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I was at the rally (anti-rally?) on the Mall yesterday.  It was a remarkable, electric afternoon.  The signs were hilarious, the attendees were genuinely not-angry, and the entertainment, save a couple of underwhelming musical performances, was not disappointing.  I heard cries from well behind me of people chanting "LOUDER!  LOUDER!"   Apparently, the closer you got to the Washington Monument (about five blocks from the stage), the harder it was to hear.   Which, in and of itself was remarkable, because if there were people halfway down the Mall, it meant attendance was enormous, or as I heard Geraldo say on Fox last night, not quite the size of Beck's rally but still large.  Which, in Foxese, means attendance was twice as large for the Stewart/Colbert rally.

The afternoon was worth the hassle it was to get there, and the even greater hassle it was to get out of there, though please don't get me started on Metrorail.

I was struck my Stewart and Colbert's genuine desire to be completely bipartisan.   The words "Fox News" and "Glenn Beck" were never uttered from the stage.  Similarly, while introducing a businesswoman who asked a tough question of President Obama on CNBC last month, not one of her critical comments about the President were heard.

The only politician or cable news personality singled out was Anderson Cooper (for fearmongering), who is easily the most balanced host in prime time cable!  I like Andy Cooper, and think he's done some great work recently against gay bullying, but this was hilarious.

It was like they bent over backwards to not turn this into anything resembling a partisan event, which was great.  And, ironically, something they had in common with Glenn Beck's speech at his rally this past summer.

But in a series of clips played near the end of the rally and introduced by Colbert, MSNBC personalities Ed Shultz and Keith Olbermann (as well as Rep. Alan Grayson) were equated with name-calling, bad-for-the-discourse hosts on Fox News.  Many of the clips from both MSNBC, CNN and FOX News were too short to be considered anything but out of context, but the most striking of the brief clips of cable outrage was Olbermann labelling Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic racist."   I say this because, in the section where I was standing, this got the loudest applause.  Well, that and the media clips telling us to be afraid of our flip-flops.

Stewart had mocked Olbermann for his Scott Brown comment in January, but the audience yesterday was a bit larger.

Yesterday, Olbermann twitsponded:

   It wasn't a big shark but Jon Stewart jumped one just now with the "everybody on Thr cable is the same" naiveté

Not that simple.  If you watch The Daily Show enough, you know that Stewart hates Fox News, and that when he mocks CNN, it's because he holds them to a higher standard. And liberal Stewart is clear eyed enough to see that just hyperbole is hyperbole, whether it comes from the left or the right.   Obermann later retweeted this comment from a follower:

kittywellington  @KeithOlbermann Agreed. Stewart’s only flaw: false equivalency syndrome.

Agreed.  Wolf Blitzer did not belong in that video montage.  But otherwise, the effect of the montages was to show the effect of a quantum of cable news and Congressional loudmouthery.  It creates division where they really isn't, Stewart argued.  And yeah, that's a bit simplistic, but if the point you're making is that cooler heads should prevail, then what's the false equivalence between a Hannity quote and an Olbermann quote?    Olbermann tweeted again late last night:

he did not hurt my feelings. I thought his message, on the eve of an election full of Tea Psychos, was terribly timed

In Keith Olbermann's defence, one of Andrew Breitbart's employees agreeswith him.  Hurray!:

MSNBC is staffed with a legion of beclowned fools, but Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann deserve credit for not hiding behind the cloak of lies found in the words "objectivity," and I will take 50 openly honest left-wing MSNBC loons — 50 honest brokers over any ONE of those who refuse to remove that cloak, namely  the Stewart-approved PBS, ABC, NPR, and CBS – and most especially a Comedy Central comedian who appears to be a little uncomfortable with the messiness of democracy and then arrogantly assumes that he’s one of the elite few who can make sense of all the amplified cable noise. Gee, thanks Jon, what would we among the great unwashed do without you to inform us that the press over-reacts.

Personally, I like the noise and I relish the fight...

Because it is honest.

The writer of that piece, John Nolte, is obviously a conservative, and I tend to think conservatives are hardwired differently, because they seem to prefer opinion journalism more than liberals.  I'm generalizing here, but liberals did in fact prefer NPR to Air America.  And conservatives do prefer Fox News and radio stations with names like "The Patriot" to, umm, NPR.  

