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Xxdr's story of the The Holy Man at the Grocery Checkout & the 100th Monkeyprovided a way to share some life lessons I was unable to figure out prior, but wanting to with all my heart.  Thank you Xxdr Zombiexx!  

And good timing!  Just in time for the Giving Season.  So, with courage I lay the gift of my heart and soul beneath this Universal Tree for all the world to see.

That's how Universal Consciousness works, by the way.

Universal Consciousness

Who will be the 100th Monkey in 2011?  We could probably use a million or so.

Dear xxdr zombiexx (is this pronounced shder zombiesh?):

This is offered for you from this aging crone who desires nothing more than to share some of her journey hoping it might shed some helpful understanding of the Dreadlocked Sage at your wonderful hippie market.  I have wanted to share this for a long time, but didn't quite know how.

Your WONDERFUL DIARY provided the direction.  Thank you!

I read the 100th Monkey (a 1970s study, read in the 1970s) which now seems like 100 years ago.

Here's what the book was about.  Btw, this is the only honest summation I found on "teh internet" (noticing a bit of a tear down in quality lately, btw. Sad. Good news.  Principles can't be eradicated, which is what this blither is about).  

I highly recommend reading this article.

And this article was written in 1999!  Just before BushCo dealt the world, our country, democracy, and the rule of law a near fatal blow.

The author must have been psychic.  But wait!  The Indiana Dreadlock Sage knows a few things that can help us all.  More after the quote:

Special interests will always exist while addressing global concerns, but should have no power to abuse guarantees that ensure life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness  ...  

To operate in such a framework requires a global intent based on common awareness.

It requires the phenomena of the 100th monkey to take hold. When, on remote islands, one island of monkeys was taught by human beings to use a stick for opening coconuts, the ease of obtaining food increased. Squabbling and social disruption decreased. More amazingly, at a certain number of more knowledgeable monkeys, say the 100th, monkeys on the surrounding islands developed the technique spontaneously.  (Keep in mind, the monkeys observed using the new technique on other remote islands had no way of contact with the monkeys on the island that were trained by humans.  The collective knowledge of the island of trained monkeys was transferred globally.  I call it, as do others, Universal Consciousness*, my insertion here.)

We have not reached that mark on world cooperation. Too many of us are still swinging through trees paying attention only to the exhilaration. Too many are desperate for enough food. Others are still intent on having all of the nuts.

Disclosure: I spent over a decade as a member of an Ashram, the world having lost it's glitter for me at the ripe age of 26 (long story).

But the behavior of Corporate America, for which I served in a Management capacity, was partially to blame as well as an incredibly mind/heart altering, life changing, and completely randomly offered "Spiritual Experience".  

I refer to the experience as "God tapped me on the shoulder and said 'Pretend you are 80 and looking back, what would you change'.  I guess you would have to have been there.

Anyway, I quit corporate America, spent a year as  galley cook in the Bahamas, came back to the city, gave away my earthly possessions, and became an Ashram monkette (they never saw the humor in my feminizing the term 'monk').

Shared because these decisions permanently altered my outlook on life in many good ways, albeit socially challenging ways.  

I learned that there are Universal Laws/principles.  Up precedes down.  There is no way of avoiding life's ups and downs.  It's delusional to think otherwise.

I have found that there is little patience in the world for child-like altruism, which is, more often than not, perceived as socially awkwardness and or intellectual ignorance.  

I joke that I have 'social tourrettes syndrome' as good intentions are often irritating to others, or so it seems.  Sigh!  So, transcendence** has become very helpful, but not without a price.  We live in a world of duality.

That said, and the book 100th Monkey proved, there are principles that were learned by the scientists that can't be measured by them.

Principles are Truths that don't change over time regardless of tribal differences.  They are universal.

*1.   There is a Universal Consciousness.  It can be 'tapped into'.  We call it inspiration.  When we use it to ask for something, it provides.  When this happens, some call it a miracle.  I call it principle.  When we ask, we can receive.  Worthiness isn't part of the equation, but feelings of lack of worthiness is a huge impediment for too many people.  I say "We are, therefore we are worthy."

And it can be transmitted if there are either enough people working together to do so (the 100th Monkey) or enough energy/concentration by a truly dedicated person or group with the intent to do so.  Some call this 'prayer'.  

Others call it power.  It can be used for both good and evil, sadly.  

I picture it as a stratosphere.  It's there for us to use, but we have to put in some effort to either receive from it, or to affect it.  It's malleable, to a point, and for lack of a better word.

Here's one of my daft rhymes to demonstrate:


We are each uninotes of the Universe
We are here, on earth, to rehearse.
What will be our collective uni-verse?

This would be a good song for us all to sing, in our hearts, day and night:

**2.  Transcendence: In short, meaning to 'rise above'.  In fact, really, really difficult to do.  

In theory, if we muster up enough grit, we don't have to wallow in the pain, suffering, and insanity of the world within and around us.  It is helpful to achieve a modicum of this transcendence ability.  If we ask, the Universal Consciousness will help us.  Regardless of our self-imposed judgement of 'worthiness'.

Ask:  When a ball is thrown up in the air by either the holy man or the murderer, what is the outcome?

Desire impacts the interaction with the Universal Consciousness (you can ponder this for quite a while, btw).  The old addage, "be careful for what you ask" comes to mind.

However, if one dedicates all energy to this goal of Transcendence, it can become a bane instead of a boon because it can become too 'self-focused' and/or selfish, imo. (the yogis who bury themselves in ant hills in order to transcend the flesh comes to mind).  Siddhartha tried them all.  

In the end, the second Siddhartha let go of his selfish desire to achieve nirvana and tossed himself into the Ganges, he achieved his goal.

Remember, Siddhartha (later to be knows as the Buddha*) was a wealthy pampered Prince of status that, when confronted w/the suffering of those outside his protective Palace, was heartbroken.  Their pain became his pain.  He was overcome by empathy and a desire to help others.  He wanted to overcome suffering and help others to do the same.  

The phrase "Let Go and Let God" comes to mind.  Or, for those who choose to not believe in a God, Let Go and connect with the Universal Consciousness of Love and Selflessness.  

Either way, become the kinetic conduit of Universal Love/Consciousness:  This is nirvana or higher consciousness.  

We, or our "I" have to 'step aside' for this to happen and here lies the challenge.  

And here I will insert one of my first daft rhymes, written by the Ashram monkette:

Goodbye My "I"  by Sonja

A friend of mine, let's call her "I"
Once laid down and proceeded to die.
Too weak to rise, no strength of her own.
All peace, all solace, no need for a home.
She will be missed, these tears say to me.
She tried to be fair, while working to be free.
"Freedom, she said, is not of this earth
A fact you've known since the moment of birth
And forgotten."

Acknowledging there is a Power than can help us, whether it is called Universal Consciousness or God, that is outside of us and requires us to seek it and ask for something/somehelp, is just too much of an ego abasing stretch of imagination for so many, especially the "intellectuals".  Well, the greatest intellectuals I have had the pleasure of interacting with understand these Time Honored Principles.

Some call it "Faith".  Some call it "Luck".  I call it 'the courage of a healthy ego" to be able to acknowledge and ask for outside help.

But only if the desired goal serves goodness.  If the desire is to enrich the self with power, I call it selfish and destructive.  Some would call it 'evil'.

Either way, the energy spent debating might be better spent uniting in purpose and asking, thereby creating the better world most of us seek.

Wholesome transcendence is a delicate balance, much more easily attained especially if there is a goal towards an 'outer achievement and intent' to do good for others:  reasonable selflessness.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE:  All good principles have their dark alternatives, as we can now see operating in our world.  Sadly, those who seek power and attain it do so all too often by tapping into the Universal Consciousness' dark energy alternatives.


  1.  Can the roadblocks of belief in the above be overcome sufficiently as individuals first, so that the road to working collectively can be opened?

May I share that there are two roadblocks for most of us that keep us from the great gifts that are ours to claim.  They are:

Not feeling 'good enough' or unworthy; and
Not feeling 'loveable' or worthy of the Universal Consciousness' attention/fulfillment of our 'asks'.

Bollocks: Those are the two most destructive questions to our progress.  And the negative impact on our peace and happiness too destructive to even entertain them.  

We are set up from the moment of birth to have these two questions block our potential and fulfillment.  We simply have to transcend them.  Let them go.  Get over feeling 'less than'.  

If not, you are simply giving away your power, which is vested in your ability to transcend feeling 'less than/not good enough/not loveable'.  

THINK:  Aren't those using the Principles destructively, doing everything in their power to foster these negative feelings?

Oh, yes they are.  And they keep succeeding because the true principles of power are hidden in divisive tactics like religion, beauty, and material wealth.

Well, I am here to tell you that

YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL, just as you are.

YOU ARE A MIRACULOUS UNI-NOTE, and are no less worthy than others.***

And the world needs you, just as you are.

However, it needs you to

First, know your greatness (no one is better or worse than you, just at different stages of learning.  Is a senior in high school better than a kindergartner?  No, just more learned);

Second:  Dare to Ask.  Believe and find your courage to ask; and

Third:  Join others to create The Verse needed to save this planet and it's people from the present trajectory that is being led by those who know the principles, but are, in the wisdom of the lady in front of the school in the movie Mr. Mom, are DOING IT WRONG.

