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The Kinks are likely the most important British Invasion band that most folks remember only slightly, if even at that.  They were quite good, but completely different from the BIG THREE (The Beatles, The Who, and The Rolling Stones) in that they just never seemed to get things completely right.  I mean no disrespect to them by that statement.

I really like that band!  The problem with them was that they never really penetrated the American psyche like the previously mentioned ones did, although they DID have lots of hits.  I guess that part of it was because they did not have quite the level of genius in writing that The Beatles had, nor the outstanding musicianship that at least three of the four of The Who had, or the showmanship mastery (and good writing) that The Rolling Stones had.

Before we start, a little housekeeping.  I have not mentioned for a long while that I have not bought a pack of cigarettes since 2008.  I DO smoke cigarettes, but am very happy with my Prince Albert tobacco and Top papers.  In the coming weeks I plan to ration them, cutting down my cigarette intake from ad libitum now to 20 next week, and two fewer per day per week until I quit.  I offer solidarity for any reader who needs just that bit of impetus to begin to quit, and hope that any who are ready to quit assist me here, and on Pique the Geek, in the comments for encouragement.

With that said, The Kinks were more than anything a collaboration by two brothers, Dave and Ray Davies.  Dave (David Russell Gordon Davies) was born 19470203 (happy just now belated birthday to him!) in London and was one of the singers and the lead guitarist for the band.  He is still with us, just now turning 64, about which Sir Paul wrote.  His brother, Ray (Raymond Douglas Davies) was born 19440621, so he is a few years older.  He is also still with us.  He is also what we Americans call "knighted" being a Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE).  That is pretty cool.

United States citizens can NEVER be knighted, unless that person renounces her or his citizenship.  However, because of the very close relationship that the UK and the US has, honorary knighthood is possible, but not the full one that British citizens can enjoy.  Actually, it is just sort of an honorary title, with no money nor anything else, but a nifty sort of recognition for contributions.

The Kinks formed in 1964, somewhat later than the BIG THREE, mostly from pillow talk betwixt the brothers.  I mean no sexual innuendo by this statement, but all of you with siblings of the same sex near the same age know that they often sleep in the same room and spin their dreams to each other.  Dave and Ray did more:  the made them come to life.  By the way, they had SIX sisters!

At their secondary school, William Grimshaw Secondary Modern School, they formed a high school band that included another pimply faced guy by the name of Pete Quaife (He died 20100623).  This was in 1962, and they had several other artists play and sing with them.  One that you might remember is Rod Stewert!  Nicky Hopkins from Quicksilver Messenger Service also did some session with them.

Now is where it gets interesting.  Around the same time, in the 1963 to 1964 timeframe, an American record producer by the name of Shel Talmy inked deals with both the Davies brothers and another upstart band, The Who.  Talmy is still with us, and is sort of an ultimate a**hole.  He took advantage of everyone with whom he worked, and I know well that if The Who had not gotten away from him that poverty would have been their outcome.  Fortunately, Townshend proved to be way smarter than Talmy, and with the help of Kit Lambert and others was able to get out of a horribly punishing contract.  Talmy is quite self aggrandizing, and often boasts about being in The Triple Nine Club, where folks who like to think of themselves of geniuses go to gloat.  I suspect that Pete is in the five nines club!

Anyway, The Kinks got going commercially around 1964, around the same time as the BIG THREE came to the United States.  Their other member was Michael Charles Avory (born 19440215, and still with us), who was the drummer.  So here is the original lineup of The Ravens (soon to change their name to The Kinks before their first commercial release):

Ray Davies:  lead songwriting, lead vocals, rhythm guitar, harmonica, and some keyboards

Dave Davies:  some songwriting, lead guitar, backup vocals, and occasional lead vocals

Mick Avory:  percussion and drums, and

Pete Quaife:  bass guitar and backup vocals

Note that I pushed the writing to the front where possible, because I truly believe that writing is the genesis of the creative process.  Their first release was not well received.

It was a cover of Long Tall Sally, the Little Richard (Richard Penniman) hit.  It did not go very far.

Here is a live version.  Not very professional, but you can see that they were loving what they did.

Here is how it is supposed to be done:

By the way, this is one of the most covered songs in the history of R and B, and R and R.  The Beatles covered it, Elvis Presley covered it, and lots of other big acts covered it.

