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Ha, Ha.

Too many pundits and newspapers are out there to inform us, very very seriously, that legalizing marijuana was "soundly" rejected, etc etc ad nauseum.

Don't believe the hype.
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Yes on 19 3,412,387 46%

Whitman , Meg GOP 3,088,070 41%

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Considering that Yes on 19 only raised a few million dollars, most of it in the final month...and Meg Whitman dropped 160$ million into her campaign (a new record)....

well, who's the real joke here?

And thank you Richard Lee, for putting up $1.4 million to get this on the ballot. It's a damn shame that the rest of the black market/grey market marijuana growers/dealers worked to slander you instead of standing up for what's right. It would have been beautiful to see Oakland turn into an Amsterdam of the West Coast. But the haters just don't want progress to be made.

Hey, Obama! Watup!

Are we supposed to see this as a big defeat? Nope. [What this dude said.]

And I better not point this out, don't want to upset the anti-pot d-bags crowing about prop 19's defeat-

Voters in 10 cities around the state on Tuesday overwhelmingly passed local measures to tax sales of medical and recreational pot.

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Voters in several cities also demonstrated that most Californians are comfortable with marijuana used for medical reasons and sold at storefront dispensaries. In Santa Barbara and Morro Bay, voters rejected bans on pot stores, while in Berkeley voters by a large margin approved a plan to allow six commercial marijuana factories in the city’s industrial zone.

With Proposition 19 failing, 54% to 46%, the 10 cities will not be able to approve recreational marijuana and tax it, but most will join Oakland in imposing taxes on medical marijuana sold in dispensaries. Long Beach had proposed the highest tax on legal marijuana at 15%, but several other cities had proposed 10% levies.

Last year, Oakland became the first city in the state to adopt a tax on medical marijuana. Voters passed it 80% to 20%, and other cities took notice. On Tuesday, Oakland voted to raise its tax on the sales of medical marijuana to 5%. With Oakland’s four dispensaries on track to sell pot worth $40 million this year, city officials estimate that the new tax will bring in $2 million.

In addition to Oakland and Long Beach, the California cities that approved pot tax measures were: Albany, Berkeley, La Puente, Rancho Cordova, Richmond, Sacramento, Stockton and San Jose.

Yes, it's sad to see that greed is, as those of us with experience in the cannabis industry know firsthand, a very powerful force in the cannabis "community". It's alway been there, the greed, stoked by the black market profits that Prohibition brings.

Sure, in the long run, this will be seen as a tragicomedy: you had the Emerald Triangle, prop 215 patients (advised by dispensaries), dispensary owners and employees, growers, street dealers, and irrational-paranoid types all form enough of a coalition to make the margin bigger than it should have been. Throw in the relatively low youth turnout, and the outcome actually wasn't that bad. At the very end of the debate, I noticed there was more celebrity support than I had heard about, which was interesting. (Hey, Phil Jackson, what's up?) But Kamala Harris looks to have beatenreefer-madness/wingnut Steve Cooley ! While Eric Holder was making controversial comments about medical mj, Obama was on the campaign trail with Harris. No one seems to know why her race was down to the wire, but the best part was how Cooley declared victory and declared a "victory" press conference and had to cancel. What a moran.

The medical cannabis ballot initiative in Arizona is not dead yet! (if there is something new guys, throw it up in comments.

http://www.thirdage.com/...

http://stopthedrugwar.org/...

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Richard Lee made a great statement on this. Am I allowed to post it in full? It was a press conference.

"The fact that millions of Californians voted to legalize marijuana is a tremendous victory. We have broken the glass ceiling. Prop. 19 has changed the terms of the debate. And that was a major strategic goal.

"Over the course of the last year, it has become clear that the legalization of marijuana is no longer a question of if but a question of when. Because of this campaign, millions now understand it's time to develop an exit strategy for the failed war on marijuana. Across the state our opponents, including many newspaper editorial boards that failed to properly understand Prop. 19, repeatedly stated that their quibbles were not with legalization in general. When we come back with a new initiative in 2012, there will be a seat at the table for all of these new stakeholders. And we will be coming back, stronger than ever.

