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Just a very quick note that the White House summit on Community Colleges will be presented as live streaming video today on C-SPAN.  It is scheduled to start at 12:15 p.m. EDT and conclude at about 3:00 p.m. EDT.

The Community College where I teach will be represented by the head honcho and a "typical student" who was chosen to be there.  I have a bit of a problem with the type of student chosen.  Advantage:  He is not a "traditional age" college student.  Disadvantage:  He is not someone going for a 2-year technical degree, but a student who is taking the cheaper general studies courses at Ivy Tech Community Colleges of Indiana, then planning to transfer to a 4-year college.*

If you would like to use this diary to live blog the broadcast, please recommend it so it stays active.

The link to C-SPAN is http://www.c-span.org/ and the time, again, is 12:15 p.m. EDT to 3:00 p.m. EDT.  I am at work, so I will try to live blog it, but I will almost certainly be interrupted by phone calls and cannot be counted on to catch everything, blow-by-blow!  But I will do my best to hang out and comment as much as I can.

*Yes, I know a lot of students are doing that sort of thing; heaven knows, about half of my students are.  But one of the really important things about community colleges is that they are vocational schools, ideally leading from a short-and-sweet, highly focused course of study direclty into a job placement.

Originally posted to Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:05 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:05:52 AM PDT

    •  I Had No Clue This Summit Was Happening (5+ / 0-)

      My family members have gotten a ton of degrees from large schools. But my father now sits on the board of directors for a community college and I love to hear what he deals with. My brother went back to school, no college degree, in his 30s and his community college experience was wonderful. Big fan!

      "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

      by webranding on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:18:49 AM PDT

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  •  This should be good. POTUS is trying his (5+ / 0-)

    hardest to take us out of the dark ages, but people like KOCH are stubborn and want their money!

  •  I talked to my wife this morning (2+ / 0-)
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    about this summit.

    She is a full-time community college teacher and I am a part-time adjunct instructor.

    Her concern was that there was a bit of an uproar amongst local faculty here in that initially no instructors were included in the panel.  Is that correct?  She also indicated that was subsequently rectified.

    The specifics of our conversation were a bit hazy--we were both trying to get up and going for 7:20 AM classes.

    •  Heh. (4+ / 0-)
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      Actually, there was one instructor included from the very beginning--Dr. Jill Biden. IIRC, she's one of the instigators of this first-ever WH summit specifically concerning Community Colleges.

      (My best friend's nephew is one of those invited to participate--the WH tracked him down last week in Europe to invite him!)

      "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

      by homogenius on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:25:11 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, I don't think there will be many (5+ / 0-)

      instructors there.  And I doubt that the issue of 85% of the faculty being adjuncts will be addressed.  Or that adjuncts are paid starvation wages and have no realistic hope of advancement.

      I recently joined the New Faculty Majority group, which is trying to organize adjunct faculty.

      Personally, I am at the top of what an instructor with a master's degree earns at my college, which is $1688 per class per semester.  For a 16-week semester, that is a gross of $168.80 per week, with no benefits.  Assuming that one doesn't teach in the summer semester, adjuncts are limited to 5 classes per semester, or 10 per year.  $16,800.00, which is slightly less than a full-time person making minimum wage.  

      I know a former adjunct instructor, that was his only income, working on his Ph.D., who was both selling blood plasma twice a week and going to a local food pantry.

      To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

      by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:33:53 AM PDT

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      •  That was my first concern, too. (4+ / 0-)

        I'm a CC graduate--but when I attended 30 years ago most of my instructors were full-time with benefits. Now, in SoCal where I'm from originally and about to return, they play freeway pinball, bouncing from campus-to-campus every day trying to make a living among several colleges/districts.

        "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

        by homogenius on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:37:24 AM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry, trying to multi-task: (1+ / 0-)
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        $16,880 is slightly MORE than a full-time minimum wage person; $7.25/hour would be about $14,500 per year.

        To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

        by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:38:19 AM PDT

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      •  Let Me Just Say This (3+ / 0-)
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        after my father got a PhD from LSU, with his major professor the world renowned expert on his topic, he took a job teaching. Texas Tech. He soon learned, and this was like 1973, you couldn't raise a family on that pay.

        He took his knowledge of military tactics and got a job at the Army War College. The government paid better. He did that shit for 30 years. Pretty sure he'd rather not have done it.  

        "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

        by webranding on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:39:53 AM PDT

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      •  hey (4+ / 0-)
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        I know the tune well.  My pay is about the same--$1600 something per course, per semester.  I have a law degree which counts as a doctorate--no benefits of course.  Thank god my wife is fulltime so I get medical.

