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*** UPDATE RETRACTION OF DIARY***
According to Donna Smith in a message to me on my facebook page: From Wendell Potter this morning:
"On Countdown Wednesday night, I inadvertently called AHIP's front group Health Care for America Now. The front group had a similar name: Health Care America, which I wrote about in my book in the chapter e...ntitled "The Campaign Against Sicko." As you'll see, some folks on the Daily Kos who are not fans of HCAN have picked this up, believing that I did indeed mean HCAN."

Thank you Donna.

****And please see nyceve's diary ****

*****From the source please see Potter's statement (A Verbal Slip on Countdown) in the comment section in nyceve's diary and on Potter's blog *****

As for the mix of group names, they are all very similar. It is so easy to get them mixed up. That's what AHIP counted on, I'm sure.



****Beginning of original diary stemming from Potter's mis-speak****

As far as I'm concerned Wendell Potter just dropped an H-bomb on Keith Olbermann's Countdown. HCAN, Health Care for America Now was/is astroturf. It was/is a front group for America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) and the insurance companies.

That explains why they would not hear of even mentioning Single Payer. Listen at the 5 min mark:

All you Kosacks who were defending the HCAN, what do you make of being used by the insurance companies?

I am sickened. I am angry. Fighting mad. However, I am very proud to belong to a union that knew HCAN was wrong from the get-go: the California Nurses Association/National Nurses United!

Originally posted to ludlow on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:31 PM PST.

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    •  This is . . . (23+ / 0-)

      . . . old news.

      Where is the money coming from and why is it going to this campaign that does not actually have a specific call to action? The official message from on high is that HCAN is grassroots. Yup $40 million bucks, top down pre-determined pre-compromised message by K-Steet establishment. Nicely done professional Ads. Paid staffers sent out on-message from central office. But we are told its grassroots. So says Ezra Klein. So says David Sirota (who really should know better). Well HCAN is many things. It is a lot of money beng spent with our message that the for-profit private insurance companies are the problem. But grassroots it obviously is not!

      . . .

      But... gee... all that money, and no real call to specific action, except to compromise and take single payer off thetable without even a fight. Now, imagine if they did everything the same, but also included in their $40 million blitz an option ask Americans to on call their Congresspeople to sign onto HR-676.

      That was posted 10 July 2008.

      Single-payer should've been the initial bargaining position, with a strong public insurance option like Medicare-for-All as the acceptable step-in-the-right-direction compromise.

      Instead, in a stunning display of false equivalency, the President declared that single-payer advocates are radicals, like those on the Right who believe that all health care should be privatized.

      And the President made these comments after trading away a public insurance option.

      The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

      by Orange County Liberal on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:18:07 PM PST

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    •  Not news for those paying attention. (17+ / 0-)

      Potter told Bill Moyers exactly the same thing in a much more in-depth interview (a full hour) back in July of 2009.

      Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients

      He also suggests that the insurance industry "played Obama like a fiddle," and tells how insurance and health care execs had a private meeting with then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton through lobbyist Tony Podesta, brother to Bill Clinton Chief of Staff, John Podesta.

      It's a dirty, slimy business. And the sad part is that they're all dirty.

      Puddles of their own bodily fluids will lie beneath their desk chairs.

      by Bob Johnson on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:35:44 PM PST

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    •  God bless the CNA/NNU! (8+ / 0-)

      IMO, the unsung heroes in the whole healthcare battle.

      They didn't fight for reform because they had to but because they worked on the front lines day in and day out and saw first hand the injustice, the inequality of the system -- how the insurance companies profited off the ill-health, death and despair of others.

      The history of the CIA's involvement with the American press continues to be shrouded by an official policy of obfuscation and deception -- Carl Bernstein

      by markthshark on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 12:41:22 AM PST

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    •  I think we need more information here (3+ / 0-)
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      If this is true, it's the bombshell of the decade -- the idea that all of the mainstream progressive groups (MoveOn, DFA, etc.) were duped for years by a secretly funded insurance company front group.

      I don't believe it.  The only evidence he cites to back it up is that HCAN used a PR firm that also worked with the insurance companies.  We need more than that for such an explosive claim.

      Furthermore, I rallied, called, and wrote on behalf of HCAN.  We were DIRECTED through e-mails and organizers to advocate for a public option.  I still have the e-mails and you can find photos of rallies I attended where organizers led us in chants and with signs advocating for a public option.

      Whether you agree or disagree with HCAN for supporting the final bill, I think we need to slow down here before we just take this on faith.

      •  I'll give you that a 2nd source would be (2+ / 0-)
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        journalistically needed. But follow the money if you can. K Street offices? Grass roots? in the same breath? Probably not.

        One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

        by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:00:27 AM PST

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        •  The location of the office is not enough (1+ / 0-)
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          Lots of advocacy organizations have offices on K Street.  Most of their money probably came from their member organizations (unions, prominently).  Certainly they weren't a spontaneous uprising of individuals -- it was a coalition of organizations pushing for health reform.  So yes, it was a professional operation from the start.

          Everyone likes to call their groups grassroots.  It sounds better.

          Here's what HCAN says on their website about their funding -- we should at least use that as a starting point.

