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By interesting coincidence, the Bush mendacity road show is on the airwaves just when the film about Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson is in the theaters. Fair Game is well-written, well-acted, and well-directed, and it's hard to sit through without clenching one's fists in fury, as the entire nightmare again unfolds before you: the slow, unstoppable strategy of lying the nation into a war that has killed and devastated millions of innocent lives; the deliberate destruction of an important national security asset's career as retribution for her courageous husband's daring to tell the truth; and the right wing media machine, reflexively protecting its ideological allies by smearing and attempting to destroy two national heroes, caring not a whit for the truth, and once again putting the lie to its perpetual posturing of patriotic rectitude.

About halfway through the film, I recalled an earlier film about an earlier national scandal. But All The President's Men had a feeling of exultance about it. Because it had a sort of happy ending. A corrupt administration was forced from office. Criminals went to prison. The system worked. In some ways the current film is haunted by its earlier counterpart, because both films are so well done but only one recounts a story where the reality was well done. And with Bush on the road, hawking "his" book, one of the main stories making the rounds is of the supposedly difficult decision he made about commuting the sentence of rather than pardoning Scooter Libby. Poor Dick Cheney. Poor Scooter. And of course none of the media foofs interviewing Bush will go beyond that sordid level about personal loyalty and dare ask what Bush thought about an important national security asset's career being destroyed as retribution for her courageous husband's daring to tell the truth about Bush's lies.

As with all things Bush, the real story will not be allowed to become part of the story. Even now, the media protect the man they enabled to steal an election, get away with incompetently allowing a preventable national disaster, launch an illegal, immoral, and unjust war, spy on innocent American citizens, and commit the war crime of authorizing torture. But the Democrats also bear their share of blame. They did not investigate. They did not create a public record. They did not hold anyone accountable. And by so failing to do their civic responsibility, they allowed some of the architects of the Plame scandal to help buy the Republicans back into a share of national power. It's almost incomprehensible. It's not only bad for our national pretension of rule of law, it's terrible politics. It never was and never should have been about partisan politics, it should have been about revealing the truth, and following the law wherever the facts led it. But all that is gone, now.

In the Watergate scandal, we had Congressional committees led by an old school Southern Democrat and a machine politician from the industrial Northeast that defied expectation by doing their jobs openly and professionally, allowing the public to learn the truth and form its opinions in the process. We had a Supreme Court that ruled objectively and dispassionately, its most partisan and potentially biased member having the integrity to recuse himself rather than rule when he faced a blatant personal conflict. And we had Republican leaders who, when the facts finally had been revealed, no longer could protect their president, and so told him. We had media that took great personal and professional risks to investigate what the entrenched powers wanted them to ignore. The system worked. And that's the lesson of the new film. Because Wilson and Plame have moved on with their lives, but Bush roams free, cashing in, still working the system that made him, protected him, and makes and protects him still.

We don't have the media we had. We don't have the Supreme Court we had. We don't have the Republicans we had. We don't have the Democrats we had. The system no longer works.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:30 PM PST.

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  •  I don't recall Jon Stewart trying to explain (18+ / 0-)

    away this right-wing smear/lie/crime. Somehow his "you all do it" he says to Rachel Maddow falls on deaf ears as I read this.

    A plague on both houses Jon?  NO. A plague on anyone who will say anything that tosses these emm-effers a lifeline. And, if you watch the whole interview, Stewart does.

    -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke

    by caseynm on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:37:22 PM PST

  •  This was another brilliance of the Clinton (29+ / 0-)

    impeachment:

    It tainted all subsequent investigations as "political."

    So if Obama (or anyone) investigated Bushcrimes, it would be "political."

    Disgusting.

  •  If Watergate happened today (28+ / 0-)

    Dana Millbank and Mark Halperin would both have dueling columns up seeing who could denounce their peers Woodward and Bernstein with anonymity granted, spoon-fed Nixon ratfucker supplied, RW talking points the most.

  •  Obama's biggest failure. Not exposing the truth. (23+ / 0-)
    Obama's biggest failure is not his failure to get this or that legislation past but his failure to actually be the transformational agent for change he could have been by using the power of government and the access to information to expose the lies and corruption of the Bush years.

    All we really asked of Obama was to tell the American people the truth. That is the "change" people were looking for and the change Obama walked away from.

    Not using the power of government to expose the completely false basis for US war in Iraq and Afghanistan, as outlined by this diary, is typical.

    Same is true on almost every issue from Wall St reform to health care. If only Obama had told the American people the truth, even if the Democratic majority would not pass real reform, Obama would have done his job of using the presidency to move a nation.

  •  You found the bottom line (21+ / 0-)

    We don't have the media we had. We don't have the Supreme Court we had. We don't have the Republicans we had. We don't have the Democrats we had. The system no longer works.

    Doesn't look good for our country.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:41:40 PM PST

    •  The nation's "immune system" has collapsed. (8+ / 0-)

      The various kinds of "helper cells" have all been destroyed, with no replacements forthcoming.

      Instead of the body politic being able to defend its health through said immune system, it is now the "pathogens" (criminals) who enjoy immunity—from prosecution, under our leadership's feckless banner of "looking forward."

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:57:16 PM PST

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    •  Discouraging (3+ / 0-)
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      and unacceptable. We must hold our politicians / leaders to a higher standard.

      The challenges:
      *corporate takeover of the press
      *24/7 media
      *"Citizens united"

      All three of these are under the heading of corporate-managed (owned?) democracy.

      How to fix this? NOW!!

      •  Easy! (0+ / 0-)

        Simply enact public financing of elections, nominate true progressives to the SC and reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Oh, wait. We don't have the ability to do anything, even when we own Congress and the WH.

        What a darn shame! I guess the congresscritters will have to just stay put for another few terms.

        How far to the right do the Dems have to move before you stop calling them Dems?

        by Diebold Hacker on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 09:15:37 PM PST

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  •  We will never see the likes (12+ / 0-)

    of Everett Dirksen again in the Republican Party.  If I remember correctly, he was the one who went to Nixon and told him to resign during the hearings.  

