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I was watching Fox News coverage of the murder that took place and as usual the "No Spin Zone" aka right wing propaganda machine laid blame on Daily Kos for violent crimes against elected officials. Fox New's specifically mentioned the Daily Kos website, as if to point out that the Daily Kos is to blame for actions or actions that can occur like the one that occurred with the attempted murder on Gabrielle Giffords. Basically Fox New's attempted to twist and bend the perception that websites like the Daily Kos are a threat to elected officials. I don't have how Fox News can twist a story at a time when the nation is mourning assassination attempt on an elected official.

If anyone can find the Fox News broadcast on the day of shooting against Gabrielle Giffords please provide the link below. Thank You

Evidence of previous attack:

Fox's O'Reilly Equates DailyKos with Nazis and Ku Klux Klan



Bill O'Reilly vs. Senator Chris Dodd over The Daily Kos

O'Reilly Attacks Daily Kos and Huffington Post

Fox's O'Reilly on the Fascist DailyKos

Now I would like to add the most recent propaganda twist against the Daily Kos. The individual who carried out the attack was actually rambling about the economy and debt in the US. Sarah Palin also had created a hit list against certain politicians which could have triggered this individual to use violence against elected politicians. It is well documented that the extremist right have been buying more guns and have been training to attack and kill elected officials. Also during her time in office she received a large amount of hate letters. We will have to wait and see what the objectives of the hate letters were? Maybe this will give us a clue on who or what group hated her the most. The details are in the hate mail she received.  

Daily Kos should create a law suit against Fox News for slander and promoting violence against certain groups who believe in certain things.

Originally posted to BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 09:59 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 3-)

    "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

    by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 09:59:53 PM PST

      •  Oh come'on that no reason for a HR... (4+ / 0-)
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        praenomen, Cofcos, Vtdblue, Miep

        Are you serious...just correct them and move on....sheesh....

        •  This whole diary is spinning a tragedy for (2+ / 0-)
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          Pluto, bushondrugs

          political purposes, spreading conjecture about the attacker, and it said that Rep. Giffords was dead. I don't really like Fox New(')s, but I also really didn't like this diary. Well, whatever.

          •  Are you disputing Fox's effort to tie DKos and (6+ / 0-)

            other progressive websites and orgs to "left wing violence"?  They've done it before, and there's little doubt they will be trying their damnedest to create such misdirects to avoid taking any blame for the violence.  

            Not quite sure what it is you hate so much about the diary now that the incorrect info about Cong. Gifford's health status has been corrected.  

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

            by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:18:06 PM PST

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            •  Right wing trolls have been coming on here (3+ / 0-)
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              frankzappatista, Vtdblue, yaque

              writing hateful bullshit (re Giffords), and then attributing it to Daily Kos today. I've been seeing it all over WaPo, Politico and Drudge etc.

              The Teabagger inbreeds have no conscience whatsoever.

              "He's the one, who likes all our pretty songs. And he likes to sing along. And he likes to shoot his gun. But he knows not what it means" - Kurt Cobain

              by Jeff Y on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:22:29 PM PST

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              •  Was the diary deleted? I remember seeing (1+ / 0-)
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                Jeff Y

                the diary.  The owners of Daily Kos should contact law enforcement because that is too big of a consequence to ignore.

                •  Actually it was a coincidence (2+ / 0-)
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                  dougymi, Jeff Y

                  Diarist pulled the diary him/herself earlier today, pretty much as soon as they heard about the shooting. And the diarist actually owned up to it with a pretty heartfelt apology (in an earlier diary that had addressed the diary in question). In this case it doesn't appear it was a troll based on the diarist's history here, just a coincidental case of overzealous language.

                  "I think the earth is a living being. I keep waiting for it to rear up and scrape us all off its back." - Tom Waits

                  by frankzappatista on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 03:33:04 AM PST

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          •  I understand and agree with your contempt for Fox (3+ / 0-)
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            Sylv, yaque, Miep

            But this diary is far from HR'able, and Id be here all day and night if I HR'd every diary I didn't like...but me not liking it is not a HR'able offense...if it is please point it out to me...