Their next attempt was You Still Want Me.  It was better, but had Talmy all over it.  Yet, not a bad tune.  Please tell me what you think.  I could not find a live version of it, but notice that Dave's guitar was getting better.

Their third single got them noticed.  The irony is that the covers, particularly the one by Van Halen (gag me with a spoon!) were bigger sellers.  Here is You Really Got Me as it should be enjoyed.  This appears to be quite live, with no lip sync.  Notice that the girls in the audience are very likely now to be grandmums and even great grandmuns.

Here is another take:

This one might by synched.  You tell me.  Just one more:

In my opinion, this much later version is an exercise that is often called "trying to gild the lily".  It was much better in its earlier versions, with the rawness, but that is just me.

Their next hit pretty much solidified their sound.  It is called All Day and All of the Night, but most folks think that the title is Girl, I Want to be with You.  Please enjoy the studio version now:

Here is a live version, and I think that it is actually live.  Please tell me what you think:

This song pretty much was the drop forge for their sound.  The previous ones had the same drive, but they were not satisfied with it.  Just as I am not satisfied with my limited writing skills, they wanted to be better in their musical skills.

Their next hit was Tired of Waiting, still with the Talmy influence but less of it.  It was a big hit in the UK, actually #1, and made #6 in the US.  Here is a "live" version:

Now the studio version.  This is an extremely poignant song, and the studio version hints at much boarder music that they finally attained, but not quite yet.  I love this song, and every time I listen to it I get a bit teary eyed.

They had a bunch of songs after that, but this is getting too long.  Their next big hit was Sunny Afternoon, a stark rebuke of the UK tax system that set the marginal tax rates at 95%.  George Harrison wrote about the same thing for The Beatles in his excellently crafted song, Taxman.

I would not be Translator if I did not give my opinion on marginal tax rates, and here it is, for what it is worth.  The current ones are OK, except for the highest income earners.  It should be at least a 50% marginal rate for anyone making more than a million dollars per year, and the rate for capital gains and dividends should be one's top marginal rate as well.  It is obscene that Warren Buffet pays a 15% rate (his income is mostly dividends and capital gains) and most working folks pay 20% or more.

Back to the show.

They had more minor hits until 1969, when Lola came out, so to speak.  This was the first time that a band had actually written a song about a transsexual that made hit charts, and this one was in a good light.  Now, The Who had written about masturbation before (Pictures of Lily), about sadistic things (Cousin Kevin), and even about child abuse (Uncle Ernie).  But this was the first, to my knowledge, popular song to talk frankly about not only transsexuals, but actually loving a transsexual.  This is a milestone, and good on them for doing it.  I have friends whose son is essentially married to a post surgical transsexual.  So here we go with the justly famous Lola!

That song was extremely daring for 1969 (this video is from 1970).  Like Donovan, whom I wrote about a week or two ago, there were some extremely subtle lyrics about sex that most folks could not have had on AM radio at the time.

I pushed her away, I walked to the door, I fell to the floor, I got down on my knees...

I rest my case.

Here is a more recent rendition of Lola:

Interestingly, their last Top Ten in the US is my very favorite song of theirs.  In late November 1970 the extremely wonderful Apeman hit the charts, and it was actually the first Kinks song that I ever heard (after that, I wanted to hear more), on the Fort Smith, Arkansas 100,000 watt FM station, KMAG.  KMAG finally went to country and western, and for a long time people would use the term, "...when KMAG was really KMAG...".

Please, if any of you are inebriated enough, sing along with me.

One is not enough.  Try this one as well.

We ALL LOVE the old 45 RPM vinyls!  We are all apemen!

They sort of faded out after that one, sadly, but did have one more big US hit.  Well, it was big for me.  I LOVE that band.  Actually they had two, this being the last.  The one before is sort of going to be my goodnight to everyone.

That just did not have the feel that the second to last hit had.  I hope that all of you remember this one.

Come Dancing was pretty much the last of them.  That is sad, because I think that the brothers have several more things to say, just like Translator does as well.

I hope that you enjoyed visiting with this wonderful band and with me as well.  It is a horrible burden to write Popular Culture, with the requirement of listening to great old songs and seeing vintage video!  LOL!  Please feel free to post any clips that you particularly like in the comments, and as always your thoughts are welcome.