    It isn't as if we don't have courageous individual members in Congress who comprehend the rule of law, it is because the total overall climate has changed and the majority of the country isn't as shockable by these criminal enterprises anymore since many are being scared shiteless by the lies that are spewed daily on teevee and radio.

    Perhaps if the country were not in a state of utter collapse when Bush left, impeachment would have been easier.  Perhaps if we had Barbara Jordan, it still would have been considered.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:41:49 PM PST

    •  it was (15+ / 0-)

      goldwater, scott, and rhodes. but nixon's protector on the house judiciary committee, republican charles wiggins of california, also was called in to tell nixon he couldn't do it anymore.  

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:45:52 PM PST

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    •  Goldwater & Scott key members.. (9+ / 0-)

      That came in a smaller meeting later in the day of the official Republican Senate leadership&$151;Scott, Tower and Griffin—and two invited Senators representing opposite wings of the party: Goldwater and New York's Liberal Jacob Javits. The group selected Goldwater as the man who ought to seek a meeting with the President to warn him of the tremendous odds against his acquittal. Said Scott: "We agreed that Barry should be our emissary to the President." It was a role long ago foreseen for Goldwater in any ultimate resignation scenario.

      Read more: http://www.time.com/...

      •  Thanks, Phil (4+ / 0-)
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        " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:56:24 PM PST

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      •  Downthread I mention the excellent documentary (5+ / 0-)

        Classically Liberal produced by Goldwater's granddaughter.  It underlines the end of the old conservatism, perhaps the end of ideology with integrity.  According to the film, it was when Nixon lost Goldwater that he was done.  Goldwater had never liked Nixon.

        There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

        by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:38:28 PM PST

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        •  That was a good doc (4+ / 0-)
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          on Goldwater, even if it touched too lightly on Barry's opposition to the '64 Civ Rts Act and some of his rather unfortunate, warmongering statements and proposals during that campaign.  What it did best, imo, was show the decent, non-extremist, family-oriented BG in private, how on some social matters he evolved later in life, and how all along with all concerned he was a straight-shooter in expressing what he felt.

          BG indeed didn't like Tricky.  Truman called Nixon a "shifty-eyed SOB" back in the 50s, and Barry's views of both Nixon and LBJ were similar -- he thought both were backstabbing liars.

          Positive personality and better moral character were a couple of things which might have saved Nixon if he had only 50% more of either.  Someone like Goldwater could get along famously with and respect a Pres Kennedy despite major political differences.  He neither liked nor respected Nixon.

          •  You summarize it very well. (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't think it whitewashed, just skirted a bit.  It's hard to know how much.  One thing it definitely proved to me:  stereotypes continue always to be wrong.

            Iirc, they attributed some of his bellicose statements to clumsiness dealing with the media.  I thought it was telling that he was deeply offended by the famous mushroom cloud campaign ad, which only ran once because he called LBJ and insisted it be taken off the air, to which LBJ agreed.  To me it seems significant that he felt this to be an egregious misrepresentation of what he stood for.  If he had been as callous about nuclear war as I had always believed, I don't think he would have objected so.

            There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

            by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 03:46:20 PM PST

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  •  The system died 25 years ago... (26+ / 0-)

    ...when Democratic congressional leadership decided not to go after Reagan in their investigation of Iran-Contra on the grounds that he was "too popular."

    When you punch enough holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:42:41 PM PST

  •  Does anyone know the phone number and/or (17+ / 0-)

    address of a good hippie commune I can take my wife and daughter to and live off of the land in the twilight of our crumbling empire?
    Just curious, restless, anxious and full of despair today.

    "We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>

    by rogerdaddy on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:42:51 PM PST

  •  Now you understand where and why (10+ / 0-)

    progressives come from. The only thing you'll find in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe.

  •  Substitute (15+ / 0-)

    But the Democrats also bear their share of blame. They did not investigate. They did not create a public record. They did not hold anyone accountable. And by so failing to do their civic responsibility, they allowed some of the architects of the Plame scandal to help buy the Republicans back into a share of national power.

    the words "Plame Scandal" for "2000 Election Theft" ,or "Iran/Contra", or "October Surprise"...

    The Democrats lost their spines and integrity over 30 years ago.

    For shame.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:45:38 PM PST

  •  The problem in a nutshell (13+ / 0-)

    ThinkProgress: Obama On Appointing Special Prosecutor To Investigate Bush’s Crimes: ‘We Need To Look Forward’

    OBAMA: We’re still evaluating how we’re going to approach the whole issue of interrogations, detentions, and so forth. And obviously we’re going to be looking at past practices and I don’t believe that anybody is above the law. On the other hand, I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. … My orientation is going to be moving foward.

    •  How a constitutional lawyer (14+ / 0-)

      could make that statement nauseates me.  I'm with Patrick Fitzgerald who famously said re: the Scooter Libby prosecution:  "Either the law matters--or we have chaos."  It irks me that someone at the level of President of the United States could so casually dismiss the law and all that it stands for in a democracy.  People want justice--to know that egregious wrongs don't get dismissed as if they're unimportant and too much bother to correct.  This failure to investigate the Bush administration sends an absolutely terrible message.  I still can't believe the President did this.  

      You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:41:40 PM PST

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      •  Believe it. (7+ / 0-)

        And believe there has been a sophisticated and highly successful effort to prevent this decision, along with many others, from congealing into a unified understanding by the left that Obama is not representing us.

        Look what happens when trying to gain clarity and consensus on something as simple as tax cuts.  It has been painful to watch how the psychology of victimhood and blame have been skillfully manipulated to create a circle-the-wagons mentality among much of the would-be left where Obama is concerned.  It has been done brilliantly, I'll give them that.

        And btw, you must be terribly screwed up in some way.

        There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

        by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:52:38 PM PST

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        •  I'm taking that last sentence as snark-- (1+ / 0-)
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          some days lately I'm not sure what's what or what I am.

