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I just HAD to create a diary in response to the thread by Kos vis-a-vis the major demographic changes in many red and purple states largely driven by the growth in the latino population. There is a HUGE mistaken (and offensive to label them as such, I might add) belief that Hispanics can be "had" by appealing to their Catholic roots and ASSUMED social conservatism. I have credibility in this issue because I was a Republican at one time and tried in vain to unseat Rep. Ed Pastor simply by appealing to the supposed social conservatism of Latinos. I worked for an idiot Mexican-American rightwinger who ran for Congress in the 1990s. And all she did was preach social issues to Latin voters from the rooftops. Well, it didn't work.

I have latinos in my family who live in Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and a couple unfortunate ones who happen to be trapped in Texas. I also have been a liberal Democrat since the 2000 election and was and am heavily involved in the union and gay rights movements in Arizona. Being in a "right" to work state fucking SUCKS for being involved with GOTV with unions and getting money out of them. But here I am. And I have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Giffords, Grijalva, Kirkpatrick, Mitchell, Goddard, and Pastor and many state legislators (and unsuccessful candidates for all sorts of offices) from law enforcement unions, CWA, AFL-CIO, etc. I have been involved in principally the Giffords and Grijalva camps over the years and have seen their internal polling. Bottom line is that the VAST majority of Mexican-Americans and other latinos polled internally lean HEAVILY towards the most PROGRESSIVE of the Democrats in any given primary scenario. The Latins in the AZ State Leg are almost ALL heavily liberal and are untouchable in their districts. I have even seen polls that show a substantial amount of Latinos would be in a theoretically viable Socialist Party. In addition, the polls ALWAYS have shown a majority of Latinos polled believe in the right to choose, care about the environment, and, because I am gay, I have a particular interest in this one: The VAST majority of Hispanics polled have always shown more tolerance of gays, gay marriage, gays in the military than their white counterparts.

It is insulting to assume that the GOP can just grab even a substantial chunk of the Hispanic vote by simply appealing to "Catholic" social issues. Those who believe that need to answer why the fuck are the white eastern European descent people in Chicago not more GOP because of "social issues"? And how about the Italian-Americans in San Francisco, NYC, Boston, Baltimore, you name it? Huh? In fact, my Hispanic Northern New Mexican family members would be to the Left of most Kossacks. Even on the social issues. Sometimes ESPECIALLY on the social issues. I am not latino myself, but the ones who had the most welcoming attitude when i came out were my Hispanic family members (by marriage). Interestingly, one who did (she doesn't anymore) have a problem with me being gay was my white Scottish descent aunt from Boston who is a life-long yellow dog Democrat.

You make these "Catholic" social issue assumptions at your peril. The one assumption that CAN be made (and I have seen it in the internal polling) is that Latinos are substantially more likely to vote for one of their "own" if given a choice. But NOT if that latin last name has an "R" by it.

Originally posted to BoyBlue on Fri Jan 07, 2011 at 09:45 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)
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    Youffraita, jsfox, Mariken, isabelle hayes

    Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

    by BoyBlue on Fri Jan 07, 2011 at 09:45:58 AM PST

  •  Why does this (0+ / 0-)

    give you credibility?:

    have credibility in this issue because I was a Republican at one time and tried in vain to unseat Rep. Ed Pastor simply by appealing to the supposed social conservatism of Latinos. I worked for an idiot Mexican-American rightwinger who ran for Congress in the 1990s. And all she did was preach social issues to Latin voters from the rooftops. Well, it didn't work.

  •  I'm a gringo who has lived in northern NM (1+ / 0-)
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    BoyBlue

    continuously for almost 40 years. Related to native Hispanics by marriage.  "Hispanics" are not some unified monolith who can be courted by a single message.

    don't always believe what you think...

    by claude on Fri Jan 07, 2011 at 11:49:22 AM PST

  •  Are you aware that you are being smeared (1+ / 0-)
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    BoyBlue

    by right wingers? Specifically, Kevin DuJan.

    http://hillbuzz.org/...

    http://www.politico.com/...

    (Check the comments.)

    And it's spreading around the right wing lie machines at the speed of light.

    •  yes i am fully aware. VERY bad timing on my part. (2+ / 0-)
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      as the understatement of the year. but how was i supposed to know? and i am letting go of my anger at Giffords for helping the media create an anti-Pelosi and anti-111th Congress meme by being one of NINETEEN Democrats who failed to vote for my girl Nancy for Minority Leader. I am OF COURSE sooo glad Giffords looks like she will recover and i so hope she recovers quickly to get back on the horse and and back to representing us. but i still am not happy about her vote against Pelosi.

