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Every action has a reaction, every destructive action has destructive reactions!

This report is just a part of the legacy we've left to an entire small Country of innocent people, as well as their neighboring countries, whose doctoral leader was under our thumb, right up till his hanging, as to the policies of that whole region we push in the names of Freedoms and Democracy!

The damage done over the previous decade, the pandora's box destroyed, the tens of thousands killed and maimed, the millions turned into refugee's within and running to escape, the children who've grown up in the destruction and death around them, the now selective cleansing of once neighbors and friends.

It isn't only the war of choice that has reaped the damage but the hate, and fear, rhetoric coming from within our country as well as from others who also use it to control their own, now a decade of it as it continues.

Iraqi Christians Forced to Flee in Face of Attacks

AIR DATE: Dec. 24, 2010 - SUMMARY

Lindsey Hilsum of Independent Television News reports on the rise of anti-Christian violence in Iraq.

You can read the transcript here but a few snippets of below.

JEFFREY BROWN: Next, even as Christians around the world celebrate Christmas, many churches in Iraq have canceled festivities. Lindsey Hilsum of Independent Television News explains why.

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LINDSEY HILSUM: Standing here in this church it`s not hard to understand why Christians want to leave. Christianity has been here in Iraq for more than 2,000 years. Some of the Christians still speak Aramaic -- the same language as Jesus. But the killings and bombings and attacks of the last few weeks may have tipped the balance. People want to go.

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ZUHAIR MARZINA EASHOUE (TRANSLATED): We don`t want to leave, because we`ve watered this country`s soil with our blood for thousands of years. And this is a Christian civilization with Christian history. But what`s happened has made us hate the country, which doesn`t protect us and our children.

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HANNAH (ph) (TRANSLATED): We were happy and getting on with our lives. But as soon as the Americans came into the country, this is what happened to us. They say to us, "The Americans are your people. They`re Christians." They say, "You brought them here," and they kill us for it.

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WAJDAN SALEM: Since 2003 everything in Iraq have been damaged. We are building a new army. We are building our new police. It was the responsibility of the coalition force. And that mean the situation in Iraq is not just the Iraqi government`s responsible (sic), it`s the responsible (sic) of all the world -- all the country (sic) who were part of the war. {continued}

What gifts will the children, who've grown up in these conditions we set in place or those to come and are told of the recent history, going to give back to us?

Not only in or from Iraq but that region, especially Afghanistan and northern Pakistan, as our words are as damaging as the bombs and bullets.

Some who've grown have already picked up arms and are fighting against the occupiers in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Some who not only watched the continued reaping of terror, death and destructive damage but have heard the also continuing hate speak coming from those that profess a different religious ideology then their own as well as ethnicity and culture have also grown up through these past years and are seeking ways to retaliate.

Originally posted to jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:08 AM PST.

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  •  It was Saddam! He was so bad he hadda go! (7+ / 0-)

    After all, he tried to kill the Dad!
    I can only hope for some form of afterlife where Junyah reaps what he's sown, because, K-reist, it ain't happening in the flesh.

    MR PRESIDENT: $11 billion per month spent here at home would solve...
    EVERYTHING.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:31:10 AM PST

    •  Yep (4+ / 0-)

      He knew way too much about daddy and the cabal that brought us the son, so he had to be taken care of, his usefulness for years had run out!!

      Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

      by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:37:20 AM PST

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    •  Ain't that the truth. It's Christmas morning (5+ / 0-)

      and my heart has nothing but hatred and contempt for the Son of Poppy, aka Oedipus Tex, and all His holy minions.

    •  That's.... Not Quite It (2+ / 0-)
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      jimstaro, OleHippieChick

      Hussein went off the reservation.

      i.e. as long as he agreed to allow U.S. oil transnationals to do bidness in Iraq, he could get weapons (chemical WMD's included) from the U.S. and be a horrible dictator.

      the U.S./British sanctions after his foray into Kuwait pissed Hussein off and he started doing bidness with Euro and Russian oil companies.. contracts were signed... and as Iran has done, Hussein talked about creating his own oil bourse, and intended to lock U.S. oil companies out of Iraq.

