division with
      Asian junior and mid-level programmers but not senior programmers.  So the plan was to keep the senior programmers while letting the rest go with some moved internally.  It was a substantial cost savings move of approximately 6 million a year.

      I remember thinking we were letting go good people that support our economy and tax base to provide the same benefits in Asia.  We are also sacrificing the junior and mid-level programmers that become the senior programmers of tomorrow.  Borland saved the money but at what cost to America's future well being. Unfortunately the move is typical of big, bottom line oriented, international corporate behavior.

      I can't remember specifically if Kasich was on the board at the time of the decision.  And he wasn't there long.  I wonder now if he was part of the approval process.  

  •  Caught the debate last night too. Strickland (6+ / 0-)

    clearly won on substance, but its not like candidates who look friendly talking bullshit haven't gotten elected.  
    I'm new to Ohio, but I here Strickland is from conservative, rural SE ohio, and has NRA support.  Is this true, and if so, will they turnout to vote for him, cause Kashich is really loathesome.

    It is magnificent, but it is not war, it is madness. Pierre Bosquet on the charge of the Light Brigade

    by flhiii88 on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:37:54 AM PDT

    •  Strickland is endorsed by NRA/Buckeye Firearms (7+ / 0-)

      I've disclosed this for the six years I've been blogging, but I used to work in Governor Strickland's district office before he was Governor.

      Yes, it's true that he has supported gun rights.  He's been endorsed by the NRA, Buckeye Firearms Association, and Ohioans for Carry Concealed Weapons.

      However, Strickland is no conservative.  He supported Clinton's health care bill in 1994 and temporarily lost his Congressional seat for it.

      He's been a strong advocate for green energy jobs in Ohio.  He's been a tireless supporter on GLBT issues, including signing the first executive order to ban discrimination against GLB & T state employees.  He supports legislation to make it law in Ohio for private employees as well.

      He's been a moderate on abortion.  He's pro-choice but has, I think, voted for partial birth abortion bans.

      The gun issue for Kasich has divided them.  I've monitored the chatter among Ohio's gun groups and it seems to almost divide evenly between: 1) Some will vote for Strickland again; 2) Some will still vote for Kasich; and 3) some are voting Libertarian in protest.

      As Meatloaf said, two out of three ain't bad.

      I hope this helps.

    •  I hope so (1+ / 0-)
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      There was another election where a Black guy and a Conservative ran against each other. I voted for Strickland. A lot of those people in Southern Ohio could have put J.Kenneth Blackwell in the Governors Mansion, they didn't. They were that racist that they didn't even put a Tom in office that was a member of their party. Next time a Republican says that Blacks voted for the President because he's black I point out that Blackwell is Black and I didn't vote for him.

      Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

      by kid funkadelic on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 11:46:56 AM PDT

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  •  good post...i was hoping to catch it on the (2+ / 0-)
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    ohdemvoter, JeffW

    teevee machine...but was unable to...i hope strickland wins just so I can feel better about the electorate here.

  •  perhaps the closeness of the race (2+ / 0-)
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    will force News Corps to spend extra millions there (and hopefully still lose one of their governorships).

    •  oops, I meant to say (0+ / 0-)

      Governor's races.

      •  RGA is invested heavily in Ohio (4+ / 0-)

        Thanks to the $1 million Fox News' parent company gave it.  Kasich himself has credited his most recent of 54 appearances on Fox News since he announced his candidacy as helping him raise money.

        However, as you know, the DGA quickly raised $1m off of Fox News' donation.  They're on the air here in Ohio, and Governor Strickland is sitting on an estimated $3 million cash-on-hand advantage over his opponent.

        •  Why don't someone point out that he's the (0+ / 0-)

          Stand In for racist Bill Oreilly on Oreilly's show? Strickland can point out that Kasich works for a racist network that sends out dog whistles to the Mideast to get our troops killed. A network responsible for the firebombing of Mosques. That one of his co-workers at Fox got five policemen shot and three killed.

          Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

          by kid funkadelic on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 11:57:43 AM PDT

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  •  I'm Sure Ohio Has Lost Lots of Jobs (1+ / 0-)
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    To Southern states that don't have unions.

    Government saved the markets and sacrified its people.

    by bink on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:54:12 AM PDT

  •  man, they just think that they can say anything (1+ / 0-)
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    and get away with it. And in most cases, the corporate media allows them to do it.

    Our. Media. Sucks.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 05:56:44 AM PDT

  •  Now Ohio Democrats need to pounce... (7+ / 0-)

    ...and make this his Gerry Ford "There is No Soviet Domination of Eastern Europe" moment.

    And please also implicate Ohio's other Republicans - particularly Portman and Boehner.

    Can you handle it?

    What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

    by mistersite on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 06:00:50 AM PDT

    •  Hey, man, it's 9 am (4+ / 0-)

      I'm working on it.  I'm working on it.  That's obviously what I'm hoping to do in trying to get this diary on the rec list.

    •  Portman unfortunately (1+ / 0-)
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      doesn't have moments like this. He's a slick customer. Kasich is a belligerent, arrogant bully with an overdeveloped sense of privilege. He and his campaign have had a bunch of moments like this already. My favorite was his campaign spokesman saying that Kasich had never made repealing the state income tax a key part of his economic plan. Until recently, it was his ENTIRE economic plan.

      De-orangify Congress: Justin Coussoule for Oh-08

      by anastasia p on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 10:25:38 AM PDT

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      •  When Fisher does a commercial about Portman (0+ / 0-)

        They should have the word Republican covering two thirds of the screen with his face. He never says that he's a Republican on Television. They also need to show pictures of the Tea Party with their racist signs.

        Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

        by kid funkadelic on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:01:34 PM PDT

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  •  Unfortunately, (1+ / 0-)
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    That ad of Strickland's has not run at all in my market in SW Ohio. Probably blocked by all the repub douchebags in the media here.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 06:03:28 AM PDT

  •  Keep it in the news...... (3+ / 0-)
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    Get some letters to the editor going.  Remind Ohioans that Kasich lies, outright.  If he'll lie about this, what else does he lie about?  That kind of thing.

  •  Two Thumbs Way Up! (2+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for trying to raise the profile of the gubernatorial race here in BuckeyeLand.

    I was ecstatic to finally see Gov. Ted getting himself some airtime with that ad.  Kasich scares the crap out of me as a potential governor, just as much as a potential Senator Portman.  The dichotomy between the two strikes me like a wet Lake Erie eel tot he face.  One denies his complicity in the outsourcing of jobs to the point that he refuses to mention his former employer (Lehman Brothers), while the other runs on a plan for jobs for Ohio as he seeks a national office.

    Like you, ohdemvoter, I am stuck in the deepest Red portion of the state (Greene County in SW OH), and what worries me the most about Kasich as governor is reapportionment that will further tighten the Rethug stranglehold on this corner of the state by way gerrymandering that continues to equate the concerns of urban Dayton's near East Side with rural Jamestown.

    Thanks again, for keeping Ohio on the radar!

    "You try to tell me you love Life; Then find another way to kill Life..." -- David Draiman

    by darkrogue on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 06:42:05 AM PDT

  •  This needs to be Kaisch's version of (4+ / 0-)

    "Poland is not under Soviet domination."