          •  You read the headline and... (1+ / 0-)
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            yaque

            missed the whole point becuase you did not read the diary.  I hate to add to the negativity but honestly--that was kind of stupid.  Please take back the HRs.

            Desperately clinging to my four fucking bananas.

            by quiet in NC on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:24:26 PM PST

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      •  also (4+ / 0-)
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        yella dawg, Vtdblue, yaque, Ana Thema

        John Roll, chief judge of U.S. District Court of Arizona, was assassinated in this event.

        "One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde

        by Miep on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:09:29 PM PST

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      •  Correct (1+ / 0-)
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        yaque

        She is not dead she is in critical condition,god bless her my heart goes out to her and her family. She was truly a beautiful person who devoted herself to helping people. People at Fox News should understand that and not use this as a point to make political strides, this isn't a time of politics but a time to mourn a great patriot. She forever will be in our hearts. Shame of Fox News!

        "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

        by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:17:57 PM PST

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    •  Yea, I noticed interesting talking points... (8+ / 0-)

      Watching Geraldo's coverage where the guy was saying it wasn't political because a 9 year old was killed....he kept saying what did she do, what did she do...so it couldn't be political....

      After I had had enough I switched to CNN...and there social media was calling them out for skimming along the edges....one of the commentators read the connection to Sarah Palin like she was scared of repercussion...

      Then they started spinning the story....to pin it solely on the nutjob who did the shooting but watching that exchange was bizarre...it was off the cuff so I don't think I'll be able to find a video of it...but I'm going to look for it...

      The media want nothing to do with taking responsibility for their part and others for what happened today and I know that already...but to watch it play out was weird....

      •  Exactly what we expected them to do. They HATE (5+ / 0-)

        having to call out Republican thugs like Beck, Savage, Limbaugh, O'Lielly and Palin for what they actually have done (crosshairs and all), even though they're more than happy to falsely smear Democrats with Repug/Drudge/Redstate talking point lies on a regular basis.

        This apologizing for actually making these connections is typical, but what is even more outrageous is the implication that both sides have perpetrated violent rhetoric or violence equally.  That is a bald-faced, craven lie, but we will see it repeated again and again in the coming days, because of the knee-jerk insistence on false equivalencies that has made our politics and "news reporting" so fucking nasty and dysfunctional.

        [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

        by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:13:24 PM PST

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      •  True Indeed (2+ / 0-)
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        Jeff Y, yaque

        I agree but they did mention Daily Kos and they are attempting to pin this on the web and on certain sites. So they can say that the fuse is being started from certain websites they are reading or watching. As you can see Fox News has attacked Daily Kos before and I saw Fox New attempting to distort the truth about what happen today by laying the blame game on Daily Kos and other websites.

        "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

        by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:13:37 PM PST

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    •  HR'd for the following statement: (2+ / 0-)
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      dc 20005, TurkeyCreek

      It is well documented that the extremist right have been buying more guns and have been training to attack and kill elected officials.

      The extremist right is not a monolithic group (despite what we like to say about them), and to say that they are "training to kill elected officials" is over the top and sinks to the level of the very group you are complaining about.

      A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

      by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:19:16 PM PST

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      •  One recent group that was (6+ / 0-)
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        elliott, Jeff Y, Loli, Vtdblue, yaque, jan4insight

        planning to do just that is the group that was recently rounded up around the upper midwest, but mainly in Michigan and Indiana - planning (and training) to shoot police (and elected sheriffs) and then wait in ambush to shoot responders.

        "If you go all day without hitting or biting anyone, it was a good day." Patrick, age 4

        by Meggie on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:22:01 PM PST

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        •  Those individuals do not represent the whole. (0+ / 0-)

          Just like the fact that some Germans were Nazis does not make all Germans killers.

          Or just like the fact that a few people have said a few extreme things on the Daily Kos that have been quoted out-of-context does not make the whole Daily Kos as radical as Fox News wants to make us out to be.