Stewart's message was both that Tea Partiers are not crazy, but also that - generally speaking - they should cool their rhetoric. I can get behind that.  Television news has been Jon Stewart's bugaboo for years.  Never mind his Crossfire takedown, anyone rememberhis Mexican standoff with Ted Koppel at the DNC in 2004? Jon Stewart is a liberal, and Stephen Colbert surely must be.  But that doesn't mean they would or should let media figures off the hook simply because they share their politics.  If they did that, they wouldn't be effective.  If Stewart ripped a dumb attack ad from Meg Whittman and Sharron Angle, but ignored ads by Alan Grayson and Jack Conway, they would lose some of their credibility as political parodists.

Similarly, if Stewart and Colbert, who skewer Glenn Beck nine times for every stick they poke at Keith Olbermann, were to lay off the MSNBC lineup entirely, they would be seen as hypocritical.  

I think most of the people in attendance yesterday were progressives, but ones who appreciate that not every conservative is nuts, and not every liberal is beyond reproach.  I'm sure many attendees, like myself, expected a full throttle evisceration of Fox News and were initially surprised it never came.  Stewart and Colbert probably knew that, and by subverting our expectations helped made yesterday such a pleasant surprise.  It wasn't about just about Glenn Beck and it wasn't about Keith Olbermann.  It was about all of 'em.  I don't think it will change anyone's viewing habits (though I'm not sure any Fox News viewers showed up), but I'm glad Stewart got that off his chest.

Okay enough with the typing, now everyone sing!

Originally posted to SquareBoy on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:19 PM PDT.

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    •  Love stewart he also lumped himself in that group (3+ / 0-)
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      sherijr, Misterpuff, ban nock

      I think he did and i think it was shame , that prompted that rally. Shame how the (Right & left). initiated and promoted this hostile environment. if people was really listening. he was saying IMO that Obama cares and that demeaning him from all levels has created hate that he recognized that has gotten out of control. He should have put himself in that mix, not with hate but with the constant ridicule and labeling of him being timid and dems being this and that is not call for if you are trying to help move things forward. The left promoted the distrust, and the right promoted the Hate. What Stewart did was to tell everyone take a breath. The outcome of the cable news narrative is not helping the country its sounding the drums of harm to us all and Especially the President Barack Obama

  •  The false equivalency bothers me a lot! (10+ / 0-)

    Enough that I stopped watching Stewarts show.  I was annoyed once again when they continued to do it during the rally.

    If I want to watch liberal bashing I'll watch Faux.  Stewart and his producers seems to have forgotten who their audience is by pandering to the right more and more.

    •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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      Trial Lawyer Richard

      If you stopped watching Stewart you have missed a lot of good things. They are comedians and bash anyone who falls off the wagon. It's a comedy show. Pandering to the right? Where are you getting this? You stopped watching the Daily Show but you watched the rally? Like Judge Judy says 'if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true'

      •  I watched it for Colbert....... (0+ / 0-)

        what part of that do you not understand in your blind defense?

        Besides, I never said I don't think Stewart is funny..........when making fun of the right.  Of course I will still watch clips because when posted here they are of the right bashing parts.

        All of that should have been obvious so thanks for making me have to waste my time only to have you ignore everything I just said only to come back at me with more spew.

  •  Oh, God, don't tell me Keith will have a rally... (4+ / 0-)
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    jj32, relentless, SoCalLiberal, mcconn09

    next.  Where will it end?

  •  Stewart has always called it as he (9+ / 0-)

    has seen it, regardless of party or point of view.  Olbermann crosses the line on many times, and he ought to be man enough to take it when someone calls him on it.  I've never forgiven him for blasting the president's Oval Office speech on the oil spill; making KO happy is not Obama's job; KO's ego just doesn't know it yet.

    President Barack Obama; I helped make this happen!

    by PittsburghPete on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:31:33 PM PDT

  •  We become unhinged about hugging trees and (6+ / 0-)
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    mattman, 3goldens, myboo, divineorder, KiB, draa

    making sure everyone has food, clothing and shelter. They become unhinged about being able to torture people and destroy the environment with impunity.
    Night and day, we're right...they're wrong. Case closed.
    Bye bye. ;-|>

    "We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>

    by rogerdaddy on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:33:42 PM PDT

  •  Keith has zero (6+ / 0-)

    credibility with me the day he stormed out of here in a huff. So I could care less what he thinks about Stewart.

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:36:57 PM PDT

    •  It wasn't "storming out" (4+ / 0-)
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      bagman, Diogenes2008, schnecke21, lcarr23

      it was taking a time out -- and he did come back after he and others cooled off.