"With limited resources this time around we were able to build an enormously powerful coalition of cops and moms, law professors and civil rights leaders, liberals and libertarians, conservatives and unions; all hungry for change. For the first time we were able to unite in favor of legalization. Groups like the National Black Police Association, the National Latino Officers Association, the California Council of Churches IMAPCT, California NAACP, SEIU of California, United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council, members of the U.S. Congress, local Democratic party committees, state legislators and many, many individual law enforcers, faith leaders, civil rights activists, students, professors of law and business leaders said it's time for a new beginning. This coalition will only continue to grow in size and strength as we prepare for 2012.

"Even the establishment was divided. While Senator Dianne Feinstein lent her name to the opposition, others, realizing that legalization is on its way, got in front of the message. When Gov. Schwarzenegger signed SB 1449, the bill reducing marijuana offenses to an infraction, a few weeks ago, it was a clear concession to the power of the legalization movement and a recognition of the obvious failure of our marijuana laws. This singular change in law, brought about by the momentum of our campaign, will protect tens of thousands of Californians from arrest each and every year. It will save California taxpayers money, and it will make our streets safer. But it's only a start, and there's much more work to be done.

"And the American public will help bring about this change. A Gallup poll released just a few days ago found record support for legalization across the country, with 46 percent saying they think marijuana use 'should be made legal.' That's a bigger result than Gallup has ever recorded in its 40-year history asking this question.

"The issue is generational. Fully 70 percent of 18-29 year-olds are in favor of legalization. And, many of the biggest contributors to the campaign were younger and based in Silicon Valley, representing a changing of the guard of political influence and leadership. With the help of our coalition, many of these new leaders are going to bring about the change that is now inevitable. Inspired by the momentum we've generated with Prop 19 here in California, we're beginning to see other states gearing up for legalization efforts, both via ballot initiative in states like Washington, Nevada and Colorado, and in the state legislature in places like Rhode Island.

"And so, while we didn't bring in enough votes tonight to pass Prop. 19, we know that we have achieved an enormous moral victory, and that there are millions of people across the country who are prepared to help finish the job they started here today when we come back to the polls stronger than ever in 2012."
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Originally posted to theytookmyblogalready on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:29 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (31+ / 0-)

    witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

    by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:29:31 PM PDT

  •  It wasn't the right year. Turns out, it's a good (6+ / 0-)

    thing we didn't try to overturn Prop 8 this year, either.

    The electorate was skewed way right this year.  

    While we didn't see a lot of seats flip, that's largely because we're the second most gerrymandered state in The Union.

    That Boxer barely won in a state that elected President Obama by almost 20 points two years ago should clearly highlight how non-representative those who turned out were.

    Capitalism already ate itself. Now it's just shitting itself.

    by JesseCW on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:37:41 PM PDT

    •  that's why Lewis and Soros (3+ / 0-)
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      decided initially to sit out. The memorable quote to me was to let "californians stew in their own juice".

      This is definitely bittersweet. maybe we let our expectations get too high because polling for prop 19 was over 50% in September?

      I anticipated something a lot worse. The fact that Yes on 19 had more money the whole time, all Dems statewide won....

      Not bad, eh?

      witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

      by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:42:04 PM PDT

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    •  boxer barely won? (8+ / 0-)

      Barbara Boxer (Dem) 3,861,823 51.9%
      Carly Fiorina (Rep) 3,170,287     42.7%

      where i come from, 9.2% isn't in the ballpark of close, that's a decisive win. prop 19 turned out voters that extended that margin of victory, and is one reason why california didn't see the republican wave of angry old white people that the rest of the country did.

      if dems have any sense at all, they'll make sure that there are similar initiatives on the ballots all over the country, come the 2012 general election.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:45:03 PM PDT

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      •  The voters who showed leaned substantially (1+ / 0-)
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        further right than the total pool of available voters.