          We should not sink to stereotyping.  We should be better than to sink this low.

          A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

          by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:30:53 PM PST

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          •  Wow, dude... are you REALLY equating the radical (5+ / 0-)
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            elliott, Tempus Figits, Jeff Y, yaque, BookWarm

            right with the progressive left and Daily Kos?  Please.

            And the diarist is QUITE correct that there are many in the radical right that have been and continue to train for war against the government, people of color, and others.  The most recent case was the Christian Patriot Movement linked Hutaree Militia in Michigan, a radical Christianist, survivalist paramilitary group that deliberately plotted to kill police officers and other government officials in the interest of starting a Christian Dominionist war against the non-believers.

            Your equivalencies really do smack of apologies for the radical right, whether you intend it or not.  

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

            by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:43:15 PM PST

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          •  You are one dumbass nitpicking MFer (2+ / 0-)
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            Knarfc, yaque

            The quote clearly identifies the extremist right as buying guns and training to kill elected officials.  Not all of the right, the extremist right.

            Meggie reminds us of the story from not so long ago of the terrorists in MI who were planning exactly what Meggie repeated.  Lets check the dictionary shall we?

            ex·trem·ist
            [ik-stree-mist]
            –noun

            1. a person who goes to extremes, esp. in political matters.
            1. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.

            Are you crying because they could have included the word some so your panties don't get in a wad?  Jesus H Christ you crybaby, grow the fuck up.

            These people are right wing domestic terrorists.  The pot is black.  Deal with it.

      •  It's not over the top... (2+ / 0-)
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        Vtdblue, yaque

        In fact it's true...when Obama was elected....gun and safe sales went through the roof.

        The right-wingers that are buying the weapons and safes are training in the woods/deserts to protect themselves from and kill elected officials...

        That desert around Tucson that the Sheriff described today as a mecca for racists and wingers...is also a mecca for militias in training...

        So you HR is out of line...

      •  They did..... (0+ / 0-)

        ...today.

        British Petroleum: I think that means it's foreign oil.

        by Bensdad on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:39:55 PM PST

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    •  You need to correct this... (1+ / 0-)
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      bushondrugs

      One of his videos also suggests that he may have applied to join the Army at a recruiting station in Phoenix. It says he received a miniature Bible before taking tests there, and that he did not write a belief on his application form, so a recruiter wrote "none."

      Army officials said Saturday night that he had tried to enlist but had been rejected for military service. Privacy rules prevented them from disclosing the reason.

      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 03:48:13 AM PST

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  •  You mean attempted murder? (2+ / 0-)
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    bushondrugs, FiredUpInCA

    I just got back from a night out and your diary gave me a scare.

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:02:57 PM PST

  •  Please tone down your headline. (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    I would rather not see Gabrielle Giffords dishonored by such inflammatory rhetoric.  Thanks.

    A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

    by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:03:24 PM PST

    •  How is this inflammatory? (2+ / 0-)
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      yaque, Miep

      Fox New's Blames Daily Kos for Violent Actions Against Elected Politicians

      And if the diarist has changed it since you originally read it, you should get rid of your donut.  What's the beef, otherwise?

      [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

      by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:20:09 PM PST

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      •  Original headline said "murder" of Gabrielle. (0+ / 0-)

        A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

        by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:23:16 PM PST

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        •  Changed, then. Protocol calls for dropping the (1+ / 0-)
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          yaque

          HR, as a courtesy for due diligence on recommended corrections.

          [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

          by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:44:45 PM PST

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          •  The headline was not my reason for the HR. (1+ / 0-)
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            TurkeyCreek

            The diary claims without proof that the shooter was "actually a devoted Tea Party Member."

            The diary also accuses the extremist right (in a stereotyping manner) of training to kill elected officials.  If the diarist knows of a specific group that is currently training to kill people, I suggest that he or she contact the proper authorities.  I am sure that many Kossacks can vouch for having extreme right family members who aren't planning to commit murder.