If I haven't learned anything else, I have learned that the Universal Consciousness or God provides when we ask AND do all we can do IF we keep our hearts, minds, and eyes open.

A ball falls back to the ground, regardless of who tosses it into the air.


Can the 'cat herd' put aside all the contrariness, decide on a common goal, dare to believe, and ask for help from the Universal Consciousness, and then once enough of that power is attained AND we become focused like a laser beam on on issue (perhaps proper health care for all worldwide), use our collective power to change the Universal Consciousness sufficiently to unseat the powers of those who are, quite frankly, doing so IN THE WRONG WAY?  To overpower their harmful use of the collective Universal Consciousness?

***There are some less palatable principles that can help or deter from our success.  Clean living is helpful.  Clean mental, physical, and emotional living.  These can be achieved by asking, as well.  We all have things to overcome.  It's human!

Some call living poorly SIN.

In closing, yet one more daft rhyme:

S.I.N. The Acronym

S incere
I  integrity
N  egated

Tomorrow, we will become the person we decide we are today.

We will make mistakes everyday.  Let yourself and others be a new person every morning.  Think "Groundhog Day".  Let go of blame, admit mistakes, brush it off and be new.  It's Good Morning, not Good Mourning!


Peace, the true goal of humanity, not happiness.

I am greatly thankful for spellcheck.

Now, let's create Policy Check, to keep them from drifting further away from good and Universal Principles.

Originally posted to War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:03 AM PST.


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    •  This took courage to share. (11+ / 0-)

      Please share your thoughts, as it's a bit disconcerting to be out here alone on this limb.

      : }

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:16:53 AM PST

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      •  So far, gratitude. (9+ / 0-)

        I have been reading you for awhile, and I am on my own path of discovery which has been difficult to say the least.

        Some of what you write I have already discovered, but discovering it and owning it are two very different things. So thank you from the bottom of my self for sharing this.

        •  You are on the correct path, Renee, imo (6+ / 0-)

          This is the truth organized religions don't want us to know.

          And I have been a member of most of them on my quest for Truth.

          Thank you for commenting!  It's not so scary out on the limb thanks to your generousity.

          I believe we are born with all knowledge, scrambled like eggs in the frying pan of hyperactivity, and then have to spend our entire adulthood


          Getting back that which we knew, and were taught to forget by the scrambled adults around us.

          It's sounds like you are well on the the path to re-member who and what you really are.  And, Renee, you are perfect.

          Ask, and your answers will be found under the muddied shroud the power crowd hopes we can't remove.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:27:26 AM PST

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          •  That said, Renee (2+ / 0-)
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            Renee, cotterperson

            I do believe in God the Father and consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.  It works for me.  I have found some Truths in all religions as well.  But not of the ilk proffered by Churches who seem more intent on being right than doing right.

            Then again, I was raised in a Catholic orphanage until the age of three.  I was a mini-nun of sorts, and my wardrobe still consists of mostly black and white.

            We do each need to find our own rock.

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:55:05 AM PST

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            •  I'm glad you found your spiritual path. (2+ / 0-)
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              I have seen truth in lots of places, and I have my difficulties with many people who call themselves Christian. But I have great admiration for the person Jesus seems to have been.

            •  You might be a Bahai (1+ / 0-)
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              without knowing it.

              Try these on for size:

              Light is light.  Accept it regardless the source.

              Men and women are the two wings of the same dove.

              Truth is singular.  Whenever science and religion are in conflict, one of them must yield.

              Every [wo]man has the responsibility to investigate truth on his own.

              All religion has the same source.  Religions begin to become corrupted when humans accept human authority in religion.

              Spiritual refreshment comes to the world like seasons.  The rose that blooms this year is the same rose that bloomed last, despite its difference in appearance, placement and size.

              The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not the knowledge of thy neighbour. Ponder this in thy heart how it behoveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.

              Only the last is a direct quotation.  The preceding are paraphrased by me.

              I'm not a good Bahai.  I don't go to the meetings and fail in many ways as a follower of the faith.  But this religion has spoken to me with more directness than any other.

              Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

              by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 08:24:29 AM PST

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              •  This is very interesting. (1+ / 0-)
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                Yes, I resonate with what you have shared.  Thank you for doing so.  I will take some time to read more.  I love to find the kernels of truth within the religions, and am heartened that most have some of the most important:  Love One Another, Care for the Needy, etc.  I just wish they would all stop arguing over which one is true or not and live in harmony, and take money out of their equation.

                I must add, however, that perhaps you have become a perfect Bahai.  I say this because if you achieve the goals set in the teachings above by washing away the impediments of Universal Connectivity, the meetings are not required, except for the purpose of showing up to help others struggling to achieve their personal connection.  I think meetings can be more about being their for others than going there to get something.  Of course, if the meeting is more about dictating behavior in order to cookie cut the members, that's kind of a waste of time.

                Authenticity would be preferred.  The freedom to question and share personal successes and failures on the path might be more helpful.  Not so sure humanity has progressed to this point.  Certainly most religions haven't.  Shunning still exists in all of them, for those who dare to question.

                Perfection according to dogma and directives can be misunderstood, in my opinion.  How we outwardly comply with a religions rules and behavior can't guarantee the needed change of heart, a phrase that can help describe the process.

                It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 08:42:40 AM PST

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                •  Yes, that is the essence of the faith; (1+ / 0-)
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                  that all religions have one source, and their commonalities are where we can find truth.  Yet the greatest source of truth comes from within, from the place in you wherein God resides.  ("The Kingdom of God is within you.")

                  The overarching message of the Bahai faith is that humanity must and will unite.  We can help, we can make it easier on ourselves by helping, but it is God's hand moving to bring it about.

                  This, and all this about racial and sexual equality and human unity emanated from Baha'u'llah, a man in 1800's Persia who spent most of his adult life in the most abominable prisons on the earth.  An unlikely source for feminism, eh?

                  A huge emphasis on universal education.  The human mind is God's gift, it must be treasured.

                  We are not allowed to proselytize.  We can offer information, but if it is rejected we cannot pursue further.

                  It is illegal to be Bahai in modern day Iran.

                  Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

                  by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:49:17 AM PST

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                  •  This sounds very much like Vedanta (1+ / 0-)
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                    The ashram I joined was Vedanta, Truth is One, Many Call it By Different Names.

                    We were not allowed to argue that one way was better than the other.  Each was free to find their own path of devotion.

                    There are many similarities to Bahai from what you have shared.

                    There is are sister centers in La Crescenta, CA and Cohasset, MA.

                    They were started by Paramananda.  His writings are beautifully devotional.  I would like to reconnect with devotion, the heart connection.  I am a bit stuck in the intellect these days.  New Years resolution:  Include daily devotional exercise.

                    You have helped me greatly.  Thank you!

                    Education doesn't teach to the whole person, sadly.  And we wonder why children grow up confused and disconnected!  So, would Universal Education include body, mind, heart, and soul?

                    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                    by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:57:12 AM PST

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                    •  Good point about education. (0+ / 0-)

                      I don't recall any direct writings about a more whole education in the Bahai scriptures.  But since the faith places God at the center of all things, one could infer a more spiritual approach to education would come about.

                      I'm off to look up Paramananda!

                      Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

                      by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 10:50:54 AM PST

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                      •  This Paramanada, btw. (0+ / 0-)

                        His niece, Gayatri Devi, was the guru when I was w/Vedanta for 13 years.


                        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                        by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 11:10:17 AM PST

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                        •  This is a better site. The source. (0+ / 0-)

                          His Ashrams are still up and running.


                          There are a lot of free things you can read here.

                          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                          by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 11:12:01 AM PST

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                          •  The books seem to be cheaper to buy, new (0+ / 0-)

                            directly from Vedanta.

                            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                            by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 11:14:15 AM PST

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                          •  Personally, I love the Book of Daily Thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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                            and Prayers.


                            Here's todays:

                            December 27th

                            Salient Thought for the Day.

                            Man becomes his own redeemer when he turns within.

                            Lines to Memorize.

                            The warring sea of life hath torn my garment in its wild fury;

                            It tossed me by its mighty waves into a whirlpool of despair;

                            But Thy thread of love like a life-line fell over me.

                            Wind Thou this single thread of love all about me;

                            I need no other shielding for my life.


                            Even God cannot help us, a Saviour cannot save us, unless we are awakened and willing. If One should come with all the power of healing and restoring, who will receive that One but those who are awakened? That is why great teachers tell us again and again that riches, perfect health or happiness can have no lasting quality unless they are based on our soul-heritage within.


                            0 Thou Infinite and All-wise Being,

                            Awaken in me a consciousness of Thy unbounded love.

                            Thy love is the redeeming power in my soul,

                            May I be fortified by Thy love;

                            And may I carry Thy love into the world.

                            Thou art the Embodiment of all blessedness.

                            Bestow upon me Thy loving blessing

                            And enfold me in Thy abiding peace.

                            Gosh, I need to reconnect here, I think.  I left because I couldn't bite my tongue when Jesus was referred to as "one of the many great teachers".  He is more to me than that.  And the ONE rule, don't argue about which is better or right, couldn't be abided by this child, raised by nuns, who greeted the statues in the Chapel every day as a toddler to say "Good Mornin, Taka Har (Sacred Heart)", "Good mornin, Dod", Mornin Mar", or so the nun who watched me told me recently.

