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Add another to the list of Republican groups who are dumping Scott Brown. The National Republican Trust, which supported him to the tune of $95,000 last year,

will work to defeat him in the state’s Republican primary next year.

“We believe the Democrats’ policies are destroying the country. Why let them take a Republican vote with them?” Scott Wheeler, the group’s leader, told National Journal last week.

Brown is doubtless sweating bullets over a challenge from his right as he launches a book tour and announces he has $7 million cash on hand.

A Democrat should pose a more plausible threat to Brown keeping his seat -- but which Dem? Rep. Michael Capuano, the second-place finisher in the Democratic primary last time around, will be deciding over the summer. Alan Khazei, the third-place finisher, also appears to be keeping his options open without committing. In fact, at this point, there's just one "real" (per Swing State Project) candidate:

Bob Massie was the 1994 candidate for Lt. Governor, but he's better known for his entrepreneurial work, which includes investing in a fair amount of socially conscious stuff. He also has quite the interesting resume: Episcopal priest with a Harvard Business Ph.D who also happens to be one of the longest-surviving HIV patients ever.

There's also continuing hopeful buzz around Elizabeth Warren.

Meanwhile, Doug Rubin, former chief of staff to Gov. Deval Patrick, took to the conservative Boston Herald to throw out a few more names. And what a list it is. Let's get the big one out of the way first: Rubin suggests Martha Coakley:

Remember, Rocky won the rematch against Apollo Creed. Coakley showed grace and determination after her loss to Brown, and won re-election as AG easily. She’s been a consistent advocate for consumers, and her new public corruption unit shows she is willing to tackle the tough issues head on.

Coakley is doing excellent work as AG. Massachusetts is lucky to have her in that capacity. Just no. Not only should Coakley not run for Senate again, the very earth around the remnants of her pathetic campaign should be sowed with salt.

Which brings us to Senate President Therese Murray, of whom Rubin says:

She has done an admirable job leading the Senate, helping guide the state through economic uncertainty, difficult budgets and a spate of ethics issues. She was also a driving force and steady hand in the Coakley campaign. In a field that would benefit greatly from a strong female presence, Murray may be the strongest.

I don't particularly share Rubin's admiration for Murray's work in the state Senate. But in addition, she was one of Coakley's key surrogates last year, and that means that the salt we're sowing would affect her, too.

The crack Rubin is apparently smoking also led him to suggest Rep. Jim McGovern, who is an excellent congressman and generally known to be a House lifer without any interest in this race; Warren Tolman, a principled Democrat with lots of good positions who was last seen in politics losing a gubernatorial primary to the person who went on to lose to Mitt Romney; and state party chair John Walsh. Blue Mass Group hails Walsh as a grassroots superhero who was instrumental in holding the state in 2010 -- but being a good behind-the-scenes organizer doesn't automatically make you a compelling candidate.

Most likely, Rubin was currying favor with or offering pats on the head to various people who are influential enough in state politics to merit some kind of lip service despite not being good prospects for a run against a relatively popular senator with a ton of cash on hand. But did he think we wouldn't notice he was engaging in crazy talk?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:40 AM PST.

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  •  Are there any Kossacks out there... (5+ / 0-)

    that are willing to run? More of us need to start doing instead of just blogging -- says the guy who's been away for a while since he's been doing instead of blogging. And if it weren't for Snowpocalypse 2011, I'd be out doing now too...

    I used to be depressed. Now I maintain a positive attitude just to piss off my demons.

    by Timroff on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:42:54 AM PST

  •  Right-wingers are going to do a (5+ / 0-)

    McDonnell-Castle to beat Scott Brown in the Massachusetts primary.  Could they be more oblivious?

    Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

    by Greasy Grant on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:45:18 AM PST

    •  There were only two possible outcomes (8+ / 0-)

      to Brown's victory: either he marched with the wingers, kept the Republican nomination and lost in November to whichever Dem was nominated (no, not Coakley), or he tried to split the difference and "represent" Massachusetts, which is what he's done.

      IMO, he made the right choice, but once the smoke cleared and the political temperament of the state self-corrected, he'd inevitably be in a very tough position.

      I'd be happy to see Capuano get the nom, don't know enough about Khazei, and while Massie is appealing I think he'd face too many questions about his health, especially in a race for a seat originally vacated by the passing of the incumbent.

      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:06:10 AM PST

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      •  Exactly so (6+ / 0-)

        Brown is perhaps the least odious of Republican Senators. Undoubtedly he'll get a challenge, but he'll probably do what Olympia Snowe is expected to do: Declare himself an independent. He would not be that easy to defeat in the General Election. It would make for a great story, you know:

        A truly independent voice representing only the people of Massachusetts.

        "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

        by Demi Moaned on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:14:41 AM PST

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        •  Yep. (7+ / 0-)

          I agree, I expect Snowe to jump ship if she's primaried out, following the Murkowski example, and with similar results. Although the comparison that came to my mind wasn't Snowe. It was Lieberman.;^)

          I'm not sure this would work for Brown, chiefly because unlike all the people I've just discussed, he's a newbie. Voters don't have a problem following an established pol out of their party because they feel they're getting a known quantity(how's that working out for you, CT voters?). But is Brown already such a reliable brand that he could pull votes without relying on party affiliation? Not to mention party GOTV and financial support?