          How is HCAN funded?
          HCAN is primarily by our member organizations, individual contributions, and foundations, including a major grant from The Atlantic Philanthropies. HCAN is a section 501(c)(4) issue advocacy organization. Members of the HCAN coalition include a wide range of nonprofit and advocacy organizations that are working to promote quality, affordable health care for everyone in America. HCAN’s members are tax-exempt public charities, advocacy organizations, and unions. HCAN and each member organization only conduct and fund only those activities appropriate to their tax and election law status. Additionally, HCAN is related to Health Care for America Education Fund, a project of The Tides Foundation, a section 501(c)(3) public charity.

          Now 501(c)(4) groups don't have to release their donors, but many progressive groups (including environmental groups, for instance) fall under this classification.

          Keep in mind also that the Tides Foundation mentioned above that HCAN is connected to is a human rights and social justice nonprofit that Glenn Beck has been railing against on his show as some sort of socialist conspiracy.

          Tread carefully here.

          •  It would be interesting to see a list (4+ / 0-)
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            of all contributors.

            One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

            by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:27:44 AM PST

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          •  Founder of Duty Free Shoppers (1+ / 0-)
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            gave away about $5 billion.

            http://www.atlanticphilanthropies.or...

          •  Atlantic Philanthropies (1+ / 0-)
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            The Atlantic Philanthropies are an allied group of foundations, trusts and other organisations, based primarily in Bermuda, and operating in seven countries.

            http://www.atlanticphilanthropies.or...

          •  Tides Foundation (1+ / 0-)
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            Welcomed 31 new fiscally sponsored projects to Tides, including Annie Leonard’s The Story of Stuff, We Are America Alliance which mobilized immigrant voters, A Call to Men which works to end violence against women, The Arab Resource and Organizing Center, and the Health Care for America Education Fund.

            >
            Initiated development work for a new multi-tenant office space in Sacramento to support the work of state-based advocacy organizations.

            >
            Expanded our NonprofitCenters Network program to more than 100 members operating and promoting green nonprofit centers that house 4,500 organizations and serve 2.5 million citizens.

            >
            Granted more than $20 million to support civic participation including more than $5 million through the Election Administration Fund working to transform the systems that make our democracy work.

            >
            Hosted more than 300 progressive philanthropists and activists at our third Momentum Leadership Conference.

            >
            Through the Africa Family Planning and HIV Integration Fund, granted $1.4 million to organizations working on the intersection between Reproductive Health and HIV in Southern Africa.

            >
            Housed nearly 100 tenants in our nonprofit centers - Thoreau Centers for Sustainability - in San Francisco and New York.

            >
            Granted $5.1 million to LGBT issues including more than $1.1 million to support educational efforts in support of marriage equality in California.

            >
            Granted $9.6 million to women’s rights and reproductive justice including successful efforts to stop anti-choice ballot measures in Colorado, Oregon and California.

            >
            Granted $8.1 million to economic and racial justice including support to defeat anti-affirmative action and anti-immigrant ballot measures in Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska and Oregon.

            >
            Honored three anti-nuclear advocates with the JBL Award for Excellence in Public Advocacy.

            >
            Helped launched the Tar Sands Collaborative working to combat the environmental disaster caused by the exploitation of the Canadian Tar Sands.

            via:
            http://www.tides.org/...

      •  vitovee, you are correct (3+ / 0-)
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        I have several emails from Wendell, He was not referring to HCAN.  This is incorrect.

        I repeat he was not referring to HCAN in the Olbermann interview.  There was another, organization at the time with a name very similar to HCAN, which he was referring to. Not HCAN though.

        •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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          Thanks Eve.  Unfortunately it's off the recent diary list now and last night it was a Rec-list diary, and as you can see in the comments, no one in here was really willing to consider it was a misstatement or inaccurate at the time.

          Wendell Potter is a true hero and has contributed enormously to our dialogue on health care.  But everyone slips up from time to time.

        •  I'm with nyceve - HCAN (0+ / 0-)

          was seeded by Labor, right ?

          •  Predominantly yes (0+ / 0-)

            According to Sourcewatch:

            Sourcewatch: Healthcare for America Now

            Health Care for America Now (HCAN) announced itself in July 2008, an election year advocacy campaign funded with tens of millions of dollars from unions and liberal donors to raise the issue of the lack of health coverage for over 40 million Americans

            I was at some of HCAN's rallies and a large percentage of the attendees were union members.

        •  He needs to clarify that immediately (1+ / 0-)
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          Since that interview, I've contacted MMoore, KO, Potter, Democracy Now, Rachel, everyone I can think of, and no clarification.

          I need to see clarification and he should give it soon.
          The only word he left out was the word "FOR" and I have emails from HCAN telling me that the PO is not necessary and that single payer is not considered reform.

          This is important to clarify.

          Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

          by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:14:52 AM PST

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        •  Thanks nyceve for this correction. I've listed (1+ / 0-)
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          Donna Smith's message from Potter at the top of the diary as an update

          One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

          by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:21:03 AM PST

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        •  Not doubting you, but he should (1+ / 0-)
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          tweet or post something on his website. He said "Healthcare America NOW" during his interview with KO, and that's too close for my comfort, given how HCAN talked me out of working for the PO and single payer.

          Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

          by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 09:04:46 AM PST

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      •  I've tried in every way to confirm (0+ / 0-)

        because in the video he says Healthcare America Now and omits the word "for" but I figure it is just a minor issue.

        Also, I highly disagree with your representation that we were directed to advocate for a public option, NO. I was told the PO was not necessary. I was told that single payer was standing in the way and was not real reform.

        I wrote numerous emails to HCAN protesting these positions and they were the reason I stopped working for HCAN, and I worked my ass off for them in the beginning.