      In spite of the fact Halliburton/Cheney had been doing bidness with Hussein in the 1990's, around the same time he went off the reservation, the bush cabal cranked up, labeling Hussein "a crazy person" and the WMD propaganda began in earnest. the invasion/occupation of Iraq-- which included the summary execution of Hussein's sons and grandson by the U.S. military, occured shortly thereafter.

      Keep in mind Iraq's oil reserves are believed to be as large-- or larger than Saudi Arabia's.

      rest assured had Hussein simply stuck with U.S. oil companies, he and his sons would still be in contorl in Iraq.

      "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

      by Superpole on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 06:30:04 AM PST

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      •  All true, every word of what you say! (2+ / 0-)
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        Superpole, jimstaro

        Not saying Saddam wasn't a bad man, that is what made him bad to the life-sucking Cheney, esp.
        But for US idiots, it was all boiled down to, "He tried to kill muh Daaaad," reminding me of Belushi giving the litany of excuses to Jamie Lee in Blues Bros.
        But there was nothing in the plan to maintain the secular authoritarianism that Saddam exercised where Christians had only minor(?) problems, idk, but I know they practiced and AlQ was verboten! There was no plan, period.
        That's why I used bu$hit's most cynical "reason."

        MR PRESIDENT: $11 billion per month spent here at home would solve...
        EVERYTHING.

        by OleHippieChick on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 08:09:20 AM PST

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        •  They Knew (2+ / 0-)
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          Superpole, OleHippieChick

          Who and what Saddam was when he came on the CIA payroll and they helped elevate him to power in a coup, he was a brutal street thug but in the ruling class family!

          The rest is the history of who we support and Not for any Freedoms and Democracy ideals, especially in that region!

          Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

          by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 08:23:38 AM PST

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          •  Hasn't most CIA "work" bitten us in the azz (1+ / 0-)
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            in the end? What's the use of these people with their idiotic "plans"? They never actually plan anything ahead; they rent their stovepiping seers who say it'll allll work, and pure ignorance is revered as gold. It's effing insulting to us and the world.
            Then, Blowback R Them, Wallets R Us, Death From Above, the Family Bidness.
            Of course they knew. They ask our people to fight for their country but it's for the corporations. If that's not common knowledge by now, it should be.

            MR PRESIDENT: $11 billion per month spent here at home would solve...
            EVERYTHING.

            by OleHippieChick on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 08:42:28 AM PST

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          •  "He Was a Thug, But He Was Our (0+ / 0-)

            thug"... and BTW, this is the sort of "foreign policy" clownservatives think is clever and great.. and it's obviously what they had in place in Iran, until the people there rose up and kicked the puppet out.

            that's one reason Iran is still considered a huge 'threat'.

            "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

            by Superpole on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 06:52:46 AM PST

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  •  I had a discussion with my 9-year old daughter... (3+ / 0-)

    regarding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan about a week ago.

    She initiated the conversation by asking:

    Why are people dying over there?

    I explained what the word invaded meant, that we had invaded those countries, and the reasons we were given as citizens for the invasions.

    Her response?

    I would be scared every day if someone drove tanks down my street

    She then stared out the window for the better part of an hour, despite my assuring her that tanks weren't coming any time soon.

    I have to confess, during a moment of reflection later that evening I broke into tears thinking about my daughter's reaction and the fear children in these countries must have each and every day. Each day we remain an occupying force in Iraq and Afghanistan is a crime against humanity, in my humble estimation.

    If President Obama didn't intend to lead, he shouldn't have applied for the job.

    by APA Guy on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:37:15 AM PST

    •  All (2+ / 0-)

      Those who try, and fail over and over, to be responsible adults as we aged hoping to better the world for the little ones had the ones to come have completely failed!

      I think about what we're leaving behind and what was once built for us, not perfect, never will be, but allot of hard work preceded us, we threw it all away!!

      Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

      by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:42:12 AM PST

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  •  There's been little thought to the consequences (3+ / 0-)

    of the rhetoric coming from within our country that fostered this destruction.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:38:07 AM PST

    •  And That (3+ / 0-)

      Continues unabated, while not labeling those within as same.

