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Glenn Hubbard, that tax policy veteran of the Bush I & II administrations, writes that the Erskine Bowles/Alan Simpson proposals leaked last week deserve two cheers. Stopping the use of "tax code as a vehicle for special-purpose spending that weakens both the efficiency and fairness of our tax system," is one of their good proposals, he says, while simultaneously arguing that fairness requires deep-sixing their proposal to treat dividends and capital gains as regular income.

Eugene Robinson praises the Bowles/Simpson proposal to reduce defense spending. And cuts to the chase:

The debt panel chairmen's proposed defense cuts, meant to be "illustrative," include civilian and noncombat pay freezes, a 15 percent cut in procurement, shrinking or eliminating some foreign bases, and $28 billion in "overhead" savings that Defense Secretary Robert Gates has already pledged. But Bowles and Simpson don't state the obvious, which is that a much more effective way to cut defense costs would be to bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

According to a September report by the Congressional Research Service, the two wars have already cost $1.1 trillion. That figure doesn't include an estimated $170 billion for the current fiscal year - and there's no real end in sight.

Patrick Cockburn:

But Mr Karzai is able to play it both ways. He knows that the US has found no credible alternative to him and was forced to swallow his fraudulent re-election last year. He can therefore afford to make criticism, which he knows will go down well with the majority of Afghans, without the US being able to do much about it.

John Nichols warns that Barack Obama will be in trouble in 2012 if Democrats don't do a hell of lot better job of inspiring young voters than they did in 2010.

William Greider:

Republicans, who are masters of deceptive marketing, seized on Obama's most appealing qualities and turned them upside down. Their propaganda cast him not as soft but as a power-mad (black) leftist, destroying democracy with socialist schemes. The portrait was so ludicrous and mendacious, the president's party hardly bothered to respond. Egged on by the Republican Party and Fox News, right-wing frothers conjured sicko fantasies and extreme accusations: the president is not only a black man (bad enough for the party of the white South); he is not even American. The vindictive GOP strategy is racial McCarthyism, demonizing this honorable man as an alien threat, just as cold war Republicans depicted left-liberal Democrats as commie sympathizers.

Craig Fehrman points out that Sarah Palin loves to quote Ronald Reagan. But whether it's nuclear arms control or economic policy, she has a superficial understanding of what Reagan was all about, and merely drops his name into every speech as a means  "to simplify issues and to skip serious thinking."

DeWayne Wickham:

"Black males continue to perform lower than their peers throughout the country on almost every indicator," the Washington-based Council of the Great Schools, which represents the nation's 66 largest urban public school systems, said in a recent report.

While much of the news coverage of the council's gut-wrenching report has focused on the failure of nearly all fourth- and eighth-grade black males to read and do math at proficiency levels, less attention has been paid to its conclusion that educational improvements alone won't fix this problem. What's needed, the council said, is a "concerted national effort to improve the education, social and employment outcomes of African-American males."

If you think that's just a warmed-over pitch for more funding of a liberal agenda, you're being shortsighted. In 13 years, minorities will be a majority of this nation's children younger than 18. In just 29 years, most working-age Americans will be black, Hispanic, Asian or Native American. This nation will be hard-pressed to remain the world's leading economy if a sizeable — and growing — share of its potential workforce is slipping through the gaping holes in our education system.

Esther Cepeda says one group is MIA in the media and elsewhere on immigration:

"It is really frustrating to be mostly left out of the conversation," said Karen Narasaki, president and executive director of the Asian American Justice Center, which advocates for the rights and interests of the Asian-American and Pacific Islander communities. "Mostly it's because the Asian-American vote is missing — the media do not sample the Asian vote to tell what we're really voting on."

Yikes and a half. Chuck Norris - yep, besides selling Total Gym, he writes a column - is hyping the flat tax:


First, because the Internal Revenue Service is an unconstitutional system that is totally overreaching and overpowering for our republic, as well as a bureaucratic nightmare for anyone caught in its auditing web. It has no checks or balances; it can't be held accountable by we the people.