Warmest regards,

Doc

Featured at TheStarsHollowGazette.  Crossposted at Docudharma.com, and Antimedius.com

Originally posted to Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:07 PM PST.

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  •  there's a rat under my bed (6+ / 0-)

    still humming that after all these years....

    We are better than this. We must do better. Cmdr.Scott Kelly

    by mydailydrunk on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:13:41 PM PST

  •  Oh yeah (5+ / 0-)

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:17:53 PM PST

  •  Arthur--how can you leave out Arthur? (8+ / 0-)

    That, to me, is the high point of the Kinks.  It's the best concept album ever made, hands down.  The instrumental part of "Australia" goes on too long, but apart from that it's perfect.

    APSCU is the trade group of diploma mills that rip off students and the government.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:19:22 PM PST

  •  Lola was (7+ / 0-)

    written for a transvestite.

    But the question is, which one? According to Rolling Stone, "Lola" was inspired by Candy Darling, a member of Andy Warhol's entourage, whom Ray Davies briefly (and cluelessly) dated. If that's the case, then "Lola" is just another notch on Darling's song belt -- she's also referred to in Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side." ("Candy came from out on the Island/ In the backroom she was everybody's darlin'.")

    But, in the Kinks' official biography, Davies tells a different story. He says "Lola" was written after the band's manager spent a very drunken night dancing with a woman whose five o'clock shadow was apparently obvious to everyone but him.

     

    "Ancora Imparo." ("I am still learning.") - Michelangelo, Age 87

    by Dreaming of Better Days on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:20:49 PM PST

  •  What song did both the Kinks and the Who (3+ / 0-)
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    cover--as a studio recording, not a live rave up?

    The answer is in the endless ambition and opprotunism of one Shel Talmy.

    I'll answer later.

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:29:37 PM PST

  •  love the Kinks (5+ / 0-)

    thanks!

  •  You did a great job with this (7+ / 0-)

    I really enjoyed it, now I'm back to see more of the older stuff.

    I always liked "I'm a twentieth century man and I don't want to die here"/

    I Know a place where a Royal Flush never beat a Pair" T. Waits

    by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:33:15 PM PST

    •  Thank you for the kind words! (2+ / 0-)
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      Lots of material, much of it excellent from which to choose.  I am still having computer trouble, so if I vanish it is not because that I do not care what my readers are saying.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:08:17 PM PST

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  •  how could you forget this one? (9+ / 0-)

    waterloo sunset. a perfect song all around

  •  My personal favorite and an album (11+ / 0-)

    that has begun to receive renewed attention after arguably being overshadowed by some of their other albums.  

    The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society

    "Space Available!" is the biggest retail chain in the nation.

    by Free Jazz at High Noon on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:34:50 PM PST

  •  The Kinks: my OTHER favorite British Invasion (5+ / 0-)

    band. I actually like them better than the Stones, but to each his own.

    Because the Kinks played smaller venues and multi night runs in each city I probably saw them in concert more than any other band and they were NEVER less than a blast. Sometimes super tight, sometimes super sloppy,more often than not, profound and always intense and ultimately entertaining.

    Doc, yer killin' me here: the Who and KC diaries, Donovan--damn, I'll be typing forever!  

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:35:46 PM PST

    •  Thanks for the kind words! (3+ / 0-)

      Soon I am going to do a piece centered on Moon.  His was a roller coaster life.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:11:28 PM PST

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    •  If asked on any given day my favorite (4+ / 0-)

      Brit band -- The Stones, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Who, or Led Zeppelin -- I'd probably give a different answer every day of the week. I guess usually I lean toward the Stones but there are definitely some days where I swear it would be the Kinks forever...

      "The NRA should just change their name to the Assassin's Lobby, because that's what they are." -- Bill Maher

      by frankzappatista on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:17:47 PM PST

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      •  I have been very clear that (4+ / 0-)

        I prefer The Who to all others, but that does NOT mean that I do not like the others.  Interestingly, my least favorite on your list is Led Zeppelin, but some of their stuff is OK, too.  By the way, Keith Moon is rumored to have named the band.