        I knew it was a scam, felt it in my gut. My contacts there kept telling me that on the outside it looked bad for the PO, but secret meetings were going on and in the end we'd get it.
        Then when we didn't get it, they called me unreasonable for expecting it. I got that here at DKOS too.

        Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

        by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:10:02 AM PST

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        •  There's a difference (1+ / 0-)
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          between preferring a public option and refusing to support a bill that does not include one.  HCAN was the former, but not the latter.  I preferred single payer but I also supported HCAN's effort.

          "Feeling it in your gut" isn't enough.  This has been refuted every which way you can imagine.  Read my comments down further or Eve's (who is a tireless single payer advocate and one of DailyKos's greatest health care experts) above.  

          You can not like HCAN, that's fine. But Potter was not talking about them on Olbermann... he was talking about a different organization "Health Care America".

          Just think: why on Democracy Now Potter would he tell precisely the same story but instead call the organization "Health Care America"?  He was talking in both interviews about health industry efforts to trash Michael Moore's movie.  Sicko was out in 2007 and HCAN didn't even form until July 2008.

          •  I know it isn't enough (1+ / 0-)
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            which is why I have tried since that interview to get clarification from Potter, MMoore, KO, Rachel, the whole bunch. No clarification.

            I am not blindly trusting anyone anymore. I'd like to see it from a public source, like Potter, KO, Rachel or Moore.

            I was talked out of the PO and single payer by HCAN, and now pay $400 a month for health insurance, and can't often afford food. So please excuse my skepticism.

            I needed that PO and this President and HCAN told me I didn't and that's bullshit.

            Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

            by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:30:16 AM PST

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    •  You should update the diary. (0+ / 0-)

      See vitovee's comment below.

      •  See top of diary (1+ / 0-)
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        One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

        by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:23:55 AM PST

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        •  Where'd you get that? (0+ / 0-)

          Just interested in the source, was it through email, tweeted, listed somewhere here?

          Sorry, but my trust is burned out.

          Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

          by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:25:12 AM PST

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          •  From a correspondence with Donna Smith (1+ / 0-)
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            on my Facebook page. Hopefully there will be more official clarifications coming.

            Wendell Potter exposes Health Care for America Now--HCAN as a front group for AHIP and the insurance companies (he says it at about the 5 min mark). Makes me sick.
            Wendell Potter on the Anti-SiCKO Smear Campaign on Countdown with Keith Olbermann -- 11/17/10 | Mich
            www.michaelmoore.com
            Wendell Potter, the former exec who blew the whistle on pushing me "off a cliff," will be on Olbermann 2nite MSNBC 8pm & 11pm ET
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                       From Wendell Potter this morning:
                       "On Countdown Wednesday night, I inadvertently called AHIP's front group Health Care for America Now. The front group had a similar name: Health Care America, which I wrote about in my book in the chapter e...ntitled "The Campaign Against Sicko." As you'll see, some folks on the Daily Kos who are not fans of HCAN have picked this up, believing that I did indeed mean HCAN."See More
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            by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:44:48 AM PST

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            •  Thanks, who is Donna Smith? (0+ / 0-)

              Is she spokeswoman for Potter? Sorry for my ignorance on who she is.

              Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

              by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:49:45 AM PST

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              •  Donna is a tireless worker for Single Payer (1+ / 0-)
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                She is the point person for Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) and was one of the featured stories in SICKO, Michael Moore's movie about our dysfunctional health care system. See her interview with Bill Moyers here

                One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

                by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 09:04:42 AM PST

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                •  Is she Potter's spokesperson? (0+ / 0-)

                  Otherwise, it would be great to have it officially from Potter.

                  A Facebook post from someone not authorized to speak for Potter doesn't cut it as a source.

                  Just want to be crystal clear on this. It's important to get the record straight, from Potter himself.

                  Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

                  by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 09:07:15 AM PST

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    •  I was gonna write this last night (0+ / 0-)

      I'm with you.

      There are no grassroots groups anymore. I just spent the morning going through my emails from HCAN that told me the PO wasn't a necesssity... that HCAN was confused about why single payer was such a sticking point...I was pissed then, I'm even more pissed now.

      This will break open wider next week I'm thinking.

      Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

      by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:02:15 AM PST

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  •  You can link to (12+ / 0-)

    HCAN in your Diary.

    The funny thing about it, is that any other foreign national would be appalled at how stingy and depraved the "promise" is -- all for the purpose of continuing a corporate-parasite, for-profit, exploitation of a basic human right.

  •  Imo, this kind of stuff should be assumed, not (17+ / 0-)

    be something that is surprising.  This is corporatism and greed.  The problem is how they successfully divided the country so we can't do anyting about it.  

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:52:53 PM PST

  •  speaking of single payer, (20+ / 0-)

    bill moyers did a great program back in february on dr margaret flowers.

    remember

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: If anyone from either party has a better approach that will bring down premiums, bring down the deficit, cover the uninsured, strengthen medicare for seniors and stop insurance company abuses, let me know. Let me know. Let me know. I'm eager to see it.

    so dr flowers shows up with her single payer plan & is arrested.

    Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. The Gita 3.21

    by rasbobbo on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:57:42 PM PST

  •  Of the industry, by the industry, for the ... (14+ / 0-)

    industry!
    From one of my favorite blogs on the subject of HCAN-- by the executive director of the California Nurses Association, Rose Ann DeMoro:

    "You can watch someone rob your bank, but unless you stop them, the vaults are still going to be stripped bare. If you're looking for the hammer or any enforcement mechanism in the HCFAN proposal, don't bother, it's not there.
    The insurers don't care if we know they are thieves, they will continue to deny and delay care because it's in their DNA. It's how they are set up to operate, it's how they make money for their shareholders, it's how they generate plush pay packages for their executives, and it's how they compete with the other insurance giants. Nor does the HCFAN proposal contain any effective cost controls on the insurers."

    As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "here's your sign." Several of them actually, that HCAN was an industry front!

  •  They did an extremely good job. (4+ / 0-)

    They were nowhere near as obvious as "End Too Big To Fail Now" or whatever that group was.

    Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

    by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:17:37 PM PST

    •  "End Too Big to Fail Now" did 2 diaries here (4+ / 0-)

      Their first diary seemed legit enough, accusing Wall Street Reform of not being strong enough to ensure stability for the future.  Their second diary, right out of the blue, posted the vid for a big ad buy telling Sens. McCaskill and Bond to vote against it.  Right away we smelled a rat and chased them out of town.  Soon afterwards, it was on the HuffPost that they truly were a front group.

      Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

      by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:29:05 PM PST

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    •  This is what 11-dimen chess really looks like (8+ / 0-)

      As soon as the primaries wrapped up in 2008, HCAN was out there undercutting single-payer, while playing the role of a progressive advocacy group. Here's what Reuters wrote about them on July 8, 2008:

      The non-profit group is headquartered on Washington's K Street, known for its high-powered lobbyists, and said it was immediately starting a $1.5 million advertising campaign on television, newspapers and online, with an eventual spending goal of $40 million...

      The new group says it wants to keep the best of what already exists, without moving to a fully nationalized system.

      According to the 2008 Reuters article, HCAN supported coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions, which made them look progressive, but AHIP had the same position.

      There are some oddities. For example, HCAN supported a "public health insurance plan", but I don't remember them really fighting for it. Maybe it was there to undercut the single-payer advocates. The article also says that HCAN had the backing of the NEA, PPFA, and the SEIU. If they were able to dupe these groups, or if some of these groups were complicit in the duping, then this was a very well-orchestrated astro-turf.

      •  God, enough with (1+ / 0-)
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        "11 dimensional chess".  It's getting annoying.  But yes, I remember the ad campaign from 2008 calling for bipartisan solutions to health care.

        Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

        by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:57:13 PM PST

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        •  For once, the term is not ironic (3+ / 0-)
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          That's my point. Everyone uses the term "11-dimensional chess" ironically, to describe what is purported to be shrewd secret strategy; but the strategy turns out to be hapless incompetence.

          In this case, it was a brilliant, cagey strategy. It was actual 11-dimensional chess, successfully executed by the insurance industry.

          •  Yes shrewd, deceptive, alluring. (5+ / 0-)

            And AHIP has the money (money taken from US!) to continue to snooker us as they require. Put a pretty face on their death masks---they continue to be the real death panels yet they continue to get that label pinned on people trying to get regular folk the health care they need, when they need it.

            One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

            by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 12:39:31 AM PST

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            •  That's memetics. (3+ / 0-)
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              Something progressives are woefully, woefully unskilled at. Seriously, back to the bumper sticker slogans people. Short and pithy is actually a useful vehicle for communicating Zeitgeist.

              •  We need powerful stories that can be told (2+ / 0-)
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                in a simple sentence. And then we need to get it said over and over again on the teevee!

                One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

                by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 12:50:40 AM PST

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            •  Next: cut Medicare, shift seniors to exchanges (2+ / 0-)
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              Matthew Yglesias is already pushing the next step. Raise the eligibility age for Medicare and shift seniors onto the exchanges:

              And there’s really no reason to be paternalistic about senior citizens. Whatever total quantity of money we decide to dedicate to retirees, the retirees themselves should decide whether that money is used to buy hip replacements or presents for grandkids or whatever.

              I suspect that part of the issue is that the implications of the Affordable Care Act haven’t really sunk in yet. Traditionally raising the Medicare eligibility age more than a teensy bit would be unthinkable, since absent Medicare an elderly person would be totally uninsurable. But under ACA that’s not the case.

              The PPACA (or ACA) is so pernicious because it will empower the insurance companies with more wealth and give the Democrats and establishment liberals cover to get rid of Medicare and push everyone onto the health care exchanges. This is how Medicare dies.

      •  Looking at my HCR emails from that period (2+ / 0-)
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        This is what an HCAN-CA action email said:

        On Tuesday, we are going to escalate our actions against Anthem Blue Cross and other insurance companies that are denying Americans both good health care and real reform that includes a public health insurance plan.

        Join us as we declare Anthem Blue Cross a crime scene!

        Save the Date: Join us Tuesday October 6th in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, San Diego, and Santa Ana!

        It's no secret that WellPoint Inc. and its California subsidiary, Anthem Blue Cross, care more about widening their profit margins than meeting the needs of their patients. For too long now, these private insurance companies and their executives have been lining their pockets (at exceeding rates) while health premiums continue to rise three times faster than our wages! Even worse - WellPoint and its subsidiary have also been engaged in an aggressive campaign effort to derail national health reform

        Here's the disclaimer at the bottom:

        *This e-mail was sent care of Health Access California, the lead partner organization within the California Coalition of Health Care for America Now (HCAN-CA), part of a nationwide grassroots campaign aimed at building a movement to win comprehensive health care reform by mobilizing communities, progressives and activists in California, which includes the California Partnership, ACORN and many more.