      I've taken time out myself -- I just know no one would ever notice when I do so I don't bother announcing it.

      Sometimes taking a break is necessary for one's own mental sanity, especially when you start taking things too damn personally.

      "When it gets harder to love, love harder" -- Van Jones, NN10, 7/23/10

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:34:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I noted that Rachel Maddow made no appearances... (4+ / 0-)
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    leftynyc, divineorder, TFinSF, FiredUpInCA

    ... in any of those clips.

    I don't quite know what conclusion I should draw from that fact.

  •  Olberman needs to grow a tougher.... (3+ / 0-)
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    jalenth, mcconn09, thestructureguy

    hide.  People who live in glass houses....

  •  There's a difference (6+ / 0-)

    I don't think Jon Stewart is engaging in false equivalency, where a right-wing wacko is weighed against a moderate (i.e. leftist by comparison).  I rather think Jon Stewart is reminding us that most of the right-wing wackos do actually want the best for America, and they all are fellow Americans.  We HAVE to find a way of getting along.  We don't have to deny our views, but we need to respect our fellow citizens even though they're idiots.

    I can see it with my father-in-law.  I have great respect for the man, he volunteered in '42 at age 17, was a paratrooper in Normandy and all that sort of thing.  But he now listens exclusively to Fox, is convinced Obama is a racist communist Muslim, maintains that George Bush (who has nothing but contempt for people like my father-in-law) was a good man who made honest mistakes - and he's by now completely deaf so that when we go to visit, there is no escaping the Fox News blaring through the house.  Like my wife says, he's now more treasonous than she in her flower power phase ever was.

    I genuinely believe he's past reform, I can just hope he won't live to see the full extent of the damage his purportedly patriotic GOPers will do to the US.

    γνωθι σεαυτόν

    by halef on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:41:23 PM PDT

  •  I think the right drives Keith wacko sometimes... (4+ / 0-)
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    RoIn, GoldnI, schnecke21, Tulips

    ...and I don't blame him. They do the same to me. I rant and I rave. But when I'm done I recognize the fact that my ranting and raving was not productive.

  •  You missed the point (2+ / 0-)
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    divineorder, sherijr

    They're all pundits. Stuart is as much a news host as they and he's a comedian. I watch all of them just about never.

    "slip now and you'll fall the rest of your life" Derek Hersey 1957-1993

    by ban nock on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:49:53 PM PDT

  •  Jon had to because otherwise FoxNews would have (0+ / 0-)

    made a HUGE deal in not including it

    http://www.democrats.org/

    by aaraujo on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 01:57:29 PM PDT

  •  So when a comedian makes "false equivalency" (4+ / 0-)
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    xanthippe2, sherijr, lcarr23, bookgirl

    between him and his cable news counterparts, he bitches about it on twitter and retweets followers who agree.

    But when frequent contributor Howard Fineman uses his new position at HuffPo to crap out a peice where he makes an even worse false equivalency between the Tim "Head Stomper" Profitt and comedian Joy Behar's comments about Sharon Angle, Keith is silent.

    If I wanted to read how much Obama sucks, I'd be on RedState, not DailyKos.
    --@jameskass

    by ThatsNotFunny on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:05:01 PM PDT

  •  insults and maturity (5+ / 0-)

    Honestly, I am pretty turned off by the name calling on some of the shows including Olbermann and especially Ed Shultz. As a matter of fact, I emailed Ed Shultz late last week and asked him if he could tone down the name calling. Right after I emailed him a woman called in and basically espoused the same thing... asking him not to be the Rush Limbaugh of the left and I emailed him again to point out that I wasn't the only one that felt that way as the caller indicated. To my surprise I got emails back.

    My first email to Ed

    Ed,
    Why do you constantly call people names? I hate Glenn Beck just as much as anyone... but listening to you go off about his drinking or whatever is just bullshit. Why can't you lead by example and not lower yourself to their level. I listen to your radio show everyday but I really get more and more turned off by your rude behavior. It doesn't make you look better than him... it sucks the air out of your criticism. Please consider being more mature about the personal attacks. I think it's perfectly fine to call his opinions nutty... but the personal attacks are just beyond the pale and turn people off.

    Ed's reply

    Because I feel like it....it is my show and you don't have to listen....nobody is stompling on you...

    My second email

    Ed,
    See! I just heard a caller tell you the exact same thing. Stop insulting people.

    Ed's reply

    See ya

    I sent back

    Wow... really? I have bad days too... I hope you have a better day, Ed.