Edward Ashworth is not too impressed with Bobby Jindal's "real leadership" strategy.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:11 AM PST.

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  •  Only inspiring candidates can inspire young voter (5+ / 0-)

    I sure hope we have one.

    Demand Filibuster Reform call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 -AND KEEP CALLING

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:16:50 AM PST

  •  Excellent news... :-) ... (7+ / 0-)

    On Thursday, December 16, 2010, President Obama will host the White House Tribal Nations Conference. As part of President Obama’s ongoing outreach to the American people, this conference will provide leaders from the 565 federally recognized tribes the opportunity to interact directly with the President and representatives from the highest levels of his Administration.  Each federally recognized tribe will be invited to send one representative to the conference.   This will be the second White House Tribal Nations Conference for the Obama Administration, and continues to build upon the President’s commitment to strengthen the nation to nation relationship with Indian Country.

    I propose a toast, knowing that our ties subsist because they are not of iron or steel or even of gold, but of the silken cords of the human spirit. 11/9/10

    by BarackStarObama on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:17:53 AM PST

  •  The Beltway buffoons must have all (4+ / 0-)

    gotten the memo to use the word "progressive" in describing the Cat Food Commission's draft.Yesterday it was employed by Orszag and now today by Hibbert.Interesting which terminology they have chosen(err,been instructed) to co-opt.

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:26:31 AM PST

  •  Mr. Robinson (9+ / 0-)

    is of course correct. But, geez. What would happen to all of those jobs we would lose from building stuff to kill people?

    How in the hell can a commission be taken seriously if they can't at least pick the low hanging fruit? Instead, we get the same old Republican horse shit about fixing SS. As I recall, the old saying wasn't if it ain't broke, screw with it 'til it is.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:26:38 AM PST

    •  but if we close our bases (1+ / 0-)
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      Germany and Japan will be encouraged to re-arm and militarize. No indication that these same folks remember that GWB proposed that Japan remilitarize to give us more muscle in conducting wars

      •  That was GWB's backdoor-route to (1+ / 0-)
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        pissing off China and guaranteeing a war in the Pacific Rim, which would necessitate our getting involved, effecting the need for more production from the military-industrial complex and more contracting opportunities for KBR, Halliburton, The Firm Formerly Known as Blackwater, etc.

        GWB was full of bad ideas, but this was among his worst.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 07:05:45 AM PST

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    •  "Special" middle class (0+ / 0-)

      The Commission concluded that special interest groups would have to be prepared to suffer. You care to guess who is special? Paraphrasing, the middle class must reevaluate social security and medicare benefits. Unions and academics must cooperate by making concessions. Other than the talk of closing a third of our not mentioned 700 plus military bases, and that healthcare costs have outstripped inflation, no mention of WallStreet, the banksters and credit card mafiosos being a problem. Remember the kids? That mantra has been replaced with competing in a global economy.

      Over 300 million Americans middle class and below and we the people are categorized as Earmarks. Nelson Mandella found out that although winning an election, if the majority does not control the banks/finances they have no power. Obama and the Democrats gave us indefensible policies, half baked solutions. Afghanistan 2014? Healthcare 2014? Not since the real Patriots of New England were accused of stealing signs have we served up the opposing team our heads on a 2010 platter. Reality?
      Jobs are not coming back, and China ain't playing G20 ball.
      Housing failures will extend long past 2012.
      Unemployment numbers will persist.
      Long term outlooks are forecast a year out, and beyond that we are all engaged in the game of kick the political can, Name that Problem, Ignore the Solution. Those young voters? Young enough to hoist the Obama petard up the big FU flagpole.
      Problem addressed, problem solved.

      It is hard to argue with failure.

  •  ABC NEWS (14+ / 0-)

    ABC News floated an idea this morning. Without identifying a source (passive voice), they cite an idea to cut the total cost of extending the Bush tax cuts on the top 2% by RAISING THE INCOME LEVEL REQUIRED TO HAVE A TAX CUT!  In other words, the middle class tax cut should be reduced to pay for the top tax cut!  More bi-partisanship!