          The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

          by sidnora on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:24:50 AM PST

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          •  The difference is in when (3+ / 0-)

            If he waits until he loses the Republican primary, it's problematic. Does the law even allow him to do something like Lieberman did?

            But if there's a serious right-wing challenge, he could just skip the primary and declare himself an independent while decrying extremism in both parties.

            "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

            by Demi Moaned on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:31:33 AM PST

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          •  MA is way too blue (1+ / 0-)
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            I see an analog in Ben Nelson's reelection bid. Unless the "independent" steals enough support from the other party, registered voters don't appear to cross party lines. Scotty would either have to draw a feckless Dem nominee or pull off superhuman feats of bipartisanship.

        •  "Least odious" to us... (2+ / 0-)

          ...probably makes him EXTREMELY vulnerable to the RINO charge.

          So even if he side-steps the GOP and runs "indie", he still needs to siphon off close to 40% of likely GOP voters to prevail in November. With a GOP Presidential candidate at minimum singing the praises of the official GOP nominee, that could be a very tough threshold to reach.

          The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

          by Egalitare on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:37:18 AM PST

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          •  Just like Obama sang the praises of Ned Lamont? (1+ / 0-)
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            The GOP Presidential candidate is not going to spend much time or money in Massachusetts and might be disinclined to interfere in the party's best chance to hold the seat.

            "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

            by Demi Moaned on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:40:32 AM PST

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            •  It's a different dynamic in the GOP (2+ / 0-)

              Party loyalty matters a great deal more to likely GOP voters.

              Brown is NOT an "institution" - he's a guy who threaded the needle in a special election against a Democratic candidate who made several tactical errors and failed to make peace with the Greater Boston Democratic "machine."

              The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

              by Egalitare on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:44:29 AM PST

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              •  The Greater Boston Democratic machine (1+ / 0-)
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                Is regarded as an institution of corruption out here in Western Mass. Even a Western MA local loses state-wide, if they are seen to be in the pocket of the politicos in Boston.

                Their support is the kiss of death out here.

                •  Sort of a broad brush. (0+ / 0-)

                  I think you're overstating things a tad. Plus, Western Mass is heavily Democratic but has relatively low population, so as much as I would like its influence to be greater, the fact is almost any D is going to win the region by a lot but it won't be enough without a strong performance in significant other non-Boston areas.

                  •  Agreed, low pop in western mass (0+ / 0-)

                    and they do vote overwhelmingly democratic. But don't underestimate the 'ick' factor of a politician seen as in the pocket of the Boston Dem Machine.

                    I forget the name of politician from the north berkshires who ran for governor a few years back (female politician). Same election when Reich ran in the primary. The Boston machine sandbagged Reich's campaign, and this politician got through. The stain of those shenanigans got her tagged as another patron of the boston machine. It negated her drawing power in western mass. She lost.

                    I can't even remember her name.

        •  yeah, like Bernie Sanders (1+ / 0-)
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          oops... is Brown a socialist?  Bernie is.

          How about that Barney Frank, now that his Chairmanship is up and a rep is going to have to bite the bullet as MASS loses one in the next cycle.  He is never going to be the first gay Speaker of the House thanks to his little scandal back when but as a Senator, he'd make a good run.  

          Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

          by john from vermont on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:45:33 AM PST

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          •  Now that's a good idea! (0+ / 0-)

            I'd love to have Barney Frank in the Senate.

            "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

            by Demi Moaned on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:01:30 AM PST

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          •  Barnie's too close to the bankers (1+ / 0-)

            Even if he is a little to the left of Obama. unfortunately, that's not saying much. Being gay is not a drawback to the Democratic base in MA. Might even give him a modest boost.

            But being close to the bankers is sheer political poison these days, not that Obama seems to notice or care.

            We need a populist candidate in the Kennedy mold running against Brown. Who ever runs on the democratic side, they better start warming up their attacks on Obama's economic policies, or we'll be watching Brown sworn in for a 6 year term.

            Alongside a Republican President.

            •  come off it about (0+ / 0-)

              Barney and the banks... the banks hate Barney and are glad to be rid of him as chairman.  He is not in bed with the banks.  People who know Barney knows that he is as progressive as he can be when it comes to being in office.  The problem for Barney was all the other jerks in Congress and the lobbyists... one guy can not rewrite the banking laws of America.  It takes a movement. To put that on his shoulders is like putting us all in league with the internet advertisers who use this site.

              Just because I am stuck with AT&T, am I in bed with them because I give them money every month.  Get me a progressive phone company owned by their workers and I will use it. Voters know more about Barney and the banks then this silly line about "being close to the bankers"  

              Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

              by john from vermont on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:17:25 AM PST

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              •  I didn't say he was 'in bed' (0+ / 0-)

                I said he was seen as 'too close'. Insiders may know a different tale, but out here in the cheap seats, it all looks the same to us.