        I recently got laid off from my census job--I applied for unemployment benefits but was denied because my period of unemployment coincided with the "between terms" disqualification for educators.  Like most adjuncts, I receive a letter "between terms" which says that I will be rehired "if we have the classses and the money".

        That is simply a ruse by the colleges to get adjuncts out of unemployment comp payments.

        Thanks for the link to the organization.

      •  In Minnesota (3+ / 0-)
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        Adjuncts at cc's make about $4000 per course per semester ( I believe I'm correct on that figure).

        Unfortunately, I don't live in Minnesota, just nearby.  And in Minnesota, public employees have the right to strike.  Just sayin'.

        •  The way I understand the VERY FIRST THING (4+ / 0-)

          that Governor Mitch Daniels did, after taking the oath of office, precludes me from joining a union.  He made an executive order that no state employees would be represented by unions.

          Community college employees = state employees.

          This stinks to high heaven.

          To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

          by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:58:14 AM PDT

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          •  Absolutely appalling (2+ / 0-)
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            Where I work--Iowa--public employee unions are recognized.

            However, my specific college has an "in-house" union which purports to represent employees, but which has never been voted upon as the collective bargaining agent for employees.

            I made noise a couple of years ago about filing an unfair labor practices act complaint against the college for recognizing this unvoted on "union".  The "union" then dropped its statement that it represented adjuncts.  As an adjunct, I then had no legal standing to file the complaint.

            Nifty, huh?

    •  It's true. (1+ / 0-)
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      While Dr. Biden was a faculty member, there are no faculty included in the panelists themselves - aside from her.   There are CEOs, trustees, CAOs, and even students... but no current full- or part-time faculty, and no classified staff - though we're the ones who work with students from the second they set foot on campus, and we're the ones "in the trenches".

      "It takes more effort to keep a closed mind than an open one. I've always been lazy and just let it flow." - Fishgrease

      by khowell on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:34:16 AM PDT

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      •  Actually... (4+ / 0-)
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        Dr. Biden is still a faculty member AFAIK. According to the WH website she still teaches at NVCC. When they moved to DC last year, she turned down offers from several four-year universities to continue at the CC level.

        I loves me some Dr. Jill Biden!

        "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

        by homogenius on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:39:41 AM PDT

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        •  I do, too - (1+ / 0-)
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          And I stand corrected.  Thanks for that!

          "It takes more effort to keep a closed mind than an open one. I've always been lazy and just let it flow." - Fishgrease

          by khowell on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:41:31 AM PDT

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          •  I looked specifically... (1+ / 0-)
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            Because I had wondered if she would be able to continue to teach her one section of English with all her duties supporting Joe and the Pres.

            When my best friend told me his nephew would be at the summit today, I was all excited because he'll get to meet Dr. Jill!

            "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

            by homogenius on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:44:26 AM PDT

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      •  P.S. (4+ / 0-)

        And my Dad was a CC employee until he retired five years ago at age 80! The idea of him working the desk in the computer lab in his late 70s still cracks me up. LOL

        "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

        by homogenius on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:41:39 AM PDT

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        •  My Pops was a CC prof, too - (3+ / 0-)
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          for 30 years.  Retired after Georges crashed our house.  He liked to say he blew in with Camille and out with Georges.  In spite of their pay, it's a good way to grow up, I think - always in the classroom...

          "It takes more effort to keep a closed mind than an open one. I've always been lazy and just let it flow." - Fishgrease

          by khowell on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:44:59 AM PDT

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  •  My employer is represented as well - (0+ / 0-)

    We're gathering to watch it, and I won't have a laptop nearby, but I'll come back here to see your impressions.

    I find it interesting that apparently there are no full-time faculty members represented. Additionally, we were chosen because of our state-of-the art military education program which has been presented and duplicated at various DOD and education conferences.  However, none of the faculty who work with our injured soldier-students were encouraged to attend.

    There is an open forum here and additional information is available at the Summit site, here.

    "It takes more effort to keep a closed mind than an open one. I've always been lazy and just let it flow." - Fishgrease

    by khowell on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 08:30:03 AM PDT

  •  Jefferson Community & Tech College -- Louisville (4+ / 0-)

    Great to hear about the C-SPAN coverage of the summit today.  Our college -- Jefferson Community & Technical College in Louisville KY -- will be represented by Dr. Tony Newberry, one of the finest college presidents in the country.

    We are all proud and happy that he was invited.

  •  I'm clicking all over the C-SPAN website, and not (0+ / 0-)

    getting live feed.  Can anyone help with a specific url?