                            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                            by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22:32 AM PST

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                          •  Thanks, WoE for the links (1+ / 0-)
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                            It's very nice to meet this spiritual side of you.  You had already earned my admiration with all your work on the economic issues.

                            Those are some beautiful prayers. I offer this, my favorite:

                            Create in me a pure heart...

                            Create in me a pure heart, O my God, and renew a tranquil conscience within me, O my Hope!  Through the spirit of power confirm Thou me in Thy Cause, O my Best-Beloved, and by the light of Thy glory reveal unto me Thy path, O Thou the Goal of my desire!  Through the power of Thy transcendent might lift me up unto the heaven of Thy holiness, O Source of my being, and by the breezes of Thine eternity gladden me, O Thou Who art my God!  Let Thine everlasting melodies breathe tranquillity on me, O my Companion, and let the riches of Thine ancient countenance deliver me from all except Thee, O my Master, and let the tidings of the revelation of Thine incorruptible Essence bring me joy, O Thou Who art the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden!


                            Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

                            by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 12:24:29 PM PST

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                          •  Very beautiful and devotional. (1+ / 0-)
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                            I will copy and save.  Thank you so much.

                            Of the four paths, my Spirit is mostly touched by such devotion.  I walked away from this (tears swelling at the realization).  It's time to return some balance.  So, as with all efforts to give, it seems my Soul will receive some comfort.  I love the Universal Laws and Principles!

                            Thank you so much.  I hope we can continue to share throughout the upcoming year, Gustogirl.

                            Deep in my heart, I feel an urgency to help people connect to their inner strength, to help them through the changes that might be in store.

                            For they may seek to trample us to dust,
                            They cannot trample that which we are.
                            They may strike at our dignity
                            But no blow can bruise the Dignity we are.

                            These thoughts quickly come to mind.  There is so much strength within each of us.  Knowing this can be such a comfort when times are tough.

                            I would truly enjoy some links that you prefer about Bahai.

                            Perhaps on a wider thread downstream.

                            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                            by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 01:24:42 PM PST

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          •  Thank you for saying. (4+ / 0-)

            One of the things i have always been passionate about is people finding themselves instead of leading the life we have been socialized to lead through school, church, family. I teach self defense classes, which are more empowerment classes really, because I don't care how skilled you are at physical defense, if you don't feel empowered to defend yourself you won't use the strikes effectively.

            And yet at the same time, coming out as gay in  my 40's has been a shattering experience. I'm learning that there are parts of myself I never even accessed, and I have discovered A LOT of shame.

            I liked the Groundhog Day approach. I wish we lived nearer to each other because I would buy you a cup of tea to thank you for offering your gifts so freely.

            •  Sipping my cup of cyber tea as well speak. (2+ / 0-)
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              I have always wanted to take self-defense classes.

              Tried karate once, and couldn't spar.  A mamby, pamby I guess.  Where do you teach?

              Can a 63 year old, in pretty good shape, person learn to defend against attackers?

              Sadly, Renee, shame is a worthy weapon used by both ourselves and others to 'keep us down'.

              It can't exist without our training to feel shame.

              I am not gay, but had to overcome sack loads of shame having been raised by nuns and uber Catholics.  The world seemed to have conspired to have me believe I was 'not ok'.  But I refused to believe others and even my own negative judgements of me.  

              We will all leave this dust behind and return to our true Being, which is glorious.  This is the wrung in the ladder I use to transcend negative judgement.  Well, it works for me.

              Our sexual preference is such a teensy part of who we are, imo.   It's an expression, not a foundational block.  The media would have us believe that our sexuality is a HUGE percent of who we are.  I have never seen my sexual preference or sexuality as that big a part of myself.  But perhaps I am not a good example, again having been raised by nuns.

              Shared with warmth and appreciation for you, Renee.  Hang in there.  We each have to only face ourselves each morning when we look in the mirror.  See your greatness.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:40:23 PM PST

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              •  To me, defending against attackers is about (2+ / 0-)
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                refusing to accept the story they are trying to tell you. Instead, you tell them the story about a 63 year old woman who wasn't going to be intimidated and who was going to be such a pain in the ass to rape that they get tired thinking about it. Attackers lose interest quickly if they think the prospective victim is not going to comply. And they also assess the potential victim's boundaries. What I want my students to know is that they need to practice setting boundaries with people every day and that will keep attackers disinterested in them.

                I teach in southern California. I seem to remember you are on the east coast somewhere.

                I'm not sure what I think about sexuality. I don't think it defines people. But we are sexual creatures, and imo our sexuality can't be denied. I think it leads to shadow behavior.

                I really appreciate your contributions here at DK, War on Error. I admire your generosity.

      •  This was really f*cking good (3+ / 0-)
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        Thank you so much for sharing this. It is a lot of food for thought for me. There does seem to be a change in attitude and a change in direction afoot. The new DK4 tools are going to make it so much easier to organize folks by issue and by geographic area. I am a little troubled by all the complaints I'm seeing about how we're all going to be turned into "followers". People seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how organizing works. What you said about our cat-herding problem and our contrariness is exactly what I'm seeing as well. I am dearly hoping that more practical modeling of organizing on DK4 will show people that "following" and taking part in a cause being organized by other folks is something cool and not something terrible.

        And hey - you are not out on a limb, there are a lot of like-minded folks that are holding you up.

        Unemployed? See my Unemployment Chronicles for resources and advice.

        by tmo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:27:41 PM PST

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        •  Thanks, tmo. (3+ / 0-)
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          Cat herding

          How about


          We are each a force, with power as depicted in the diary.

          Collectively we can accomplish much.

          This is what I have experienced and where I see the problem:

          There is too much willingness to 'take offense' where none was intended.



          Well, not machines, but it's a catchy phrase.

          We put meaning on everything others say and do, often when none was never intended, much less evilly intended.

          Why are progressives so thin skinned?  So willing to take offense and walk away from groups?

          Answer this, and perhaps our ability to work together, to join forces, can be resolved.

          Thank you so much for your kind words.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:46:12 PM PST

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          •  We CREATE meaning in interaction, (3+ / 0-)
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            or so I was taught in interpersonal communication class. There's a great deal of truth in that, but we're also being bombarded with one-way messages. The operate to our detriment by dividing us when we need to stay connected.

            OTOH, we do make meaning in our exchanges here. We offer an idea, it's validated, modified, discussed, and modified again as we learn more. Does it cause the same connection as spoken language (I posted more below)? If it engages our brains, neural activity will occur. Perhaps it will connect us in ways that science has gotten around to yet.

            Hey, thanks for getting me thinking. I like it ;)

            •  I am a strong proponent of the written word. (3+ / 0-)
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              Because it can be reread.

              How words occur are as diverse as there are readers.

              I can't fully express my appreciation for the uniqueness of each person.  Honoring that, while asking each to join in a common goal in whatever capacity that will benefit the group effort is a key to building a movement.

              Again, true principles are the cement that each knows intrinsically to be true.  We can bring our uniqueness to a true principle with ease.

              Here's one:

              It is wrong for people to starve to death.

              Off the top of my head.  If we agree to this principle, we will work with less dissonance to make sure that no one starves to death.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:30:59 PM PST

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            •  You are welcome. Ditto! (2+ / 0-)
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              Thanks for getting me thinking.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:34:19 PM PST

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  •  I think the difficulty is in settling down to one (8+ / 0-)


    The goal I have been writing about lately is forming a movement. Something that is larger than a party, and vocal about the fact that our country's laws (enacted by people WE elect) benefit only a small percentage of our citizens. A movement that INSISTS that our laws benefit the largest number of citizens possible.

    I have been talking to people, and this resonates with most of the people I have talked to. I'm holding space for others to climb aboard my movement train, just as I have climbed aboard the train that others started.

    •  Do tell? (4+ / 0-)

      If the goal(s) are universal principles, people will resonate unless their are so ego bound and selfish they see the Principles as stumbling blocks to their power and gain.  I call these people insane, btw.

      Here's one:

      When we lift one, we lift all.

      Picture a pure, white table cloth on a table.

      Pinch the center of the table cloth and lift what.

      Notice what happens.

      What if each progressive group picked one family in each city to lift up?

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:35:02 AM PST

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      •  theosophists (5+ / 0-)

        I have heard a group of theosophists lately talking about the same thing -- a Peoples' Party -- they have been very active in promoting the Charter for Compassion.

        But then in the last twenty years there have been a number of people who've come forward with suggestions about a spiritual political movement.  Tikkun's Michael Lerner (Global Marshall Plan), New Age Course in Miracles Marianne Williamson (The Healing of America, Corinne McLaughlin (Spiritual Politics).

        Perhaps now the time is right that these and other treatises may be used as a conceptual framework for political change. An infrastructure to hold us safe during chaotic cultural change might be Transition US which seems to be the outpicturing of such a blueprint for cooperation and safety.

        Find your own voice--the personal is political.

        by In her own Voice on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:10:03 PM PST

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        •  You might enjoy Swedenborg (4+ / 0-)

          Ran into his teaching a few decades ago.

          Most of all, he was convinced that the Bible describes a human's transformation from a materialistic to a spiritual being, which he calls rebirth or regeneration. He begins this work by outlining how the creation myth was not an account of the creation of Earth, but an account of man's rebirth or regeneration in six steps represented by the six days of creation. Everything related to mankind in the Bible could also be related to Jesus Christ, and how Christ freed himself from materialistic boundaries through the glorification of his human presence by making it Divine. Swedenborg examines this idea in his exposition of Genesis and Exodus.[55]

          Bottom line, though.  We each have our own rock.  In a giant leap of logic, simply excepting this is enough.  If there is reluctance to do so, then studying others paths is also helpful.