        We didn't see a "wave of angry old white people" (way to court some votes) in large part because there isn't much of one available to tap here.

        And when Boxer managed less than half the margin President Obama did two years ago, we need to realize we're just not looking at the same pool of voters.

        Capitalism already ate itself. Now it's just shitting itself.

        by JesseCW on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:47:52 PM PDT

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        •  obama's victory was unusually large (2+ / 0-)
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          Tam in CA, change the Be

          his 61% was the biggest majority by a presidential candidate of either party had won in california since FDR in 1936.

          In fact, in the history of the state of california, obama has only been bested 4 times: FDR in 1936, hover in 1928, harding in 1920, and theodore roosevelt in 1904.

          neither reagan nor johnson came close to obama's CA numbers. it was a historic blowout.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:13:10 PM PDT

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          •  California has turned an extremely deep blue (0+ / 0-)

            over the last 20 years.

            That wasn't reflected on Tuesday.

            Capitalism already ate itself. Now it's just shitting itself.

            by JesseCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:51:25 AM PDT

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            •  look back to previous midterms (0+ / 0-)

              in 2006, while feinstein mopped the floor with mountjoy 59-35, most of the statewide races were a great deal closer than in 2010, and dems lost both the governor and insurance commish races.

              in 2002, while dems won all the statewide races, the margins were very close, far closer than 2010.

              in 1998, the statewide races did as well as 2010, with davis' victory over lungren a 58-38 blowout, but they also lost insurance commish and secretary of state to republicans.

              in 1994, the GOP won all the statewide races except for lt. gov, controller and senator, and feinstein beat huffington by just 2%.

              i can go back further, but the pattern is pretty clear. dems did quite well in 2010 for a midterm election. if anything, when viewed over the long run, what emerges is a see-saw pattern with a long term trend inexorably moving towards democrats. 2010 was not as solid as 2008, but it was the best midterm dems have had in the state in 20 years. to sweep the statewide races with as liberal a bunch of candidates as we fielded this time is a real accomplishment, and points to the youth actually showing up at levels exceeding what people expected, if anything. and prop 19 was a part of that.

              surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

              by wu ming on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 01:47:07 AM PDT

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              •  I didn't say that it was exceptional for (0+ / 0-)

                a midterm (though it wasn't great).

                I said it was the wrong year to try to pass Prop 19, and likely would have been the wrong year to try to overturn Prop 8 even if we'd gotten the signatures.

                In the next Presidential year, those showing up to vote will look a lot more like the pool of all eligible voters.

                Going back to '94 is, btw, pretty much pointless.

                The state has changed massively since then, with epic white flight and immigration profoundly altering our demographics.

                Capitalism already ate itself. Now it's just shitting itself.

                by JesseCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 02:39:15 AM PDT

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      •  and the senate was close...having boxer win (2+ / 0-)
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        was definitely a necessity.

        I didn't like voting for politicians whose stance on marijuana is that people belong in jail for weed. That I belonged in jail for weed. Get the fuck out of here. But I had to vote for Brown, boxer, and Harris even though they all had to 'support' Prohibition. (well, not jerry brown, he helped us decrim weed back in the 70s in the first place. So he was just doing what he had to do politically)

        Instead of throwing stones at the seniors in California, we youth have to blame ourselves. We didn't turnout. or we took the advice of some jackass dispensary worker or "stoners against 19" bullshit.