    The same broadcast reports efforts to have the bankrupt State of Illinois to pay $300,000,000 to renovate the privately owned Wrigley Field. The bonds would be paid off by diverting the existing amusement tax on some bizarre trickle down theory. So, we can't afford free bus rides for seniors, but we can afford to divert tax money to further enrich millionaires.

    I'm disgusted with this entire country and its sheeple.

    I regret not voting for Hillary.

    by Anthony Segredo on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:46:03 AM PST

    •  Two days ago it was reported (2+ / 0-)
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      that Harrisburg, PA has hired a firm of bankruptcy attorneys to represent the city in bankruptcy proceedings.  The municipal bond market is forecasting more municipal bankruptcies in 2011 and a sizeable depreciation of muni bond yields.

      Hang on....

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 07:12:32 AM PST

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  •  Intermarriage will take care of the (1+ / 0-)
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    so called minority-majority issue as the years go by. The big growth is in the Hispanic and Asian population,not the black anyway. Already one-half of Asians marry non-Hispanic whites and the rate of intermarriage between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites is growing constantly. In 50 years,the majority of the descendants of today's Hispanic and Asians will have been absorbed into the great non-Hispanic white majority. Sure,many of these people will be slighly darker than today's "white " people but so what?

    Of course that is not to say that all efforts should not be made to help black males improve their academic skills.

    •  Remember Black is Beautiful. (1+ / 0-)
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      I have been reading about the power of language.  What if black people started talking to each other in very formal English rather than the gangster talk.  What if all black women were addressed as Miss and Mrs and all black men as Mr?  What if there was a leader who could inspire that language?  Gangster talk hasn't done anything except to dig the hole deeper.  Making 'acting black' taking the lowest rung.  What if 'acting black' was something else?

      It's just a theory.  Language alters perception and perception alters reality.

      Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:19:21 AM PST

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      •  Homogenius (0+ / 0-)

        We would all be white, christian, over 50 and support the tea party. I don't think Being more like Mitch or a Palinite appeals to everyone. Although it was just enough to win big in 2010.

        I write the above from lying in state on my therapy couch. Picture the portrait "Self-Analysis in Self Flagellation".

        Why oh Why? How oh How?

        •  I am not so sure. I don't think the tea party (0+ / 0-)

          owns it all.  They don't own Christianity, the Flag, America, civility like they would have you believe.

          Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

          by 88kathy on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:11:50 AM PST

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    •  ethnic identity is stronger than just skin (1+ / 0-)
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      pigmentation. While the dominant culture is European, do not be surprised if that culture over the next century does not evolve to include more aspects of minority culture. If you want examples. just consider where Jazz, R&B, Rap and Rock originated before they became mainstream

    •  Did you notice how the discussion of black (0+ / 0-)

      males kept making a reference to the minority population as if black male = asian = hispanic = native american, etc?

      Does the political correctness never end?

      Indians on H1B visas do not equal extended Latino families pooling resources to start a business do not equal black males who can't read or do simple arithmetic.

      Feel bad about singling out black males?
      Think about it as being equivalent to all of those efforts to help women blossom in school, then college and beyond. Single them out. Help them.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:51:09 AM PST

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      •  PC is really a term that should be retired (1+ / 0-)
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        However, until it is, perhaps we should point out to people who oppose PC that the term should mean Political Correction, or correcting past and present mistakes to avoid them in the future

        •  Tough to retire without something better to take (0+ / 0-)

          its place.

          In this case, the conflation of black male with minorities is a pure matter of not wanting to trample tender political toes, even to the point of failing to help a very specific group of people who we, as a society, desperately need to help.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:08:35 AM PST

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  •  Hubbard (6+ / 0-)

    naturally wants to eliminate a perk for the rich

    treat dividends and capital gains as regular income

    That's one of the good suggestions. Why should money making money get better treatment than people making money?

  •  Another $100 billion can be cut from the military (3+ / 0-)

    .....without ending either money pit of Afghanistan or Iraq. And people would barely even notice. That ought to give anyone pause at the general size and insanity of the military-industrial gone wild in the United States. A budget larger than any other country on the planet, probably.