          In the end, we each wind up with our own belief system, unique to our uniqueness.

          But no belief is necessary to enjoy the power(s) of Universal Consciousness.  

          You don't have to believe in gravity for the ball to drop back down after you toss it up.

          Your belief in your ability to catch the ball will affect whether or not you do, however.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:53:15 PM PST

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        •  Hi, inw voice. (2+ / 0-)
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          You have a host of knowledge of different philosophies.

          Perhaps we can work together here on dk4 to help others 'fast track' their enlightenment so the cat herd can work together more efficiently?

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:36:41 PM PST

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          •  definitely an area of interest (2+ / 0-)
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            Thanks for the compliment, WoE.  It is definitely an area of interest for me that is also becoming a passion, though it is broader for me than spiritual.  For me it is also environmental, eco-political, and energy related.  Social and environmental injustice that needs to be acknowledged and reworked with humanitarian values -- spiritual values, the simplest of which is the Golden Rule!

            I'm afraid that my spiritual search has taken me too far outside the box for me to bring here the thoughts I've entertained.  I'm one to consider all possibilities, but stay with presenting what is practical and may actually stick with a few more "conservative" minds.

            I found in my work, you have to start where the people are and move little by little out towards the edge of their comfort level for them to trust you aren't pushing them off the cliff into the chasm where monsters dwell!

            I support you in your boldness, but must confess I'm a little more careful about putting myself out there in the spiritual/religious category.  Let me know when you are publishing and I'll come in for comments though!

            I'm going to be at the anti-capitalist discussion Jan 5th for a diary by NY brit expat.  Do you dare throw in some of your thoughts there?

            Find your own voice--the personal is political.

            by In her own Voice on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:59:03 PM PST

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              And I want to impart my belief that each person has to do some work to find their own what I call "rock" or "foundation".

              I wonder if the reason so many are turned off to what others believe (or have concluded is true for themselves) is because, deep in their true understanding, they know they have to find their own, and chafe a bit if they are asked to agree with someone else's foundation?

              And that the reason many are frustrated with, some even hate, others that don't agree with their version of their rock or foundation, is because they are insecure and/or unsure still, so they seek others to stand on their incomplete foundation as validation so they won't have to keep working on building their foundation.

              Anyway, I am personally fascinated to learn of others journeys and conclusions, feeling neither coerced or at odds with another's rock/foundation.

              Who is anyone to tell another that their foundation is cracked?

              I am not naive, however.  I know that sharing our foundational beliefs invites ridicule and even hate, at the extreme.  Oh well.  What is the purpose of all the chisel marks (scars) if not to present the finished sculpture to the world?

              Out of shear delight in the discussion, I would like to address this quote:

              I found in my work, you have to start where the people are and move little by little out towards the edge of their comfort level for them to trust you aren't pushing them off the cliff into the chasm where monsters dwell!

              Perhaps, instead of feeling taught if they could feel warmth from the words used to intimately share our journey through the gauntlet it could be a bit less intimating?

              Also, and this is a stretch for so many today as we have all been conditioned to stand in judgement of others, if we could truly see others as perfect (picture them as infants if necessary), just as they are:  an unfinished, perfect work of art in process, instead of a project for adjustment.

              I have a sense, and I could be wrong, that if we shared openly with others, with no intent of indoctrinating them to our way of thinking, that the world could be a safer place to be authentic.

              Religions have a bad history to date.  

              Why can't they be happy to just be they places for devotional expression for those who feel benefited by the devotion and the fellowship.  Why do they have to argue that their's is better than someone elses?

              Churches etc. could be used as centers for organizing; however, I see a problem with them being led by people who receive money for leading the group/religion.  How different would religions present themselves to the world, if all the 'leaders' were volunteers that received NO money and/or benefits?  Would their message to the people change?  Would there be such a huge religious competition if no money changed hands?

              Just some random thoughts.

              Anti-capitalists discussion.  Thank you for the invite.  To be honest, I'm not totally anti-capitalism, per se.

              I am a Sufficiency Capitalist.

              And perhaps a paranoid coward (snickering).  I don't want to be placed on the "anti-capitalist" list with NSA and HS.

              I am, however, anti-greed.  Perhaps the group could change it's name?

              Iho voice, I hope this comment is taken with the good spirit it was written.

              These are HUGE questions that have alluded (wo)mankind to date.

              But, being a hopeless optimist.  I think the right people are here now to make the leap.

              And we need a Consciousness Leap, right now.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 03:46:38 PM PST

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              •  Thanks for taking time (5+ / 0-)

                to share with me.  I believe this suggestion of yours -- for us, for me, to offer

                the finished sculpture to the world

                is what I find most difficult.  My spirituality has always been a work in progress which is a central reason for me having a hard time putting it in writing -- what I believe.  It is always shifting and changing with each new experience, with each new encounter, with each additional insight.  And I'm really very eclectic.  I have no problem expressing myself in a heartfelt way, or even in what I am tuned into for the moment. I have a hard time being pinned down to a certain belief, religion or dogma.  I like free-floating into what calls me in the moment to greater heights of spiritual awareness and evolution. I guess I have a fairly gnostic approach--perhaps a neo-gnostic approach if that is even a category.  I also have a bit of the indigenous and eco/earth spirituality that brings my body/emotional piece into my experience -- a trance-like between worlds experience.  I'll give you an example of something I wrote while tuning into the FM (full moon) of October with Dia de los Muertos fast approaching.  It's a little long for a comment, but oh, well:

                The full moon was high in the sky last night before I looked up. It was already small and unremarkable, like an old Indian-head nickel pulled out from my lock-box and held in the palm of my hand. I feel the full moon's power so much more when it is rising and bulges a radiant golden-white on the horizon.

                Last night's warrior moon hanging at a critical degree has undergone the change and moved onto new ground sitting opposite a Sun, Venus, Mercury triplicity -- powers, lights, hidden in the deep, instinctual wisdom of Scorpio.  Could each of us represent one of these--the one in three, the three in one?  Shall we gather tonight with the intention of finding within our dark interiors, the hidden light that is the purest, most powerful and cogent expression of ourselves?  Shall we harvest that gem from the bowels of the earth we are, and bring its gleaming into the full moon's light, disseminating its unique ray of spectral wisdom for the world to see?  And further, as the earth moves towards dawn and the Sun, shall we offer its many facets to the light of day where its sparkling radiance may spin the story of our future into being? (A story in which we create together with our sisters and brothers, the best of all worlds?)

                This is the season of the great dying, the dying of the old world, the old ways.  We are witnessing its Fall-ing away like the small yellow leaves that loft and drift off the trees outside my window towards a new ground of being.  We are all like ghosts, now, of our old selves, drifting in the unpredictable Autumn winds of the in-between.  We are seeking the truth, the resonance that gathers the new Self into a force of being.  Might we hear the whispers of our ancestors, those who have gone before us, being carried on these inner winds of change?  Let us listen for their seemingly lost language of wisdom, and not forget that we may also hear the voices of our future kin riding on the waves of sound in this ocean where we sail, between and beyond the bounds of time and space.

                Let us bring tonight some intention, desire, and an object representing it, to place on the central altar for our deepest inner purpose to be revealed--the purpose which will release our long-entangled souls into an individuated joy.  And may we trust that this singular act will have great power of good within the Whole that is seeking its own release from limitations self-imposed.

                Bring the food of change, change of the seasons; red wine--the blood of our genes transformed; symbols and colors of the season--leaves, colored candles--fruits of life, death, and rebirth.  We'll send the roots of our personal trees of life deep into the ground, sway with the winds of change, chant the old words, raise the cone of power that holds us between worlds, and call the wisdom up from the depths of the earth, the cosmic core, claiming it for ourselves, for our present, for our future.

                Find your own voice--the personal is political.

                by In her own Voice on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 05:31:07 PM PST

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                •  What an incredible gift you have, and are! (3+ / 0-)
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                  I will cherish this, your sharing.

                  Ihw Voice, I hope many have a chance to read your writings.

                  Simply wonder-ful.  Authentic.  Poetic.  Freely expressed.

                  What you have written perfectly describes what is called the Spiritual Journey, in my humble opinion.  Prosaically, perfectly pensive, rooted in antiquity, modernity, and the future.  All.

                  I could go on and on about your talent.  I encourage you to keep writing and sharing.  It is the sharing that, like striking two pieces of flint, will create a sufficient spark of re-member-ance for others that could bring more light into their hearts.   Is there a greater gift?

                  And, because we do expand our understanding, are adrift on a mercurial river of inspiration, I think it is very important to keep a journal of sorts.  Mine is rhyme.  There is a free site where you can store your writings.  I think I have nearly 300 there.


                  If you haven't done so yet, I hope you will consider creating an online record.  It is the art we leave behind that leaves its mark, whether that be writings, paintings, or selfless acts of kindness.

                  Please let me know if you do, k?

                  We share the Not Here, Not There World.  The Not This, Not That.

                  Can we rewrite the Golden Rule?  I believe it was changed.

                  What we do unto others and Mother Earth, will be done to us.

