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I saw the diary on the Rec list titled "Restoration: How to Fight Back and Win", and I thought to myself, dream on!

The oligarchy has other plans for you, and as the recent elections showed, their money and power, with help from the brainwashed masses, will defeat the well meaning intellectuals on the left.

The Oligarchy of the West wants to match up and beat the oligarchy in China. They're not interested in your democracy. They're interested in money and power, and they don't want to give it up to you nor to the Chinese.

They will do the opposite of everything you think you will do to "restore democracy"....

Destroy the Middle Class

They don't need a middle class. they need a large supply of cheap labor just like in China. The rich can maintain themselves as producers and consumers. they don't need the stupid masses. the stupid masses are only good for being slave laborers.

  1. eliminate the estate tax

who do you stupid slave laboring masses think you are to take away the generational wealth that the oligarchy has amassed? do you actually think the powerhouse superrich families will let you have their wealth? No, they'd rather you just eat cake.

  1. stock and derivatives transactions tax.

fuck you! The wealthy want to weal and deal and sell derivatives and swaps till the dogs come home. mind your own business you slave laborer!

  1. bring back jobs to this country

don't worry, jobs will come back to this country: slave jobs. when you stupid masses will accept your proper place in this world and take the slave wages and do your work and shut up about it, then you'll have jobs!

  1. minimum wage

which part of slave don't you get? your minimum wage is dried bread and water.

  1. corporate taxes.

take you dirty slave hands off of their money, you communist wealth redistributor!

  1. public colleges and vocational training

superior eduction is for the children of the super wealthy. only the super talented will be taken out from the masses and allowed into the good schools. when you have millions of masses, you can cherry pick their high IQ offspring, and train them to create the innovations that you will profit from. the rest of them don't need higher education. they just need to learn how to put your widgets together.

"There are many other chapters in this tale, but they all have to revolve around the simple theme of [destroying] the Middle Class."

Destroying the Democracy

stupid slave laborers don't need or deserve democracy. they just rather listen to which ever clown "news"caster is put up in front of them, and they will cheer for the "political parties" just like they cheer for their favorite football team.

Restoring the Planet

slave laborers can live in the slums. as long as the oligarchy has a nice enough environment, they don't give a rat's about the rest.

Originally posted to darwinsfeet on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:04 PM PDT.


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    •  Congrats (0+ / 0-)

      This is one of the best China bashing diaries I have read on Daily Kos in a couple of months, and very comprehensive on the communist-capitalist-slavery thingy.


      Yep, Yellow Peril strikes again. Good work.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 07:52:34 AM PST

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  •  Feh! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:06:54 PM PDT

  •  Huh?! (5+ / 0-)

    Dude, I wish we could be more like China. China is the wave of the future. Go there and check it out sometime.

    Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

    by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:11:15 PM PDT

      •  Sorry, not gonna click on your (3+ / 0-)


        Again, I ask you, diarist, have you ever been to China? I'm guessing you haven't, otherwise you would see that they are hopeful optimists, like we used to be some 50 years ago.

        Cheers, and enjoy your China bashing!

        Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

        by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:25:06 PM PDT

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    •  Wave Of The Future? (3+ / 0-)

      Does that mean I can expect a "Great Firewall"? Because according to the PRC, citizens can't be trusted with Facebook, YouTube, or even Daily Kos if they deem it inappropriate.

      •  Well, I don't (2+ / 0-)

        see any porn on YouTube. Why is that? And are you saying that Facebook is some friend of privacy? Lol. And how about Obama supporting Bush's directives to be able to spy on us? See Glenn Greenwald's blog if you don't know what I am talking about.

        Oh, and China doesn't need Google, btw. They got their own search engines. They are not horribly suffering from lack of information as you might think. Indeed, my student's from China are much more aware of history and world events than my American students. Imagine that!

        As for Tienanmen, uh, Barack Obama and George W. Bush are responsible for way more deaths than what happened at the Gate of Heavenly Peace. Your juvenile Simpson pic kinda sums up teh stupid that is gringo knowledge of China.

        But thanks for playing.

        Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

        by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:43:52 PM PDT

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        •  the point is not china is bad and US is good (0+ / 0-)

          the point is China is bad, and the US is headed in the same direction.

          •  Dude, you are weird... (1+ / 0-)
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            I thought you were all about snark, but now you are getting all serious on me.

            Again, have you ever been to China?  I'm not saying that only those who have been to China can comment on it, but I ask because your opinion of the place seems so totally divorced from reality!

            I mean, yes, I hope we get tons of high-speed trains here too!

            Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

            by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:50:05 PM PDT

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            •  China has 200 million bloggers according to BBC (3+ / 0-)

              "over 200 million"  was reading today.  "March of the Netcitizens" the article is entitled.  That seems astounding and I dont have the time to study how freedom of speech and the internet is playing itself out.