    --Reduce nuclear arsenal and space spending
    Would reduce number of nuclear warheads to 1,050, from 1,968. Would also reduce the number of Minuteman missiles and funding for nuclear research and development, missile development and space-based missile defense.

    $19 billion

    --Reduce military to pre-Iraq War size and further reduce troops in Asia and Europe
    “This option,” according to the bipartisan Sustainable Defense Task Force, “would cap routine U.S. military presence in Europe and Asia at 100,000 personnel, which is 26 percent below the current level and 33 percent below the level planned for the future. All told, 50,000 personnel would be withdrawn.” The option would also reduce the standing size of the military as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan wind down.

    $25 billion

    --Reduce Navy and Air Force fleets
    Under this option, the Navy would build 48 fewer ships and retire 37 more ships than now scheduled. Overall, the battle fleet would shrink to 230 ships, from 286. In addition, the Air Force would retire two tactical fighter wings and reduce the number of fighter jets it planned to purchase.

    $19 billion

    --Cancel or delay some weapons programs
    This option would cancel the purchase of some expensive equipment, like the F35 fighter jet and MV-22 Osprey, with less expensive equipment that the bipartisan Sustainable Defense Task Force judged to have similar capability. It would delay other purchases. Research and development spending, which the task force considered a relic of the cold war arms race, would be reduced.

    $19 billion

    --Reduce noncombat military compensation and overhead
    Would change health-care plan for veterans who had not been wounded in battle. Premiums, which have not risen in a decade, would rise. More veterans would receive health insurance from employer. This option would also take some benefits, like housing allowances, into account when tying military raises to civilian pay raises. Currently, increases in those benefits come on top of pay raises. The military would also reduce the length and frequency of combat tours. No unit or person will be sent to a combat zone for longer than a year, and they will not be sent back involuntarily without spending at least two years at home.

    $23 billion

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:10:57 AM PST

  •  Greider's piece at The Nation is excellent ! (6+ / 0-)

    It's must read for all at dkos.

    We as a voting force need to commit to messaging to drown out the faux propaganda machine that is very destructive to all americans lives.

  •  I also like this Greider point. (4+ / 0-)

    People who still have great hope for Obama can help revive his presidency, but only if they toughen up themselves. Stop holding his hand (he's an adult) and start building a people's agenda that compels the president to change his. Obama won't like this at first—his own supporters talking back—but he can learn to draw strength from their courage. If people fail to step up with their own message, the president will likely fail with his.

  •  Are we taking our eye off the ball again? (7+ / 0-)

    Tax cut debate drowns out needs of the unemployed

    Amid the heated rhetoric about whether to extend the Bush-era tax cuts or repeal "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell," the media has for the most part overlooked the one issue that could affect the most Americans in the most dramatic way: whether to continue to fund extended unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed.

    According to a new poll commissioned by the National Employment Law Project, 73% of voters want to see Congress continue the extended unemployment benefits that were first put in place in the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to help soften the impact of the recession. Yet with unemployment still stuck at 9.6%, support for the extension seems to be dwindling in the upcoming lame-duck session of Congress.

    Demand Filibuster Reform call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 -AND KEEP CALLING

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:21:58 AM PST

  •  All hail Meteor Blades (6+ / 0-)

    I can't help myself - MB has to be the hardest working guy in Blogbusiness.  I go to bed to "Open Thread for Night Owls", and wake up to "Abbreviated Pundit Round-up" . . . both authored by MB.

    Now that's real dedication fueled by a desire to truly make a difference. You don't see that everyday, and you certainly don't see that level of dedication at show-me-the-money RedState.

    Just something I've been thinking about lately, and could no longer keep contained.

    No more Mr. Nice Guy . . .

    by thenekkidtruth on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:22:45 AM PST

  •  Chuck, the IRS is unconstitutional; (6+ / 0-)

    the Fed is unconstitutional and the Second Amendment applies only to black powder muskets. Anything the Founding Fathers did not include in the Constitution is unconstitutional so we can ignore hundreds of SCOTUS decisions and any amendments that gets our panties in a twist.