                This may have more to do with Obama than Bernie, but unless we start putting as much distance as we can between this party and Obama's economic policies, we're all going down with the ship.

                •  typo correction (0+ / 0-)

                  I meant 'Barney'

                  •  well everyone has firsts. (0+ / 0-)

                    There was a first African American senator, a first Latino Senator, A first Woman Senator, so this would be a real opportunity for a first gay Senator, which is historic. I can't think of any other place right now where this could happen except in Vermont.  Why not go with history. and Barney is a strong candidate and with his bank connections, lol and joking, he might be able to raise the funds needed to beat Brown who has lots of money. He certainly would get a lot of support around the country outside of MASS financially speaking.  He has done lots of favors in campaigning for people for years and is well known.

                    Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

                    by john from vermont on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 10:38:25 AM PST

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                    •  personally (0+ / 0-)

                      I'd prefer a populist. We need someone to oppose Washington from the left-side of the room.

                      I won't vote for anyone who even has the slightest whiff of the neoliberal bullshit that dominates this party.

                      And I'm not sure I'd trust anyone who was in the room during the 2008 economic meltdown, unless I saw them puking over the railing and walking out in disgust before agreement was made. Tough luck for Barney, but he's been doing deals too long in Washington.

                      I'd rather vote for someone willing to bring a torch to the place and drive these scoundrels out of office, be they Democrat or Republican.

                      Too bad the Boston Machine burned Robert Reich. Now that would be a Democrat I could vote for. Even if he did teach at Harvard.

      •  Capuano would be fine (0+ / 0-)

        Elizabeth Warren would be tremendous! Any indications she'd actually run?

  •  Joe Kennedy (1+ / 0-)
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    How strong a candidate would Joe Kennedy be?

  •  Is there a Repub with a bigger truck? (4+ / 0-)

    Guy on a book tour doesn't sound like a reg'lar 'merican who drives a pickup.

  •  Brown sweating bullets over challenge from right? (8+ / 0-)

    I should think he'd be sweating a lot more if there were no challenge from the right.

    Boys and girls, you're a mite mixed up here.  This is the wrong 'M' state for that kind of talk.  We're talking Massachusetts, not Mississippi or Montana or even Missouri.

    A challenge from the right is exactly what Brown needs to prevail in the general.  He will be reasonable by comparison, and it will sink Democratic efforts to paint him as an right-wing extremist.

    Brown is a good campaigner and personally appealing.  The answer in Massachusetts is to realize that he is not an automatic loser in 2012 and find an opponent who's willing to work as hard as Brown did last year, and knows how to sparkle.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:50:12 AM PST

    •  That was sarcasm. (3+ / 0-)

      Obviously he's not sweating a challenge from the right.

    •  I think Mike Capuano would do well. I supported (6+ / 0-)

      him the last time.  

      Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by CIndyCasella on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:10:21 AM PST

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      •  I like Capuano too (4+ / 0-)

        The more I looked at him the more I liked him. Alan Khazei is a blowhard and  irritating to listen to. He can't appeal to blue collar voters in Southie or Coakley's territory in the west -  the very voters who went for Ted Kennedy and Scott Brown. Capuano can appeal to those folks, if he can get his name known outside the Boston area.

        •  Alan Khazei is a blowhard? (1+ / 0-)
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          The guy graduated from Harvard Law and instead of practicing founded City Year, a program that helped inspire President Clinton to create AmeriCorps. When funding for AmeriCorps was slashed by the Republicans, Mr. Khazei was a key leader in saving the program. He worked side-by-side with Ted Kennedy on service programs including the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act.

          While Mr. Khazei is not a great orator, he ran circles around the other candidates in 2009 in terms of breadth and depth of knowledge across nearly every issue.

          I really don't give a rat's ass if a Senator is irritating to listen to. I mean, really? You're dismissing him because you don't like the way he talks?

      •  He's my rep (1+ / 0-)
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        Every time I've checked up on a vote, he's agreed with me.  So, yeah, I'd love to see him in the Senate.

        I'm special. Everyone is.

        by lilnev on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:06:23 AM PST

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    •  He may not be an automatic loser, but (3+ / 0-)

      however moderate he attempts to appear, he'll still be faced with the Repug version of the Blue-Dog-in-a-blue-state problem: why vote for a fake Democrat when you can have a real one?

      If someone as personally well-liked and established as Lincoln Chafee couldn't hold his seat in RI, and that with as liberal a voting record as a Republican could have in these times, why should Brown, now with a voting record he has to run on, be any less vulnerable in MA?

      The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:13:10 AM PST

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      •  In this state (1+ / 0-)
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        A challenge to Brown from the right, will likely boost his credibility to the wider electorate. Doubly true, if the Democrats send up another lame-ass Boston politician, with an investor-class economic program.

        Chaffee lost in a wave election. Brown will benefit from a demoralized poor and working class electorate that will not be showing up in the same numbers they did in 2008. Indeed, I think Obama's grip on MA is far weaker than his supporters realize. The fact that Brown is a senator from this state should be all the red flag you need to know how much Obama's economic policies are stinking up the room.