            If the diarist corrects those statements, I will remove my HR.

            A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

            by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:55:10 PM PST

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            •  Don't know about your or others' family members, (3+ / 0-)
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              Jake Williams, yaque, jan4insight

              but there's one hell of a lot of radical right wingers that are indeed "training to kill elected officials."  

              I could give you oodles of documentation of this, but you might want to do some reading on the Christian Patriot Movement, the Posse Comitatus group, Joel's Army, the Hutaree Militia, the Michigan Militia, and literally hundreds of other groups around the country.  See the DHS Report and the Southern Poverty Law Center reports for further info.  (and FWIW, I study this stuff for a living).

              This...

              The diary also accuses the extremist right (in a stereotyping manner) of training to kill elected officials.  If the diarist knows of a specific group that is currently training to kill people, I suggest that he or she contact the proper authorities.  I am sure that many Kossacks can vouch for having extreme right family members who aren't planning to commit murder.

              ... is either disingenuous, or based on a lack of knowledge of the large minority within the radical right wing that are most definitely plotting violence.

              [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

              by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:05:21 PM PST

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      •  well, A, it is a lie (1+ / 0-)
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        bushondrugs

        O'reilley wasn't even on today.  I watched Fox and never saw them "blame Daily Kos" for the crime.  And the only person who claimed he was a "trained soldier" was a Democratic Congresswoman who said he was an Afghan War vet, also false.  

  •  I was in and out of Fox a lot today (11+ / 0-)

    so the kids could see the difference in the coverage. I didn't see anything like you're expressing in the diary, but I did enjoy watching them pick and choose the specific details about the shooter that supported their agenda: The Communist Manifesto on his books list, his hatred of God, etc.

    They also talked about Gifford being a former Republican. A lot.

    "Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable decent people who are willing to subject themselves to serving public office." Sheriff Dupnik, AZ

    by voracious on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:03:39 PM PST

  •  no evidence that the shooter was a Tea Partier (15+ / 0-)

    or a kossack or anything other than a severely disturbed loner.

    Actual details will emerge in time, let's not sink to their level by making assumptions.

    •  really? (3+ / 0-)
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      Shockwave, Knarfc, Vtdblue

      anything other than a severely disturbed loner.

      Actual details will emerge in time, let's not sink to their level by making assumptions.

      So you make an assumption while saying that?!

      "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

      by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:07:58 PM PST

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      •  I think he's likely right (1+ / 0-)
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        Vtdblue

        the question is whether the guy was acting alone, or whether he was used as a weapon, so to speak.

        "One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde

        by Miep on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:11:35 PM PST

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        •  name me one person who called him a loner (2+ / 0-)
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          hatrabbit, Vtdblue

          who has known him in the past two years.

          "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

          by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:15:29 PM PST

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          •  I'm new to this story (1+ / 0-)
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            Catte Nappe

            as are just about all of us, but there have been some quotes in the press from his schoolmates.

            "One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde

            by Miep on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:16:30 PM PST

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          •  as it stands, it's the only info we have (3+ / 0-)

            It's not the complete picture, certainly, but it's the only info we have right now.

            Either way, the claim that he's been proven to be a Tea Partier is flatly false.

          •  They're looking for "an accomplice," so he can't (1+ / 0-)
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            cedar park

            be a TOTAL "loner," if indeed he had help perpetrating this!  I.e., I agree.

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

            by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:22:04 PM PST

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          •  here's your loner quote (1+ / 0-)
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            bushondrugs

            "We've been able to take that natural Human gesture, of sympathy, and elevate it into a political lobby for a change" Bob Geldof on Q TV

            by yuriwho on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:28:50 PM PST

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            •  I'll add that this reminds me of how Columbine (3+ / 0-)
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              Pescadero Bill, alizard, cedar park

              developed in the news.The media latched onto the fact that the shooters were loners who players video games. I suspect this will head in the same direction of distraction from the real motives.

