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  •  Does the Dalai Lama dump in the forest? (2+ / 0-)

    Is Rasmussen Republican?  Does RCP average some less than reliable polls?

    Gosh, what does it all mean Mr. Natural?

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 12:44:07 AM PDT

  •  The polls this year were part of the weapon used (6+ / 0-)

    Against democrats, Rasmussen came out of the gates with narrative setting polls that drove the lazy pundits into overdrive about how the dems are DOOMED!!!. Nate Silver just posted on his blog a devastating piece on how Rasmussen tilted big time to the repubs. Rasmussen had Buck, Angle and Rossi winning races they eventually lost. The democratic party needs to be prepared going into 2012 about confronting the fraud polls Ras will be putting out to damage the president and the party.

  •  Polling is part of the Republican "preparing the (8+ / 0-)

    ground" strategy.  The object is to encourage supporters, who need to be on the winning team to get out and vote and discourage democrats enough to get them to stay home.  This is not a new strategy.  All those years when everyone bemoaned low voter turnout, that was actually a subdued cheer that the strategy had "worked."  If universal suffrage can't be reversed, then the only option is to suppress and depress the electorate.  That can't be accomplished on election day.  It's a 365/24/7 effort.  And it's not just about getting out the vote.  Making political participation unattractive and disgusting and an embarrassment is part and parcel of the strategy to maintain control of the nation.  Office holders who disgrace their position of trust also serve the purpose of turning moral people off.  Even portraying providing for the general welfare as pandering to selfishness helps.  All the while, the truly selfish are paraded as paragons of virtue, self-made men whose example is to be followed.  Then there's the greatest myth of all--that American enterprise is "free."  The truth is that from the beginning, commerce and industry have relied on protection and preference and physical back-up (remember the cavalry v. the Indians?) to claim a share of public assets and use them for themselves.  The transfer of public goods into private wealth has been with us from when Europeans first set foot on the continent claiming the new world for the crowned heads of Europe.  People power or popular government is still a promise never realized in Euro-American times.  Rejecting things European is just another fake.
    What's different in 2010 is that it has been a season of fakes and flakes which managed to distract the electorate while their pockets were picked of what little there is left.

    What we need to understand is that pick-pockets won't stop when they have enough.  They're obsessed with the picking, the challenge of not getting caught.  So, they have to be stopped.  Their delight is in the deprivation, not the accumulation of booty.  Though, the accumulators need to be stopped, as well.  Obsessives all.

    The conservative mind relies mainly on what is plain to see.

    by hannah on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:20:34 AM PDT

  •  Here in Hawaii (3+ / 0-)
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    vets74, Tam in CA, aufklaerer

    PPP polled the Governor's race as dead even.  Abercrombie beat Aiona by 17 points.

    "It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker

    by Rolfyboy6 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 01:58:00 AM PDT

  •  I will say this: (3+ / 0-)
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    myboo, vets74, Tam in CA

    In Nevada, Harry Reid's internal polling showed him winning by between 4-8 points in the last two weeks of the campaign. Everybody else had a slight to growing Angle lead. John Ralston, the Dean of Nevadan political coverage, was viciously attacked by the wingnut owner/op/ed controller of the Las Vegas Review Journal, for days and days, as a liar with a biased liberal agenda for reporting honest numbers from internal Reid polls. No apology was forthcoming, even though he was right.

    Here's why:

    1. Reid knew the Latino vote was there. Pollsters do not like to conduct bilingual polling, and a huge chunk of the voters who broke for Reid flew under the radar because they were Spanish-speakers, livid at the Angle campaign and the attempt at voter suppression by a Latino wingnut who tried to float an ad telling Latinos not to vote, who were simply grossly under-polled, if not polled at all.
    1. Reid's pollster polled for cell-phone only homes. There is simply no way no ignore that there are more liberal and moderate 'cell phone only' households than those who traditionally describe themselves as Movement Conservative ones. Depending on where you are in the country, you could be missing (I've seen it estimated as being from 2% up to 4% of) the potential vote.

    To go outside of Nevada, just as a general comment:

    A. I think it's time to consider the possibility that a lot more minor league wannabe bigwhig pollsters are, basically, stealing money from their clients. If the CW is x, and you collect a cross-section of data from other pollsters that bolster the CW narrative you subscribe to, you get what looks legit and you get paid for it.

    B. The Hack Factor. (Or, shall we dare say The Rasmussen Factor.) Some polls were clearly designed to feed a narrative. Notice, Rasmussen was way, way off. But they have felt not a lick of client backlash. Where is the Village outrage? Well, if it's a Republican screwjob, it never materializes. No shock. Forget about the media for a second, a whole lot of Republicans should be shitting nails and broken glass right now. Oddly. Or, tellingly... they are not.  

    Like a lot of them knew the screwjob was in.

    •  We put a $42,000 bet on that. (0+ / 0-)

      Also had Bennet come through, though that race was not my personal choice.

      Too bad about WI, PA and Grayson. The 19:1 odds with Grayson were the temptation.

      I (heart) Rasmussen for suckering in the Angle and Buck bettors.

      Yeah, team.

      Career criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 07:35:28 AM PDT

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  •  rasmussen mentioned he blew a couple (2+ / 0-)
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    TheGreatLeapForward, vets74

    It wasn't an apology he stated every pollster misses a few. If you look at his final results vs reality he stunk up the place.
    He blew a lot of governor races also. PPP blew him out of the water except for a couple of bad polls he called most races pretty close.

  •  This is not bad methodology. (1+ / 0-)
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    vets74

    This is deliberate. It creates pressure on the middle telling them that expectations are that they go Republican. It worked.

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 03:48:35 AM PDT

  •  Gee, no mention of Gallup ????? (0+ / 0-)

    Those brain-whores had the GOPers up 55%-to-40%.

    They like that 55% figure. comes up frequently when they push a propaganda meme:

    #
    Republicans Appear Poised to Win Big on Tuesday - Gallup
    Oct 31, 2010 ... The results are from Gallup's Oct. 28-31 survey of 1539 likely voters. It finds 52% to 55% of likely voters preferring the Republican ...
    www.gallup.com/poll/.../republicans-appear-poised-win-big-tuesday.aspx
    #
    Record-High 55% of Americans "Financially Worse Off" - Gallup
    For the first time in Gallup history, a majority of Americans (55%) say they are worse off...

    #
    In US, Majority Favors Suspending Work on Healthcare Bill - Gallup
    By 55% to 39%, Americans say the president and Congress should now suspend HCR Bill deliberations...
    #
    Breaking: Final Gallup Poll Shows GOP with 55% to 40% Generic advantage for Republicans... Oct 31, 2010 ... The final Gallup poll shows that likely voters prefer Republicans to Democrats by a 55% to 40% margin on the congressional ballot. ...
    #
    Gallup: 55% Say Terrorists Were Asking For It | The Weekly Standard
    A majority of Americans (55%) say that the Bush administration's use of terror....

    You get the concept.

    If the target meme is getting the full sales pitch, they get in the 55% decision tag.

    Fuckers.

    Career criminals + Angry White Males + KKK wannabes + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

    by vets74 on Fri Nov 05, 2010 at 07:59:37 AM PDT

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