              I have a lot to say about China (yes I've been there), but I can't stick around to talk this evening.

              Have a great evening  

          •  More accurately (3+ / 0-)
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            China is bad and the US is also bad, but our flavor of badness is different from theirs.

            We've got chicken-fried badness, with Southern gravy, and they've got more of a General Tso's chicken badness with soup.

            The US will never be headed in the same direction because in China the present flavor of "capitalism" is one where state-directed enterprises are still pretty important and there are non-trivially sized sovereign wealth funds to go along with it. Such things are anathema to chicken-fried "capitalism"(*)

            (*) except in Alaska, New Mexico, and Wyoming

            41 million Americans on food stamps. So let's help bankers moar.

            by tiggers thotful spot on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:27:50 PM PDT

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        •  Of Course..... (5+ / 0-)

          The fallacy of Moral Equivalence... the "but he did it too" ("Tu Quoque") defense. A staple of 7-year-olds around the world. It's right up there with Godwin's Law violations.

          You're right, China is a paradise of intellectual freedom.

          It's not like almost every NGO in the goddamn world has criticized the PRC.

          It's not like people within the country have been arrested & put in prison for trying to speak their mind about support for democratic reforms (aka what people on this very website do every goddamn day).

          It's not like one of them, Liu Xiaobo, was just given a Nobel Peace Prize, and in response had his wife detained by the government.

          But we've done bad shit too, so that makes it okay & them to do even worse shit, and they're the wave of the future, right? Please.

          From BBC News:

          BBC News website reader Shiulinsheng describes the feeling of entrapment in a restricted web.

          "I love my country but I am trapped in the big local net of China. I understand the government but foreign friends, we are changing. I love Google and I want to visit YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. I hope tomorrow everything will be better."

          One of the most popular re-tweets on Twitter on the subject of net freedom is a sarcastic comment, mocking the thinking behind web restrictions. Directly translated, it says: "To publish the Chinese constitution on the internet wouldn't be in accordance with the Chinese characteristics." It means the idea of having the freedom to publish things on the internet, even if it is the constitution, would be against the Chinese way of doing things.

          •  So now I'm the 7-year-old, (0+ / 0-)

            even though it was you who posted a pic from the Simpsons? Now you are finally being funny.

            As the richest, most powerful country in the world --uh, and you realize that I am not talking about China, I'm talking about the US--we have for decades said that "nothing has happened." But if something happens in developping countries like China, then we can pull out all the Simpsons pics that we can! Yeah! USA! USA!

            What percentage of the population in the PRC who have "spoken their minds" are now in prison? Have you looked that up?  Or do you blindly rely on what the NGOs say, supposedly neutral entities that played a role in the attempted coup against Hugo Chávez. Give me a break.

            But we've done bad shit too, so that makes it okay & them to do even worse shit

            Dude, China has done worse shit than us?! Come on! Oh, sorry...USA! USA! USA!

            Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

            by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:28:58 PM PDT

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            •  Yes..... (1+ / 0-)
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              Dude, China has done worse shit than us?! Come on!

              I can access almost any website I want at the moment. Can anyone living in China, not using a proxy server, say the same thing?

              The reason that image from "The Simpsons" is still circulated on the internet is because it's true. And no society that fears its citizens having a Facebook page or watching YouTube videos is the "wave of the future." Any societal structure, that is so fragile that it can't stand one of its own citizens saying bad things about it, is not one to point to as an example to emulate.

              As the richest, most powerful country in the world --uh, and you realize that I am not talking about China, I'm talking about the US--we have for decades said that "nothing has happened."

              Really? At this moment, I can access almost any information I want on any moment in American history, both good & bad, from various sources. People in this country can write any criticism they want about this government, and have a right to do it. On this very website, Ojibwa writes various diaries on the history of Native American genocide.

              If Ojibwa were a Chinese Citizen & wanted to publish a piece about the million or so Tibetans who've either been killed or went "missing" during PRC rule of Tibet, do you think he/she could publish it for all to see on the internet in China? Do you want to tell me it could be done without fear of reprisal?

              In prisons across China, inmates languish for committing "political crime" - anything from starting an illegal newspaper, trade union, or unofficial religious church, or speaking a democracy slogan in public... In China, such expression can be prosecuted with zeal; sentences are stiff. Take Zhang Wei, in a Chongqing jail for six years for running unapproved news in his paper. Or Huang Aiping, in a Fujian jail seven years for being an elder in an illegal Protestant church that allowed "holy singing and dancing." Or two Uighur teens, serving 15 years in a Kashi jail for swapping China's flag for an east Turkistan one at 2 a.m.

              What's remarkable is that such cases are known at all, say China experts. In fact, more than 4,000 political prisoners have been saved from obscurity by the Dui Hua Foundation in San Francisco. Their names go on lists shared with Western officials and presented to Chinese authorities, for better treatment and early release.