                  Could this help people better understand how to act in their own best interests as well as those of others?

                  Again, thank you, thank you, thank you!

                  Seriously, your talent is up there with my favorite writer, B. Kingsolver.  

                  And your spiritual journey is both understood and appreciated.  I know such is earned with much labor and at a great expense.

                  Peace to you!

                  It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                  by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 06:07:12 PM PST

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                    Well, I am stunned at your enthusiasm, but I truly thank you.  What I write is so deeply personal sometimes, and I'm not always sure anyone is going to really "get" me, but I try to write in a way that allows people to get what comes to them out of my words.  I love the vague suggestiveness of prose and poetry that sets the mind a-wandering into the deep forest of its own unconscious.  There's always a rock, a flower, a bird, stream, or light-filtered glen that calls attention by its presence there and bring some new meaning to the inner experience.

                    I do have some blogspot sites but they are old and aren't organized well.  Also put one over at Open Salon, but I haven't been writing much lately as you can see, my last diary here was almost a year ago!  Wow, can't believe that.

                    Well, I've spent this last year in a social action phase, but I am feeling called (maybe b/c of the introspectiveness of Winter's dark time) to tune back inward, to facilitate a sacred circle in my home or practice, and to write again more regularly.

                    Appreciate your reference to B. Kingsolver.  I haven't explored much about her, but she sounds like someone who is on a path I can relate to.  Perhaps she will be one of my guides for a while.

                    Are you going to establish a "group" on the DK4 site?

                    Or do you mostly write on the DK Street Prophets?

                    Find your own voice--the personal is political.

                    by In her own Voice on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 07:02:17 PM PST

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                    •  Barbara Kingsolver's Lacuna (2+ / 0-)
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                      Just finishing this book.  A fascinating read in very many ways while weaving the histories of the US and Mexico.  Complex human nature study.  A wonderful respite from the news and politics, a banquet to be enjoyed while the wind, snow, and ice rattle the windows outside and tear back the curtains of past winters, revealing memories marching in decade form.

                      I believe Kingsolver has much to say, but does so in novel form, eloquently presented.  The Bean Trees, my first BK read, was pure entertainment.  We all deserve some, just dessert to lighten the load of our heavy thoughts and deep concerns for others and our planet.

                      I am much like a kite with no string and write here usually in response to a diary that inspires me, the comment often swelling into a diary, as it did today.    
                      I generally lack creative talent like you have, so most of my dk diaries include information on topics I feel strongly about, and include charts and tables:  MERS, The Housing Crime, Health Insurance, Poverty, Prisons for Profits, and social issues.  Dry, dry, and more dry.  But compelled to research and write, nonetheless.

                      Social action.  That sounds interesting.  And much needed.

                      I am a bit embarrassed to share that I was unaware of the DK Street Prophets.  I am just an old crone with hope eternal to make a small difference, if only for one or two others laced with a tad of tattletale I suspect.  I can not bear the injustices heaped on others, so I try to get to the bottom of who, what, where, when, and how the injustice transpires, if that makes any sense.

                      This is an interesting week.  Not 2010, not 2011.  It is a very good idea to dedicate some energy to maintaining balance on all levels.  That said, tomorrow is cleaning day for me.

                      Thank you, again, for sharing.  And I think you will find the same enthusiasm from any who appreciate The Journey, as you do have a talent for expressing in words what many struggle to share even with themselves.  Many people need words to shed some light on their inner mechinations, I believe.  Simple words of personal experience.  Those of others helped me immensely on this Journey.

                      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 08:47:24 PM PST

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                •  Just a thought. Do you know that scripture (2+ / 0-)
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                  That says "Don't throw your pearls before swine"

                  It has always bothered me a bit.  It's not something I can picture Jesus saying, quite frankly.

                  I wonder if that wasn't tossed into the New Testament to discourage people from sharing their journeys?

                  Just a thought I dare to share with you.

                  It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                  by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 06:37:15 PM PST

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                  •  This is not in corcordance with the mood (2+ / 0-)
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                    of this discussion, but I can never hear the phrase "pearls before swine" without recalling a particular Dorothy Parker story.

                    She and a young model were walking into a hotel lobby, and the model opened the door for Dorothy, gesturing that Dorothy should enter first, saying "Age before Beauty".

                    Dorothy swept through the opened door, saying as she passed the beautiful model, "Pearls before Swine".

                    More seriously, however; I'd like to say that it has long been in my heart that none are irredeemable.  Yet I have found in my life that there really are the "walking dead" on this planet.  Those whose light has long ago been extinguished.  Why they are allowed to stay is beyond my comprehension.  They defile pearls, snuff light, distort mercy.  I really don't understand, but I do know not to offer them pearls.

                    For me, the most thought-provoking phrase Jesus said is "the poor, they will always be with you".

                    Why?  As a test?  As a lesson?  As a model?  There is a lot of exploration to be had in that short phrase.

                    Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

                    by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 08:55:45 AM PST

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                    •  He could have meant (0+ / 0-)

                      "the poor in spirit"

                      We automatically translate "the poor" as those who have less material substance or opportunity.

                      Having become a bit of a spiritual hodge podge over the years, the only thing that makes any sense to me is reincarnation.  For me, it's the belief that enables me to have compassion for those who do evil.  Knowing they will reap what they sew in time either in this life or the next.  The Law of Natural Consequence.

                      Perhaps earth is the laboratory where each soul gets to come and overcome.  Perhaps those who hoard in excess in one lifetime get to return as a street child in Bangladesh or Haiti to learn about the pain their hoarding causes 'downstream'.

                      And, if this is the laboratory, and each is at a different stage of development, because there are always hoarders, there will also be poor.

                      In Enoch's city, there were no 'poor among them'.  His city was 'translated' to Heaven, as the story goes.

                      Also, I don't accept the written New Testament today as though it was the way it was originally written.  Too many hands with too many agenda between its creation and its version today.  Fortunately, one of the greatest powers we are endowed with is the 'gift of discernment'.

                      All this having been said, who really knows for sure.  I am thankful for the great teachers before us and among us that have shed some light on this otherwise dark path we call life.

                      To whom much is given, much is required.  I owe a great deal!

                      I wish someone would invent a wrist band Love-O-Meter to help us be alert to when we are truly being loving or not.

                      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                      by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 01:39:00 PM PST

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                •  Beautiful!!! nt (3+ / 0-)

                  Action is the only agent for change -- talking without action has never effected change anywhere, in any way, at any time.

                  by rubyr on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 06:40:04 AM PST

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    •  Well In More Down to Earth Terms, You're in the (6+ / 0-)

      general vicinity of what the rightwing did with the Republican Party back in the 60's when it acknowledged that it wasn't going to have a voice in the party or to reach the people through the media.

      Their movement was independent, but they used the party as a host. They developed their own messaging and education programs, built alliances, recruited new blocks of voters who'd been apolitical, and created a growing stream of candidates to feed into the party.

      That in general is the practical way to gain political party, whatever your political beliefs may be.

      I think we're at the point where progressives recognize that there's no future in merely supporting the Democratic party as it chooses to run itself. The next group that needs to recognize this is the factuality workers --especially climate scientists, but also scientists, technologists in general, and historians, honest economists and so forth. We already have issue advocacy organizations and demographic advocacy organizations many of which are in position to help strengthen an increasingly independent progressive movement.

      There are more than enough numbers to make a progressive movement that can pressure the Democrats from without and begin becoming the party from within. The question is whether we can find the leadership and create the mechanisms.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:02:57 PM PST

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      •  Ooh, I'm glad to read this. (5+ / 0-)

        First, I have never heard them called factuality workers before, I really like that term.

        Second, wow, I had not considered that there are already a large number of organizations that might be ripe for switching from democratic party operatives to movement participants. That feels very hopeful.

        I think we are all our leaders now. As we continue to talk to each other, and we pool our understanding of what we need, the movement gathers steam.

        •  If we can stay pooled! (4+ / 0-)
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          I know we can, what will it take?

          We have to answer this questions.  Perhaps having a good tool, like dk4 promises to be, will help.

          I was sorely disappointed when One Nation Working Together seems to have decided to end their cat herding project and took down their interactive map.  Hope dkos4 will have one so we can easily find meetings in our areas.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:59:03 PM PST

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      •  This will require some contemplation. (1+ / 0-)
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        However, in quick response, we have to find the faith in ourself and each other, and not hope that the 'others' will solve the problems.

        They can't without a huge amount of collective energy.

        The diary is about Universal Consciousness and it's power.

        What are your thoughts on this, Gooserock?

        A purposefully open-ended question, btw.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:56:46 PM PST

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    •  Start a group at DK4 (3+ / 0-)
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      I would recommend starting a group-blog over at DK4 and come up with a title you can use as a brand for any diaries that come. Then invite people to come on-board as co-editors. That will create the virtual space for people to climb aboard. We are absolutely in the phase where we need to create a movement.

      Unemployed? See my Unemployment Chronicles for resources and advice.

      by tmo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:30:32 PM PST

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      •  I can do that. (3+ / 0-)
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        Any ideas for a title?

        I don't consider myself a good leadership candidate, though.

        I am too blunt and socially spastic from what I have experienced.  People seem to take offense so easily.

        I did create and operate 4 small business ideas simultaneously for 11 years in the 1980s though, so I have a proven talent for delegating!