        Just as many Dems slid into power on Obama's coattails in 2008, he is in danger of sinking just as many in 2012. How far will other Democratic party candidates have to run from his policies in order to save themselves?

        They best start cueing up to the starting line, because distance will be the measure of their success.

        •  What are you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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          12/3/10 PPP polling data show that Obama has 55/40 (approve/disapprove) numbers and is blowing all GOP comers out of the water by double-digit margins.

          Scott Brown needs to win a big chunk of Dem voters in a presidential year. Scott Brown should be as favored to win in MA as Ben Nelson is to win in NE. Unless, of course, a weak Dem is nominated.

          •  This is precisely (1+ / 0-)
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            the kind of smoke up our ass polling argument that leads to rampant overconfidence and leads stupid politicians to follow their press releases right into the loser collumn.

            Yeah, I read those polls too, and it don't compute. The republicans ran against Obama in the last election and we got our asses kicked. Badly. More than half the people who voted for Obama stayed home. And many of those who did, voted with their anger.

            Yet, 'magically' Obama's standing in the polls recovered almost immediately. Nothing on the ground changed, except that Republicans won and obama faded to the right, further pissing off his electoral base.

            As for brown, his fortunes hang on Obama's. If MA comes out strong for obama, he's toast. If Obama fails to bring out the vote, Brown has a chance.

            •  I'm not saying that I'm one of them, but (0+ / 0-)

              an awful lot of people seem to think that Obama got a lot of his game back over the past month or two. Of course this month is still a long way away from Nov. 2012.

              I agree that 2012 hangs on the jobs picture, both nationally and in the states. It would also help if the MA Democratic party chooses a good candidate and takes the race seriously this time (though I can't imagine they'd do otherwise after last time).

              Special elections can be funny things. My money is still on a real Dem winning the seat back in a normal presidential year.

              The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

              by sidnora on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 05:11:58 PM PST

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              •  That's the hype machine (1+ / 0-)
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                Only a fool believes his own press releases. The only poll that matters was three months ago and we got our asses royally kicked.

                i've seen nothing on the street to suggest the mood toward this party has changed. Any more than i see any of those magical jobs Obama has supposedly 'created.

                A real democrat can take back Kennedy's seat, but they will have to run against the national dems to do it.

      •  well put (1+ / 0-)
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        I do find it interesting that Brown is getting his name on all kinds of bipartisan bills: with Wyden on ACA tweak, with Klobuchar on R&D investment in sciences, etc.

        Someone would have to run the numbers to see how many Dems Scotty needs to crossover for him, but my gut says it's a tough slog. In the mini-wave year of 2002 Romney didn't even crack 50% in his oft-touted gubernatorial bid. And Brown barely eked out 50+1 with race regressing to mean in the final days.

        If Capuano jumps in and doesn't screw up too bad, he's my bet.

  •  i don't know much about ma politics, but (2+ / 0-)
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    i have wondered if we would see brown eventually try to change his stripes and ask for refuge as a democrat...
  •  Rachel Maddow (7+ / 0-)

    I know, it'll never happen, but Americans are still allowed to dream. For now...

  •  Don't underestimate Bob Massie... (1+ / 0-)
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    he's already running a campaign similar to the one that put Deval Patrick back into the governor's seat, lots of face to face work. He has stared down death most of his life and will not be easily intimidated from his progressive stance.

  •  MA Reps need to step up to the plate (3+ / 0-)

    and secure the seat for Dems.  Surely one of them could win easily and do a good job in the Senate.

    Coakley is a disaster waiting to repeat itself.

  •  Capuano (9+ / 0-)

    is my #1 choice, but not sure he'll be willing to give up his seat. McGovern is a treasure but doubt he will give up his seat either. Can't say I was all that impressed with Khazei the last time around -- and running against an incumbent is a very different matter.

    Not even going to comment on the mentions of Coakley and Murray. Just no. I'd like to see a woman get elected to one of the top offices here in MA just as much as the next female Democratic activist, but it needs to be someone who's got retail politics experience and legislative experience and who's not afriad to break some eggs to make an omelet -- in other words someone with some real political skills to take on all the coddling coverage that Brown will get. Sadly the MA Dems have long neglected cultivating solid female candidates like that. Capuano in contrast is right on all the issues and is an excellent campaigner and legislator. To me that's the standard for running for US Senate...we shall see. I hope Capuano goes for it, I really do.

    "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." ~ Bruce Springsteen

    by abs0628 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:54:59 AM PST

  •  marty meehan (3+ / 0-)

    but now that he is chancellor of UMASS Lowell he is "retired"

    Ed Markey?

    Deval Patrick?

    Tim Murray?

  •  Thanks to conservatives for suggesting we try the (4+ / 0-)

    same thing again.

    While the definition of insanity is to attempt the same thing and expect a different result, it is also inadvisable to take strategy suggestions from the people who are trying to beat you in a contest.

    Let's have MA run a strong Democrat.