          You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:26:54 PM PST

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          •  Oh. Sorry. You are so right. (2+ / 0-)
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            I'll correct the record this way: if you're screwed up, you're my kind of screwed up.

            There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

            by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:32:59 PM PST

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            •  Well, then I consider myself to be (1+ / 0-)
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              in very good company!  And please forgive me, lately my snark-meter has gone awry.  I find very little to feel good about these days.  We have a dictator for the incoming governor for Wisconsin.  I'm fearful.

              You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

              by 3goldens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:35:26 PM PST

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              •  For those with sight, these are fearful times. (1+ / 0-)
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                My sig line is not meant to be coolly bitter, either.  I probably should stop indulging irony.  So many of us are putting our energy into cleverness, expecting some kind of junior high transcendence of a horrendous reality.  I hate to say this on such an activist site, but I feel paralyzed by my vision of what is coming, and by the difficulty in discussing the least detail of an attempt at a response.  None of this is by accident.

                Sorry, I don't mean to frighten you more.  Never turn to me if you want reassurance about the future.  The only comforting thing I can offer is that for my entire life so far, my visions of catastrophe have proven to be more paranoid than prophetic.

                And then there's this Flaubert quote, which I find strangely comforting:  Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times.  It's been bad before, and people somehow got through.

                Good luck to you.

                There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

                by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:52:00 PM PST

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                •  What you said here: (1+ / 0-)
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                  It's been bad before, and people somehow got through.

                  I brought this up in a discussion just a few days ago regarding what you said here:

                  I feel paralyzed by my vision of what is coming, and by the difficulty in discussing the least detail of an attempt at a response.  None of this is by accident.

                  It's not just what's going on in my own state, it's what I read on the econ blogs, what I read/hear about what is happening at the national level politically from a variety of sources.  I see this paralysis on the left and I worry that the failure to respond--the constant drumbeat of blatant attempts to undermine the President and the rule of law, and it apears to be coordinated because at both the state and federal level since the election there is a clear mission by the Repubs to undermine those from the left who are now in power legally and lawfully.  Anyway, have been thinking about this a lot lately and not finding anything to grab on to in terms of direction and fighting back meaningfully.

                  Don't worry--you can't and haven't fightened me any more than I already have done it to myself.  I'm a world-class "catastrophizer" (if that's a word). :)

                  You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

                  by 3goldens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 05:13:17 PM PST

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                  •  This is what is so maddening. (1+ / 0-)
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                    If nearly anyone on this site were in charge of the resources of the Dem party, there would be some serious change happening. Positive, tectonic change. But no, we have these dupes, cowards and crooks. That's what we've got, and the other side has worse.

                    How far to the right do the Dems have to move before you stop calling them Dems?

                    by Diebold Hacker on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 09:32:03 PM PST

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      •  And Fitzgerald interpreted (3+ / 0-)
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        the law so narrowly that all he could do was hit Libby with one count of perjury.  I'm not a big fan of Fitzgerald, esp. after that lame show about the Plame outing.

        •  Well, I'm not quite sure what to make of Fitz. (0+ / 0-)

          I just know that some day I hope the story comes out regarding what exactly went on with regard to the entire Libby trial.  How Karl Rove, evil personified, managed to escape indictment makes me wonder.  Another point about Fitz. is that he is good friends with James Comey, who was Deputy Atty. Gen. under John Ashcroft.  Reading about Comey in Jane Mayer's The Dark Side and how he and Jack Goldsmith (I think that's the right one) were so paranoid about their phone lines being tapped by the Bushies that they talked in code to teach other. Both Fitz and Comey must have stories to tell--I hope we get them one day.

          You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:33:47 PM PST

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  •  The failure to pursue the Bush administration (12+ / 0-)

    for its deceptions and war crimes will go down in history as the greatest failures of this Congress and this administration.  Indeed, the failure of Obama's administration to investigate Bush and Company for war crimes may cast him and Holder as accessories after the fact.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:54:06 PM PST

  •  Moreover, we don't even have the... (19+ / 0-)

    ...remnants of the movement we had in 1972, riven as it was by splintering and rival dogmas. That's what needs to be rebuilt, pretty much from the ground up. Until we do, we're going to be stuck in this limbo, fighting, at best, rearguard actions to shield the modest progressive gains we already have obtained. Until then, the idea of holding anyone accountable, even for the most egregious crimes, will be a pipedream.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:54:36 PM PST

    •  We need to consider clearly the forces arrayed (7+ / 0-)

      against us.  The Nixon cabal was already busy lining the basement of the WH with a bullshit book "proving" that the media is liberal, thus earning it unearned status on the NYT best-seller list.  These things have not just happened.  The hippie-haters worked hard and skillfully against the day when hippie values became mainstream.  The result is that what should have been the triumph of modern liberalism is Obama instead.  Here are some of the things those hard-working beavers have accomplished since 1972 (consciously copying both communist and nazi methods along the way):

      1. Undermined objective journalism by consciously creating a false meme that the media is liberal, then replacing the old objective standard with "fair and balanced."
      1. Consolidated media so as to create centralized control of the daily message.
      1. Co-opted the centralized churches which cable gave rise to.  I have a hard time convincing people, but there is a crucial difference between Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and those cynical crooks who took over their empire after railroading them out.
      1. Focused on the local and state level, including school boards, to work a long-range strategy.
      1. Gradually worked on capturing the courts.
      1. And during Bush, successfully infiltrated and largely neutered federal agencies.
      1. Created think tanks, institutes, and commissions which have the outward form of intellectual neutral bodies but perform the function of propaganda.
      1. Created nation-wide network of 24/7 talk radio propaganda.

      These people aren't playing fair, and they are not into negotiating or waiting to see how things turn out.

      There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

      by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 03:01:58 PM PST

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    •  Just a lengthy reminder - In 1972 Obama was a (1+ / 0-)
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      kid with an atypcial upbringing of an American teenager. I think most of Obama's racial and ideological awareness were formed during his years at Occidental College, which had really nothing to do with the experiences of people, who were American teenagers during the late fifties and early 1960.