              "We've been able to take that natural Human gesture, of sympathy, and elevate it into a political lobby for a change" Bob Geldof on Q TV

              by yuriwho on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:31:44 PM PST

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              •  Correct, anything not to tie him in with the (0+ / 0-)

                extremist right-wing political movement in this country or the Tea Party directly.

                The media will latch on to anything to create that distraction.

                If people are wondering why, it's because many in the media are right-wing and even have an affection for the Tea Party and its phony "grass roots" origins that they saw as a counter to that of the left.

                They reveled in it and are now trying desperately to create a distinction between this guy and the Tea Party to protect it.

                Iv'e already seen Wolfe Blitzer on CNN doing it.

            •  come on! (1+ / 0-)
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              Vtdblue

              "When we found out we went to high school with him, personally I didn't recognize the name, but then when we looked up in the high school yearbook...I knew exactly who it was," said one classmate.

              High school? Really? So you are going to listen to people who were kids responding to another kid that they did not even know during high school?

              Can we all grow the fuck up?!

              "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

              by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:33:45 PM PST

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              •  You seem to easily ruffled (1+ / 0-)
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                bushondrugs

                I made a very calm fact based link to current media Article from a reporter who spoke with several peers.

                You respond with swearing?

                "We've been able to take that natural Human gesture, of sympathy, and elevate it into a political lobby for a change" Bob Geldof on Q TV

                by yuriwho on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:37:03 PM PST

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                •  they are NOT his peers. (0+ / 0-)

                  They were people who went to the same high school with him years ago.

                  Stop.

                  "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

                  by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:39:36 PM PST

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                  •  How do you know they aren't still his peers? (0+ / 0-)

                    Lots of people in community college are still peers with the people they went to high school with.  

                    A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

                    by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:46:41 PM PST

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                    •  um, b/c the quotes are from people (0+ / 0-)

                      who went to hs with him. Not one quote from someone that went to community college with him.

                      Stop it now.

                      "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

                      by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:54:38 PM PST

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                      •  My kids are in college with people they went (0+ / 0-)

                        to high school with.

                        That's not uncommon for community college.  

                        How do you know so much about this shooter, that you can say that all of the people who knew him and spoke about him weren't his peers?

                        A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

                        by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:57:48 PM PST

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                        •  wow. ok. let's work with the facts we have. (0+ / 0-)

                          i know you are able to do that. All the "loner" quotes are from people from his HS. Not one of the quotes are from his former HS mates that ALSO stated they went to the community college with him or who stated that they actually knew or know him.

                          "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

                          by cedar park on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:00:01 PM PST

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              •  He was a loner up until today. (0+ / 0-)

                He was still living with his parents as of the time of the shooting.  He did not have any friends speaking up to say that they knew him well, just a few acquaintances.  High school was only a couple of years ago for this guy.

                Even if he had an accomplice to these murders (and that's not been proven one way or the other), having an accomplice does not make a person a social butterfly.

                A loner is simply "a person who avoids or does not actively seek human interaction or prefers to be alone."

                He will likely continue to be a loner in prison.

                A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

                by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:42:43 PM PST

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          •  He wasn't even alone today, (0+ / 0-)

            I'm interested to find out about the man in his fifties who was with the shooter, and wondering if there may have been a little 'coaching' going on.

            Conservative: Someone who'll steal your boots then tell you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

            by hatrabbit on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:39:45 PM PST

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      •  Information about the shooter: (2+ / 0-)
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        Catte Nappe, frankzappatista

        From Wikipedia:

        Caiti Parker, who knew the suspect in high school four years ago, described him as a loner and political radical who was left-wing or liberal at the time and obsessed with the 2012 phenomenon.

        The part about him being a loner is not an assumption.  It's how he is described by people who knew him.

        A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

        by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:13:21 PM PST

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      •  that's based on comments from an old friend (2+ / 0-)
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        yuriwho, bushondrugs

        who said he had become extremely reclusive between 2007 and 2010. I would also base that on the fact that people who show signs of paranoid schizophrenia tend not to be social butterflies.