    Don't make me meta. You wouldn't like me when I meta.

    by mungley on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 07:57:52 AM PST

    •  Here, here (0+ / 0-)

      This creep-show, Wall St.-friendly government is killing this party's support among everyone who doesn't make their money off their stock portfolios.

      How many people who lost their homes (or is in danger) in the past two years is going to vote Democratic? None. That's 7-10 million votes gone.

      How many people who've lost their jobs or seen their income drop through the floor are going to vote Democratic? Not too many. Another 20-40 million votes lost or endangered.

      How many poor people will vote Democratic? Not too many. There goes another 20-40 million votes.

      Add them up together and subtract the overlap and that's more than half the folks who voted for Obama in 2008, or about the same number of former Obama supporters who stayed home in 2010.

      Find your innner roosevelt, folks. Media-driven hype, aggressive GOTV and fearmongering won't cover that gap. People will be voting their economic interests or staying home if no one represents them. This party is in deep doo-doo.

      •  And it is the teapublican crap... (0+ / 0-)

        your pushing is the reason why it is hard to enthuse the base.  Your whole comment blames the Dems for the problems for the crash of the economy instead of stating the fact that is the Republican majority and Reaganomics (deregulation- or as I like to call it- de-lawing) that drove "the economy into the ditch.

        If you are a true progressive then join us and help.  If you are a troll Teapublican, go back to Redstate and let Glen Beck tell you what you should think and believe in.

        I was the youngest in my family growing up therefore I WAS the remote control.

        •  There's nothing 'tebag' or 'Republican' (0+ / 0-)

          about my politics.  I'm a New Deal Democrat. If you bothered to check my diary, my politics would be pretty clear.

          No the Dems didn't crash the economy, but some of Obama's economic advisers did, including Larry 'deregulate it' Summers, Bernanke, Geithner and the gang Obama brought over from Goldman Sachs.

          I had nothing to do with the downward spiraling fortunes of this party. Blame the politicians who fotgot to act like Democrats during a depression. You know, the ones who saved the banks and the markets and forgot about everyone in economic danger.

          I didn't send Axelrod out in front of the TV cameras two weeks before the last election to defend the banks against homeowners amid the exploding mortgage fraud crisis.

          That is precisely the kind of stupidity that got us creamed last November. And I've seen nothing but more of that dumb ass shit since then.

  •  I would support Elizabeth Warren for any office (5+ / 0-)

    she decides to run for.  Here's hoping she runs for the Senate.

    •  She would be an excellent senator (3+ / 0-)

      But how would she be as a candidate?

      The sad fact is that some people who would be excellent in the job they are running for really suck at actually running for the job. Coakley falls into that category.

      I don't think she has run for any office before, so she'd be an unknown quantity in that regard.

      •  also works the opposite way (2+ / 0-)

        a strong candidate like Obama ended up not being a very good government official in that he could not unite his base and his policies with the country.

        He still doesn't get it... sort of fun to watch give a speech and then he goes and blows it by putting in all those wall street muggers back in power.

        He is a walking advertisement for bad government but then when he runs again in 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if he won as he is a good candidate.

        The man is so arrogant that he has no idea what a good idea is if it slapped him up the face. How many bad republican ideas do we have to take in the next 2 years?

        Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

        by john from vermont on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:06:15 AM PST

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        •  "Change we can believe in" (0+ / 0-)

          is going to bite him in the ass the way that 'read my lips' killed Bush the Elder in 1992.

          We have a real problem. If the rest of the elected Democrats don't corner this guy ASAP, read him the riot act and get him to start acting like a Democrat - and not a banker's boy - 2012 is going to go very, very badly.

          I mean 1980 bad. Possibly worse.

    •  Realistically... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I know I don't know enough about Elizabeth Warren to know if she'd be a good senator. And what I do know doesn't convince me she'd be a great candidate, regardless of how good she might be in office.

      But she's just so ADORABLE. I know she's a fearless defender of all that's right and good, and I know she's got like nine Ph.Ds, and I don't mean to marginalize her with infantilizing language but OH MY GOD DON'T YOU JUST WANT TO PINCH THOSE EARNEST LITTLE CHEEKS.

      And come to think of it, the world's most fiscally responsible grandma might be a pretty good matchup against a slickster porn model.

      •  Are you so sure (0+ / 0-)

        you "don't want to marginalize her with infantilizing language"?  You could have fooled me.

        •  ditto (1+ / 0-)
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          i adore EW as much as the next person but yeesh with the adorable stuff! Frankly, I find her fairly bad ass myself. She's a powerful advocate and probably would make a very good legislator -- but I'm not at all sold on whether she could really do retail politics and savvy marketing/messaging during a campaign

          "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." ~ Bruce Springsteen

          by abs0628 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:39:17 AM PST

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        •  Pretty sure, thanks. (0+ / 0-)

          Look, the context is her viability as a candidate. She's hellaciously popular for going on Jon Stewart and being this stammering, too-guileless-to-do-anything-but-tell-it-straight, everyone's-favorite-professor type. That translates into a certain, nontrivial appeal at the polls, and before one casts Massachussetts's vote in the Senate, one must be elected Senator.