    Yeah in the day, Chuck was a bad ass martial arts guy but that was 40 years ago. Yeah Chuck always played a tough guy in movies and TV and yeah Chuck is a master of self promotion:

    He has even penned several books but missing from his resume to give gravitas to his opinions on constitutional law would be a college degree or a law degree or some other postgrad degree. Otherwise Chuck would realize arguing the constitutionality of the IRS is so over
    Sorry Chuck  

  •  What Greider Said (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans, who are masters of deceptive marketing, seized on Obama's most appealing qualities and turned them upside down. Their propaganda cast him not as soft but as a power-mad (black) leftist, destroying democracy with socialist schemes. The portrait was so ludicrous and mendacious, the president's party hardly bothered to respond.

    THIS is what is meant by "fighting back".

    it means responding aggressively to the onslaught Dems FEAR. Dems seem to fear harsh language and name calling and are willing to act like a doormat just to keep from THINKING they might experience "backlash" from the GOP.

    They get backlash all the time and are - like Obama, who will never please all the people all the time, and will never please republicans any of the time but who will keep trying against all odds - free to do anything they want knowing the GOP will bitch about every step they take.

    Fighting back won't make it any worse...

    America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:31:09 AM PST

    •  Dems fear standing up and getting deserted (5+ / 0-)

      see Finegold and Grayson.  Dems need more lessons in watching each other's back than they do in fighting back.

      Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:43:21 AM PST

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      •  Dems fear engaging and being forced to (0+ / 0-)

        reflect in a serious way on their own beliefs. That's why the calls are always about messaging, never about actual content or that other component of serious communication - listening.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:53:37 AM PST

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        •  Finegold and Grayson had trouble with (1+ / 0-)
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          actual content and listening?

          I don't agree with you.  Maybe if you had names and links I would be able to get what you are saying.

          Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

          by 88kathy on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:57:50 AM PST

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          •  Feingold was a DINO -- albeit in a good way. (1+ / 0-)
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            Grayson may have been the same, but it's a little harder to tell from up here in Illinois.

            Feingold is a great guy who deserved better than he got in this last election.  Definitely better than the party he was forced to wear like an anchor.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:05:53 AM PST

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  •  The backlash ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... frequently on display at dkos, has been an attempt by some of the president's most fervent supporters to stifle any criticism of him.

    The vindictive GOP strategy is racial McCarthyism, demonizing this honorable man as an alien threat, just as cold war Republicans depicted left-liberal Democrats as commie sympathizers.

    •  Suppose you had a friend (0+ / 0-)

      She was the best student in the school.  She was the top athlete in the school.  She was the most active philanthropist in the school.

      Suppose you said one day that you didn't like her blue dress.  Suppose the next day and for the rest of the year all that was said about her was about the blue dress.

      Would you think that bringing up the blue dress was still a good idea?  

      If someone wanted to start blathering about the green dress, would you caution them?  Would you tell them that taking up the green dress would only result in a pile on.  Not solve anything.  And cause everything else to be ignored.

      Now that the Blue Dogs are out, can we get the Democratic Party started?

      by 88kathy on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:52:13 AM PST

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    •  self-serving nonsense (3+ / 0-)

      the backlash has been against virulent, often character based, attacks that often dovetail perfectly into Right Wing points. As an easy example, a left-wing criticism of the GM bailout would have been to maybe demand that the UAW be given a majority of seats on the board, but what we got was a series of repetitions of Right Wing "money wasted" and "ripoff" attacks.

  •  cuts to defense should also (1+ / 0-)
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    include our nuclear submarine arsenal, which according to some critics are useless in combating  any real and current "threats" to the US.  

    "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:39:26 AM PST

  •  Fehrman -- Just following progressive fashion (0+ / 0-)

    with a twist.

    Why shouldn't Republicans get Reagan wrong? Democrats and progressives have been doing it for years.