      The rise of hate and fear has taken us down, how far will we fall is anyone's guess, some have found to reap their own terror for what they perceive as being persecuted, only in their own minds, easier then taking responsibility for what they've done to themselves and others!

      Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

      by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 05:46:27 AM PST

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  •  Some here will remember Riverbend (2+ / 0-)
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    BOHICA, jimstaro

    and her sad but beautifully written dispatches from Iraq during the war. The following quote was from one of her last, dated 26 April 2007.

    I've often wondered what became of her and her family.

    I always hear the Iraqi pro-war crowd interviewed on television from foreign capitals (they can only appear on television from the safety of foreign capitals because I defy anyone to be publicly pro-war in Iraq). They refuse to believe that their religiously inclined, sectarian political parties fueled this whole Sunni/Shia conflict. They refuse to acknowledge that this situation is a direct result of the war and occupation. They go on and on about Iraq's history and how Sunnis and Shia were always in conflict and I hate that. I hate that a handful of expats who haven't been to the country in decades pretend to know more about it than people actually living there.

    I remember Baghdad before the war - one could live anywhere. We didn't know what our neighbors were - we didn't care. No one asked about religion or sect. No one bothered with what was considered a trivial topic: are you Sunni or Shia? You only asked something like that if you were uncouth and backward. Our lives revolve around it now. Our existence depends on hiding it or highlighting it- depending on the group of masked men who stop you or raid your home in the middle of the night.

    On a personal note, we've finally decided to leave. I guess I've known we would be leaving for a while now. We discussed it as a family dozens of times. At first, someone would suggest it tentatively because, it was just a preposterous idea- leaving ones home and extended family - leaving ones country- and to what? To where?

    Baghdad Burning

    strong economies have strong currencies, weak economies have weak currencies

    by truong son traveler on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 06:11:23 AM PST

    •  I Still Wonder (2+ / 0-)
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      BOHICA, truong son traveler

      What became of her, even going into refugee status, outside her country, she still hasn't come forward, shows the effect what happened had not only on her, if she survived.

      Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

      by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 06:16:57 AM PST

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    •  nt (2+ / 0-)
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      truong son traveler, jimstaro

      I always hear the Iraqi pro-war crowd interviewed on television from foreign capitals (they can only appear on television from the safety of foreign capitals because I defy anyone to be publicly pro-war in Iraq)

      Desiderius Erasmus, once said: "War is delightful to those who have no experience in it".

      "Pardon me, I've got something sanctimonious to do." The Rude Pundit

      by BOHICA on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 07:00:14 AM PST

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  •  The Irony (1+ / 0-)
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    US trauma treatment center assists Iraqi refugees

    Dec 23, 2010 - Ekhlas Gorgees kept her composure as she recounted the horrific traumas she and her family endured in Iraq.

    She calmly recalled how her husband was severely wounded after a bomb exploded outside of his Baghdad plumbing shop, how she was threatened at gunpoint while walking home from church and how her family tried to escape north to the city of Mosul just before a bloody attack on civilians sent them fleeing back to the capital. It wasn't until later when she talked about the difficulty of leaving her homeland that the tears came.

    "We are the native people of Iraq - it's hard for us to leave our native country," she said through an interpreter. "The hope - even now - is to go back to my country."

    Such stories are told with increasing regularity in the Detroit suburb of Sterling Heights, the center of a growing population of refugees who fled the war in Iraq and home to a new facility for refugee victims of post-traumatic stress, torture and other war trauma. The center, run by the nonprofit Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services, has become a hub for healing as thousands of Iraqis, both Christian and Muslim, try to put their lives back together.

    Lead therapist Husam Abdulkhaleq said the conflicts in Iraq affect new and old clients alike, regardless of ethnic or religious background. And because many were persecuted because of who they are, resettling alone doesn't solve their problems. They continue to struggle with insomnia, depression and anxiety, he said. {continued}

    Women say 7,000 a day, Men 2000plus, little sarah at around 28,000 w/no common sense nor idea's!

    by jimstaro on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 06:14:57 AM PST

  •  Just another Rich Man's War (1+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro

    "Pardon me, I've got something sanctimonious to do." The Rude Pundit

    by BOHICA on Sat Dec 25, 2010 at 07:04:28 AM PST

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