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And I'm not being ironic or playing on words. It seems there is literally no hope.

In case you are unaware, The History Channel has a new documentary on The Third Reich, a documentary on Germany during WWII using never before seen footage of Germany and everyday German life during the war. It was on Tues and Weds night.

(You can probably guess where I'm going with this. Go ahead, invoke Godwin. I don't care.)

I watched the footage of Jews leaving Germany, having to pay 90% of their assets for the privilege of doing so. But in the words of one woman "No price was too much to pay for escape."

Call me paranoid, call me defeatist, but with each passing day it my wife and I wonder out loud, how long before we find ourselves saying the same thing? How long before we decide to run away to Canada or the U.K.?  To escape this madness.

For their literally seems to be no hope. None.

I look at the U.S. like a huge room. One with rubber on the walls.

In one corner we have weak, timid Democrats, and beside them, their "opponents" for who comparisons to the Third Reich or the Mafia do not nearly exemplify how dangerous they are.

In the other corner we have a Supreme Court that operates with impunity, and is answerable to no one.

In this other corner we've got the big money from the corporations, the military-industrial complex, Big Oil, The Chamber of Commerce, etc, who now - thanks to the SC -- have unlimited say over who gets elected or not.

And in this other corner is the population of this country. There's us liberals and progressives, trying to make this a better world, but are hopelessly outnumbered/outgunned by two groups. One, the conservatives, who are far better organized and energized than us they are able to spread their influence far far past what their numbers would otherwise suggest.

Two, the great mass of apolitical Americans who are liberal but just don't know it and are far too distracted by such all-important topics such as the NFL playoffs and who wins The Biggest Loser.

Some of them voted for Obama, but now see him (rightfully) as too weak and ineffectual to be of any real use. What could have turned into a movement that could have lasted years has been pissed away.

It's like we're on a never-ending Moebius strip: we get a Dem into the White House and then - BLORP! - disaster strikes and Republicans take over. Carter, Clinton, Obama - it's never-FUCKING-ending. We are right back where we were in 2004 with blue states segregated in the West Coast, Northeast, and the Upper Midwest.

So what now? As things stand now, Obama will be lucky to be re-elected; many of those who turned out for him in 2008 will sit on their hands in 2012, leaving us at the tender mercies of a GOP White House, Senate, House and SCOTUS.


They've got Citizens United, they've got majorities in State Houses with redistricting power, they've got the admittedly formidable energy of millions of deranged lunatics who have made it clear that violence is an acceptable option to achieve political ends.

Meanwhile, our president, wants to be "bi-partisan". It's like he is expecting to be greeted with candy and flowers.  

Start a third, liberal-based party? Yeah. Right. That guarantees a President Palin. Primary Obama? With who? Either way, how do you guarantee a new nominee doesn't get co-opted by the lobbyists, et al?

What's the point of all this? When the majorities of this country are willing to vote the same turds that caused this mess back into office, I seriously have to wonder if this country is even worth saving.

It's clear that a plutocratic rule is what the GOP wants in this country. Some would say we already have a de facto plutocratic government now, already. And of course, we can't forget about our fundamentalist friends who will be doing their best to outlaw abortion and create a theocratic society.

I remember last year when someone -- Meteor Blades, IIRC -- announced that his family would no longer pay taxes since Obama would not end the wars in the Middle East. We all told him that was foolhardy and would just get him into trouble.

Therefore, the wife and I are putting serious consideration into emigrating to somewhere else. We just don't have the energy to participate in this Sham-ocracy anymore.

I guess the question I'm putting out there is, is there any reason to think that there's any improvement on the horizon? Believe me, I'm all for fighting, but sometimes there's only so much that can be done. And I categorically refuse to live under President Paylump.

I'd rather be the Jewish lady on the train, as opposed to a Jewish person who remained behind in Poland.

Originally posted to Jank2112 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:24 AM PST.

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  •  You're just expressing (5+ / 0-)

    what millions are now feeling.  Everyone has to deal with the reality in his or her own way.