        I really wish i took pictures in LA of the No on 19 protestors in LA two weeks back. They deserve to be shown with their signs on the internet, and laughed at.

        witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

        by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:51:19 PM PDT

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        •  the "stoners against 19" argument was potent (3+ / 0-)
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          if we are to pass it in 2012, we need to find a way to negate that argument, either by rewriting parts of the bill that gave some support to those arguments, or finding winning ways of defusing the argument to people on the fence.

          mostly, turning out supporters in huge numbers is key. a general election should be good in that regard, midterms are always an uphill slog.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:16:29 PM PDT

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      •  my bad, race widened quite a bit since last (3+ / 0-)
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        night. they were fairly close with over half of the votes in, but boxer really pulled away.

        good point.

        witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

        by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:04:24 PM PDT

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    •  When first you don't succeed... (2+ / 0-)
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      change the Be, JesseCW

      try, try again.

      The anti-abortion crazies get this.  And we're much more, well, mellow than that.

      A Proud Member of the Professional Left® since August 10th, 2010.

      by mbayrob on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:51:28 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the perspective. (3+ / 0-)
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    So obviously the 18-29 group (65%+ in favor) didn't show up in the midterms (as I had feared when I heard this was going to be on the ballot in 2010 instead of 2012) and Yes got stomped by the 65+ conservative crowd, can it/will it be on the ballot again in 2012? Is there a timeout before you can bring it back to be voted on?

  •  54% to 46% (4+ / 0-)

    I had been wondering what the percentages were.
    I couldn't believe the stats on the over 55's. They were stark-conservative and overwhelmingly voted against it. This is the ex-hippie demographic.
    This was a comment I read on another blog..

    Prop 19 did not pass because it was poorly written. It did not fully address the logistics of taxation and commerce, instead leaving each city and county free to adopt or not. Growers did not vote for it because it would have a severe affect on their finances, effectively lowering their prices. Many voters prefer the change coming in January when possession of less than an ounce will be a misdemeanor offense punishable by a citation and fine.
    Did the Feds threat affect the vote? I think minimally at best. I voted for this proposition, knowing it probably would not pass. In 2012, I will again vote for legalizing mj if on the ballot. I just hope that when it is introduced then, it will be better thought out and better written.

    what did buddha say to the hotdog man? make me one with everything

    by steelman on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:42:30 PM PDT

    •  schwarzenegger caved in to us (3+ / 0-)
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      that was a concession by the establishment to the movement. Sure, it's been a movement of incrementalism. No doubt about that. We've been losing the war on cannabis for 4 decades, so I'll say it again: change takes time.

      witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

      by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:44:21 PM PDT

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    •  not sure it's the over-55 as much as the over-65 (5+ / 0-)

      demographic. the big inflection point on most social issues is around 65, a bit older than most boomers. it will be interesting to see what happens to that pattern as the boomers age into the over-65 bracket, and the young x'ers/millennials move into the higher voting frequencies of middle-age.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:48:59 PM PDT

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      •  LA county voted against 19 (0+ / 0-)

        that kinda blew my mind.

        but everything happened so fast. over the course of the Bush years, the number of weed dispensaries EXPLODED. i remember posting links here on dkos from forbes mag online showing there to be more dispensaries in LA county than starbucks. Seriously.

        we all needed something to get through the bush years.

        witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

        by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:10:08 PM PDT

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        •  unfortunately, they didn't boom in smaller cities (1+ / 0-)
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          in inland CA. one true but not necessarily compelling argument for full legalization is to finally let the boring small town folks without a hook-up who shy away from messing with dubious legality for professional reasons finally get stoned in the open. when you look at those vote totals, there's a lot of us squares out there, even if most of them are too chicken to put a bumper sticker on their station wagon.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:40:07 PM PDT

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      •  I can tell you what will happen... (5+ / 0-)

        ...We are going to demand that all nursing homes be given an ample supply of marijuana or we'll use our wheelchairs to block the freeways until our cannabis-on-demand manifesto is read over the airwaves. And, oh, we'll demand an end to whatever stupid wars are being fought at the time, too.