      The freepers, teabaggers, and repugs in general are just trying to preliminarily deflect any blame when it is inevitably found out that this assassin has ties and/or sympathies to the far right. and they know this. i am SURE this killer voted for that fascist fuckball, Jesse Kelly. and i am SURE he's a registered repug.

      Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

      by BoyBlue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 04:56:01 PM PST

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      •  Just an FYI (1+ / 0-)
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        because this is all over the place, don't be surprised if you don't get an FBI knock on your door.

        Google has a cache of it, you should bookmark it so you can pull it up (although I'm sure they've seen it already) and explain it if you need to.

        "John Boehner thinks of himself as Ceasar. How about we change his name to Orange Julius?"

        by second gen on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 05:22:38 PM PST

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        •  i'm a lawyer so i'll be prepared. (3+ / 0-)

          but thanks for the heads up. i NEVER EVER threaten anyone with ANYTHING i ever say. "dead to me" is a common, very old saying.

          Not a single issue voter, but if I was, gay rights would be it. I just want Democrats to be tough. And I wish Obama were tougher. That's all. I'm a proud gay!

          by BoyBlue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 07:27:44 PM PST

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          •  That you claim to be a lawyer (0+ / 0-)

            and used the rhetoric you chose to use in the title of your diary is a statement on your complete lack of legal judgment.

            I have many, many friends who are lawyers and they are not as intemperate with their public writings as you are.  

            I hope you learn something from this.  I also dearly hope that your karma, since it was "instant" isn't bad enough to completely ruin your reputation.

            "Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry."

            by Glinda on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 08:41:24 PM PST

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            •  Okay. (1+ / 0-)
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              I think he got it. You're not going to make him feel any worse than he already does.

              "John Boehner thinks of himself as Ceasar. How about we change his name to Orange Julius?"

              by second gen on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 09:38:36 PM PST

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              •  He should act to atone for his stupid rhetoric (0+ / 0-)

                Do you agree that one should be held accountable for ones words?

                He hasn't done so yet, has he?

                Does he lack balls? Is that the problem?

                You would expect no less from the Glenn Beck (scum) crowd.  Why are you willing to condone complete cowardice on the part of this Kossack?

                "Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry."

                by Glinda on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 09:47:05 PM PST

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          •  You did not threaten her (2+ / 0-)
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            In any way shape or form.  I read your diary and it was clear that you were a frustrated Democratic supporter.  I used that saying once about Rachel Maddow and was promptly banned from a blog.  I regret saying it but I was really seething at the time.  

            And as you're a lawyer, I'm sure you realize, you can't be punished for making the statements that you did.  

      •  please contact me (1+ / 0-)
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        If you want to ;)
        In any case... just'n case you want to "revive" your original dairy (the one you delete it), I made a real copy with al comments (not a "picture" but a real html one,) and placed it in one of my servers.

        Because this should be your decision and not mine, I will not put a link to the page unless you want me to.

        If I were you I would write a dairy about the whole incident (the dairy you wrote, and how do you feel about it now, etc) with a link to the original page (I will give you the link if you ask me -- plese write to me at: privada1951 at gmail.com)

        I would do that not to give fodder to the right wingers that see a "conspiracy" where the only thing, at least in my view, is certain amount of shame.

        As some others stated here, my friend, there is no real shame in saying "you are dead to me"... It's a clear expression that means that a person becomes irrelevant to you, and not that the person is really dead or you wish the person dead.  In the old jewish tradition, still maintained by some orthodox jews, if a person in the family marries a non jew, the family will "sit shiva" (the traditional 7 days of grief and mourning,) but that does not mean that they wished any harm to the "disgraced" family member.

        Peace with Justice!
        Si, se puede

        Peace with Justice / Si se puede! Marcos

        by poetas on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 01:07:15 AM PST

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      •  You should un-delete it, imho. It was a pretty (0+ / 0-)

        standard political rant diary, iirc.  

        But with the deletion RW groups are going wild with cover-up speculation, and are free to fantasize about imaginary threats and evil words, rather than be confronted with, and disproved by, what you actually said.

        FWIW.

        "Dega dega dega dega. Break up the concrete..." The Pretenders

        by Terra Mystica on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 05:45:21 AM PST

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