        Warmest regards,

        Doc

        Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

        by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:28:04 PM PST

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        •  Actually Doc in your Entwistle diary I passed on (2+ / 0-)
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          the story (I read it in Rolling Stone, so it mus be true) that it was really the OX who named Led Zeppelin  and basically designed their first LP cover, and as always got stiffed by history!

          I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

          by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:38:46 PM PST

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          •  I remember, and notice that (3+ / 0-)
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            I used the word "rumored".  Entwistle was an enormous talent, and from all accounts a genuinely nice person.  Some of his songs were pretty dark, though.

            I am glad that he got full credit for the cover for The Who by Numbers, name and all right there.

            Most folks do not not know that Jon Lord from Deep Purple is quite a good painter.  He did the cover for their second album, The Book of Talieson.  The original Deep Purple (they like to call it Mark I) was actually quite good, if erratic.

            Warmest regards,

            Doc

            Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

            by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:54:33 PM PST

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            •  I liked early Deep Purple too... (4+ / 0-)

              They were raunchy, yet musical and seemed to have good sense of fun, which a lot of bands seem to lose once they hit the big time.

              Excellent and versatile musicians, too.

              I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

              by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:12:15 PM PST

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              •  It is a shame that a band remembered (2+ / 0-)
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                best for Smoke on the Water had been capable of things like April (one of their original compositons) or the extremely sensitive cover of Donovan's Lelana (which I found and included in the piece about Mr. Leitch).  The haunting The Shield was excellent, as was, if you just like hard rocking instrumentals, Wring that Neck (aka The Hard Road).

                I had planned to do a piece on Mark I, but could not find hardly any videos on You Tube at the time.  It looks like the drought may be over, and if I can find enough material, Deep Purple Mark I will be a soon to be posted piece.

                By the way, the first US radio play of Mark II's record, Fireball, was in Fort Smith, Arkansas.  Bob Ketchum, a popular disk jockey there at the time, had become friendly with the band and played it for the very first time on KWNN, the 5000 watt AM station that later assumed a news talk format.  I was acquainted with Bob, and he was a character.

                Warmest regards,

                Doc

                Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

                by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:25:48 PM PST

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        •  Incidentally, Doc I have never been a Zep fan (3+ / 0-)

          either.

          I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

          by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:39:34 PM PST

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      •  Go with your gut, you won't go wrong... (4+ / 0-)

        ...no disrespect to the other nice Brit lads!
        (If you haven't already, read Keith's memoir. A jolly conversational read with a great mind.)

        I loved the BritInvasion music, bought every BeaTles and Stones LP the day they came out.

        Tired of Waiting was my first kinks fave.

        I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

        by labradog on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:34:28 PM PST

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      •  FZ, since you have FZ in your screen name (3+ / 0-)

        I read an interview with Ray Davies where he expressed a great admiration for Frank and had in fact met him not too long before the interview.

        His thought were interesting: "He's a very normal sort of person, really. I'm MUCH stranger than he is!"

        I would have liked to be the fly on the wall for that one!

        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:42:27 PM PST

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        •  I wish that I had sufficient depth of (3+ / 0-)

          knowledge to write a cogent series on Zappa here, but he was so prolific that I simply have never had the time to delve deeply into his history.

          If anyone reading would like to contribute a piece about Zappa as a guest host, please contact my.  My email address is in my profile.  I suspect that it would take more than one installment to cover this incredibly complex person decently.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:02:11 PM PST

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          •  It would take a book! (3+ / 0-)
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            Many have been written and are still being written. Frank remains a subject of both scholarly and popular research.

            He opened so many musical doors, his music ranges from pure doo-wop and basic rock and roll to orchestral pieces of the highest depth and complexity.

            I have to apologize to you, Doc. I n a previous diary, we talked about an extensive piece on Frank, but after thinking about it, I balked! My apologies for being such a wimp!

            Of course you know there IS a Who connection with Frank: Moon played the horny nun in the 200 Motels movie and Pete was offered a part and politely declined. He has expressed his admiration for Frank on many occasions.

            I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

            by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:19:08 PM PST

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            •  I had forgotten about (1+ / 0-)
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              200 Motels!  Keith was pretty much up for anything!

              Hey, the invitation still stands.  If you like, you could break it up over several weeks or months.  I just do not have the expertise to pull it off correctly.