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:48:56 PM PDT

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        •  i hope to heck you're true (2+ / 0-)
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          at least in CA, the political future of the next 2 or so decades will be determined in large part by whether the boomers end up aligning with the liberal youth, or rather fall into the same reactionary pattern as the silent generation and their parents did, and align with gen jones and the older x'ers.

          the strongest alliances are intergenerational. that's what's so inspiring about the french, where students are protesting against pension cuts. i really hope we can pull that off here, and resist the pressures to fragment.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:57:19 PM PDT

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          •  My (Obama's) generation is a problem (3+ / 0-)
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            ...for Dems for the long haul.  We are the Reagan era teens and young adults and (unlike myself and my spouse), our voting patterns have been rather conservative.  I wish it weren't so, but that's what I've read in various surveys and what I see in the people I know.  

            Somehow my generation morphed Gordon Gecko from the villain into the hero--this still astonishes me.  They drank the supply-siding koolaid and believe govt. is inherently evil while business is inherently good.  (Nevermind that the market and govt. roles have actually been the reverse for the past decade in real life.)

            I'm of the age where I remember the abrupt transition (while in college) from pot friendly/no drinking-age-enforcement to tight restrictions all in the space of about 12-24 months.  It's remarkable to reflect on how rapidly things changed from my freshman year.  

            And the generation believes they pay too many  federal income taxes, even though we pay next to nothing with respect to income tax compared to what we paid just 10 years ago.  Whenever I ask a tax whiner about their actual overall income tax rate they seem dumbfounded.  Never met one yet who had actually bothered to look at it (hell, TurboTax will print it for them on the summary page, has for the past decade or more.)

               

            This election is like going into a job interview with a resume that only says how much the other candidates suck.

            by Celtic Pugilist on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:37:17 PM PDT

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            •  You're a bit older than my generation (2+ / 0-)
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              People about 5 years older than me, and up, are a serious problem.  People a bit older than me have as their earliest political memory Iran-Contra; a bit younger and it's the fall of the Soviet Union.  After that, Bill Clinton.  It's all more Democratic as you go down from there.

              -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

              by neroden on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:52:50 PM PDT

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              •  this is the problem with talking re. generations (0+ / 0-)

                the significant political shifts don't always line up with nice even decades, and they aren't even all that consistent on an issue by issue basis.

                i find that the real dividing line between gen x and millennials is whether one remembers the cold war or not (or in a glib sense, whether one has used or remembers the use of the comeback line "hey man, it's a free country," which dropped off of the face of the earth in the early 90s). i share a lot of political views and values with my younger siblings, but for them the cold war never really happened, whereas for me it was there, but it was never as potent or terrifying as, say, for my boomer parents.

                surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                by wu ming on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:32:31 AM PDT

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              •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

                I have fond memories of the moonshots, the bicentennial, and not so fond memories of the Iran hostage crisis, rampant inflation, 55 mph speed limiters, and of course the first shuttle disaster.  I also remember the gaunt Vietnam POW's returning home on the tarmac as I watched as a boy, not yet understanding what sort of hell they had endured.  (Treatment of veterans like my dad by war protesters is still a sore point with me and has caused immeasurable damage to democrats...my family is one who serves any time our nation calls and I would go in a heartbeat today if truly needed.)

                Clinton was a great celebration for me.  It was the end of the ~WWII generation in charge of our nation and felt like a new era.  Bush Sr. seemed terribly out of touch and it was time for folks my parents' age to take over.  When I went to see him stump, Clinton said all the things about responsibility, opportunity, etc. that this small town boy needed to hear.  He's a damned fine speaker who can touch the soul, even when I differ with him (and his business conservative bent) it is hard not to like him personally, just like Obama.  (I last heard Clinton speak live about a year ago at a local presentation.)

                Dubya was a disaster.  I didn't consider him a legitimate president for his first term (still don't!)  He did win the second through sheer avarice.  I will give the man one bit of credit:  he made it possible for Obama/Dems to organize a last ditch rescue to avoid bank collapse on his watch.  He effectively repudiated his own espoused principles to do so, and while I loathe his legacy, he did something admirable for the good of the nation at its end.  As much as I condemn him for everything else, this last act was the one time he rose above and was presidential.