              •  I do like rimjobs, but... (2+ / 0-)
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                I can access almost any website I want at the moment. Can anyone living in China, not using a proxy server, say the same thing?

                Dude, see Dianna's post below about the number of Chinese bloggers out there. And did you know that in a totally established Democracy like Germany, Mein Kampf and swastikas are banned? Does that mean that prevents all of Germany from having any idea of Hitler? You are patronizing the Chinese.

                And you didn't answer my question as to whether China has done worse shit than us. Why don't you do start with a comparison of the countries China has invaded compared to the US since 1960, over 40 years ago. And then tell us who we should be afraid of. Who should the world be afraid of these last 40 years, China or the US?

                Did you do that comparison? Ok. So, now you know that we are a far more murderous country than China. I mean, as I've been hinting, you sound like a typical gringo "USA!!" yahoo.

                And, yes, I am familiar with Ojibwa's diaries. Not sure what that has to do with this thread, however. Do you think he approves of the Vietnam War, for example? Or the Iraq war? Or Afganistan? Or Guantanamo?

                No matter how you try to cut it, we have been much worse than China. And check out the comparison in our military spending while you are at it. Would you rather us continue the amount of military spending we do or would you rather we reduce it to the levels of evil China?  

                If you are the gringo yahoo that I am suspecting you are, I'm guessing that you would want us to continue in our ways. I hope that I am wrong, however.  

                Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

                by Anak on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 12:47:19 AM PDT

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                •  They invaded Vietnam (1+ / 0-)
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                  right after Americans left. Their invasion didn't go very well but it's a different story.

                  •  No. the fougt a short border war (2+ / 0-)
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                    Ad wisely retreated.

                    And now we have American aircraft carriers crusing the South Chna Sea to protect "Strategic American Intersts".


                    What about my Daughter's future?

                    by koNko on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 07:56:02 AM PST

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                    •  That short border war resulted in 60,000 dead. (0+ / 0-)

                      The only reason it was short was that Chinese had trouble defeating Vietnamese and couldn't commit more troops since they were afraid of Soviets. There was also a Sino-Indian war although that had indeed been a fairly limited border dispute. And border conflicts with Soviets. And Chinese support of Pol Pot. Not that US did any better but the claims that China was somehow a completely non-aggressive country are clearly bogus.

                      •  Generally I agree (0+ / 0-)

                        Note I said "wisely reterated".

                        And let me note the recent US policy to abandon neutrality and meddle in the territorial disputes concering unihabited islands that have been disputed by multiple parties continiously since WWII, but never resulted in a shooting war was most unwise.

                        However, of late, Cinton has back-tracked after creating a mess Japan and China must now sort-out so maybe she's wising-up since this did absolutely no good for the US.

                        I'd suggest Clinton reign in her impulse to control others, it's making her look intemperate and foolish.

                        What about my Daughter's future?

                        by koNko on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 06:21:24 PM PST

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      •  I was able to access Daily Kos while in China. (2+ / 0-)
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        This was a couple years ago, so things may be different now.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:03:51 PM PDT

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        •  This diary is wrong on so many levels (5+ / 0-)

          I read Daily Kos and evrything else while I was there for two years until last April.

          The Chinese are actively encouraging the rise of a middle class and consumption.

          China DOES have a minimum wage.

          China DOES have universal health coverage, though limited in scope.

          China takes care of its people in massive weather/earth emergencies. To watch the country leap to action after the Sizhuan earthquake two years ago blew my mind, after Katrina.  When typhoons threaten, government law forbids driving or working, and everyone shelters in public buildings.  Look at the death tolls on Taiwan vs those on mainland China after typhoons cross--for example, several hundred died in one in Taiwan last year, three died on the mainland.

          When the market crashed, the Chinese govt immediately created millions of jobs in the public sector, in tea and infrastructure, to try to replace  the jobs lost.

          Is there corruption in China? Hell, yeah. Do we even want to try to go nose to nose in the govt purity department after our last bought'n paid for election?

          You can't keep dragging up Tiananmen Square as the rebuttal to everything.

          And, oh snap! Slave labor? Let's talk prison stats:

          In absolute terms, the United States currently has the largest inmate population in the world, with more than 2½ million[11] or more than one in a hundred adults[12] in prison and jails. Although the United States represents less than 5% of the world's population, over 25% of the people incarcerated around the world are housed in the American prison system. Pulitzer Prize winning author Joseph T. Hallinan wrote in his book Going Up the River: Travels in a Prison Nation, "so common is the prison experience that the federal government predicts one in eleven men will be incarcerated in his lifetime, one in four if he is black." In 2002, both Russia and China also had prison populations in excess of 1 million.[13] By October 2006, the Russian prison population declined to 869,814 which translated into 611 prisoners per 100,000 population.