              While we are talking about Moon, it seems to me that he was in the George Harrison video for Crackerbox Palace.  I have not been able to find a version that shows him, but I am almost positive that he appeared in it, or perhaps a different Harrison video.  Since Ringo and Moon were very close, and Ringo and George were also, it makes sense.  Any information about that?

              Warmest regards,

              Doc

              Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

              by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:31:28 PM PST

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              •  I have heard that about Moon and (2+ / 0-)
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                Crackerbox Palace (which was a GREAT video!), but the specifics escape me. I am sure you are correct.

                I have 200 Motels on VHS and watched it recently, that's why it's fresh in my memory. Very funny but definitely not for everyone!

                It would be great to do a piece on Frank, not the least to dispel the many myths about the man and his work. That may be a good starting point with which to introduce people to a greater level of enjoyment of his work.

                This weekend being the 100th birthday of the Gipper, FZ's views on Reagan are especially enjoyable: his characterization of him as a "narcoleptic pinhead" is my favorite.  :)

                I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

                by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:53:34 PM PST

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                •  I take this as (1+ / 0-)
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                  a "YES"!  Get with me tomorrow, or next week on the email and we can get going.  I do not expect you to take over this series, but would very much like for you to contribute.  We can break it up so that you have time betwixt installments for you real life.

                  Warmest regards,

                  Doc

                  Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

                  by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:57:26 PM PST

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  •  OK, I was going to wait to see if someone got it (6+ / 0-)

    The B-side of the Who's first 45 was Shel Talmy's "Bald Headed Woman."

    The Kinks (also produced and/or manipulated by Talmy) recorded the song on their first LP.

    Pretty crappy song and I think the Who's version is better and Talmy is still collecting checks from both bands to this day, I am sure...

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:42:16 PM PST

    •  Good studio versions (3+ / 0-)

      of several early songs by The Who are extremely difficult to get because Talmy wants so much money for them.  Thank goodness for Kit!

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:04:57 PM PST

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      •  I got hold of that 45 well into my Who fixation (2+ / 0-)
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        though before I knew a lot of their history.

        My first responses on hearing it were "What is this shit?" followed by "Who the fuck is Shel Talmy?"

        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:18:27 PM PST

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        •  I have little to say about Talmy (3+ / 0-)
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          that is favorable.  By the way, the association that I mentioned, the Three Nines Club, refers to the "fact" that its members have a higher IQ than 99.9% of the general population.

          I have a problem with organizations like that.  I like to think that I might be intelligent enough to belong to Mensa or the one just mentioned, but there is no point to it.  If I am, I do not need a club to reassure me, and if I am not, then I strongly suspect that IQ tests are not designed very well.  LOL!  My point is that I find it to be in poor taste to wear a button to tell everyone else how smart you are.

          I let my words allow others to decide if anything that I might know is interesting enough, and with enough content new to them, to spend their time reading.  I am happy with who I am, for the most part.  However, interesting comments here are always welcome.  I like ones that challenge me, especially on Pique the Geek.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:33:52 PM PST

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          •  You hit a nerve with me on the IQ business, Doc! (2+ / 0-)
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            I know just what you mean and this would be a great subject for some research. Remember "The Bell Curve"
            which posited the inferiority of (mostly) non white people based on IQ tests?

            Shit, this is only the tip of a very ugly iceberg...

            I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

            by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:46:38 PM PST

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            •  Those are just tests. (2+ / 0-)
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              Some folks have a real knack for taking tests, and are not necessarily much (if any) brighter than other people.  One of the most intelligent people whom I know took an IQ test in college, and since the answers were mark sense (where you fill in the little circles with a pencil), after he accidentally got off one line on the answer page, they decided that he was an imbecile.

              Then there is the aspect of intelligence called common sense, which is often quite the opposite.  I know a lot of academic types who likely would starve to death if left to their own devices to find or produce food.

              Then there are the folks who are not extremely bright but are kind, giving, and caring.  I strongly suspect that these kinds of folks are more well adjusted and happier overall than the uberintelligent.  We need Einsteins, but we need gentle, caring people as well.

              Warmest regards,

              Doc

              Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

              by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:08:30 PM PST

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              •  I like to think that everyone has their gifts (1+ / 0-)
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                whether high intelligence or a kind and sweet nature.