    The cartoon Reagan is more useful for all, I suppose, than the conservative icon who initiated an arms reduction treaty with the Soviets and welcomed support from gay Republicans.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:42:37 AM PST

  •  I'm not going to... (2+ / 0-)
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    feel sorry for the under 30 vote for not being sufficiently lured to the polls with personal invitations. They are the most tech-savvy, internet-connected generation. They knew exactly what the alternative was and the consequences of not helping prevent it. Now they can live with it. And this year's election determined the congressional map for the next decade, so their laziness has some fairly long term repercussions.

    If they think their agenda is going to get prioritized by the government because they didn't vote over the agenda of people who did, they are clueless fools.

    •  that demographic is not energized (2+ / 0-)
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      because they do not see their ox as being gored. Imagine reinstituting the draft, for example, and the activism among the young that would inspire

      •  Yes, and that's... (2+ / 0-)
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        a silver lining to some GOP rule. The GOP is claiming to anyone in earshot that "the American people have spoken" with their new House majority. It's more accurate to say that "the American voter has spoken", but since only voters get a say, the GOP gets it both ways....they can make the claim.

        Young voters could have prevented this. Let them taste two years of what "this" is.

      •  The young do not see their ox as being gored (0+ / 0-)

        because they see it's already been gored and lies bleeding to death in the sawdust.  Every young person I've talked to in the last couple years is convinced Social Security will not be there for them when they retire.  This is the epitome of a self-fulfilling belief, a belief the right-wing noise machine has planted, watered and fed manure in their heads, Obama has reinforced with his appointments to the catfood commission, and it's blossomed into full acceptance.

        They don't have much faith that Medicare will survive, either - a bad omen for that program.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 07:34:29 AM PST

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  •  Three Cheers for Gene Robinson! (1+ / 0-)
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    Hitting the nail right on the head as usual....
    •  yep the legacy of GWB (0+ / 0-)

      two wars that just keep on taking; do an analysis of what it cost this country to execute these two wars, which have given us little or no advantage, and consider that we could have afforded a true national health insurance and had even deeper tax cuts. That usually shuts up the TPers as they love war and love cuts without realizing that the two are antithetical

  •  Please Raise My Taxes! (2+ / 0-)
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    Please Raise My Taxes!
    •  My household stands to owe... (0+ / 0-)

      ...about $4800 more if we let all the tax cuts expire.

      I'm willing to live with that to keep the Koch Brothers from having even more "cookie jar" money to spend on promoting so-called Clean Coal and the candidates they prefer. I'm certain the Democrats will lose all the short term new cycles that will blame them for the "biggest tax increase in History" but eventually the GOP House will have to propose something in its place. And they will start with tax cuts for the Rich.

      If we can just gut it out and get to that point all the mistakes of the Lame Duck can be atoned for, and all that bad press forgotten in record time.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

      by Egalitare on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 06:23:17 AM PST

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  •  Democrats never learn (0+ / 0-)

    They suffer from terminal Dukakisitis.

    "We have to deal with the world as we find it (and not fight to change it)." David Axelrad

    by Paleo on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:08:12 AM PST

  •  Only right wing noticed Bowles/Simpson cap gains (1+ / 0-)
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    In her own Voice

    one of the most progressive proposals for tax reform to get serious mention in 50 years and the "left" blows it off.

    What passes for "left" economics these days is very strange.

  •  Up against racial McCarthyism you need a (3+ / 0-)
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    Jackie Robinson and other supporting role players.  

    Jackie Robinson was the perfect example (for the less illuminated majority) as the titular head for race equality in sports and popular culture.  Unfortunately, he had to sit there and take the abuse and refrain from responding.  The role of agitator(s) was to be played by other players.  Even a group like the NAACP was reluctant to embrace the lunch counter sit-in movement...advocating that victory would ultimately be achieved through lengthy, less emotional courtroom battles.  

    Anyway, my point is everyone has a part to play.  You cannot expect the President to be some hybrid alternating between King, Ghandi, FDR, Mandela, labour union leaders and anti-corporatists whenever the moment demands it.  Sorry, but that's just not possible.