          That's something we're all going to be talking about a great deal, if she runs.

          So relax--it wasn't my intent to offend, or spoil some as-yet-undrafted product rollout for Candidate Warren.

  •  What about Joseph C. O'Brien (0+ / 0-)

    Worcester's mayor or Domenic Sarno, Springfield mayor?

    Do they have some political baggage?  Can't tell from Wiki whether O'Brien is R or D

    HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

    by HylasBrook on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:05:12 AM PST

  •  Brown looks set for now (1+ / 0-)
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    Doubt if he's sweating any challenges from the right, and, unfortunately, don't see any DEM candidates to beat him ( I worked for Capuano the last go around). Unless something major happens, which it always could, his clever mix of sometimes supporting DEMS/ opposing his party is keeping him popular with voters in MA.

    •  Brown can be beaten up (1+ / 0-)
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      But he's about as Republican as Massachusetts can possibly stand.

      Still, Democrats should not take MA for granted. Those of us too poor to have stock portfolios are furious at this party. This party is is deeper trouble than the leadership, their pollsters or press agents seem to understand.

      I'd hate to see the last few election repeated, but that's the way its gonna go, if this party doesn't start taking care of people where they live, instead of chasing their elitist dreams and their no-job economic policies.

    •  That's why we need a strong candidate to (1+ / 0-)
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      Tom Taaffe

      run against him.   He's sided with the Democrats sometimes, but we need to remind the voters he's still a Republican.  

      THis is probably too esoteric for the average voter, but Scott Brown's defeat is +2 seats in the Senate for us.

      No matter how liberal Brown might be, he adds to the Republican # of senate seats.  We have 23 Dem seats up for election, and some of them are open & some are likely to be lost, we need a MA Democratic Senator.

      And even if Snowe becomes an independent, can we be sure she will caucus with the Dems?  I doubt it.

      HylasBrook @62 - fiesty, fiery, and fierce

      by HylasBrook on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:28:06 AM PST

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  •  Liz Warren would be good (0+ / 0-)

    the rest of those names?  Not so much.

    I have pals who like Khazei, but he doesn't really send me.  Capuano showed last year that he's not ready for prime time -- great candidate at the local level, but just not quick enough on his feet to handle the pressure of a statewide campaign.

    Rubin's suggestions are just a bad joke, though Walsh deserves credit for helping the gov win reelection.  Like Miss Laura says, though, not too many strategists are effective making the jump over to candidate.

    Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
    ¡Boycott Arizona!

    by litho on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 08:06:21 AM PST

  •  I'm a big fan of Martha Coakley, BUT (3+ / 0-)

    Rubin's suggestions are absolutely nuts.  And Therese Murray?  Give me a break -- an uncharismatic long-time legislator who leads an ethically challenged one-party legislature that, as an institution, is held in lower regard than the U.S. Congress.  Are you sure this wasn't an Onion-style article made up by the Boston Herald to discredit the Democratic Party?

  •  I supported Mike Capuano in the primary but he (3+ / 0-)

    ultimately lost to Coakely. It would be a disaster for Coakely to run against Brown again. She had her chance and blew it, and this is one Democrat who is plenty angry at her for all but handing the seat over to the Republicans, simply because she refused to take the guy seriously and run a half decent campaign. All Coakely had to do was run commercials concerning Brown's hypocrisy on the health care reform bill - i.e. Brown voted for health care reform in Massachusetts but then did a complete 360 and claimed he was against health care reform on the national level. Had she made a decent effort, she could have kept the seat in the Democratic column. I would support Mike Capuano for Senator if he ran against Brown (or any Republican). I'm not sure how popular Brown is - however, if the Republican party primaries Brown and puts in a real right winger (which I'm hoping they do), there is no doubt the seat will go back to the Democrats - Massachusetts is still very liberal.

  •  No more neoliberals please! (1+ / 0-)
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    I need more time to assess the potential and/or actual candidates, but I'm sick to death of MA candidates peddling that Boston investor class socio-economics. As if two or three hi-tech industries will mean a damn bit of difference to the millions of people unemployed, underemployed or just plain underpaid in this state.  

    I couldn't vote for Coakley in the by-election because her economic platform read like a DNC point-sheet, spiced up by a wish list from the usual, elitist suspects in Boston.

    Yuck! Jobs, baby, jobs. Not jobs we have to go back to school for, not jobs promised somewhere in the far distance, jobs we can get NOW! WPA, not corporate welfare.

    The Boston investor class are nothing but parasites. Put them together with the hopelessly corrupt Boston Democratic Party clubhouses and they can really stink up an election. But that's what happens when all public leaders/opinion-makers/'progressive leaders' come from the same few schools.

    This elitist crap is killing this party or hasn't anyone been paying attention?

  •  Martha Coakley? (1+ / 0-)
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    I still have doubts about the Amirault case. That is why I did not donate in the special election.
    AS for Scott Brown, he voted in favor of abolishing don't ask don't tell in the final vote. I don't want that to be bad politics for him.