    Granted... he is right... I don't have to listen. However, when you say you represent Democrats... that means you are speaking for me. I think I have the right to ask you to be more civil and Jon Stewart is spot on about the fact that the same hateful and rude shit is coming from both sides. Granted... I don't hear Ed or Keith lie... so in that vein they are not the same... however, the name calling is just not mature and not a way to have a constructive conversation.

    •  He's also not as good as Rush (1+ / 0-)
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      mcconn09

      He's trying to be the Rush Limbaugh of the left, but he's not nearly as good at it.   Of course, I'm putting all politics aside.   They're both in the entertainment business.

      •  I would not use the word (2+ / 0-)
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        sherijr, lcarr23

        "good" to describe Rush Limbaugh. While I understand the context under which you are saying this, I wouldn't use "good."

        Rush Limbaugh has a far easier job than Keith Olbermann by virtue of the fact that Rush only need appeal to the lowest common denominator - hatred, bigotry, ignorance, narcissism and greed. That is a far easier task than trying to appeal to people's wisdom, tolerance, modesty and sense of respect.

        •  Fine. Not good. But you know what I meant. (1+ / 0-)
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          Hopefruit2

          But I was comparing Rush's radio show to Ed's radio show, not Keith's TV program.  It was more of an apples to apples comparison.

        •  I think Rush used to be "good"... (1+ / 0-)
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          Magenta

          ...in the sense that he put on a very well produced radio show. He took the talk radio genre to another level and he deserves credit for that, just in terms of his skills as a broadcaster. I used to listen to him in the early nineties, not because I agreed with anything he had to say, but because I was interested in hearing political talk, and the show was often entertaining.
          In the years since then, he seems to have become much more bitter. You'd think having his party win Congress and then the White House would have lightened his spirits, but it seemed to have the opposite effect. Perhaps it was due to problems in his personal life, or maybe just not having Clinton to kick around any more. I don't find him listenable any more, though; he just sounds bitter and ugly.

    •  For some hosts, (2+ / 0-)
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      kafkananda, sherijr

      berating callers, guests and (more often) people who aren't there to defend themselves is their bread and butter. It's worked for them in the past, and they'll continue to do it until it no longer works (pronounced "until the ratings go down")

      If I wanted to read how much Obama sucks, I'd be on RedState, not DailyKos.
      --@jameskass

      by ThatsNotFunny on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:12:27 PM PDT

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    •  That's a very informative exchange with (2+ / 0-)
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      Tanya, kafkananda

      Schultz you had there.  I took his advice a long time ago and stopped listening.

      In my media market you can / could get very partisan and very civil and polite discourse from Thom Hartmann.

      He loves to get, and often does have, GOP, Conservative, and Libertarian guests on. They come back because of the temperate tone of debate.

      When MSNBC went shopping at "left-wing" talk radio for a new host, we can assumes they were looking for a "counter-Rush" and an "anti-Glenn" in content and a knock-off in style.

      Rachel Maddow was the much wiser selection.

      Maddow and Hartmann would have been more in line with what Stewart is calling for than Maddow and Schultz.

    •  Wow. Those are disappointing replies by Ed. (1+ / 0-)
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      mcconn09

      I can't say I'm a big fan of Ed's but I do watch him occasionally. I don't really like his bombastic style and I have to try to look past it to get to the information he has to give. Keith can be the same way at times. I don't like the belittling of those they disagree with. Attack their message, correct their misinformation, but keep to the message and not the individuals' characters.

      I think you wrote a polite request that he should have handled differently. He didn't have to agree with you but he could have been respectful. I guess it shows he doesn't really care about attracting new people to his show and the Jon Stewart had a good point. Demonization of others does happen on both sides. It may be more frequent and more organized on the right, but the left does amp up the divide as well.

      Ed's replies to you are exactly the type of thing that Stewart was rallying against. Let's try to be adults. Quit the namecalling and try to listen and talk to each other. We can disagree without hating each other or writing everyone off who dares to disagree with us.

    •  I'll be very surprised..... (1+ / 0-)
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      sherijr

      ....if Ed Schultz isn't snippy as all hell tomorrow concerning the Sanity rally.  

      Hey, I'm glad the guy is on our side.  But he can take things very personal and get pretty petty sometimes.  He was already being disparaging all week about the Sanity Rally.  

      With the numbers Stewart/Colbert drew, I will be very surprised if Ed doesn't devote an entire hour to criticizing the rally.  