      His Hawaiian highschool years didn't confront him much with the political issues of the civil rights movement or the ideological issues of the cold war era. Even if he became a civil rights lawyer and community oriented politically engaged person, one should not forget that he was NOT formed and conditioned by the political and ideological issues of the fifties and sixties or early seventies.

      His political and social conscience probably didn't start to develop before 1980. That was Ronald Reagan time. It was the time I came to the US. Being born 1961 and being born in 1948 plus or minus a year or two, makes a hell of a difference in what kind of personal political experiences someone brings to the table.

      Obama was, even though his father was basically missing in his childhood, more influenced by his father's way of "charming" his audience during his public appearances in the US by representing a hopeful African scholarship student who wanted to excel and succeed as an African politician in his life.

      Obama had most probably a vision of his father that was not anchored much in a fact-based judgement as a young man. Based on his own desperate search for the things honorable and resepctable in his father, probably fueled by the disappointment of him missing,  he came up with that vision.

      The way Obama worked himself through to understand his father and the way he sold his father's lifestory later on in his political career, shows imo clearly that he was not formed by the US civil rights struggles and cold war hysteria of the McCarthy times like other Afro-American students.

      His father's life-story, even if just faintly, of a young African man, who wanted to evolve out of the experiences of the Colonial opression in Kenya, occupied his mind much more than most may think.

      His more American-based identity as engaged civil rights lawyer has been "learned" and was "processed with his intellect", but not through the sufferings of his own family's and friends that surrounded him.

      I assume he was formed much more through Michelle Obama and local Chicago politics and NY academia than anything else.

      I just say that to remind all those that expected him to be a fighter for justice and civil rights etc that he lacks the human experience of suffering the older generation had and excels in experience of what is realistically possible in "changing" the world than todays younger hothead liberals think they have.

      That makes him sitting between generations and expectations from both the older and younger generation within the US and even sitting between expectations Africans and Europeans have of him.

      I mean I don't envy him for his situation.

      At the same token I think the fact that you can't have the same movement you used to have in 1970 is just the realization that you deal with another generation of Americans, who don't have the personal life experiences and have to "learn" all of that from scratch again. And history doesn't repeat itself when it comes to the nitty gritty details, it just "stays the same".

      Sorry to be so lengthy. I am just so sad about the sadness, disappointment and frustration if not anger that surrounds so many here with Obama's politics.

      From Wikipedia:

      In 1971, Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham, and attended Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation from high school in 1979.[21] Obama's mother returned to Hawaii in 1972, remaining there until 1977 when she went back to Indonesia to work as an anthropological field worker. She finally returned to Hawaii in 1994 and lived there for one year, before dying of ovarian cancer.[22]

      Barack Obama and half-sister Maya Soetoro, with their mother Ann Dunham and grandfather Stanley Dunham, in Hawaii (early 1970s)Of his early childhood, Obama recalled, "That my father looked nothing like the people around me—that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk—barely registered in my mind."[23] He described his struggles as a young adult to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage.[24] Reflecting later on his formative years in Honolulu, Obama wrote: "The opportunity that Hawaii offered—to experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respect—became an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear."[25] Obama has also written and talked about using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind."[26] At the 2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency, Obama identified his high-school drug use as a great moral failure.[27]

      Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College.[28] In February 1981, he made his first public speech, calling for Occidental's divestment from South Africa.[28] In mid-1981, Obama traveled to Indonesia to visit his mother and sister Maya, and visited the families of college friends in India and Pakistan for three weeks.[28]

  •  I know most people don't (10+ / 0-)
    watch CNN here, but on friday's edition of parker/spitzer they had on the director and he said something very interesting. Apparently,  Karl Rove contradicted himself in his memior from his grand jury testimony. If only the DOJ would investigate these guys again.

    Only WE can change it.

    by blueoregon on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:54:40 PM PST

  •  So fucking depressing. (9+ / 0-)

    "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." -- Gandhi

    by akasha on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 01:55:19 PM PST

  •  Authority has no authority any more. (5+ / 0-)
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    Our leaders have stopped caring about us to the point that they can't even understand why we're angry.

  •  "Read the book." (3+ / 0-)
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    And of course none of the media foofs interviewing Bush will go beyond that sordid level about personal loyalty and dare ask what Bush thought about an important national security asset's career being destroyed as retribution for her courageous husband's daring to tell the truth about Bush's lies.

    Sadly, it wouldn't matter, because all he would say would be, "Read the book."  And the idiot interviewing him would politely move on to the next question.

    Which brings up this point: how many of you actually think that Lauer actually bothered reading the book cover to cover in order to counter Bush?

  •  We don't have the PEOPLE we once had. (2+ / 0-)
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    Despite all the crap thrown their way by youngsters now about "oldsters" those coming out of the fires of the Great Depression and a world war knew in their bones something about enduring, integrity and the terrible consequences of just shuffling and shaming as individuals and public officials. Sure we had Joe McCarthy and some other terrible characters. We also had Morrow and Cronkite and Sam Ervin:

    I used to think that the Civil War was our country's greatest tragedy, but I do remember that there were some redeeming features in the Civil War in that there was some spirit of sacrifice and heroism displayed on both sides. I see no redeeming features in Watergate.

    I knew solid Republicans, sort of rightist characters about many things, that once the evidence smelled enough to erase doubt said "they have to go" in no uncertain terms.

    To some extent I see now a nation that lived so well, so securely in its dreams (there was always danger out there and in here) that we have become a nation somewhat accurately described in "Is the American Dream Over?":

    The country is reacting strangely irrationally to the loss of its importance -- it is a reaction characterized primarily by rage. Significant portions of America simply want to return to a supposedly idyllic past. They devote almost no effort to reflection, and they condemn cleverness and intellect as elitist and un-American, as if people who hunt bears could seriously be expected to lead a world power. Demagogues stir up hatred and rage on television stations like Fox News. These parts of America, majorities in many states, ignorant of globalization and the international labor market, can do nothing but shout. They hate everything that is new and foreign to them.