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 06:56:07 AM PDT

  •  Lots of info re: Kasich and outsourcing OH jobs (1+ / 0-)
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    to China, here:

    See these links re:  Ohio jobs outsourced under Republicans:

    And the next two pieces of information are from the blog Glass City Jungle, on Ohio politics

    1.  On Kasich campaign plan to outsource job creation:

    Strickland Campaign Responds to Kasich Campaign Plan to Outsource Job Creation to Wall Street
    COLUMBUS- Today, Strickland for Governor Communications Director Lis Smith released the following statement responding to Republican gubernatorial candidate Congressman John Kasich’s economic announcement:
    "After years of supporting unfair trade deals and outsourcing that cost Ohio over 460,000 jobs and helped Wall Street, it’s not surprising that Congressman Kasich wants to outsource economic development to corporate interests at the expense of working Ohioans. Ohioans know that this economic recession started with economic greed on Wall Street and the bankruptcy of Wall Street investment firm Lehman Brothers, where Congressman Kasich worked for eight years."
    "Ohioans don’t need a fox guarding the hen house, they need a governor who will fight to grow jobs from the ground up by improving education, lowering taxes, and making Ohio more business-friendly. That’s exactly what Ted has done as governor and will continue to do over the next four years."
    Kasich Supported Outsourcing Ohio Jobs
    Ohio Lost At Least 466,000 Jobs Because Of Bad Free Trade Policies. According to Policy Matters Ohio, from 1995 through May 17, 2010, 119,215 Ohioans were eligible for the Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) program. TAA "provides help to workers who lose their jobs because of rising imports or shifts in U.S. production to overseas locations. Workers may receive additional unemployment benefits, training and a health coverage tax credit, among other benefits." According to the Economic Policy Institute, every 100 manufacturing jobs sustain 291 support jobs. 119,215 + (119,215 * 2.91) = 466,130 Jobs.[Schiller, Zach and Mordue, Brandon. "Trade Adjustment Assistance In Ohio 2010." Policy Matters Ohio. July, 2010, Economic Policy Institute August, 2003]

    1. Also, on Rob Portman, Ohio GOP candidate who would only help Kasich outsource Ohio jobs---- use these facts when talking about Kasich!!!