      Maybe that quarter of a million people should have been home making phone calls on Saturday.  But every progressive talk show host should realize that with a lot less time, progressives came out for the Sanity rally and the Oct. 2 rally in numbers that make Glenn Beck look pathetic.  The message on the day before the election should be how many sane, left-leaning people came out in support of what our President always strives for -- decent governance.  That tens of thousands of people have come to support the President's mandate that we gave him two years ago when he goes on the campaign trail for Democrats.  

      Make a positive, coherent message out of it.  But instead, the day before the election, I suspect Ed Schultz will be bitching and Keith already is.  

      Something Republicans would never do.  We never learn.  

    •  I recommended (1+ / 0-)
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      lcarr23

      your comment although I agree and disagree. I agree with your comment completely, although I am tired of Dems getting trampled on. I think part of Ed's frustration is that Dems do not fight back and maybe he is doing some of it for them. I have cheered some of the things that Grayson said even though I didn't agree with the vitriol, I want some one to fight back. So I might not like Ed screaming, I am still cheering. I don't know how to say it other than 'I feel strongly both ways'.

      •  My comment is not to you (0+ / 0-)

        but to stonedoubt who wrote and received a terribly rude reply form Ed.

        When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Eleanor Roosevelt

        by IndyRobin on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 04:27:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Unbelievably rude (0+ / 0-)

      and THIS is exactly why John had the rally.

      When we reduce ourselves to the right behaviorally, then we mirror them and turn voters OFF!

      What are people not getting about this simple concept?

      When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Eleanor Roosevelt

      by IndyRobin on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 04:25:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hmm...as I recall Keith apologized for that (1+ / 0-)
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    lcarr23

    specific comment right after Stewart called him out on it, the Foxies never apologize.

    It's just a name like the Death Zone or the Zone of No Return.All the zones have names like that in the Galaxy of Terror. H.J.F.

    by msstaley on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:10:48 PM PDT

  •  Jon Stewart with his false bullshit again.. (7+ / 1-)

    The day that Keith Olbermann starts spewing racist rants and outright lies is the day you can compare to any lying sack of shit from the right. Jon Stewart needs to wise the fuck up already. His little pretending to be a moderate schtick got old years ago.

    •  Whoa chris matthews just called out Arianna, for (2+ / 0-)
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      Bush Bites, teachme2night

      her promoting mixed messages on her site.

      •  Well at least Stewart has the media (0+ / 0-)

        thinking and talking about its role.

        Meanwhile "local Fox TV stations",  the Simpson's network as opposed to the O'Reilly one... are carrying out the mandate from Murdoch to bring conformity with FOX News ideology to their newscasts.

        Los Angeles Channel 11 election campaign coverage is laughable in its script and visual images.  It deserves to be dissected on an episode of The Daily Show.

  •  I also didn't like (3+ / 0-)

    Stewart's reference to Stalinists and Marxists "trying to bring down the government", as if that is their objective, and if that is a real problem. While at the same time he avoided mentioning right-wing extremist goals.

    "The people have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want & the courage to take." - Emma Goldman

    by gjohnsit on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:47:30 PM PDT

  •  Many on the Left Remind Me of This Quote: (4+ / 0-)
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    mcconn09, IndyRobin, MemphisD, Tulips

    "No Single Raindrop Ever Believes "It" is Responsible ... for the Flood.

    Anonymous

    The fact is (not Keith or anyone in totality):

    There are just as many on the Left and Right who have taken or not taken actions that have contributed to 'the Flood'.

    Just My Thoughts ...

    The Enemy is Anybody Who's Going to Get You K-i-l-l-e-d ... No Matter Which Side He's On. Joseph Heller (1923 - 1999), Catch 22

    by Day24Day7 on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 02:56:20 PM PDT

    •  Bunk. (3+ / 0-)
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      sherijr, lcarr23, SouthernBelleNC49

      How can you say that in the current political climate?  The GOP has fillibustered everything, something never done before.  The fillibusters, the outrigt lies (e.g. "Death panels," Obama being responsible for the deficit, etc.),and the race-baiting are all from one side.  That is a fact.

      This has never been done to this scale in the modern political era.  Period.

  •  Let's see, (3+ / 0-)
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    liberalej, lcarr23, teachme2night

    Our side is for less war, saving the planet, and everyones civil/human liberties. The Republicans aren't. So Stewart is full of shit. Our side better bitch, and loudly.

    It's simple - Vote and we win.

    by draa on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 03:04:17 PM PDT

  •  I noticed a lot of false equivalencies yesterday. (1+ / 0-)
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    dougymi

    Oh well, what are you gonna do?