                This election is like going into a job interview with a resume that only says how much the other candidates suck.

                by Celtic Pugilist on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:44:03 AM PDT

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          •  if you look at some of polls for legalization (1+ / 0-)
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            you've probably already noticed how support drops off for "gen x" the "reagan era teens" that you mention.

            their support for pot is lower than millenials and boomers. the 80s weren't a good time for marijuana, from some perspectives. our national consumption habits shifted from sativas to indoor grown indicas, due to the need to escape Reagan's escalation of the drug war by moving indoors.

            the Rise of Indoor Hydroponic Indicas are part the reason that "organic" and "all natural" fell out of favor, and "couchblock" and "kush" and very heavy, narcotic-like highs became more popular.

            that is likely the inspiration behind these hysterical reports of "OMG! weed is so much stronger and more dangerous!!"

            it's not.

            some folks just love the anxiety-destroying, couchblck freeze-mode-type high that the CBD in indicas (like kush strains) provide the user.

            witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

            by change the Be on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:29:28 AM PDT

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      •  Whenever I go to a blues show in Madison (2+ / 0-)
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        wu ming, change the Be

        there's at least one table beckons me over, "Ben, do you have any? I haven't smoked in 17 years, but I just retired, don't have to worry about pee tests anymore."

        Agricultural hemp is "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs."

        by ben masel on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:00:59 AM PDT

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        •  k2 , spice gold, and other synthetic (1+ / 0-)
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          cannabinoids are testing the weaknesses of drug laws by simply replacing one chemical compound that is banned with a slight variant that is not banned. so it's how a lot of folks get around those tests. i suspect a large number of pro athletes use synthetic cannabis instead of the real thing, now that they actually "work", so to speak.

          it's a novel example of how the drug war is failing in these modern times.

          witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

          by change the Be on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:33:00 AM PDT

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    •  One correction to the block quote though... (0+ / 0-)

      The changes that take affect Jan 1st will make possession an infraction (like a traffic ticket) and no longer a misdemeanor.

  •  too damn bad (4+ / 0-)

    I was hoping California would sound the death knell for the stupid "war on drugs and kids".

  •  prop 19 could have helped parole problem (4+ / 0-)

    I didn't get a chance to really get this point out there in the gazillion cannabis diaries I've published here in 2010...but everyone focuses on ALL THE MONEY WE WON'T SPEND LOCKING UP CALIFORNIANS.

    we hear ya, we hear ya dudes. It's quite true.

    but the probation/parole system is broken because everyone is violating their parole on drug charges/dirty tests. cannabis is the most widely used drug, so obviously it causes a lot of violations of parole. Half of all prisoners in CA aren't there because of a jury conviction or judge's ruling...they violated their parole, and a panel run by prison guards sentenced them to a "violation term". They are 3-12 months in our Golden State.

    so you've got parolees doing six months for a joint.

    witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

    by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 09:59:27 PM PDT

  •  yep. If Prop 19 had (2+ / 0-)
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    been in a presidential election year, it would've passed. Too many Dems/Liberals stayed home.

    Hey Republicans! Betcha you're not going to beat up on waitresses in 2012, are ya? Are ya?

    by blueoregon on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:01:53 PM PDT

  •  Thank the Democratic Party. (2+ / 0-)
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    tmo, neroden

    I do believe they refused to come out and actually support this proposition.

    So, one party is against it, and none for it.

    I'm shocked it got as many votes as it did.  And I'm damned disapointed in the California electorate this year for not approving this thing.

    If not now, in the midst of a devestating budgetary crisis in California, when?

    The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10

    by Rick Aucoin on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:03:10 PM PDT

  •  The biggest obstacle was parents. (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Beisdes prop 19 was poorly written.

    Better luck in 2012.

    And get it in "parents" heads this is not a bad thing.