    But will the US wake up? Or is it already much too late?

    I have some problems with details of that article. Unfortunately it captures what I have observed all too often. People so obese they are killing themselves and walk spradle legged that disdain slim people as "elitist." People that in some strange aggrieved world have to identify with "We are number one!" in every area though evidence we are failing in some is right in front of them. They have invested their personality in the entitlement of "being American" to the extent they cannot match some real patriots, missing body parts from the "big one" that could see needed improvements and worked to make them happen.

    I advise anyone in doubt to read the letters to Time, Newsweek and Life from those overseas during World War II--if those have not already been purged from your libraries for on-line, sanitized article extracts! Many of those serving, drafted not just recruited, were determined to come back and solve some problems.

    Our politicians today are a reflection of what we are. We all have to try to turn that mess around at the personal level even though the hard core of those with such attitudes are unreachable.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:05:43 PM PST

  •  Aung San Su Ky (sp) said to her supporters when (0+ / 0-)

    she was released today by the Burmese junta generals that unity can only come when all the people work together.

    In America I think the time has finally come when the only thing that will save us is an alien invasion, the day we discover we are not alone in the universe.

    That might serve to give us motivation to work together as a human race to save ourselves and our planet before it is drunk dry by the Teapartiers.

    That's it for me today. Im off to watch Dr. Who for the rest of the day.

    •  A superordinate goal (alien invasion) would (0+ / 0-)

      surely help unify.

      From Wiki

      Superordinate goals, in psychology, are goals that are achieved by the contribution and co-operation of two or more people, with individual goals that are normally in opposition to each other, working together.

      For many, electing Barack Obama President based on his statements during the campaign, was a superodinate goal.

      Will we do it again? Stand by...

  •  JFK, MLK,RFK (9+ / 0-)

    This didn't start with Nixon and All the President's Men.
    That in itself was another coup by the power elites.

    When Kennedy was assasinated  the Media covered it all up, swept it away, named the patsy and enabled the Vietnam war. It's not about who shot JFK. It's about WHY he was murdered and removed from power.

    The power elites are still in charge. The Bush family has been involved in war profiteering,policy manipulation and global oil politics.

    There is no truth to be allowed to be told. The government is owned and controlled by the power elites.
    I fear Obama is being set up like Jimmy Carter. We'll see what foreign policy disasters ruin him in the next 24 mos.

    All I want is the truth. Just gimmie some truth John Lennon

    by gimmie truth on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:06:56 PM PST

    •  And 9/11 as well (2+ / 0-)
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      They had a bogus "commission" that found nothing out. I'm not talking planes and exploding bolts at the WTC. I'm not talking conspiracy theory. What I am talking about is who was behind it and who financed it. As with any crime, you follow the money.
      The meme that they were all "fundamentalist Islamic terrorists" is a false one. Mohammed Atta was NOT a devout Muslim. Devout Muslims do not drink alcohol, gamble, do cocaine and bed every lovely thing he gets near.
      Those who committed the acts were international guns for hire. They were recruited from Europe by a former CIA agent and learned to fly at his flight school in Florida. Daniel Hopsicker of MadCow Morning News has said that Atta, and others, learned to fly by shuttling opium from Afghanistan to South America (Opium that was brought in by the bin laden family). The money came back and was then laundered (I'm thinking on the SunCruz casino ships, since that money is never accounted for. And guess who was deep in at SunCruz? Jack Abramoff. And who frequented the SunCruz casinos? Mohammed Atta.
      Yes, I realize Osama bin laden was behind it, but who else? Most of the hijackers were Saudi. Jack Abramoff was hired to protect the Saudis from investigations into what role they played.
      Whether JFK, MLK, RFK or 9/11, the "official" story is pretty much "official bullcrap.
      There are still far too many unanswered questions, ones that will probably never be answered. We'll never know the truth because deep down, people don't really want to know the truth.

      •  9/11 has many mysteries (1+ / 0-)
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        Those of us who want to know the truth are marginalized. All we have to do is use language that in any tiny way sounds like "conspiracy theory" and we are immediately called nuts. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of professionals and others have signed onto the search and they're we're all being dismissed.

        1. It was a conspiracy, we just don't know who were the conspirators other than the few who are "on the list."
        1. The number of unanswered questions is staggering.
        1. Of those, a significant number are horrifying.

        If a thousand awful things hadn't surfaced in the last few years to distract my passion, I would be using it to seek the truth about 9/11, ferociously.

        These are a few of my favorite things. http://tinyurl.com/2a3cxpp

        by JG in MD on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 04:41:35 PM PST

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  •  Maddow/Stewart Interview (8+ / 0-)

    I just got done watching Maddow interview Jon Stewart before reading this post. Listening to Stewart discussing ideological bias on the left compared to the right was just so painful. I get what he's saying about we all have an ideological lens through which we view the world that shapes what we believe to be true, but using his logic no one can really ever be tried or convicted of anything because facts are ethereal things open to philosophical interpretations based on our life experiences or political views.

    That seems to be the problem nowadays and I think the point of this post. Guilt or innocence is now a matter of opinion. Did the Bush Admin commit a crime by outing Plame? Well, that depends on if you're a liberal or a conservative, according to Jon. Observable facts are merely figments of our political imaginations, shaped by our ideology.

    A very slippery slope we're on here.

  •  "The system no longer works" (11+ / 0-)

    ..is a profound understatement.

    And one that I suspect that the vast majority of the American populace agree upon. Down deep in their guts.

    Really? We're supposed to accept "trickle-down" from a Boehner? Without laughing?

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:11:55 PM PST

    •  I seriuoslt doubt (1+ / 0-)
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      that the vast majority of the American Populace has even really thought about it.