    •  ^ That, almost. (0+ / 0-)

      The pundits really missed how deeply unpopular Coakley is with the general population. She's a symbol of prosecution run amok, even if that characterization is unfair. And to the usual lunkheads she's an "arrogant, elitist bitch."

      However, she was not directly involved with the Amirault case -- she only recommended that Gerald Amirault be denied clemency. You might be thinking of her prosecution Louise Woodward.

      I'm a concert pianist with a double doctorate... AND YOU CAN BE TOO!

      by kenlac on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:03:44 AM PST

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      •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

        I live in Houston, not Massachusetts, so I am not extremely familiar with Coakley or the Amirault case. Nevertheless I think it is important to ask questions and get adequate answers before supporting her for public office. If this was a false conviction it is never just water under the bridge. The recommendation to deny clemency raises further questions in my mind.

  •  Why doesn't Markey ever run? (1+ / 0-)
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    I always had him figured for something bigger but he never moved up.

  •  Brown can be defeated (4+ / 0-)
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    bluesteel, abs0628, miller415, tcrguy

    Last year Scott Brown won in a special election.  This is very different from running in a regular election cycle and will be even more difficult in a Presidential election year.

    The Boston Globe has an excellent chart on their website that shows which towns supported Brown and then turned around 10 months later and voted for Gov Patrick. We need to replicate that in 2012 to take Scotty out.

    Personally, I think the key to ousting Scotty is engaging women in the suburban towns that ring Rt 128. (Towns within a 5 mile radius of being inside or outside of Rt 128, that is.)

    A very quick way to get some demographic information on Massachusetts is to peruse the MassStats information records and see the age, demographics and employment statistics on cities and towns in this area.  This gives you a floor to examine what is there and voting patterns. I would also peruse the voting patterns on Overrides in the state and I have a thing about tracking school fees as a gauge of the general mood of a town and what kinds of tax/fee burdens they are under.  These things give you a feel for how communities are doing and what issues to target in those areas. (This info is more difficult to come by and is for hardcore stats devotees anyway.  Serious wonks only, LOL!)

    Gov Patrick won when the state Dem Party did their homework and ran a targeted campaign last fall.  We need to replicate that.

    •  special vs prez year (0+ / 0-)

      yeah people forget that the electorate in 2012 will be VERY different from the electorate that barely elected Scott Brown. That doesn't mean it's a shoo in by any means but it certainly helps a lot. Also my hope would be that the MA Dems would replicate the coordinated campaign so that the Dem GOTV statewide would be the opposite of the craptacular nature of the Coakley effort. Basically this will be the biggest race on the ballot, other than Prez but that won't be too much of a toss up in my opinion -- probably closer than 2008 but no way does Obama lose MA. So a lot of resources could be put behind the right Dem candidate running against Brown, and if he's had to expend resources fighting a primary challenge, that could spell some opportunity for Dems too.

      "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." ~ Bruce Springsteen

      by abs0628 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:48:53 AM PST

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  •  you never mentioned redistricting (0+ / 0-)

    MA will lose a seat in the House in 2012, which means one of the all-Democratic delegation will be out of a job.  This may factor into who may want to challenge Brown.

    I'd say Steve Lynch would have a good shot.  Conservative for a Democrat, which plays pretty well to native libertarian-ish sentiments.  Very tough.  Wouldn't get a whole lot of Democratic machine support, but would run a hell of a campaign.

    •  yuck (1+ / 0-)
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      we need another conservative democrat like we need another Goldman Sachs employee in the white house.

      That's a great way to clear out the polling booth at my end of the state. Yuck!

      •  Lynch -- no thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        ugh he's awful, no charisma, way to Liebermanesque. doubt he could win either -- i imagine he'd turn off folks in the West and Central MA way more than some of the other folks mentioned. Believe me very few Dem activists would help him GOTV

        "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." ~ Bruce Springsteen

        by abs0628 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:44:55 AM PST

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        •  Steve Lynch is a... (1+ / 0-)
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          DLC consevadem who forgot his union roots years ago.  If he is not in the Blue dog Caucus, he is just one step from it.

          Unfortunately, he a big Irish Catholic base out of Boston and that is a huge swing.

          There is no doubt that many vote on his name and not his policies.

          I was the youngest in my family growing up therefore I wAS the remote control.

    •  From what I've heard, (0+ / 0-)

      it's most likely to be Western Mass that loses a seat. If so, it won't factor.

  •  The Democrats need to fight for that seat. (2+ / 0-)
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    abs0628, Tom Taaffe

    Because Scott Brown proved that just because Kennedy sat in it for 4 decades, doesn't mean it belongs to the Democrats by default.  

    Congress sat together and America's soul was healed. /me pukes

    by Beelzebud on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:08:03 AM PST

  •  Khazei or Warren the most progressive (2+ / 0-)
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    TayTay, chococat

    Capuano would also be fine.

    •  I like Khazei as well (1+ / 0-)
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      Dougy Rubin was with Pagliuca last time. Pags is a moderate Dem, but he can self-finance a race.  I wonder if he is still interested in a run?