        I could be wrong, certainly, but we haven't seen any evidence that this guy was involved in any kind of political activity.

      •  There may have been a 2nd conspirator (0+ / 0-)

        Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action -1.75 -7.23

        by Shockwave on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:07:47 PM PST

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  •  Delete this crap. (8+ / 0-)

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:05:10 PM PST

  •  No evidence of this (9+ / 0-)

    The individual who carried out the attack was actually a devoted Tea Party Member.

  •  A sense a troll. And all these vids have (3+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, Pluto, bushondrugs

    been diaried here before.

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.

    by amk for obama on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:11:20 PM PST

  •  We all know what Fox is (0+ / 0-)

    They lie, they spin and they defend people who kill.  They even put D's by R'
    who are politicians and get caught doing something.  They project.    They are trying to cover for palin, she is a a Fox contributor.....She does not deserve a capitol in her name.

    I had hopes that a level of civility would be reached  over this tragedy but it may just bring on more division with each side blaming each other.  We know who her Daddy blames.  if this turns to more rhetoric than this country has not gone bac 50 years but clear back to the old west days.   I am at a loss for words with the diary.  Fox is Fox and they attack.  Perfect name for a so called news agency..The Fox.  Sly,cunning and dangerous.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

    by Vetwife on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:15:26 PM PST

  •  I did see a reference to DailyKos on Fox tonight (0+ / 0-)

    On Geraldo in the 12am hour, a guy from a group called Tea Party 365 (I believe) brought up the Kos diary from a few days ago where a diaristsaid Giffords was "dead to him" because she voted against Nancy Pelosi.    

    A poor choice of words in hindsight, but obviously, nothing more than that.

  •  You say that Loughner is a devoted Tea (2+ / 0-)
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    Party member.  Is that true?

    Does anyone know if that's true?

    I didn't hear or see that yet.

    About the flag burning video:  it reminded me of the KKK burning the flag and the mask the guy was wearing looked like a hood.

    Just saying:  I heard some right-wing nutjob saying that the flag burning video means the guy is left wing, but the KKK's burning of flag def ain't a left wing thing.

  •  "Attack was actually a devoted Tea-Party" (2+ / 0-)
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    bushondrugs, Jose Bidenio

    member...

    Not a shred of evidence to support that statement.  Not yet, at least.

    No doubt that you could create a corollary to right wing vitriol.  

    But at least be honest in your argument.  

    "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what."

    by peacemaker33 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:25:03 PM PST

  •  Who Is "They"? (5+ / 0-)

    You make a claim and offer no evidence.  I monitored Fox News most of the day and into the night and saw nothing of the kind.

    Shep was strictly business and while the dual hosts that followed him and some correspondents committed sins of omission, they did not make stuff up.

    I can't say the same for you.

    You hide behind the excuse of being unable to produce a link.  Unless and until you do your own homework and provide same, this diary is inflammatory and little else.

    "ingratiation and access . . . are not corruption." -- Justice Kennedy (Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 2010)

    by Limelite on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:25:15 PM PST

    •  They mentioned DK (1+ / 0-)
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      But it was to demonstrate passionate (and yes, vitriol)exists on both sides.

      Maybe they made another reference that I'm not aware of.  

      But I'm betting on "This diarist doesn't know what he/ she is talking about".

      Not even FoxNews is so absurd to make a DK/ Loughner connection.

      "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what."

      by peacemaker33 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:32:57 PM PST

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      •  The Diarist's Characterization Is Specious (0+ / 0-)

        and, I believe, deliberately deceptive.

        A banable offense, I also believe.

        "ingratiation and access . . . are not corruption." -- Justice Kennedy (Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 2010)

        by Limelite on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:39:12 PM PST

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        •  How do you figure that? I've seen far worse (0+ / 0-)

          unsupportable suppositions by Kossacks garner hundreds of recs.  Methinks you're being hyperbolic.  