    •  Bacevich delivers the same message. (2+ / 0-)
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      with depressing citation of chapter and verse in The Limits of Power.  This is from an interview with Bill Moyers:

      I am expressing in the book, in a sense, what many of us sense, even if many of us don't really want to confront the implications. The Congress, especially with regard to matters related to national security policy, has thrust power and authority to the executive branch. We have created an imperial presidency. The congress no longer is able to articulate a vision of what is the common good. The Congress exists primarily to ensure the reelection of members of Congress.

      As the imperial presidency has accrued power, surrounding the imperial presidency has come to be this group of institutions called the National Security State. The CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the other intelligence agencies. Now, these have grown since the end of World War Two into this mammoth enterprise.

      But the National Security State doesn't work. The National Security State was not able to identify the 9/11 conspiracy. Was not able to deflect the attackers on 9/11. The National Security State was not able to plan intelligently for the Iraq War. Even if you think that the Iraq War was necessary. They were not able to put together an intelligent workable plan for that war.

      The National Security State has not been able to provide the resources necessary to fight this so called global war on terror. So, as the Congress has moved to the margins, as the President has moved to the center of our politics, the presidency itself has come to be, I think, less effective. The system is broken.

      There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

      by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 03:10:16 PM PST

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  •  Barry Goldwater played a pivotal role. (3+ / 0-)
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    I highly recommend the documentary film Classically Liberal: Goldwater on Goldwater, produced by Goldwater's granddaughter.  As in most things, the details make for a very different picture of the man I grew up thinking Goldwater was.  Republicans were different then.  He hated the incipient encroachment of religion into politics, for one example of many.

    Anyway, according to the film, he had never liked Nixon, saw him for what he was.  When he decided Nixon should go, it was clear that Nixon would not survive.  I think he was the one to go to the WH to deliver the bad (good) news.

    Excellent diary.  Very sad.  One thing not mentioned is that Watergate does not have a completely happy ending, since not dealing with the crimes aggressively, with prosecutions and full house cleaning, planted the seeds for Cheney, Rumsfeld et al.

    There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

    by geomoo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:15:27 PM PST

  •  Re: Watergate (7+ / 0-)

    "All the President's Men" my have had a "happy ending", but the reality is that what we call Watergate was a traffic ticket compared to the ignored US govt crimes of the 60's. What was Watergate, after all? A failed burglary committed by one of the most powerful political agencies of the time against another ultra-powerful political entity, for reasons that remain obscure to this day. Watergate became an issue because it targeted the powerful; THOSE crimes are the ones that merit investigation.
    The real crimes were what was done domestically during COINTELPRO, the systematic murders of countless Vietnamese civilians, and the illegal and immoral bombing of Laos and Cambodia. Sure, the Watergate hearings touched briefly on the Cambodian bombings, but only regarding the "secrecy" issue, ignoring the massacres that directly resulted. In fact, the FBI had been repeatedly burglarizing and vandalizing offices belonging to anti-war, religious left, and Socialist party groups throughout the decade, a much more serious crime than Watergate: the national political police were systematically committing crimes against people and organizations that were virtually powerless. Not much has really changed.

    "The intellectual tradition is one of servility to power, and if I didn't betray it I'd be ashamed of myself." ---Noam Chomsky

    by Succulent Filth on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:15:31 PM PST

  •  Cinema's problem: Michael Moore is not (2+ / 0-)
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    Costa-Gravas.

    Accountability in the current situation now goes to the highest/lowest bidder.

    and finally,

    We don't have the media we had. We don't have the Supreme Court we had. We don't have the Republicans we had. We don't have the Democrats we had. The system no longer works.

    ...we now have Bloggers and Indymedia, isn't that enough?

    "calling for a 5" deck gun is not parody. Not by a long shot." (gnaborretni),Warning-Some Snark Above

    by annieli on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:23:11 PM PST

  •  The situation is highlighted by the decline of (0+ / 0-)

    the Washington Post. It's now running a close second to Newscorp for it's depravity.

  •  We're too impressed with history as it was (1+ / 0-)
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    We want the history books to continue.  There has to be something on the next page, some next FDR where America enters another chapter.  

    Think of it this way and be heartened:  the old ways are hollowed out, but we have the new ways.

    Of organizing, if not monetary power.
    Of getting out the vote, if not sheer influence.
    Of creating new influence in new ways through new media, if not unfettered access to the old media.
    Of helping new heroes get on their feet, if not the support of the old guard.
    Of finding new voters who do not have the same access, if...PERHAPS...finding voters who do.

    Look, we've already read through the history books.  We know what's already happened and continues to happen is mindless momentum.  And if pressed to organize and fight like in the Reid campaign this fall, we actually win.  

    This is doable.  The Republicans are nonexistent red herrings as long as we focus on our own efforts.  Let's ride.

  •  Don't get all dreamy-eyed about the past (0+ / 0-)
    If the GOP had taken Congress in 1972, Nixon would have served out his term. There would have been no Senate Watergate Committee and no Sam Irvin and no Peter Rodino and no Dean testimony and no subpoenas and no tapes and no U.S. v. Nixon. We got lucky, was all.
    •  Not really so (3+ / 0-)
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      Howard Baker and Barry Goldwater played major roles in pushing the process forward and in fact telling Nixon when it was time to go.

      American business is about maximizing shareholder value. You basically don't want workers. ~Allen Sinai

      by ActivistGuy on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:45:51 PM PST

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      •  You're correct--in the end they did (3+ / 0-)
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        and so did Pat Buchanan.  But that was after the Ervin Committee hearings had unearthed the tapes and brought the issue of Nixon's criminal wrongdoing to a head before the Supreme Court (when Nixon resisted the Ervin Committee's subpoena).

        With a GOP majority, on the other hand, there would have been no Ervin Committee at all--and no tapes, no Supreme Court order to turn the tapes over to the Committee, and no reason for Goldwater to get involved. Nixon would have served out his term.

        The ferocity with which the GOP resisted the plain evidence of the President's criminality was astounding. Its true a few Republicans in the end saw that it was politically unsafe to continue to support Nixon. But to this day most of them still think Richard Nixon got a raw deal from Congress and the media.