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:02:22 PM PST

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        •  Delegating will be a lot of the work (2+ / 0-)
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          I was responding to Renee, but from the responses to your diary I'd say you could be a fine leadership candidate. And I think delegating will be a lot of the work. Any movement is going to need to be organized at both the national and state and local levels so organizational responsibilities will need to be delegated out and work will need to be pushed down to the local groups.

          Unemployed? See my Unemployment Chronicles for resources and advice.

          by tmo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:32:16 PM PST

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          •  I'd like to see this be a global movement. (2+ / 0-)
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            My adage has always been

            Think big, start small.

            But there wasn't much of a response to the diary, so I wonder if this is too great a leap for most?

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:33:55 PM PST

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            •  Ah, global! (2+ / 0-)
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              You might want to check out this international group:


              •  That's an interesting group! (1+ / 0-)
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                Thank you for the link.

                I think the diary above is more apolitical.  Frankly, I need to reread it, as it was very spontaneously provided to xxdr.

                I hope to help individuals to self-actualize, for lack of a better word/phrase.

                Doing so effectively, will help guide them to the right actions specific to their areas and better cope with the situations facing them.

                I am reminded of the book "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl.  In the worst of circumstances, some were able to maintain their humanity, empathy, and compassion.

                To help people hold on to their given dignity regardless of whatever is done to them.

                I think this is where I might be of some assistance.

                It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:43:24 PM PST

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            •  This stuff takes time - and branding (2+ / 0-)
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              This stuff takes time and patience. I don't know how long you've been reading here, but nyceve was patiently blogging on healthcare issues for over a year here before her diaries really took off. She never wavered, never lost faith, always believe she was on a righteous cause.

              The leap you're talking about is a lot bigger but the ingredients are all there. In my humble opinion, we can jump-start it with a little creative branding. :) We should use a catchy phrase like "100th Monkey" to use in all your diary titles so people know what to expect and start looking for it. Once you get a group at DK4 together, you get everyone to agree to use that in their diary titles.

              Unemployed? See my Unemployment Chronicles for resources and advice.

              by tmo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:41:31 PM PST

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              •  Oh, that will be helpful. (1+ / 0-)
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                Titles have to be short, so perhaps we could use

                100th Power or Power Up or ???

                Let's keep the ideas flowing until the right one is delivered to us.  It's out there waiting for us, right?

                Or can the 'title' be in the tags to bring all together?

                I will spend some time this week studying the dk4 upgrade.

                When dk4 begins, will you have some time to help with the initial lift?  I guess the jist will be to help people to overcome some of their 'demons' and understand the power they have available to them if they choose to believe and try to use it.  Is this about right?

                I know I will be joining nyceve in her efforts. Health care is an important issue for both the obvious reasons, as well as a first blow to the 'corporate status quo'.

                It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:56:39 PM PST

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                •  I will absolutely help however is need (2+ / 0-)
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                  If you can keep writing diaries like this where you show us a vision, I can absolutely help however my help is needed. I think that's exactly right about overcoming demons and show people how to use the tools to do things if they want to. So many people are afraid DK4 is going to force the community to act in certain ways when I see it as it will allow the community to stay as it is AND to change as we want it to.

                  The group title can be in the tags, but I think any group name is also a tag so people can follow it. I think using it in the titles is useful as a signal to get people to recognize it and read it when they see it, and as a cue to make them curious - "100th Power? What on earth could that refer to? Let's see what's going on there."

                  Unemployed? See my Unemployment Chronicles for resources and advice.

                  by tmo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:04:58 PM PST

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                  •  I can share. (2+ / 0-)
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                    It helps when presented with another's questions, as in xxdr's diary today.  I can courageously share insights, etc., that I wish I had when I was younger that could have helped avoid some bruising and wasted time (well, time that could have been better spent).

                    So, perhaps 100th Power might be the tag/title?

                    Reminds me of my mom, how I miss her:

                    "If I've told you once, I've told you a hundred times, don't...."

                    chuckling here.

                    tmo, thank you for the encouragement today.  It means a great deal to me.

                    if you enjoy short, punchy, political/philosophical esoteric, didactic rhyme, my journey is on line.

                    just google:   sonjapoet "one life's pilgrimage"

                    Peace to you and yours, tmo.

                    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                    by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:52:00 PM PST

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                  •  I subscribed to your feed (2+ / 0-)
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                    so that when DK4 hits we will be able to form a group.

              •  Yes, it seems that I have found my niche. (3+ / 0-)
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                This is the first topic that seems to endlessly fascinate me. It is time for a movement, and I can't shut up about it. To waste any more time in bitter anger at the democrats, is a mistake.

                Thank you for suggesting a group. There will be one started. I'm collecting names of people that need to be in it.

                •  Thank you for your comments, Renee (2+ / 0-)
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                  I am in Utah, btw.  Not so far from S. Cal.

                  You are correct about 'shadow', btw.  Repression doesn't work.  I think of being at the lake, pushing the beach ball under water, and watching it surface and leap into the air.  The deeper it is submerged, the higher it leaps.

                  I hope, when you start your group, that you will give me a heads up.  A movement needs a foundation.  And the each member can benefit from an effort to build their own.

                  The word 'change', used by both Clinton and Obama, is a tad too vague for me.

                  I look forward to many groups on dk4; however, I hope their is a mechanism that can call all groups to action, when an issue of importance in a given area arises, so that all can jump in and help.

                  This was the promise of One Nation Working Together.  I had a vision for how that could have evolved, and was sadly disappointed when they kind of fizzled.  Know that I nagged and begged them to keep going, even volunteered to help.

                  So, w/dk4, if nothing else, I hope and visualize a "Call To Action" mechanism whereby one action group can send out a call for help to all the other groups in their area, in an easy format.  Does this make sense?

                  It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                  by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 08:22:47 AM PST

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                  •  Huh. I don't know why I thought you were (2+ / 0-)
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                    on the east coast.

                    I am just reading webranding's post on messaging. I think the message is : we the people elect the officials and they are passing laws that benefit 10% of the country. It's time to pass laws that benefit 90% of the country.

                    I am getting traction with that one. Not sure how to condense it into a smaller phrase though.

                    I just joined Common Cause, which Robert Reich is now heading. I really like what he has to say, and lord knows, he is connected. Right now they are asking for money. I hope they will be asking for feet on the ground soon.

                    I love your call to action idea. I know that this site has been doing that thing where they have a splash screen to ask people to sign petitions. I assume they are getting a lot of signatures. That seems sort of like the same idea. If there isn't that capability now, we should talk to them about getting it. Of course, if there is a big idea coming down the pike, we can always sell it to the management and they can front page it. That would get people's attention.

                    I have been looking around DK4 but I in no way understand it. LOL. I got all bogged down with DK3 and it took me over a year to start posting... probably way longer than that. I'm trying to get the hang of it sooner this time.

                    •  Here's a twitter I used from time to time (2+ / 0-)
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                      Help the 90%, let the 10% fend for themselves.

                      Sadly, Congress has it bass ackwards.  Money talks.

                      Did you see my idea to form Citizen Lobbyist groups in each state and DC?

                      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                      by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 10:00:30 AM PST

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                      •  I have been tweeting similar things. (0+ / 0-)

                        What is your twitter name? I'll follow you.

                        I don't think I did see that. I'm right on the brink of jumping into California politics. I have no idea where the money is going to come from. I'm going through a divorce. But leading a movement is calling to me, deeply. And I'm not going to back away from that calling.

                        I think having lobby groups for us citizens is a great idea. I just joined Common Cause and Robert Reich is leading them now. I'm hoping for good things from them.

                        I liked what you had to say about sexuality, BTW. I mean, it's there and it can't be ignored, but I am suspect of sexual politics. I'm barely out into the gay community at all, and I'm sort of worried that I won't fit it. I like the idea of finally being around other women who get how beautiful women are. But I don't like the idea that that one thing we have in common somehow binds us all together tighter than I am with lots of other types of people, or even the people that I disagree with. It seems too divisive to me. But at the same time, I understand it. GLBT folk grow up without any support at all, not even knowing what is wrong that makes them the target of such bullying. Then many of us lose our families when we finally realize that we are glbt, so it's just a horrible scarring experience.

                        Really though, I'm a hermit. I think deeply about human nature and philosophy. And frequently these days, marketing.

                    •  I spent the first 41 years in the North East. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Maine and Boston.

                      Fled the bad weather.  Utah is much more mild.  Miss the dialogue greatly, however.

                      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                      by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 10:20:51 AM PST

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                  •  I subscribed to your feed (1+ / 0-)
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                    so that when DK4 hits we will be able to form a group.

            •  Judging by the quality (3+ / 0-)
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              of the comments to your diary, I believe we have a nascent group here.

              So happy to not have to wade through a bunch of naysayers commenting for a change!

              Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

              by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:31:40 AM PST

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  •  26 is the new 36 n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    witness the GOPRANOS.. rethugs: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too." -Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by the UK's Guardian

    by change the Be on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:32:42 AM PST

  •  Thank you for sharing your gifts! (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm 62 and delighted about it ;) I share many of your views and appreciate you taking the time to write it. Your diary made me think of two things:


    The word God has been used to mean so many different things, it has lost all meaning. It also has negative connotations for many. "Consciousness" is still being studied, so there are some special meanings in use sometimes. I strongly believe it's important to live consciously as best I can, but most people would have no idea what I mean when I say that.