    ...Fuck the High Priests...

    by Tirge Caps on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:12:20 PM PDT

    •  well, rewrite it (2+ / 0-)
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      and bring it to the table in '12.

      I've heard very few of the "it was badly written crowd" step up to the plate with their alternative drafts of a Prop.

      one study, god i'm too tired to dig thru my old diaries for it but I will if I have to, showed that support for 19 went UP after people read it, and saw that it disallowed public smoking, or in front of minors. there would of course be penalties, both existing ones and new, for driving under the influence.

      witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

      by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:33:55 PM PDT

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    •  Ya, I can testify to that (1+ / 0-)
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      All the parents at my work said no.  I asked what they felt about alcohol?  They also said no.  I pointed out that alcohol is not going away.  They said well don't add pot to it.  :(

      I pointed out no one is going to ban alcohol.  No response.

  •  stephen colbert on twitter: ha (4+ / 0-)
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    My condolences to the supporters of California 's Prop 19. If only you had a way to soothe your sorrows.

    witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

    by change the Be on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:27:49 PM PDT

  •  Make no mistake! (3+ / 0-)
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    Prop 19 won the Governor's office for Jerry Brown.  We have discovered a wonderful wedge issue to bring out the young people (who wouldn't normally come out for a mid-term election and typically vote Democrat) in Marijuana legalization.

  •  Everyone knows Whitman is a bum trip. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sure, paranoia can drive you to eat junk food, but a dose of Whitman can unplug you from reality completely.

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:39:48 PM PDT

  •  For the record... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...press conference statements - like public speeches of politicians - can be published in full.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:46:22 PM PDT

  •  It will be back in 2012 (0+ / 0-)

    They can fine tune the wording and hope that a presidential year will turn out more youth voters.

  •  She's hold out for a "second chance offer". (0+ / 0-)
  •  Bud more popular than Meg? (1+ / 0-)
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    This is a surprise?

    Bud is welcome in far more homes, and does more for the average Californian, than Meg ever would or could.

    The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

    by Orange County Liberal on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:24:49 PM PDT

  •  If Meg had spent her $160 million (3+ / 0-)
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    passing out weed, she might have won.  Instead, she wasted it on annoying commercials and expensive consultants.

  •  75% for Medical in Dane County, WI (3+ / 0-)
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    The Dems on our County Board placed a non-binding medical marijuana referendum on the ballot. We carried every municipality, all but two by 2 to 1. Our totals in every municipality, rural, suburban, and Madison, topped the vote total for every Candidate, showing support not only from Democratic voters, but a substantial slice of republicans as well.

    An identical referendum in River Falls, home to a UW branch campus, garnered 68%. Turnout in student wards at the Madison and River Falls campuses (good but not great) far exceeded that at the other UW branches, which was dismal.

    Projecting from the effect in river Falls, had the measure been on the ballot in the other college towns, the additional turnout have saved 2 Assembly and one State Senate seat, and cut Russ Feingold's deficit in half.

    Agricultural hemp is "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs."

    by ben masel on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:13:36 AM PDT

    •  wow (0+ / 0-)

      Projecting from the effect in river Falls, had the measure been on the ballot in the other college towns, the additional turnout have saved 2 Assembly and one State Senate seat, and cut Russ Feingold's deficit in half.

      witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

      by change the Be on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:38:03 AM PDT

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    •  given those vote totals (1+ / 0-)
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      how likely do you think it is that a statewide medical marijuana initiative would pass in wisconsin?

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 12:41:10 AM PDT

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      •  We don't have an initiative process. (1+ / 0-)
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        If we did, we'd have used it, and won handily, long ago.

        The last 2 years we had Democratic control in both chambers, a Democratic Governor who said he'd sign, a few Republicans committed to vote yes in each Chamber, but the Leadership refused to give us floor votes.

        Both the Senate Majority leader and the Assembly Speaker lost their own races Tuesday. Good riddance.

        Agricultural hemp is "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs."

        by ben masel on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 01:03:18 AM PDT

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