        •  archer makes a few good (1+ / 0-)
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          points.  One, about the GOP majority not going forward had they been in charge.  There were back then far more decent, moderate to mildly liberal GOPers than today, but they still didn't constitute a majority of their party in congress, which was conservative.  

          Re the tapes and the Ervin Comm'ee, the comm'ee caught a huge break when Alexander Butterfield let slip the existence of the WH taping system.  Up to then, according to Chief Counsel Sam Dash in a book he wrote later, the Dems on the comm'ee privately felt that after a few months of investigation and public hearings that they'd nearly reached a stall-out point in terms of lack of smoking gun evidence against Nixon and somewhat flagging public interest as testimony dragged on.  

          So, even after maybe 6 months or so of hard digging about Watergate inside the senate -- started quietly in the fall of '72 by Sen Ted Kennedy and his reliable handpicked investigator -- in addition to the Woodstein WaPo stories -- even with all that, Nixon nearly escaped with his presidency.

          •  That's quite true (0+ / 0-)

            The moment Butterfield said "You know, I wish you hadn't asked me that," the game was up. Pat Buchanan's instincts were right on the money: If Nixon had had a bonfire on the White House lawn fifteen minutes later and burned all the tapes, he would have served out his term.

            What people don't remember is how Republicans in general, not just the White House, characterized the whole business as a partisan liberal media war against patriotism and conservatism and mom and apple pie and Jesus. The memory still annoys me. The only Republicans who came off well were people like Goldwater, who weren't that pious to begin with.

  •  States' Rights My Ass (2+ / 0-)

    I love how these right-wing clowns carry on about states' rights when their hero, Bush, was anointed despite a 7-0 vote in the Florida Supreme Court to count the ballots.

    Only when it suits these lying shits....

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:37:33 PM PST

  •  No sh*t!!! (6+ / 0-)

    You nailed it. We no longer have the media we once had. The Valarie Plame incident was spun by the Bush White House and the national ("liberal") media never did their job. I didn't expect Fox to do so, but the rest of them should have...
    A covert CIA operative was outed and lost over 20 years of work trying to search for WMD (the irony is rich, no?). In outing Plame, they put people's lives in danger (grave danger - "Is there any other kind?"). PEOPLE DIED - people who worked for us and Plame, in the course of her work overseas, were simply left to hang.
    Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby should have been tried for treason and sent to the pokey - for a long time.
    That's now how it works anymore. Sadly, it takes filmmakers (this one and people like Michael Moore), as well as late night comedians (Stewart and Colbert) to bring us the truth. And the MSM wonders why no one reads newspapers or watches the TV news anymore. Duh!

    •  Assume that TV, radio, and print no longer exist. (2+ / 0-)
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      How would you get your message out to people?

      •  Well the Internet, obviosly. (1+ / 0-)
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        But there are still far too many people who don't rely on it for news. They still think that TV and newspapers are actually still legitimate news sources, and that what they hear is truth. It's why so many Fox viewers are ill-informed.

      •  Whose message? (0+ / 0-)

        If Obama wanted to get any message out, nobody could stop him. Do it. Broadcast some self-evident yet never voiced truth. Would all of the MSM simply ignore it?

        Ah, fantasyland, where the Dem President of the United States wants to create a vastly different, better world.

        How's that earmarks fight going, anyway?

        How far to the right do the Dems have to move before you stop calling them Dems?

        by Diebold Hacker on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 09:52:01 PM PST

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  •  The difference between then and now (1+ / 0-)
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    General System Failure.

    American business is about maximizing shareholder value. You basically don't want workers. ~Allen Sinai

    by ActivistGuy on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:44:36 PM PST

  •  Plamegate (3+ / 0-)
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    I am afraid the country is toast.  

    As soon as Nancy said the impeachment was off the table she gave the green light for these scum to continue their crimes.

  •  Another thing we don't have: We don't have the (3+ / 0-)
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    same "us" we had. We've become the people our grandparents were right to fear might be taking over. No sense of duty, no sense of responsibility, no sense of community, or civility, or that old tired notion, citizenship.

    Of course, I am not speaking about the kos community, which so many of us part-timers are really not a part of...

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 02:45:05 PM PST

  •  We also don't have Harold P. Ford, the intel (1+ / 0-)
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    analyst who wrote about the CIA politicizing its reports to policy-makers during the Vietnam War. According to Ford, Bob Gates was guilty of the same thing, but knowing where the bodies are buried seems to have immunized Gates for that and his Iran-contra sins.

    Tenet wasn't the first head of the CIA to politicize intel and unfortunately he won't be the last.

    R.I.P., H.P. Ford. You will be missed.  

  •  Extremely well said... absolutely. (3+ / 0-)
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    How incredibly sad that we have gotten to this point.  And I'm sure it will get worse.  Taking flowers to a gun fight is a bad bargaining position, but it's all our administration seems to be doing these days...  

    Melissa

    Dissent is Patriotic

    by mwjeepster on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 03:15:03 PM PST

  •  time past time future (0+ / 0-)

    Enough with the short sighted selfish myopic visionaries, I  can’t believe all this BS about the Dems need to shift right to be center. This country has slid right every time conserves have been in the majority and a lot of the time when not. Repubs have seldom compromised thus over time the new center has continually  shifted right. Its time to expose the BS lies of the right .The Middle Class along with the rest of the poor will soon all wear the oppressive debt tax chains like those worn by the other third world economic sweat shop slaves. Beware world corporate and bank globalization.  More paranoia is needed now. THINK FACT: when you spend $1.00 if on credit -?%- local tax-state, fed tax @ min wage it is starvation in slow motion if you earn 50k + you net 30/35k ok not easy street, you earn 100k you should have a life. 2010 census median income 58k when 10% control 90% they throw the scraps for the others to fight over 10% for the other 90% WE need a reajustment in the debt tax equation now. Quit fighting join forces and fight obscene disparities now that is truly American. Enough of this rugged individualism crap the boat is leaking its sink and swim or fix it together. The few life vests available are worn by (you know whom)ain’t me.                                                            

  •  but we still have these (1+ / 0-)
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    ...
    But both Bushes have a darker side that occasionally breaks through the public facade. In private, President Bush would rant about political enemies in a tone reminiscent of President Richard Nixon. George W. Bush sometimes flashes a personal mean streak, too.