          As a percentage of total population, the United States also has the largest imprisoned population, with 739 people per 100,000 serving time, awaiting trial or otherwise detained.[14]

          At one point the US beat China hands down in terms of freedoms and opportunities.  That day has come and sadly gone, I'm afraid.

          •  Okay, so I went overboard... (5+ / 0-)

            In terms of political freedoms, we are, er, somewhat ahead...okay, very ahead.

            But the Chinese had over 80,000 demonstrations against their local officials the last year I was there. There is a groundswell of change in the air.

          •  thank you for writing this comment 100 times (3+ / 0-)

            I could not do it as well.  but I was invited to China in 1985 and spent 6 weeks in the interior.  China is far more complicated and complex than most Americans have any vague idea of who they really are.

            From UCLA international student center we had a 58 year old Chinese Doctor live with us for two years.  It was an eye opening experience for all of us and the reason we were invited to China.

            One of the things that surprised the Chinese about themselves was their initial fear of universal access to education.  They really thought that if everyone could read books that is what they would choose to do all day.  They found out like the US that the majority of people really aren't that interested.

            But in 1985, TV, like it began in the US, was highly regulated as to time and duration because people would watch TV all day.  I did not see a TV until I was 10.  Initially, it did not play all day because programs were too expensive.  It had early morning news and breakfast hour and then was test pattern until after school.  At 10PM the flag came on and the star spangled banner was played and then off.  In the morning the flag was raised and the pledge given.  In 85, China was similar.

      •  have been accessing dailykos for years (2+ / 0-)
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        without a hitch.

        facebook and youtube, not so much. but then we have our own versions of those in chinese here.

        Yes, You CAN Vote From Abroad!

        by beijingbetty on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 01:52:30 AM PST

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      •  ok that's a funny picture. (1+ / 0-)
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        and apt.

        the censorship conversation is an interesting one, and a vital one - and only one facet of this fascinating place and time.

        you can insist on your version of the only facts that matter, but it won't change the reality of china and what it is, can be, is becoming, in all its vibrant complexity.

        so much better to engage with a bit of sophistication.

        Yes, You CAN Vote From Abroad!

        by beijingbetty on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 01:55:02 AM PST

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  •  what is the capital gains tax rate in China? (1+ / 0-)
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    Please tell.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:15:14 PM PDT

  •  BRIC countries are the future, whether you (4+ / 0-)
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    want to deal with it or not.

    Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. Boy, did that greek geek nail it.

    by amk for obama on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:50:56 PM PDT

    •  Yeah... (2+ / 0-)
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      and it is those countries that should spur us on to do better... But it doesn't seem to be taking hold in this country.

      Europe sucks, China sucks, Venezuela sucks, India sucks...

      We are at the top of the world? Really? Obama has been great whenever he mentions the rest of the world and their asprirations to succeed. But, again, no one here seems to be listening...


      Nuestro sacrificio es consciente; cuota para pagar la libertad que construimos--Ernesto Guevara

      by Anak on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:07:29 PM PDT

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  •  The thing I wish we could emulate (4+ / 0-)
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    from China is the ability to execute CEOs that knowingly sell tainted products.

    Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are.

    by Musket Man on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 10:56:13 PM PDT

  •  At least we got China beat on our murder rate n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  um, why drag china into this? (3+ / 0-)
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    our mess has what to do with china?

    and if you don't think our boats float on the same ocean, you're thinking about it wrong.

    Yes, You CAN Vote From Abroad!

    by beijingbetty on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 02:00:33 AM PST

  •  China is a socialist country not an oligarchy (3+ / 0-)

    Someday I would like to write a long article on this topic entitled something like "Taking Chinese Socialism Seriously."

    When you get into the gears and guts of their economic and legal system you realize that they are undoubtedly very much still a socialist country -- in terms of ownership of land and the commanding heights of finance and production, in terms of industrial policy and economic planning and guidance of the private sector by government and on many other levels.  Yes it has some very rich industrialists, but that is not inconsistent with socialism.

    The "China is capitalist" meme comes from our MSM which assumes that socialism failed in Russia, therefore socialism must fail, therefore a successful economy like China cannot be socialist.  

    It's wishful thinking on the part of people like Tom Friedman who refuse to look at how the economy actually works.

  •  If You Put the Word China in a Diary Title (0+ / 0-)

    Be careful -- a commenter in this diary told me elsewhere that I was in danger for criticizing China!  Hee ...

    Government saved the markets and sacrified its people.

    by bink on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 03:55:16 AM PST

  •  Can you please explain (0+ / 0-)

    The difference between American and Chinese oligarchy? I seem to see the same Logos everywhere and I'm sooooo confused.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 07:42:09 AM PST

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