    In the propaganda created environment of racial McCarthyism, the colour barrier breaker still needs to embody Jackie Robinson.  That's not progress that anyone can really believe in...but that's the reality at this moment.

    1964 Cassius Clay vs Sonny Liston, 1997 Masters Tiger Woods vs Field, 2008 Barack Obama vs Field

    by ZenMaster Coltrane on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:14:47 AM PST

  •  Greider's column (0+ / 0-)

    If the Democrats would spend more time countering Republicans instead of crying into their milk about how unfair it all is like a six-year old, they might actually begin to change the conversation.

    Are you expecting some referee to come in and save your sorry asses from the big, bad GOP talking points???

    Do you people have any grown-ups left in that party???

  •  Even Chuck's impossible karate attacks will (0+ / 0-)

    not defeat the ninja army of lawyers, tax accountants, and tax preparation firms
    blocking his way to a flat tax.

    The community of fools might be small if it were not such an accomplished proselytizer.

    by ZedMont on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 06:06:24 AM PST

  •  Young voters won't be a problem (0+ / 0-)

    I think something the older crowd doesn't understand is that the old party loyalty system is basically dead among young voters. Young voters are very loyal to the President even while a lot of us are super annoyed (disgusted?) with ideological hackery that puts pointless political knifefights ahead of pragmatism. Put another way: the best way to turn young people off is to force Obama into becoming just another Washington politician who spouts out dumb overheated rhetoric (which is what pretty much everyone around here wants him to do).

    Give me liberty, or give me death!

    by salsa0000 on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 07:51:11 AM PST

  •  Progressives need to back the flat tax (0+ / 0-)

    because one of the constant sore spots in our nation is the fact that some people are forced to go through the annual ritual of divulging their entire lives to the IRS to pay taxes and avoid jail.  If we could depersonalize the tax, make it more of an automatic transaction with each sale, then we stand a better chance of enacting policies in the future that require spending money.

    But, levy the tax not just on consumer goods, bury it as a VAT, claim the internet as a federal tax only zone and tax every sale of stock, bonds, derivitives, exotic financial products and Wall Street bonuses.

  •  Chuck Norris? (0+ / 0-)

    Dear Chuck,

    Ummm the IRS is constitutional. It's provided for in amendment #16. Yeah yeah I know he won't see this but stupidity needs to be addressed.

  •  Walker, Texas idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    Chuck as in schmuck Norris displays a lack of constitutional scholarship so egregious he makes Sharontology and Carribou Barbie seem like the Jonathan Turley of Teabaggers.

    Norris is either intellectually dishonest or incredibly stupid...or both. Regardless of whether you like the IRS or not, our current system of progressive taxation was established via a constitutional amendment. It was ratified by 3/4 of the states, so exactly how is the 16th Amendment unconstitutional?

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Wingnuts of the Wesley Snipes and the Browns of New Hampshire have attempted w/o success to argue that the 16th Amendment was never ratified or it was ratified illegally. I just delved into a number of links to follow RepubliLogic and I am left w/ a splitting headache...but I digress.

    One argument was so absurd. Ohio's ratification is null and void because "technically the Buckeye State didn't become part of the union until 1953. Seriously. You can't make this shit up, but that's there answer and they're sticking to it. You can't even "refudiate" this kind of flawed thinking.

  •  Cure to unemployment: new wars (0+ / 0-)

    Then easiest sector of the economy for politicians to influence is the war sector. We employ many in this industry, and don't worry about layoffs because war has an effective attrition system known simply as "death" with additional "collateral damage" reducing civilian unemployment.

    For maximum efficiency we need wars in environments that maximize casualties on all sides with minimal to agricultural economies. So deserts work well. Islands do not.

    The latest GOP jobs plan suggests that Central Asia remains an exploitable market while African venues are also promising. They recommend reviving the menace of Mongolian hordes and growing Islamism to prepare America for a new major war each year. Targets can be identified by ending in -stan, which is of course a compressed form of Satan.

    Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

    by MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:56:38 AM PST

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