    Congressman Rob Portman KNOWS how to grow the China. Ohio Lost 102,700 Jobs Because Of The Trade Deficit With China. "The 2.3 million jobs lost/workers displaced nationwide since 2001 are distributed among all 50 states and the District of Columbia, with the biggest losers, in numeric terms: California (325,800 jobs lost), Texas (202,900), New York (127,000), Illinois (102,800), Ohio (102,700)..." [Economic Policy Institute, The China Trade Toll: Widespread wage suppression, 2 million jobs lost in the U.S., Robert E. Scott, 7/28/2008]
    Portman Supported Permanent MFN Status for China.In May 2000, Portman voted in favor of a bill that would grant permanent most favored nation status to China. The bill was strongly opposed by organized labor. The bill passed 237-197. [HR 4444, Vote 228, 5/24/00]
    Portman Voted For China Trade At Least Five Times. [Vote #317, 7/22/98; Vote #338, 7/27/99; Vote #255,7/19/01; Vote #228, 5/24/00; Vote #405, 7/18/00;Commercial Appeal, 6/25/97]
    IMF: 60% Of China’s Growth Relied On Exports And Trade Between 2001 and 2008. "China’s growth relies heavily on external demand and investment with much of that investment concentrated in manufacturing, and this dependence has increased in recent years. During 2001−08, net exports and the investment which is predominantly linked to building capacity in tradable sectors have accounted for over 60 percent of China’s growth, up from 40 percent in the 1990s. This is much larger than the 2001–08 average of the G7 (16 percent), euro area (30 percent) and the rest of Asia (35 percent)." [International Monetary Fund Working Paper, Kai Guo and Papa N’Diaye 8/2009]
    "Rob Portman voted for billions in tax breaks for companies exporting jobs." He voted for BILLIONS in tax breaks for companies that export jobs. Portman Voted At Least 7 Times In Support Of Billions In Tax Breaks And Loans For Offshore Companies. In July 2004, Portman voted against an amendment that barred federal loans to American companies that have escaped paying U.S. taxes by moving offshore. The provision forbid companies who moved off shore from getting loans from the Export-Import Bank, a federal agency that helps American export firms. In June 2004, Portman voted against an amendment to the Homeland Security funding bill that would have nullified a $10 billion border security contract with Accenture — formerly a part of Arthur Andersen — that was incorporated in Bermuda in 2001, where it is beyond U.S. tax laws. Also in June 2004, Portman voted against an alternative version to the corporate tax bill that would have eliminated certain tax provisions, including denying some tax benefits to domestic corporations that reincorporate overseas to avoid U.S. income taxes. In June 2003, Portman voted against an amendment that would prevent domestic corporations from evading U.S. federal court jurisdiction through mergers or repatriations with foreign companies. In July 2002, Portman voted against barring companies that avoid paying U.S. taxes by moving their headquarters overseas from being awarded contracts with the new Homeland Security Department. In May 2002, Portman voted against barring companies from receiving Export-Import bank aid if they lay off more workers in the United States than in foreign countries. In 2001, Portman voted for a $214 billion ($260 billion with interest) stimulus proposal that included a $6.5 billion tax break extension for financial corporations with overseas operations. [Vote 386, 7/15/04; AP, 6/30/04; 7/15/04; Vote 268, 6/18/04; CQ Weekly, 6/19/04; Vote 258, 6/17/04; Vote 268, 6/12/03; Vote 366, 7/26/02; Baltimore Sun, 1/27/02; AP, 7/27/02; CQ Weekly, 6/19/04; Vote 120, 5/1/02; AP, 5/1/02; Vote 509, 12/19/01; CBPP "New House Stimulus Proposal Dominated By Multi-Year Or Permanent Tax Cuts," 12/21/01]
    Portman Voted for Corporate Tax Bill in Committee, Giving $30 Billion In Tax Breaks For Companies That Ship Jobs Overseas. In 2004, Portman voted to report the corporate tax bill favorably to the full House. The bill would provide $140 billion in new corporate tax cuts, plus a $10 billion federal buyout of tobacco farmers to counter the impact of export tax break repeal. Overall, the legislation would increase the budget deficit by $34 billion over 11 years (2004-2014). The centerpiece of the corporate tax breaks is a 3 percentage point rate reduction in the corporate income tax rate on manufacturing income. Another section of the bill would provide $30 billion in new tax incentives on overseas income of multinational companies that opponents say could encourage U.S. companies to move manufacturing jobs abroad. The vote was 27-9 [CQ Committee Coverage, House Ways and Means Committee Markup, HR 4520, 6/14/04]
    "As Bush Budget Chief, Portman Oversaw Doubling of Deficit." — Under Budget Portman Wrote, The Deficit More Than Doubled. "The U.S. budget deficit hit a record $455 billion in fiscal 2008 ... The deficit for the year ended September 30 far outstripped the White House’s most recent estimate of $389 billion, made in July, and nearly tripled the previous year’s budget gap of $162 billion. It beat the previous record of $413 billion set in fiscal 2004, which was swelled in part by tax cuts and Iraq war spending." [Reuters, 10/18/2008]
    On his watch as Bush’s trade czar, our trade deficit with China exploded, sending a hundred thousand Ohio jobs overseas. While Portman Served As US Trade Representative, US Trade Deficit With China Soared to $200 Billion, Leading to Loss of American Jobs. Portman served as US Trade Representative from May of 2005 to April of 2006. During 2004, America’s trade deficit with China was $161 billion. During 2005, the trade deficit with China rose to $202 billion. [Census Foreign Trade Statistics,]
    Ohio Lost 102,700 Jobs From 2001-2007 Because Of The Trade Deficit With China. "Between 2001 and 2007 2.3 million jobs were lost or displaced, including 366,000 in 2007 alone...The 2.3 million jobs lost/workers displaced nationwide since 2001 are distributed among all 50 states and the District of Columbia, with the biggest losers, in numeric terms: California (325,800 jobs lost), Texas (202,900), New York (127,000), Illinois (102,800), Ohio (102,700)..." [Economic Policy Institute, The China Trade Toll: Widespread wage suppression, 2 million jobs lost in the U.S., Robert E. Scott, 7/28/2008]

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