    In early April 1986, for instance, George W. was miffed at a prediction by the Wall Street Journal's Al Hunt that Jack Kemp -- not Vice President Bush -- would win the GOP nomination in 1988. At a Dallas restaurant, Bush spotted Hunt having dinner with his wife, Judy Woodruff, and their four-year-old son.

    Bush stormed up to the table and started cursing out Hunt. "You [expletive] son of a bitch," Bush yelled. "I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this."

    Bush supporters have excused the governor's behavior that occurred before his 40th birthday on the grounds that Bush was still drinking heavily in those days. [WP, July 25, 1999]

    ...
    http://www.consortiumnews.com/...

  •  Bravo! (3+ / 0-)

    Great essay.

    Demand Filibuster Reform call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 -AND KEEP CALLING

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 03:44:37 PM PST

  •  Access to information has been a failure. (0+ / 0-)

    I recall thinking at the Dawn of the Internets that lies would no longer be able to hide, that truth would shine from the darkest corner, and because everyone would have ready access to the truth all the corrupt shit that is going on would be smacked down, crushed into a dusty oblivion. Not so. It has not happened. Julian Assange (sp) is an excellent example. Here we have a man who cares enough about the truth that he willingly risks his life exposing the most ruthless war-machine in the world. He barely gets coverage, and the coverage he get is more concerned with an alleged sexual encounter he is supposed to have had. No, the Age of Information is a complete fucking failure. What's next?

    •  Well... its successes have been more mixed than (0+ / 0-)

      Well, its successes have been more mixed than I would like, but I think the thing we (and I do mean "we", everyone here, everyone in general) haven't always remembered is that if you're about to acquire the power to use a shitload of information to change the world, you have to realize there's a chance that someone else will acquire a similar power, or at least make plans to thwart your agenda.

      I mean, to use your words, we probably should've foreseen that "the most ruthless war-machine in the world" might have some reaction to the new rules of the road. Political thermodynamics, if you will.

      Politico: Because Republicans need something to jerk off to.

      by Christopher on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 05:25:49 PM PST

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  •  You're forgetting: we don't have the bureaucratic (0+ / 0-)

    You're forgetting: we don't have the bureaucratic struggles and players today that we did then. (Or maybe we do, but they're not moving in the same ways, etc.)

    Remember, we spent thirty-plus years thinking, "Oh, Watergate showed the system working! This is how things are supposed to go when something like this happens!"

    But behind that was the fact that "Deep Throat" was Mark Felt, a senior FBI official, pushing back against Nixon and his administration's abuses. Without that, you don't have all the same stars lining up. (And even then, Ford pardoned Nixon, which set the stage for Reagan/Iran-Contra, and for Bush/Cheney to have Libby obstruct justice in the Plame/Wilson affair and get away with it.)

    Our mistake has been to think that Watergate was a representative example of the political-criminal experience at the highest levels of government.

    Given our experience in the Bush/Cheney years, and the subsequent Obama indifference to "looking back," I'd say we're pretty far down another track.

    Politico: Because Republicans need something to jerk off to.

    by Christopher on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 05:20:57 PM PST

  •  Do We Have the "We" that We Had? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know, but rather than lament, here's something I did at the time to poke some air out of the Bush balloon.  And since it all goes in synch with a rousing Liza soundtrack, there's an exultance that's lacking from the movie.  So I hope you enjoy:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

  •  Tom Ricks said the Iraq war was a failure (0+ / 0-)

    on the part of the President - but that the Congress also failed, the senior military, and the press all failed as well - capitulating and allowing a corrupt and inept decision to move forward

    this excellent diary captures another symptom of the same disease.

    "There has been an abdication of responsibility within the profession, most particularly in the networks. . . ." D Halberstam

    by al75 on Sat Nov 13, 2010 at 11:06:24 PM PST

  •  rec button (0+ / 0-)

    There is no recommend button on this diary. If there was I'm sure it would have hit the rec list. It is not expired, it's just not there.

    The brilliant, liberal voice of Sam Seder is back! Free mp3 play, Free live stream, Free i-Tunes. M-F show. (Free for now.)

    by OLinda on Sun Nov 14, 2010 at 12:42:24 AM PST

  •  there's always been money in media and politics (0+ / 0-)

    but the difference the last 20 years since the bush crime family was allowed to steal the white house for reagan and get away with it was the creation of the talk radio monopoly, the only medium/tool that can actually create the alternate reality that the procorporate talk radio constituency and the politicians and media they enable depend on to be ale to get on TV or the floor of congress and say with total limbaugh-like certitude that 2+2 =3

    Even now, the media protect the man they enabled to steal an election, get away with incompetently allowing a preventable national disaster, launch an illegal, immoral, and unjust war, spy on innocent American citizens, and commit the war crime of authorizing torture.

    all of this was possible mainly because it could be sold or enforced by 1000 coordinated and UNCHALLENGED radio stations blasting, selling and intimidating 24/7.

    it made the excuses and distracted us from the bush criminality, it convinced millions of dittohead/teabaggers that ACORN was stealing the elections, it sold the lies and fear that launched us into iraq, it sold the patriot act and threatened those who spoke out against the GOP corruption, and it made torture acceptable- get your Club Gitmo t shirts at the limbaugh website.

    the radio gives them a big advantage and it has to start getting the attention it deserves from the left- or forget democracy.

    Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

    by certainot on Sun Nov 14, 2010 at 09:25:22 AM PST

  •  righteous (0+ / 0-)

    and it's not over.  :-)

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Sun Nov 14, 2010 at 05:55:30 PM PST

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