          [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

          by Vtdblue on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:53:57 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Paid Drone (1+ / 0-)
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          bushondrugs

          This guy (bookwarm)is an paid Drone...
          These folks fly around the net.. search out sites to place and incite...Hate, distrust.. and their way of life and government.

          They do not need truth or facts..

          Everyone needs to do their homework..

          These drones are mostly hired guns from internal/external groups to raise your guns against the free world..

          ITT's

          Be aware..

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      •  Why would they mention Daily Kos (2+ / 0-)
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        bushondrugs, Vtdblue

        Period when an incident like this occurs? It's an attempt to focus on the web and certain websites to point out that loons or lunatics get their ideas from these sources!

        "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

        by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:39:36 PM PST

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        •  Maybe it was an attempt to bring focus to DK (2+ / 0-)
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          Don't know.  Don't care.  

          But they didn't try to deflect today's events to DK.  

          The diarist is either not telling the truth, or feels like there is some value in making an argument that's not true.

          Either way.  It's not true.  

          "Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what."

          by peacemaker33 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:43:18 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You (0+ / 0-)

            Sound like a Fox News contributor.. when events like these occurs Fox News shouldn't mention website by name or blame it on the web period! Now your going to always say something against that but we all know what line of work your in. How much they paying you at Fox News? I know the Saudi's have a pretty large chunk of their investments in your new media. Seems to me that you sir support Autocracy's, and financiers of the Bin Laden Family. You sir smell like a terrorist to me!

            "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

            by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:00:50 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah Okay (0+ / 0-)

      Sure Im going to go to Fox New productions and grab the video from them directly.

      "If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." -Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

      by BookWarm on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 10:42:41 PM PST

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  •  Yeah, the right-wing hate machine is def (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush Bites, Vtdblue

    in damage control.

    I just turned FOX on.

  •  Link please (1+ / 0-)
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    bushondrugs

    The individual who carried out the attack was actually a devoted Tea Party Member.

    There is (currently) zero proof for this statement.  You need to either retract it or back it up.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:05:23 PM PST

  •  Doesn't matter. (2+ / 0-)
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    Jake Williams, BookWarm

    All the misspelled hate mail she got from the Teabaggers will come out soon.

    And they'll be scrambling....

    Republicans are terrorists.

    by Bush Bites on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:09:20 PM PST

  •  This latest edit to the diary also isn't proven. (2+ / 0-)
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    begone, peacemaker33

    To the diarist:  I appreciate that you have removed the unproven assertion about the shooter being a documented member of the Tea Party, you replaced that statement with a new unproven statement:

    The individual who carried out the attack was actually a "trained soldier in the army".

    This new statement is not true.  Jared Loughner was attending community college until 2010, and he also was living with his parents.

    Wikipedia has references for the following statement, if you care to look them up:

    The U.S. Army confirmed that Loughner had been rejected as "unqualified" from the service in 2008, but declined to further disclose their reasons for doing so under confidentiality rules.

    How can he be a trained soldier in the Army, if the Army rejected him as "unqualified"?  

    A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

    by bushondrugs on Sat Jan 08, 2011 at 11:40:19 PM PST

  •  the blood is on the hands of the Right (0+ / 0-)

    Shrinks call this "projection", you accuse someone else of doing what you are guilty of. The GOP elite have been using this regularly to respond to critics of their own racism and extremism.
    You have these right wing media psychopaths feasting on (& profiting from) economic anxiety in the US pumped up by their outright lies. And the GOP political elite give in to these dangerous nutcases for their own agendas even if they know they are damaging the country. Repubs in favor of sensible end of life counseling spinelessly dumped their convictions after Palin's sick and depraved "death panel" statement. Doing something good for the citizens was less important than parading around in front of mobs of drooling teabagger nutcases.
      Right wing extremism is a far bigger threat to our security and freedom than al Queda.

  •  Good. (0+ / 0-)

    We will get more readers. All publicity is good publicity.

    I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

    by CherryTheTart on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 04:08:12 AM PST

  •  Deception (0+ / 0-)

    Mao Tse-Tung - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
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