        •  I received emails from them forever (4+ / 0-)

          I kept asking them after the health care bill was passed, "Aren't you sorry you took Single Payer off the table?" Never got an answer.

          One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

          by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 12:42:47 AM PST

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        •  It was savvy counter-strategy... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...to defuse the effectiveness of single-payer advocacy groups like HEALTHCARE-NOW that were doing more activist-oriented picketing of health insurers. (Ask Pris from LA about that; I remember her diaries about the non-astroturf protests.)

          As I recall, the HCAN "protest" efforts merely called for passage of PPACA as it was, and fed the "health insurers HATE this bill" meme that supporters were propagating at the time.

          In any case, it's ironic, in retrospect, that HCAN was publicly biting the hand that fed them, heh.

          •  I would bet AHIP gave them wide latitude (3+ / 0-)
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            since just about everybody hates insurance companies. Yet they got one of their main objectives up front: No Single Payer discussion at all ever.

            One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

            by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:03:06 AM PST

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          •  Their low-level staff probably never knew (2+ / 0-)
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            HCAN probably hired people who saw themselves as liberals and thought they were working for a liberal group. But I suspect they weeded out anyone who would question their strategy of keeping single-payer off the table. I'm sure staff also had to accept "reform" that looked a lot like what AHIP wanted.

            The people writing the emails, press releases, etc. probably never knew they were attacking the same companies that were bankrolling their employment. But AHIP was willing to take some verbal abuse from their own front group in exchange for a guise of authenticity and the ultimate goal of getting the legislation they wanted.

            •  Didn't they have a comment section once that (0+ / 0-)

              was full of comments for Single Payer early on that they had to shut down? Too many people were saying we needed Single Payer. Single Payer advocates tried to get onboard there but got shut out. Don't have the reference, but I remember something like that happening.

              One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

              by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:25:09 AM PST

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  •  Bill Moyers did an interview w/Potter in 2009. (12+ / 0-)

    Much more in-depth and incredibly powerful.

    From July 2009 (and Potter tells the Michael Moore story there, too).

    I don't know why this is suddenly getting attention. Potter has been telling these secrets for a year-and-a-half.

    Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients

    Puddles of their own bodily fluids will lie beneath their desk chairs.

    by Bob Johnson on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:21:58 PM PST

    •  In Potter's words... (9+ / 0-)

      "The insurance industry and HCAN played Obama like a fiddle."

      He also tells the story of how Tony Podesta, the lobbyist brother of John Podesta, set up a meeting between health care and insurance executives and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

      As I have noted before, our choices last presidential primary season were a DLC-corporatist candidate (Clinton) and a DLC-corporatist candidate (Obama).

      I know I will hear from the Clintonites that Hillary is a "fighter," but I just have to call bullshit on that.

      She's a Clinton. Clintons are corporatists.

      Puddles of their own bodily fluids will lie beneath their desk chairs.

      by Bob Johnson on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:29:56 PM PST

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  •  To be fair... (12+ / 0-)

    ...I don't blame the groups that got snookered into HCAN nor the voters who thought that HCAN was a legit advocacy group. The roster of HCAN members was a laundry list of Dem and progressive orgs, and the majority of Congressional Dems signed their name to HCAN, as well.

    That's what was so pernicious about the group; I knew many proggy activists who believed that HCAN was a good-faith effort supported by Democrats--because that last part was true. I didn't believe it, but I know at least one seasoned D.C. activist who did.

    •  That's one of the reasons it is SO INFURIATING (9+ / 0-)

      to me

      One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

      by ludlow on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:37:03 PM PST

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    •  True Party Purity (2+ / 0-)
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      Is rooting out shady front organizations like this, because they seriously divide our efforts, thereby weakening us.

    •  I'm suspicious (0+ / 0-)

      It's Wendell Potter's unsourced claim versus all the unions, all the medical associations, scientific organizations, Democracy for America, HRC, MoveOn, etc.

      Where's Potter's evidence on this other his claim that a PR firm worked for HCAN that also worked for insurance companies?  

      I marched in rallies organized by HCAN, one of which where we protested right outside of an AHIP convention.  We, led by the HCAN organizers, chanted FOR a public option.  

      I was on their mailing list since early on -- they repeatedly argued FOR the House bill over the Senate bill.  They asked their members to contact Senators and argue specifically FOR a public option.  I can cut and paste the e-mail texts if you like.  

      It's either the greatest story of 124-dimensional chess bankshot jujitsu ever told, or Potter is connecting dots that aren't there because he didn't like that HCAN took half a loaf in the end rather than advocating for voting no on the bill.

      I'm a believer in Occam's Razor, so until I see more solid evidence, I'll go with the latter.

      •  Follow the money---if you can. (2+ / 0-)
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        Potter is to me ultimately very credible. HCAN not so much.

        One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

        by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:04:13 AM PST

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      •  Potter's Moyers interview on HCAN's blog (0+ / 0-)

        Bill Moyers Journal Interview with Wendell Potter - Rebroadcast Tonight

        In case you missed it the first time around, the Bill Moyers Journal will be rebroadcasting Moyers' interview with former health insurance executive Wendell Potter on PBS tonight (with another rebroadcast on Sunday). The interview is powerful and infuriating, and it really shows what the health insurance industry is - a profit making, people killing machine. Be sure to tune in!