      I wonder if Elizabeth Warren wants to run.  She is not a MA native, she can't self-finance and she is an unknown in the State. These are serious, but not insurmountable obstacles for her.  It would certainly be interesting to have her in the race.

  •  Brown is the most popular pol in Ma (0+ / 0-)

    All he has  to do is keep his moderate image and vote against his party enough times to keep that image. there is no viable candidate on the right in Ma. they just don't have many tea baggers.
    Still he could be vulnerable if he gets to conservative and Obama is popular.

  •  I think you can already put this one (0+ / 0-)

    back in the D column. Even if Brown survives his primary, he'll never be able to overcome the fact that 2012 is a presidential year when everyone comes out to vote and the climate should be considerably better for Democrats.

    I have a "Run Sarah Run" bumper sticker. It's on my front bumper.

    by The Truth Shall Set Ye Free on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 09:39:37 AM PST

  •  Find someone OTHER THAN (0+ / 0-)

    a State House Party-hack.

    The five, six and eleven o'clock news has some State House scandal on weekly.

    I'm wondering if the heritage of the Commonwealth isn't more inline with that of Mexico, than Ireland.

  •  Elizabeth Warren (2+ / 0-)
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    miller415, tcrguy

    I've told my wife I think she could be our first female President.

    Maybe I'm dreaming a bit.

  •  As an active Dem in Mass... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...I want to see candidates announce sooner rather than later. I am not interested in people who wait most of 2011. Brown has too big of a headstart. No serious candidate should count on a Repub primary to weaken Brown.

  •  Brown came in on the perfect storm when... (0+ / 0-)

    he won the special election.  Coakley ran a poor race and the DLC advisors that the DNC sent (why can't they just send the money and keep the "corporate advisors".  If I wanted to hear corporate Dems talk, I would go to the republican rallies) ran their usual message that does not enthuse the democratic base (Way to go DNC/DLC).

    Also remember, that the healthcare debate was still raging and we here in Massachusetts, just like other dems around the country, was pissed at the Senate for the weak, capitulating stance on Healthcare for all/ public option/medicare plus 55 or whatever the gave up on.  Watching the Baucus committee fold and knowing his staff members who wrote the bill were past and future insurance company employees didn't help, either.  

    Then the issues with the filibuster that made the republicans look like they were still in the majority with a 40 vote minority added one more nail to the coffin.

    When the healthcare bill finally passed the emotion was more of relief rather than pride.  Relief, not being a positive emotion did not have the enthusiasm bump a bill like this should have.

    Brown was lucky, not good.

    But the base is enthused to elect a democrat (and hopefully a progressive) and it is going to be a whole different ballgame.

    There was a mention of John Walsh as a possible candidate.  I don't know JW well but I do know him.  I would have no problem supporting him and be a volunteer coordinator in my City for him, but JW may be a better "Kingmaker, not King".

    Elizabeth Warren is an interesting choice.  If you are a Democratic politic wonk then, yes, she is a great choice.  But if you are not, then it becomes Elizabeth Who?  Though having a Senator who actually believes the consumer should be protected would be novel in the Senate.

    I was the youngest in my family growing up therefore I WAS the remote control.

  •  okay, back to this... (0+ / 0-)

    For progressives, Massie, Robert Reich or Khazei are hands down the best of the bunch.  Warren would be great, but speaking as a MA resident and elected official, I'd have to say that perhaps Daily Kos is the only place I've heard buzz for her.

    Capuano may have finished second, but he has a lotta baggage stemming from his autocratic and vindictive history as Mayor of Somerville. Add to that the fact that in areas of the state he will need to compete with Brown in, like my home town of Newburyport, he's got no love whatsoever.

    The buzz I'm hearing, which turns my stomach, is that Steven Lynch has been adding soto voce endorsements like a barn on fire; he hasn't declared, but he's been working the old-line, arteriosclerosis wing of the mainstream party- so when he does declare, he'll have his ducks not only in a row, but quacking his tune.

    Lynch and Capuano- yuck.  This time, I'm sticking with the real progressives.  Lynch could beat Brown, but the two are utterly interchangeable politically; I don't believe Capuano would beat Brown, but at least it would jack his butt outta congress.

    Fire away.

    "When you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance." Jesse Winchester

    by The Poet Deploreate on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 12:12:02 PM PST

  •  I could run... (0+ / 0-)
    does anyone have an extra 10 million in seed money to start my campaign.  I'd go to the Koch brothers but I don't believe that putting floride in water is a communist plot or that even Eisenhower was a communist spy.

    I may not win the nomination but I will support any candidate who will support the fairness doctrine, campaign finance reform and repeal the ruling of citizens united.

    I was the youngest in my family growing up therefore I WAS the remote control.

  •  This. Is. Perfect. (0+ / 0-)

    Not only should Coakley not run for Senate again, the very earth around the remnants of her pathetic campaign should be sowed with salt.

    Thank you for making my afternoon catch-up reading so delightful.

    Much of life is knowing what to Google
    (and blogging at BPI Campus)

    by JanF on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 01:52:07 PM PST

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