    Because communication about these ideas is fraught with danger, my small social circle just refers to "The Universe." Most people understand that to be the largest system in which we live, incomprehensible, amazing, and One.


    Is language like a wire? (PNAS)

    When two people experience a deep connection, they’re informally described as being on the same wavelength. There may be neurological truth to that.

    Brain scans of a speaker and listener showed their neural activity synchronizing during storytelling. The stronger their reported connection, the closer the coupling. ....

    They found that speaking and listening used common rather than separate neural subsystems inside each brain. Even more striking was an overlap between the brains of speaker and listener. When post-scan interviews found that stories had resonated, scans showed a complex interplay of neural call and response, as if language were a wire between test subjects’ brains.

    •  You are absolutely correct!! (3+ / 0-)
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      There is a very long response to your points.

      The short version is the diary above.

      Words to matter.

      But principles are universal.  The scanner would see a complete brain meld if one of the many universal principles were the 'story'.  

      It is difficult, because of all the negative connotations of words you describe, to use words to bring people to an understanding of a Universal Principle.

      Which is why analogies, stories, parables are used.

      But time is short.  It's time to let go of BEING RIGHT, and just DO RIGHT.

      Doing right doesn't require battling word innuendo.

      We have more power than we realize.

      I would like to help people realize this.

      How could the wording in the diary be improved to do so?

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:08:55 PM PST

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      •  I didn't mean to be critical, WoE, (3+ / 0-)
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        just sharing some of what I learned for my master's in communication. Parables are often the very best way to communicate, as are stories of many kinds. (I'm an amateur oral historian.)

        But the far right has used simple words with negative connotations to build the Republican base. Innuendo is used to belittle, demean, and destroy our principles. Remember Alberto Gonzales calling the Constitution "quaint?" Aaargh!

        I strongly agree about principles. They have been driven from our communication. If we spoke of them, that would give them meaning -- as you have so ably done, imho. It is against the best interests of the corporate media to have us think of principles. The Bill of Rights has been dismantled. Wikileaks is showing us our ugly underbelly, and most of the American media are in denial.

        I'm grateful for the thoughtful diary, and meant no criticism. My intention was only to add some food for thought to see what others had to add. Sorry I communicate well ;)

        Just as an aside -- have you heard of American mystic Edgar Cayce? He had a lot to say about universal principles, only he used the word laws. FWIW

        •  A perfect example. (2+ / 0-)
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          I saw no criticism in your words.  I appreciated the wisdom you shared.

          I apologize if my response sounded defensive.

          Yes, I am very familiar with Edgar Cayce.  Amazing stuff!

          My understanding is that Universal Principles are governed by immutable laws, particularly as they apply to science.  

          What you shared re: monitoring brain activity is science observing these laws/principles.

          How can millions tune out the distractions long enough, and efficiently enough, to be able to receive the gifts that are there for them?  With effort.  With desire for a better way.  And with encouragement.

          Imagine a world in which we were all cheerleaders for others, knowing we were being cheered to move forward, too.  If we can get the cat herd to stop cat fighting each other, that would be a great first step.  Let people speak their opinions and, if we don't agree, at least be kind and invite a cordial discourse, instead of swiping with our claws.

          I think Wikileaks will help shatter some of the grip media has on people who are tuned in, or I hope so.  Even though many of us can see the damaging societal intent of the media, many are still convinced it is working for them, instead of against their greater good.

          Well, that was a blither.

          We are on the same page.  And I love the scientific studies of the brain, btw.  I have an invention in mind that could save TSA a fortune.  I thought of it almost 40 years ago, after studying up on kirlean photography and auras.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:46:24 PM PST

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          •  We see eye-to-eye, except (3+ / 0-)
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            I didn't consider that a blither ;) I've long wondered about your question:

            How can millions tune out the distractions long enough, and efficiently enough, to be able to receive the gifts that are there for them?  

            Cayce said, IIRC, that if enough people -- a critical mass -- prayed, they could change the course of events he'd predicted. (His times were always off. Heh.) The people who gathered to study with him did all get up with him at 2 a.m. to meditate. I did it for a while, and it changed who I was.

            Because I'm a 24/7 caregiver for my sweet mama, my time is limited as far as taking action is concerned. What I try to do is keep my consciousness and interactions in line with what Cayce called my "Ideals" and Christians call "Gifts of the Spirit." Love. Joy. Peace. Gentleness. Kindness. Etc. Moment to moment.

            It's possible that I could do more, but I have the "one thing" now, my mom. Eyes wide open, though!

            Thanks for the interesting conversation.

            All the best to you!

            •  omgosh. Cayce is exactly correct. (2+ / 0-)
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              I have wanted to, but haven't dare to ask the community to set a regular, daily time and pray/meditate/ask for the world to be the good way we envision it can be.  Just for 10 minutes a day.

              I think, in retrospect, today's diary was an effort to present this exact invitation.

              So many recoil from using the very powers we need to use, in order to resolve so many problems.  It can be a simple collective plea/prayer/effort at communication:  

              Please set aside all that is not Love, please nourish and allow Love to spread to all corners of the earth and the Universe.  Let the World become One Love.

              Sadly, as I am sure you learned from Cayce, that group prayer effort can be used for both good and bad, or love and not love.

              You must have heard of Jeff Sharlett's reports on The Family, and the corporate/political prayer groups.  Shockingly, Doug Coe praises the likes of hitler and mao for their courage to do great harm to achieve their goals.  Good grief.  They believe the 'end justifies the means' as if there were not consequences beyond this moment of their personal history.  Really dumb, but still powerful.

              Now, the problem for progressives is using that word


              because the likes of Ralph Reed and The Family (Ensign) are attached to the word.

              BUT, until and unless we come together as a group and specifically and with a common intent, using ALL of our heart, emotion, and brain power/energhy to project the world as we want it, we cannot overcome (in a relatively peaceful manner) the 'darker power' that has swept the globe.

              You see this.  I see this.  Can others?  Or do you have to live decades to do so?

              Can we reach the hearts and minds of the youth, who by nature prefer good if they can see it will work, to have them join without it looking/feeling cultish.

              I see it as pragmatic.  Even scientific.

              We need a group to brainstorm ideas on how to boil the message down to sound bites to help.  Some rap songs, some Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu songs.

              Music, speeches, bumper stickers, buttons, a full blown marketing effort, outreach.  Well, you get the gist.

              I am a nobody.  Kind of like that, btw.  But willing to walk to the end of the limb if I can be of any help.

              I like what this group is doing with music.  One World:

              I am brought to tears every time I listen to this.  Our potential, so horribly down played and thwarted.

              Our collective consciousness has the power of a laser IF we chose to use it in that manner.

              Perhaps the crop is more ripe than we think?

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 03:16:19 PM PST

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              •  I would love to join a prayer group (n/t) (1+ / 0-)
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                by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:22:02 AM PST

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                •  Me, too. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I think Renee might have a plan when DK4 launches in February.

                  If not, I will dare to do so.  Perhaps we can begin to visualize how that might look?  The first step of manifesting is to be able to see the desired outcome and then do all we can to do our part.

                  I have saved this to Word, w/the  comments just in case.

                  We have a good starting group from this thread.

                  It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                  by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:46:15 AM PST

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            •  Caring for your mama. (3+ / 0-)
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              What a blessing for you.  Sorry I missed this before.

              It is also a difficult task.  I cared for mine for a year before she was released.  I am so glad I had that chance.  We healed together and I have no regrets.  It was one of the best years of my life, quite frankly.  But I was alone, and didn't have any other demands at the time.

              I hope you have chances to recharge now and then.

              You will be blessed for this service, cotterperson.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 04:12:29 PM PST

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          •  Want to share one more link. (2+ / 0-)
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            It begins "All of Creation is conspiring to shower us with blessings ...."

            (It's a low-res, but large graphic.)


        •  Edgar Cayce taught me a very important thing: (1+ / 0-)
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          Thoughts are things.

          Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

          by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:20:10 AM PST

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          •  They are. (1+ / 0-)
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            Having pondered "In the beginning there was the Word"

            I concluded that prior to the word must have been Thought.

            Thought and word are powerful because they help us connect our inner 'power' with the Greater Power.  We can be the conduits.

            I call this Faith but there are many words that can be used.

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 09:49:25 AM PST

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            •  Interesting word, "Faith". (1+ / 0-)
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              I had a prolonged discussion with God about Faith and just why it was so important and what it really was.

              In the end he showed me my own faith within me, and it was a far cry from "Belief", which seems to involve something akin to clicking your heels three times and saying "I Believe, I Believe, I Believe!".

              Probably the closest word I can use to describe Faith is "knowing", or gnosis. It really cannot be shared or described; it is, I think, the essence of the uniqueness of the individual soul and described as the individual's unique relationship with God; whether that person is aware of that relationship or not.

              We are all born with "a measure of faith", as the Bible tells us, but we are not told that measure is equal.  We are told, however,

              unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required

              Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

              by Gustogirl on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 10:03:42 AM PST

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  •  100th monkey, new system and Buckminster Fuller (3+ / 0-)
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    (cross posted response to  xxdr zombiexx's

    The Holy Man at the Grocery Checkout & the 100th Monkey)

    Spreading the idea of Ephmemeralization, or "the ability to do more and more with less and less", as popularized by Buckminster Fuller, is one of the bottom-up keys to creating a new society.  