    The last time we broke a president, we ended up with Reagan.

    by Bush Bites on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 03:15:32 PM PDT

  •  Keith needs to get a thicker skin.... (2+ / 0-)
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    GustavMahler, stonedoubt

    His reaction to slights always does him more harm than good.

    The fact is that both Ed and Keith are over the top at times....But only once in a while, like daily for Ed, and bi weekly for Keith,  Not constantly and intentionally like FOX.....but enough that Stewart needed to at least show some balance.......

    I wish Keith and Ed were more restrained...I don't want to respond to Fox even partially in kind..It just takes a few incidents and credibility is gone.

  •  Anderson Cooper is the Most Balanced? (1+ / 0-)
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    lcarr23

    He prefaces everything with "both sides do this but..."

    I hate the false equivalence.  

  •  wow (1+ / 1-)
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    Jon Says
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    Derfel

    A well written, honest & logical diary, you dont see these here that often....Bring out the kooks!!

    "Supports the DailyKos, where opposing thoughts are quickly shot down." - Kim Jong-il

    by mcconn09 on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 04:15:20 PM PDT

  •  Can we please not eat our own? (2+ / 0-)
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    lcarr23, kid funkadelic

    I've written this here before. During the years in the desert under W, Cheney and the Criminal Gang, only a very few media types had the courage to speak out for me (us): Keith, Bill Mahr, and Rachel on Air America were the strongest voices. There were other entertainers, activists and satirists, such as Lewis Black, Michael Moore, and Jamie Fox who took on the administration, but their audience was limited. It was Olberman and Mahr whom I suspect literally risked their lives and most certainly their careers to stand up for us.

    Factor in that for 4 or 5 measley hours a few days a week, MSNBC gives us a little condescending nod with progressive commentators.  Factor in that American media (broadcast and cable) are  subsidiaries of rich Republican corporations that insidiously skew the news.  There is no equivalency here.  None!  The least we can do is show some respect for the MSNBC folks, including Ed Schultz.  I think Stewart was wrong.

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    Number on Keith. They sent Private Investigators after him. Keith and Rachel ARE the MSM. Let's put things in perspective. Stewart was one of the media that helped pushed the ACORN story. Also why did he invite that woman that tried to sandbag the POTUS? The Democrats aren't the ones that shot up the Tides Foundation. That wasn't a Democrat in Pittsburgh that killed three cops.  Stewart needs to talk about the voter caging and fraud that the Right will do Tuesdays and not kneecap the left.

    Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

    by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 04:50:51 PM PDT

  •  Jon Stewart criticized Obama because he (2+ / 0-)
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    continuously reached out to republican for bi-partisanship and not standing strong against the republicans nastiness. But he criticize people like Keith and Ed and compares them to people like Beck. As though they are somehow in the same category. Keith and ED don't let them get away with all their lies and bullshit and call them on it. Yet, the same person questioning Obama about him not taking a stronger stand, put Keith and Ed in the same category as the Becks. I find it refreshing to have Keith and ED hitting back. That's why they are my favorite show along with Rachel. After all, no one else is doing it, besides Ron Stewart. Yeah, that's right, because i watch Ron Stewart for the same reasons i watch Keith, Ed and Rachel. All of them expose the right for the fools and hateful liars they are. I don't call that divisive, i call that informative.

  •  I don't like all this stuff about both sides do (2+ / 0-)
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    it. That only has the effect of lessening the responsibility of the nasties. When they are 100% nasty all the time. It's similar when slave revisionist say, well, slaves fought with the south. When people like me who's old enough to have actually talked to people who were ex-slaves who said, hey, "do you think those slave owners would give slaves guns"? Do you think slaves had the right to decide? All this both side stuff do is give them a way out where they can say, they are just as bad as us and we shouldn't have to bare the burden alone. Anyway, the right wing haters don't care how nice you are anyway. They take advantage of that. How many times have you seen a republican teabagger change their ways or be nice. Name one. It's nasty all the time.

  •  I haven't watched John Steward since (0+ / 0-)

    he sided with Beck and fox against Acorn before he knew the facts AND he never apologized. This rally was purely to bash the left and the professional left. Surely JS was not saying be nice to the right. The huge divide is between the liberals and progressives. whatever thsoe terms means.
    Perhaps the dems will grow a spine and side with the people like Acorn, other than election time, and not with the Becks and Fox type, and stop dividing the party.

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