    But you're certainly not alone if that's any consolation to you.  Mostly it is very frigtening for those who are most informed and intelligent to try to maintain sanity in an insane world.

    Humankind cannot stand too much reality. T.S. Eliot

    by blueoasis on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:39:15 AM PST

  •  Oh (1+ / 0-)
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    and you should put up a tip jar or a comment to serve as one.

    Humankind cannot stand too much reality. T.S. Eliot

    by blueoasis on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:40:14 AM PST

  •  How do you emigrate? (1+ / 0-)
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    If you're middle-aged and not wealthy, most countries don't want you.  And as bad as it is, I don't think anywhere you'd want to go would consider your request for political asylum.

    I'm not being facetious.  I share your distress.  I just don't see this as a realistic solution.

    "[W]e shall see the reign of witches pass over . . . and the people, recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles." Jefferson

    by RenMin on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:40:55 AM PST

  •  That's totally over the top. (0+ / 0-)

    Even a Republican dystopia wouldn't, in the overall context of world history, be a hopeless place.  And a country from which you can freely emigrate always ranks pretty highly on the hopefulness scale.  But this whole emigration thing is based on relative ignorance about the problems that other countries face.

    "George Washington said I was beautiful"--Sarah Palin on Barbara Bush, as imagined by Mark Sumner

    by Rich in PA on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:42:24 AM PST

    •  I don't think any place is *perfect* (2+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, Ruff Limblog

      But I just don't see the same kinds of idiocy and lunacy that we've been seeing in this country for the last 10 years.  North Korea excepted.

      The Republican Party is Michael Douglas. The Tea Party is Glenn Close

      by Jank2112 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:59:06 AM PST

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    •  One is simply not free (2+ / 0-)
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      to emigrate if one does not have funds. That is not a right, it is a privilege for the wealthy and the few who otherwise qualify, due mostly to an accident of birth.

      It's hard to imagine that those who are living on the edge of homelessness with no jobs are living all that well as you seem to feel they are. When their friends or relatives decide they can't afford to support a houseful of incomeless families anymore, there are going to be a lot more homeless, too.

      I heard that because of the difficulty in determining who are and are not life partners, they are considering reclassifying all roommates as family units. That means that if somebody loses their job and the only money they are getting is food stamps, they can't move in with someone without losing their food stamps. If you have an apartment and space, you can't let somebody down and out move in unless you are willing to support them.

      We want to make sure people with food stamps are living out on the street. It's only reasonable.

  •  Er... well I don't think it's *that* bad (0+ / 0-)

    I mean, everyone has their different levels of what they can handle, or what they will put their families through, but I absolutely don't believe things are without hope.

    Then again, I am looking at this as a Black U.S. American, with all the weight of our history behind me, all the desperate times, all the desperate people who really had no hope, and no escape. They never gave up, over centuries of effort. Don't really see how I can.

    And I carry with me the weight of those, even children, who worked 12-16 hour days for a pittance, and could look forward to nothing more than that until people who would not give up, would not be threatened away, and would not be shut down wrested decent workweeks and wages from those who didn't want to give them.

    I could go on - and no doubt you could as well, if you thought about it. I don't feel the darkness of the times that you apparently do, nor the hopelessness, because I have seen what just a few people banding together to change the narrative, to change minds on the ground can do.

    As you can probably tell, I am not much into all the "doom, doom, gloom - the world is ending!" I am far more interested in promoting liberal policies, liberal positions, and attempting to change minds (or even to get people to know their own minds) at a person-to-person level, if I have to. I find that far more satisfying, personally.

    Good luck.

    A new world is not only possible, she is on her way. -A. Roy expedition

    by Nanette K on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 09:48:31 AM PST

    •  And you are right of course... (2+ / 0-)
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      ..but it's also noteworthy that almost 50 years after the Civil Right Act, we've STILL got assholes fighting the Civil War, promoting "Confederate Holidays", waving the stars and bars...these dickheads are ingrained in our society and they're catered to at every turn by the GOP. Fifty Years!