    Fuller's understanding of the difficualty of adressing the global issue of apparent limited resources with the local solutions provided by national governments was amazing.  

    I once heard someone say No corporate board in the world sits down and asks "What is the worst thing we can do today?"  They ask "How can we make a shitload of money?"

    If they can be shown ways to make more money by doing good than by doing bad, they'll do it.

    While we need to convince officials worldwide to make sensible global policy, we also need be able to offer tools to entrpreneurs that make them profits in a sane economy.  

    Fuller was way ahead of his time in doing this through his many application of design science to geodesic dom structurers and inventions like the dymaxion car.

    Architect William McDonough and chemist Dr. Michael Braungart   have continued along these line by moving toward completely compostable or completely recyclable insudtrial processes.


    The Buckminster Fuller Institute

    MBDC(McDonough Braungart Design Chemistry)

    Cradle to Cradle Writings

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

    by TheGrandWazoo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 01:53:20 PM PST

    •  Great information. (2+ / 0-)
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      Thank you for dropping this by, today.

      There are so many good ideas.

      Mine is to begin with the individual.  To help us crawl out from under the delusions that have been heaped on us, so we can overcome the obstacles that seem to limit our ability to effectively work together.

      Heck, most people don't know their neighbors!

      Until the social isolation is broken down, we will not be able to work together.

      And everything is presently set up to keep us quite isolated, except for the internet, and that is now under attack.

      Who knows, maybe the internet contributes to our isolation.

      Is this worthy of addressing?  Undoing our isolating ways?  And then overcoming our nascent inability to work together?

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:02:56 PM PST

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      •  Yes! address isolation (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm with you on this one, especially the fact that we don't even know our own neighbors.  This is not the way we are designed to live.

        For most of human existenece, you knew the same people from the time you were a child to the time you were a village elder. I'm pretty sure You ate around the fire with your neighbors, told stories, hunted together gathered together, et cetera.

        And, yeah, you found some of the same people to be a pain in the ass forever.  But this was outweighed by the deep relationships built with others.

        Now, I'm not advocating a return to hunter-gatherer days. I like indoor plumbing way too much.  But, I do think we should actively seek ways to re-create the psychological and spiritual connections that we evolved to hold for the good of ourselves and others.  

        We can't care for our fellow humans if we don;t even know who they are.

        Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

        by TheGrandWazoo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 02:54:02 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for the diary (2+ / 0-)
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    I am very glad you wrote this and will look for you on DK4. I am an atheist who has a spiritual practice - I always wanted to be a scientist. But science has no tools to explore the subjective. It stands on observation which requires there be an observer, yet it strives to eliminate the subjective so the truth about reality can be known. Gandhi says "god has no religion" - I think what we call god is simply reality - reality whole before we split ourselves into the subject that observes from the objects that are seen. This split is based on words that define, but they will always fail to express the whole as the subjective is not verbal - it has to experienced.

    Our minds are filled with words constantly telling stories which excite us, inspire us, frighten us. But if you become still they are mostly empty stories.

    This awareness heals our own split so we alone can be whole. But it is not enough to be whole - we must apply this awareness to help others become whole. While we are indeed separate physical bodies we are not separate in consciousness. Suffering in one is suffering in all. You need no one to teach you this - it cannot be observed - it can only be experienced directly.

    Love requires us to act from this place of wholeness. There is no greater joy.

    And one of those actions is to remember corporations are structures defined in words - they are not and never can be people. They are just stories. They can be exciting and wonderful and they can be terrible and destructive but they have no soul. Those who would call them capable of free speech and attribute personhood on them are thereby exposing their own emptiness of experience. They are living out a story written by others and not partaking and contributing as they are required in the actual lives of us all.

    As you say - the diary took courage. I am trying to find my voice to speak from this place, and more importantly act from this place. I am not interested in spiritual practice here - you may do whatever works and there are no end of paths that work. What I am looking for is action. If your spiritual practice is true the actions should speak to you and we should be able to recognize these actions in others.

    It is a seemingly small thing to post a diary but I wanted to say I hear you. And thank you. And when does DK3 close down?

    •  Well, I would say you have found your voice. (2+ / 0-)
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      And it is very articulate, logical, and passionate.  No easy feat, btw.  

      Thank you so very much for your courage and for sharing your beautiful summation of being human.

      I learn so much from the exercise of trying to write what I believe and feel.  Do you find it a learning experience, too?

      Several have done so here today.  Each is so unique and yet so abundantly powerful.  My desire to offer a gift resulted in receiving much more than was given.  I think that is one of the Universal Laws/Principles, which do not require anyone to believe in them, btw.

      Have you read the other comments?

      Here's a thought:

      Courage - Coeur Age - Heart Age - Emotional Maturity

      Perhaps those living out the 'stories' are emotionally arrested at the age of emotional maturity that says "Hey!  Stay on your side of the sand box!"

      Shared to give you a chuckle.

      I think religious 'tags' create too many stories in the imaginations of men and are distractions.  Christian, Atheist, Monist, etc.

      I absolutely agree with all you have written.

      Offered for your amusement, however, after having read from Eternity to Here recently, I sense that because there is infinity, that all is infinite. In our perception, it may change form and/or appearance, including our very selves.

      What we experience is simply a hyper-focus on a pin point some where along the arrow of time, which imo, if it is infinite going forward, than it has to be infinite in infinite directions for an infinite number of dimensions.  We experience, what, 3? 4? dimensions.

      Science can't use stuff (technology) which is cognitively manifest to serve science, to perfectly understand incomprehensible infinity, nor does it need to.

      However, science can use technology to help people better use their time and planet resources.  Sadly, it has become corporate driven to do more harm than good these days, or so it seems.

      I suspect we could chat for hours.

      Or simply enjoy the quiet quest for better understanding.

      We agree that there is much work to do.  I hope we can share thoughts again on dk4.

      Not sure about the end of dk3, but have been told all our dk3 diaries will automatically be carried forward in dk4.  But dk4 beta diaries will disappear.  I think I have that right.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 06:32:44 PM PST

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      •  DK4 starts Feb 1st (2+ / 0-)
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        I read that somewhere this evening.

        I am encouraged my post made sense. For some time I have thought that the world was lacking a spiritual foundation. I was never religious but I began a spiritual practice about 5 years ago after having been steeped in human potential mumbo jumbo for over 30 years that confused the hell out of me. I finally just embraced my skepticism and atheism and set about exploring within myself following a meditation practice prepared by Eknath Easwaran. In the last year or so a very great many things have begun to fall into place.

        I did read all the comments here. I do think a movement is emerging and I think it is nothing particularly new. People are hurting and it is the job of suffering to make us pay attention. Again. We aren't unfeeling, and we aren't unresponsive. The core measure of spirituality is kindness. It is a lot harder than it looks and requires enormous patience to perfect. But as a nation the US has strayed a long way from being as kind as it could be.

        In the 60's there was a revolution of sorts - I caught the tail end and got a face full of human potential in the 70's. The core message was "all you need is love" which many interpreted as lots of sex and drugs and rock and roll. Which is understandable considering the wealth that was being thrown around. But within that there was a much deeper meaning and I think the current evaporating wealth is coinciding with the emergence of that deeper meaning.

        I will say that my own biggest concern is responding to climate change. It all seems so tightly connected to me that we are changing as our circumstances are changing and the most powerful change is global weather. I think if we can just respond to that in a way that leaves no one behind we will go most of the way to solving all the other problems. But that change alone is so huge and I tremble at the thought of what the world may be that my grand children inherit. I sometimes weep at what is being lost, even though a part of me knows it all has to end, regardless. The atoms in our bodies can only be made inside stars, and that is where they will eventually return. But that says nothing about why I exist as this "observer" that is spontaneously created along with the awareness of these "things". If I tell a story of any kind I am locked into its suffering, but as I say the point of that suffering is to write a kinder ending. It is time for another rewrite.

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          My vision for climate change:

          Convert the better part of The Military/National Security Complex


          The Environmental Industrial Complex

          Nothing has to change.  Military can keep their stripes and titles, pay scales remain the same, yaddy yadda.

          Just the focus of activity has to change.

          Imagine the National Guard spending their monthly service weekend insulating the homes of the elderly, instead of playing war games.

          Just a thought.

          Oh, and the billions being spent on military and national security (mostly privatized these days, btw) being spend on wind farms, solar panels, and geo thermal, here and abroad.

          Dare we dream?  We must dare and demand.

          But, first, we must be able to visualize that happening.

          A MIC time out of sorts to convert the country to renewable energy owned by the public utilities, not private, for profit corporations.

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 08:28:36 AM PST

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          •  As for the military (2+ / 0-)
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            This one is not optional. The core military ethic is one of service, and we desperately need that in the world. Redirecting it is a feature, not a problem.

            •  The vision (1+ / 0-)
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              is for the $$ and boots to spend a portion to put America/the country back on its feet.  To create an energy efficient mass transit, infrastructure and to heal the nation, putting all to work and end the divide.

              If this country falls apart, what good will we be to the rest of the world.  And it feels like this country may be allowed to fall apart and truly could use at least half of the huge military budget to do so.

              I don't want all countries to be Third World status, I want those who can to help all the Third world countries become well fed and capable of providing for themselves by also providing renewable energy based economies of cooperation.

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Mon Dec 27, 2010 at 01:43:44 PM PST

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