        If AHIP is running HCAN, why would HCAN link to Potter?

        Who is HCAN?  It's this coalition of organizations.  
        HCAN -- Who we are

        And yes, they have a lot of money (unions, progressive organizations, nurses, medical foundations, member associations, etc.) so it's not surprising that HCAN had $40 million.

        Every single person on this blog post so far has taken Potter's throwaway line on pure faith.  Let's get more information here.  If this unravels as Potter claims, it won't just be a passing quote on Olbermann.  It will (and should) be a national story, with Republicans beating Obama over the head for running a corrupt reform process.

        •  Why would this lead to Obama "running a (4+ / 0-)

          corrupt reform process?"

          It speaks more to the insidiousness of money in politics. Insurers are hated. But they have money. They can craft a front group that shills for them and we can't easily find out exactly who they are.

          That's what is killing us as a country. We can't easily know that Big Oil is acting like some consumer group interested in saving jobs and getting rid of the 'job-killing' clean energy standards in California (prop 23). Luckily we had citizen advocacy groups who got the work out so that most of us were aware that it was the Koch brothers and Valero oil who were trying to protect their gravy train with the proposition to roll back the progressive bill.

          I still say that Wendell Potter's word is trustworthy. But I'll be glad to keep your caution in mind.

          One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

          by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:19:20 AM PST

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          •  I agree wholeheartedly (0+ / 0-)

            But the GOP ties Obama to all sorts of "scandals" he has nothing to do with (ACORN, Black Panthers, etc.).  If Potter's claim were true, it would go to calling into question the credibility of a veritable "who's who" of progressive organizations.  Were they so incompetent and stupid that they were duped?  Or are they tainted by corporate money?  Did the union bosses get payoffs?  etc. etc.

        •  I doubt staff knew it was a front group (0+ / 0-)

          Staff probably thought they were working for an authentic liberal advocacy group. But they were willing to go through mental gymnastics like this:

          I asked Jason, "What gives? Is HCAN instructing its volunteers to demand the public option or not and if yes, why is that not on the phone script?" To his credit and unlike our local HCAN that only responds to complete dogged agreement, Jason responded:

          "Yep, we still want a public option, it's part of our finish reform right campaign. In that campaign, we've been talking about insurance regulations and the public option under the rubric of 'holding insurance companies accountable.' So, our phone script asked members of Congress to hold the insurance companies accountable.

          "A bit a shorthand, perhaps, but since we've been telling Members of Congress what we mean by that for a month now, we figured the message is still getting through."

          ...

          I have to laugh at Jason a little here. After our go-round about lack of clarity, Jason's post of the day is that Democrats are making it "clear". They are making it clear by asking for "real reform". No description of "real reform" or mention of the public option. Sheesh. I can't give them the benefit of a doubt here. I think they are being intentionally vague.

          I think staff were allowed lots of leeway since HCAN was setup to look like an authentic advocacy group. But, in the end, everybody folded exactly the way AHIP wanted them to. And who cares about getting attacked in blog posts that are only read by liberals who dislike insurance companies anyway? It gave the group credibility to help get legislation passed that AHIP wanted all along.

        •  Etham Rome - quite a guy (0+ / 0-)

          Ethan Rome became executive director of HCAN in April 2010 after serving for more than a year as deputy campaign manager in Health Care for America Now's successful campaign to win comprehensive health care reform
          ....
          From 2002 until last year, Rome directed public affairs for the 1.6 million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME). He managed national communications and media relations for International President Gerald W. McEntee, and led the union's priority organizing, legislative, and political campaigns. These included the successful drive to defeat the privatization of Social Security in 2005 and AFSCME's political programs in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

          Prior to joining AFSCME in 1999, Rome was chief policy and political adviser to the speaker of the Connecticut House, co-directing the historic campaign to win and defend a new state income tax in 1991 and 1992.

          http://healthcareforamericanow.org/...

      •  Health Care for America - Who Are We (0+ / 0-)

        too many organizations to list in a Daily Kos post

        read their list at:
        http://healthcareforamericanow.org/...

      •  July 08, 2008 03:00 PM (0+ / 0-)

        Health Care For America Now gets to work

        The Health Care For America Now initiative formally kicked off at the National Press Club today, and it sounds like a group with its eyes on the prize.

        A consortium of progressive groups, think tanks, trade unions and activists are set to launch a $40 million health care campaign to prepare the ground for the next president to sign expanded care early in 2009.

        The work of Health Care For America Now was first made public late last week. But the group, with Elizabeth Edwards as a figurehead....

        http://crooksandliars.com/...

        HCAN predates Obama's presidency.

  •  The first sign was they (5+ / 0-)

    got very big very fast.  I mean how do you get a 1,000 various organizations with their own voices to just assemble under and upstarts umbrella?  Very simply - MONEY! and shit loads of it.

    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    by dr fatman on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:33:03 PM PST

  •  The GOP's plot on this. (6+ / 0-)

    Wendell Potter (great guy!) said several times that the insurance industry does not want to repeal the HCR law fully, but the reason why they supported the GOP so heavily this year is because they want to repeal those "pesky" consumer protections, extended coverage to young adults, recission bans, and restore coverage cost caps and a few other things that stand between them and the gold mine.  They like the meat of this bill (the mandate), but they don't want to choke on the bones (the new regulations, consumer protections, etc.), so they are trying to get the GOP to do the heavy lifting this time.

    Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

    by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:40:45 PM PST

    •  Also (2+ / 0-)
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      The insurance industry wants higher fines on not getting insurance when you are able to, but that is a non-starter, I believe.

      Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

      by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:44:53 PM PST

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    •  I hope what they get instead is a repeal of the (2+ / 0-)
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      mandate. HA!

      One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

      by ludlow on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:45:48 PM PST

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      •  I agree on the condition that (1+ / 0-)
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        it is replaced with something else to ensure people have coverage.  Perhaps an employer mandate (the Bill Clinton plan) with a medicare buy-in option.

        Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

        by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:47:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  IRS mandate penalties (0+ / 0-)

        Under the law, Americans who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it will face a fine of up to $695 or 2.5% of their income, whichever is higher. More than 4 million Americans could be subject to penalties of up to $1,000 by 2016 if they fail to obtain health insurance, the Congressional Budget Office said last week.

        The IRS will have up to 10 years to withhold refunds from individuals who owe penalties, he says. Even if they aren't ordinarily due a refund, he says, "any time they overpay, those monies will be available."

        http://www.usatoday.com/...

  •  Beware Geeks sparing gifts. (2+ / 0-)
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    The lesson learned from the insurance industry.  They act like they're your friend and ally now, but don't believe it.

    Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

    by KingofSpades on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:53:12 PM PST

  •  Played like a Stradivarius (1+ / 0-)
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    Wendell Potter from the interview with Keith:

    The insurance industry played the Obama Administration like a Stradivarius and they did the same thing with members of the Tea Party.

    Well who woulda thunk it?

    Stop the Internet Website Blacklist! http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/

    by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 01:06:36 AM PST

  •  Question. (1+ / 0-)
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    Now, I have to get car insurance because I'm a driver, which I am told is a privilege.

    Does this mean that my health is a privilege?  Am I liable because I was "living without insurance"?

  •  Consider deleting -- Potter may have misspoke (3+ / 0-)
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    Wendell Potter may have confused "Health Care for America Now" with a group called "Health Care America".

    Former Insurance Executive Wendell Potter Challenges Media

    On HCAN's blog from August 2009, they cite Wendell Potter speaking about how an AHIP front group called "Health Care America" did astroturfing to promote conservative talking points to discredit health reform.

    APCO . . . also activated conservative allies and enlisted the support of conservative talk show hosts, writers and editorial page editors to warn against a "government-takeover" of the U.S. care system. That is a term the industry uses often to scare people away from any additional involvement of the government in health care.

    Health Care America also placed ads in newspapers. One such ad, which appeared in Capitol Hill newspapers, carried this message, "In America, you wait in line to see a movie. In government-run health care systems, you wait to see a doctor."

    APCO’s work on behalf of the industry included feeding talking points to conservatives in the media and in Congress and to place columns and op-eds written for the industry’s friends in conservative and free-market think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage, CATO, the Manhattan Institute and the Galen Institute.

    By the way, you will not find America’s Health Insurers among the clients APCO lists on its web site. That’s because the work it does for AHIP is largely covert.

    APCO is the PR group that Potter cites on Olbermann that he said helped form the fraudulent "AHIP front group" that was designed to discredit health reformers.  It makes more sense now in the interview's context of discrediting Moore, since HCAN never really actively tried to discredit Moore and cranked up long after "Sicko" was in the news.

    •  If not deleting (1+ / 0-)
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      then I think this would at least be worthy of a diary update until there is further confirmation.

    •  Further evidence that Potter misspoke (4+ / 0-)

      In an interview just this week with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, Potter refers to a APCO-related AHIP front group called "Health Care America".  It's chronicles on Michael Moore's website:

      Michael Moore:  Health Insurance Whistleblower Wendell Potter Details How the Industry Attacked Michael Moore’s Film Sicko

      WENDELL POTTER: Well, one key component was to fund a front group, and that is something that I write about quite a bit in the book, about how special interests, and the insurance industry, in particular, will use premium dollars to funnel thousands and thousands, if not millions, of dollars to big PR firms to set up fake grassroots organizations—astroturf, as we call it—and front groups. And in this case, there was a front group that was set up called Health Care America, and the sole purpose for it to be set up was to attack Michael Moore and to attack the notion of a single-payer system in this country.

      I understand the diarist posting this -- it sounded like a big story.  But this diary is flat out wrong.  And it's insulting to hundreds of our allies in HCAN to claim they were working for a AHIP front group.  

      Disagree with their strategy or their boldness.  But they weren't part of a scam insurance industry conspiracy.  And it's a bit shocking that everyone here gobbled it up without a single hesitation.

      •  Not to belabor this but (0+ / 0-)

        There is another source of this information, which is why this became an issue. On KO Potter said per

        Michael Moore:

        OLBERMANN: And did you -- did I read this correctly, that you got stuff from these talking points? From this smear campaign into mainstream representations of Moore at New York Times, perhaps?

        POTTER: Oh, absolutely. It was funnel through AHIP into a front group called Healthcare America Now, which was received by mainstream reporters, including The New York Times, as a legitimate organization when it was nothing but a front group set up by APCO Worldwide, a big PR firm that works for both the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. It was not anything approaching what it was reporting to be as a grassroots organization. It was a sham group.

        Potter said Healthcare America NOW, and that is why this became an issue. The only word missing was "for"

        I hope someone can link me with an official clarification of this by Potter so I can take my dog outside for a walk and forget this.

        Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

        by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:39:20 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's the same interview posted above (1+ / 0-)
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          And he certainly said "Health Care America Now".  Moore's transcript is right.  And by all indications, he meant "Health Care America".

          •  Just trying to show where this came from (1+ / 0-)
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            and I would love to see a public clarification from Potter on this.

            Fool me 1,700 times, I get skeptical...:(

            Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

            by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:55:47 AM PST

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            •  Given how all the 'advocacy' groups have similar (1+ / 0-)
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              names it is very understandable that Potter misspoke.

              One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

              by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 09:07:40 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yea, but we need clarification (0+ / 0-)

                from Potter before we source people who are not official spokespersons for Potter. He should clarify before we go further with retractions or assertions or trying to assume what he meant.

                As a journalist, I could not use anyone other than Potter's spokesperson or Potter himself to publish a clarification of what he meant. Even if I really trusted others in what they said, I could not use them as sources.

                Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

                by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 09:11:29 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

  •  Have you never been duped before? (1+ / 0-)
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    Many people in this country voted in the last election.....against their own best interest.....because they thought they understood what the politicians were spouting, and believed their political double speak.  The issue here is that Americans must work until they drop in order to provide "insurance for health care" for themselves and their families.  Workers watch their wages continue to shrink, as health care costs are shifted from the employer to the employee.  Workers are trapped in jobs, because to move or change jobs would perhaps mean losing the expensive health care they have.  Workers forego preventive care and will wait until they are critically ill to attempt accessing the health care their high deductible, high copay insurance provides, if that health care coverage is not "denied" by someone sitting in an insurance office cubby, who has no medical background.  We are sadly adept as a society in worrying only about ourselves...."I have mine...so the heck with everyone else".  Passion for a single payer system is a good thing...just be careful to whom or what group you hitch your wagon.  

    To listen and truly hear is to learn.

    by katnurseadvocate on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:09:58 AM PST

  •  This diary should be deleted. (0+ / 0-)

    As much for the comments as the incorrect info in the diary itself.

    TSA = Transportation Sexual Assault

    by Anima on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:24:35 AM PST

  •  I don't think AHIP would pay for the (1+ / 0-)
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    HCAN Insurance Nightmares page.

    http://healthcareforamericanow.org/...

  •  I think it's important to see the correction (2+ / 0-)
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    That I posted at the top.

    One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

    by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:36:07 AM PST

    •  Can you source that correction with a (1+ / 0-)
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      link to a public clarification?

      Not to throw shoes is the crime. Not to be outraged is the crime.

      by the girl on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:40:15 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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      My comments in this diary were nothing against you -- you were just reporting on what Potter said, which was totally diary worthy!  It was an understandable mix-up on his part give all the similar sounding organizations.  I was just skeptical from the start and wanted a bit more evidence before I was ready to believe such a claim.

      I only hope the people that saw this on the rec-list last night (and the 98% of readers in the poll that believed they were AHIP astroturf) find out about Mr. Potter's correction as well.  I hope Keith will also make a statement tonight to clear up the confusion.

      •  This speaks volumes to how starved (1+ / 0-)
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        we are for transparency. I was never happy with HCAN because they squashed Single Payer. That to me  was colluding with the private insurers who are the scourge of our health care system. Hopefully this can evolve into demands for full, clear, reliable information about all advocacy groups.

        One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All! www.nurseconscience.blogspot.com

        by ludlow on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:50:41 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Wikipedia (0+ / 0-)

    Health Care for America NOW! (HCAN) is a progressive political campaign of organizations that promote health care reform in the United States. It is a 501(c)4 issues advocacy organization, founded in 2008 as a project of the Tides Center.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

  •  A right-wing website (0+ / 0-)

    says HCAN is a SEIU/Move-On creation:

    http://sweetness-light.com/...

    The associations the article makes are based on office space occupancy.

    •  SEIU and Move-On have been woefully (2+ / 0-)
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      lacking regarding helping the health care justice movement in America.  They admire health coverage's naked emperors rather than Truth and Justice, which is why so many of us who have been paying very close attention were so willling to believe the initial report.  They have helped dupe the American public regarding the truth about health coverage equality and justice.
  •  A Verbal Slip on Countdown (5+ / 0-)

    What a difference a word can make — nothing short of the difference between good and evil.

    I did indeed misspeak Wednesday night. When referring to the front group Health Care America, I inadvertently called them “Health Care America Now” in response to a question from Olbermann.

    Health Care for America Now is one of the good guys, in my view. It is a real grassroots organization comprising a broad range of groups throughout the country advocating for “quality, affordable health care.”

    Health Care America was what is commonly known as a fake grassroots or “Astroturf” organization. It was set up and operated by a big PR firm and funded by Big Insurance and Big Pharma. Its Web site is no longer active — it was dismantled shortly after its work to discredit Michael Moore and Sicko was done — but SourceWatch has a page on the group.

    See the blog post on my website for more.

  •  A Fine mess (1+ / 0-)
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    First: Thank you, CNA for being in Washington, DC on 2009 when the battle over health care got started.  The Baucus Caucus made sure that any single payer, Medicare for all was off the table before any real debate started.  Now, Mad Max is at it again, now with the Rethugs in charge of the House, dissing health care reform, the little we got.  HCAN helped promote a watered down approach that turned into health insurance reform that only insurance corporation would love.  

    We sure have a fine mess.  

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