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:18:59 AM PDT

  •  OK, I found it at (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.whitehouse.gov
    then click "Live streams"

    JIll Biden speaking now.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:24:37 AM PDT

  •  "Pres Obama is investing in Community Colleges; (2+ / 0-)
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    believes in their potential."

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:26:14 AM PDT

  •  POTUS now taking the podium. (1+ / 0-)
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    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:26:41 AM PDT

  •  Secretary of Education AND Secretary of Labor, (0+ / 0-)

    and chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff also in attendance.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:27:41 AM PDT

  •  "JIll Biden grades papers in her White House (1+ / 0-)
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    office."

    "CCs are gateway to higher education, better job skills, less debt; good for mothers, veterans, and aspiring entrepreneurs."

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:30:09 AM PDT

  •  "Businesses need employees with high tech skills. (0+ / 0-)

    "

    Now talking about how federal government has supported education historically.

    Fewer college-educated people is a global disadvantage for U.S.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:32:17 AM PDT

  •  "Modernizing community colleges; (0+ / 0-)

    make more courses available, not cut courses.  

    Need to match courses to local job openings.

    INcreasing student aid and making loans easier to pay off.  

    Businesses and not for profits need to support the CCs in their mission.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:34:07 AM PDT

  •  Business is telling CCs what courses should be (0+ / 0-)

    offered to help the businesses.

    Gates Foundation to help cut drop-out rate.

    Competitive prize from another foundation for CC excellence.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:35:55 AM PDT

  •  Republican plan would eliminate money for (1+ / 0-)
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    education and student aid.  POTUS disagrees; "it doesn't make sense for our students or our country.  China and India aren't slashing their education programs."

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:37:44 AM PDT

  •  "Don't eat your seed corn." We need to (0+ / 0-)

    invest in our young people.

    Now talking about a veteran who is going to a CC in Michigan.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:38:59 AM PDT

  •  Another student--Albert O'hara--father died by (0+ / 0-)

    violence, mother in prison.

    So many people have written to him about CCs and how it has helped them; "One of them told me that CC saved his life."

    Promise of education for one student, and for the entire nation.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:41:14 AM PDT

  •  POTUS final word: "Let's get busy!" (0+ / 0-)

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:42:23 AM PDT

  •  Melinda Gates taking the podium now. (0+ / 0-)

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:43:29 AM PDT

  •  Gates Foundation been in K-12 education (1+ / 0-)
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    for 10 years; started hearing about CCs and touring CCs.  Can't just focus on elite 4-year colleges.

    Low income youth opportunity.

    Non-traditional students--26 years old, 2 jobs, a child at home are more typical now.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:45:17 AM PDT

  •  Intense effort that CC students make in order to (1+ / 0-)
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    attend.

    1/2 of students in higher ed are in CCs; but too few of them will complete a degree or certificate or transfer and complete a 4-year degree.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 09:47:25 AM PDT

  •  "Learn and earn--go to school (0+ / 0-)

    and work,and make it easier for students who have jobs and families to complete college."

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:01:29 AM PDT

    •  Ms. Gates also talked about hybrid courses (0+ / 0-)

      (half in person, half online) and fully online courses, so that students don't have to necessarily drive long distances to access classes.

      To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

      by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:06:20 AM PDT

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  •  New speaker took podium; my internet (0+ / 0-)

    locked up and had to reboot.

    She talked about industry-CC partnerships, and two of the five "partners" she mentioned are retail, low-wage employers:  McDonalds Corp. and The Gap.  Not sure what this means.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:03:13 AM PDT

  •  Broadcast ended at 1:00 p.m. There will be (0+ / 0-)

    concluding remarks after break-out sessions, given by Jill Biden. She promised "homework" for the attendees.

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:04:16 AM PDT

  •  Call me cynical, but I'm not completely happy (1+ / 0-)
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    with all this talk of "business/education partnership."  It sounds too much like business telling the CCs what they want, and the colleges should oblige.

    Some of my concerns, off the top of my head:

    (1)  Do we really want the business community to have their fingers that deeply in the pie?
    (2)  Let's say that the CCs gear up to offer exactly what the businesses want--then the business changes its mind or moves out of that community.  What then?
    (3)  CCs should keep courses that are focused on entrepreneurship and the type of courses that lead to self-employment, IMO.
    (4)  "Yes we fight for bread, but we fight for roses, too."  My CC employer, Ivy Tech in Sellersburg, Indiana, is now offering a music appreciation course and also a music theory course.  Would businesses discourage this sort of enrichment as fripperies?

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:11:00 AM PDT

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