      The Republican Party is Michael Douglas. The Tea Party is Glenn Close

      by Jank2112 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:03:41 AM PST

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      •  Sure, but 50 years is a drop in the historical.. (0+ / 0-)

        bucket. And every year they lose the Civil War again, every year they lose more of the Jim Crow South, and every year more people see the past for what it was.

        Maybe in another 50 years or so, it won't even be an issue but to a few grizzled holdouts.

        A new world is not only possible, she is on her way. -A. Roy expedition

        by Nanette K on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:08:18 AM PST

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    •  I'm not into the "doom, doom, doom - (2+ / 0-)
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      the world is ending!" thing myself. But I see it happening as the window of opportunity is passing.

      I'm sure the Romans had no clue that their world was coming to an end. And history shows that the wealthy didn't care.

      Hey, no problem. We irretrievably destroy the environment, will not be able to keep up with food production or distribution, and we run out of energy. I'll be dead by the time the New Dark Age comes. But not by long.

      •  Angela, I too see a window of opportunity passing (1+ / 0-)
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        I am not sure we see the same window, but I don't think the one I see is gone yet.

        The world is definitely a mess of our own making - but there are old-timers and young folks just coming up alike who recognize this and who are making it their life's work to rectify things.

        It won't happen overnight - and in some cases it may not happen at all, as species disappear forever and groundwater dries up, populations are displaced, and all the rest. But I do think it will happen, that we can turn things around just a little bit, for breathing space. And then a little bit more, and a bit more.

        Globally, people are doing things, and yes, it's an unequal fight against corporations and capitalism and "free" trade and all the other forces aligned against it. But it's not an unwinnable fight, in the long run.

        A new world is not only possible, she is on her way. -A. Roy expedition

        by Nanette K on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:13:58 AM PST

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        •  It's Easier to See Progressive Democracy Rebound (1+ / 0-)
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          in Europe than here. They're not swamped by our vast 1st Amendment corporate media freedom, they've got more people-sensitive systems of government, and they've got centuries of living within much tighter constraints of territory and per capita resources than the US had when our system was framed.

          The American Experiment, which I'm increasingly thinking of as Europe's American Experiment, may well be over. It's hard for me to see how the interests of the people can gain the power to restrain business, media, militarism and the rich under this system.

          Maybe it can, some day. Those of us whose careers are nearly over will have to leave those efforts mostly to concentrate on survival. But we're the only ones old enough to have ever seen the country governed on a non declining path. Our reports of policy and conditions of life are not credible with almost half the country.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:33:59 AM PST

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          •  Hi Gooserock, true (1+ / 0-)
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            Although the Right is gaining ascendancy in some European governments lately, they do have better corrective measures.

            In this country, though, again we are looking from different perspectives. I am in my 50s but my view of the this country being governed on a non declining path is a bit narrower then some. When I was a child - in Los Angeles in the 1960s - my family still couldn't live where we wanted. My mom (who looks white) would go and rent us an apartment in a decent neighborhood, only to find herself and her children very quickly thrown out again once they caught sight of little brown me. So, in some ways, it's only been a relatively few years that I've seen this upward trajectory.

            Thing is, while I think it is important to change the government and rein in the corps and stuff, I don't think any of that will happen until we change hearts and minds on the ground. Or at least engage them personally. The Right wing did not emerge full-grown from Reagangod's forehead. It was built, piece by piece, inch by inch, neighborhood by neighborhood.

            For some reason we won't or can't seem to replicate that much. For instance, TheGrandWazoo has a diary up chock full of ideas and things we can to do change things (it could probably use a better title) - if someone can't do one thing, maybe they could do another - but the odds are it will be pretty much ignored.

            I think sometimes we give up too easily. Or it seems like it, I know in the long run that's not true at all.

            A new world is not only possible, she is on her way. -A. Roy

            by Nanette K on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:57:05 AM PST

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  •  Canada of 30 Million Will Never Take In 50 Millio (1+ / 0-)
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    Americans. There is no place for most Americans to flee to, for any price.

