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The Washington Post is reporting that Senator Susan Collins is now saying that she will vote against cloture on the bill that includes DADT repeal because she isn't getting enough in negotiations with Senator Reid.

Collins has said she supports repeal, but won't agree to vote for cloture on the Defense Authorization Bill containing repeal if Harry Reid doesn't allow ample time for open debate and amendments on the bill.

In private discussions between Collins and Reid this morning, and between their staffs over the weekend, Collins has demanded that Reid allow what's known as "unlimited debate" on the bill in order for her to vote for repeal, the aide close to the talks says.

So just what was Reid's "unreasonable offer"?

Reid has offered Collins a total of 15 amendments in order to get her to vote Yes -- 10 for Repubicans and five for Democrats, the aide continues. Reid views this as a reasonable offer, because previous debates on defense authorization bills have had roughly this number of amendments offered, the aide adds.

There are competing versions of what Collins is demanding, with Reid's office saying that Collins has asked for unlimited debate, leaving open the possibility of non-germane amendments being offered by opponents to repeal until such time that the clock runs out, leaving it for the new Congress to start from scratch -- and with the new makeup of the House, no DADT repeal.

For Collins part, her office says this isn't true.

A spokesman for Collins flatly denies she asked Reid for unlimited debate. Rather, the spokesman says, Collins has pointed out to Reid that the average number of days spent debating previous defense authorization bills has been 11 days, with an average of 14 or so amendments considered. Collins has asked Reid to come up with a comparable offer, the spokesman says.

So Senator Collins is asking for at least 14 amendments be allowed, and Reid has offered 15, so we can only guess that she wants Reid to allow 11 days of debate as well.

If the Senate allows 11 days of debate on this bill, assuming absolutely no other business in the Senate (which we know is not the case) and the Senate does not adjourn for any weekends, we would be brought to December 20th for a final vote.  With weekends included, it would bring us to December 24th.

So the reality is that she is demanding something that, for all intents and purposes, runs the clock out - which would mean no repeal of DADT.

Of course, she gets to have it both ways - as those of us that live in Maine well know is something she excels at.  She gets to say that she wanted to repeal DADT without ever having to vote to repeal DADT.

Of course, supporters of repeal in Maine are continuing to organize and call our Senators, and we will not stop until there is no hope, but it's not looking good.

Originally posted to Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:41 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (20+ / 0-)

    I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

    by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:41:51 AM PST

  •  Lieberman's statement (5+ / 0-)
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    suggests she's still very much in play.

    Senator Collins has been working in good faith to achieve an agreement on the process to move forward with the defense bill that contains the repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' I categorically reject reports by uninformed staffers who have suggested otherwise. As she always does, Senator Collins is working diligently and across party lines to find solutions to the challenges that confront our country. I call on those responsible for such baseless allegations to stop immediately and instead work to get to an agreement to bring this critical bill to the floor for Senate action.

    We are making progress toward an agreement to move forward on the defense bill that includes the repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' and I remain confident that we can reach an agreement, which is necessary before any vote on the motion to reconsider is taken. I am working closely with Senator Reid and Senator Collins and other members who want to reach a fair and reasonable agreement to move the defense authorization bill that that is so essential to the needs of our troops, veterans, and their families.

    It is now more clear than ever that we have 60 or more votes in support of repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' so it is vitally important to reach agreement on the right process to move forward.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/...

    •  Interestingly, though (3+ / 0-)
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      her office is not denying it, as quoted above.

      A spokesman for Collins flatly denies she asked Reid for unlimited debate. Rather, the spokesman says, Collins has pointed out to Reid that the average number of days spent debating previous defense authorization bills has been 11 days, with an average of 14 or so amendments considered. Collins has asked Reid to come up with a comparable offer, the spokesman says.

      We've seen this game before from Susan Collins, on DADT just this year.  She wants to vote to repeal DADT, but those mean Democrats won't let her set the rules for debate.

      In this case, even of those rules end up not allowing for a final vote on what she says she wants to vote for.

      I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

      by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:48:11 AM PST

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      •  Is Scott Brown voting for cloture? (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm guessing no.  At this point, I'd be shocked if any other Republicans want to buck their party and do the right thing.

        Oba-MA bumaye! Oba-MA bumaye!

        by fou on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:50:11 AM PST

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        •  I've heard he's for repeal (2+ / 0-)
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          but not sure where he stand on cloture.  If memory serves me, we don't have all the "Democrats", so I think we need Susan Collins to move forward.

          That said, I'd love nothing more than to be able to get through cloture without her.

          I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

          by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:53:20 AM PST

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    •  Tweet from Ana Marie Cox (0+ / 0-)

      Clarification: Lieberman says it's "a shame" #DADT may fail bc of process. But still: PROCESS? I think, yeah, "shame" is right. On them.

      I just talked to Senator Collins' office and asked her to vote for cloture on the bill.  The poor intern didn't know what I was talking about, but took down my request and information.

      I'm sancti...sancta...sancto... I'm pissed off.

      by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 12:18:05 PM PST

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  •  why does Maine like her???????? (5+ / 0-)

    She is your basic lying asshole politician!

    •  Damn good question (2+ / 0-)
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      Who can answer this?

    •  She has done a great job (1+ / 0-)
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      of positioning herself as a "common sense moderate", and Mainers think of themselves in those same terms.

      Again, notice what she is doing - coming out for the "common sense moderate" position, while at the same time killing any chance of voting for it.  She will then (as she did last time) blame the Democrats for not allowing it to happen.

      I've read a lot about Kabuki Theater in the last couple of days on this and other sites.  She, in fact, is the master of it.

      I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

      by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 10:55:35 AM PST

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  •  Just how many times are we.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....supposed to fall for this routine? Really, we all look like saps every time these faux-reasonable republiCONS does this pre-vote feint. It's shocking how intrinsically gullible we are. This republiCRONE is pulling another "Lucy" and anyone who convinces themselves that these duplicitous characters might EVER do the right thing is seriously masochistic.

  •  Collins will serve her Leadership first (0+ / 0-)

    When I saw Collins doing her coyly moderate dance on DADT, I could only think of the grouse's broken wing act.  Reid is supposed to be smarter than my bird dog, and maybe he will recognize that this act always ends the same way in both cases.

  •  Her position is clear (1+ / 0-)
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    She's ready to support repeal:

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    It's a common position we see when negotiating with Republicans.

    Now passing 1,000 Choi Units into the Obama administration.

    by Scott Wooledge on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 01:35:28 PM PST

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