    This is where the rightwing was in the 60's. They knew you were right about 3rd parties so they set about building an independent movement, mobilizing previously low turnout voters, creating their own messages and messaging systems, and creating candidates to feed into the Republican party at the local level.

    It took about 15 years for them to be important in electing a President, and 20-25 to reach the power of being able to make demands.

    I don't know if progressives can replicate that history on our side but that is one proven way to succeed.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:26:05 AM PST

  •  don't know if it's any help, but.... (1+ / 0-)
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    i get really really really really depressed. but i keep going. lately i just can't stand looking at the news. normally i'm a total news junkie, but after the election i just had to look at it in small doses at a time, if at all... the way you watch a horror movie, with your hand over your face, peeking through your fingers little by little.
    it's funny, i used to talk about this stuff with my father, who was a lifelong liberal, super mench, and very wise/enlightened person. he used to say, somewhat wistfully, that we little regular people make our little contributions, we put our little teeny money in the collection plate, we make our little hopeful contributions in our communities, we help our neighbors. but there are huuuge people and companies out there with big big mega bucks with the ability to do such aweful stuff. and he would get this faraway look, like, 'is there any point to it all'. but he always kept going. he always kept doing it, being a mench.
    after bush stole the 2000 election i felt the same way as now. i was so nauseated, i couldn't look at the paper, i couldn't listen to npr, because i thought if i hear his voice or see his smirk i'm going to throw up. and i thought, well, the election was !@#$ed, but i'll do what i can do, and i wrote checks to all the things i wanted to support that i thought would be screwed by the election. environmental groups, human rights, reproductive choice, poverty. and i've done it ever since. and i'm doing it this year.

  •  Not sure why you think Canada (0+ / 0-)

    or the UK would be any better. Have you bothered to check who's in power in those places?

    People here who are upset with Obama aren't going to be happy anywhere, with any government that could actually get elected.

  •  I guess as long as their are..................... (0+ / 0-)

    more working people keeping the country running than upper class blood-suckers at the top; there is always hope. We, as in working folks, do outnumber them by vast amounts.

    Just like in the days of the industrial revolution when we had sweatshops, child labor and no safety net; workers were able to organize and start us on the road to making a middle-class lifestyle available to all.

    Eventually, those who either don't care or think conservative policy benefits them, will wake up to the fact that they are being used by a system that care nothing about them or their children's future.

    The problem is that WAKING THEM UP is going to be a long, uncomfortable, ugly and dangerous process.  

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 11:06:40 AM PST

  •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't really think there is hope, except for the tiny sliver of possibility of the South seceding and us letting them go (and that's not a chance big enough to write home about.)  The only reason I haven't gone yet is that my partner of 6 years still thinks there's hope, bless his heart.  Get out while you can, if you can.

  •  of course there is (0+ / 0-)

    things are always changing.  

    of course the more they change, the more they tend to stay the same.

    it's like a physical property of the universe.  we do live in a spiral.

  •  I've also been watching and 'enjoying' (0+ / 0-)

    (if that's the right word) this program on the History Channel. You wouldn't think there was anything new to be said or shown on the subject, by this point, but the producers have found quantities of material that I'd never seen in half a century of interest.

    I can relate to the feelings that provoked this diary, I think.

    To me, the most striking thing about the rise of the Third Reich, as shown in the series, was just how slowly, inexorablely, and subversively it proceeded -- until all preliminaries were in place and everything suddenly crystallized into a totalitarian form. At which point there was no going back.

    It probably won't take the same form in the U.S., but I can see a lot of the surveillance and secret police underpinnings are already in place. And it really won't make a lot of difference who gets elected if both parties are fundamentally fronts for the oligarchs. The big money and its pet media are very close to locking down real power and control, IMHO.

    Not quite dire, yet - but keep your eye on Washington. They will finally ruin the New Deal next year, and that will be another degree further toward boiling the populist frog...

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