                I mentioned the Bell Curve. There was an article in the Village Voice around the time the book was published written by their classical music critic(and composer) Kyle Gann which took the whole notion of IQ apart. I may have a photocopy of it as I thought it was brilliant.He suggested that what was really being measured was more (and I am simplifying from memory) like AQ or Acquiesence Quotient--meaning how useful a person could be for the powers that be while causing as little trouble as possible.

                I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

                by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:26:46 PM PST

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                •  The Bell Curve has its problems, (1+ / 0-)
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                  since it is essentially a position piece, but that does not mean that it is completely incorrect, although I do not agree with the AQ concept.

                  IQ is just another tool to measure what some people think is important.  What is not taken into account is that different people analyze problems in different ways, and have different sensory inputs that are more favorable to recognition and processing.

                  For example, my primary input mode is visual, whether by reading the printed word or by observing images.  By the way, I do not "sound out" English words in my mind as I read them.  The symbols themselves are sufficient, and eliminating the need to convert images to sounds mentally really saves a lot of processing time and overhead burden, so I read extraordinarily fast, and retain most of it.

                  On the other hand, when I read German or Anglo-Saxon, I HAVE to convert the words to sounds or it makes no sense to me.  Since those are both second languages to me, I need the reinforcement of multiple processing pathways to make them make sense.

                  I can assimilate information auditorily, but it takes me longer to process it.  When those fast talking radio advert folks read the disclaimers, forget it!  I can not assimilate it fast enough for it to make sense, but if I had the copy from which they were reading, I could in a third of the time that it takes them to read it.

                  This is a long example, but IQ tests are primarily visual, written words and other images.  The former Mrs. Translator is sort of the opposite:  she assimilates sounds more efficiently than she does images.  God, I miss her.

                  Warmest regards,

                  Doc

                  Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

                  by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:40:59 PM PST

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                    Though as I say, I was simplifying the article (from the mid 90's?) and he argues his point far better than I have here.

                    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

                    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:55:57 PM PST

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                    •  In general, I dislike (1+ / 0-)
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                      attaching labels to people because of what are essentially artificial contrivances.  Now, when you go to college, it is important to both you and the institution to place you where you need to be.  That is quite different.

                      On the other hand, to use a high, arbitrary test score to make others feel inferior in not only incorrect, it is WRONG!

                      Warmest regards,

                      Doc

                      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

                      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:02:13 PM PST

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                      •  Totally agree on this point. (0+ / 0-)

                        When I was a kid, my understanding was that IQ measured potential more than anything else.

                        I know a couple of people who are members of Mensa and though they are bright folks, they seem to be seriously lacking in any creative impulse and are self satisfied that they are just so smart.

                        I guess if they are already superior, they can just revel in their potential excellence without having to actually do anything... :)

                        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

                        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:29:22 PM PST

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  •  If you wasnt to hear some great Live Kinks (7+ / 0-)

    on the Web (streaming), Wolfgang's Vault has many concerts from the 70's and even the late 80's all of which are worth hearing. The '77 shows especially.

    http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:45:14 PM PST

    •  Tha should have been "want," of course n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

      by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:58:46 PM PST

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    •  Thanks! I appreciate it when (2+ / 0-)
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      readers take the trouble to put bits of useful information for others here.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:34:43 PM PST

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      •  The Vault (Bill Graham's Private Archive) (3+ / 0-)
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        also has some UNBELIEVABLE Who stuff, btw.  :)

        The Who, The Grateful Dead and the Kinks were among Bill's favorite bands

        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:48:30 PM PST

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        •  Bill Graham had great taste in music (2+ / 0-)
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          I saw a great show at the Oakland Coliseum in October 1976, a Bill Graham "Day on the Green" where the Dead opened with the Who (including Moon) headlining. The songs played between the bands were all Brit Invasion and I was soooo on other substances that shall remain nameless that I was singing out loud, every word including several Kinks' songs.

          There was sort of a trivia contest taking place in the section I was sitting in. I was rather uninhibited and yelled out all the titles and artists' names. A fellow way up in front also knew a lot of the titles and the crowd parted and I got gently pushed all the way to the second row from the stage so the dude and I could face off or something. I don't remember much more than that then the Who started playing.

          This took place during the nadir of rock music, IMHO. I can listen to the Dead and the other intentionally mellow bands of the early 70's only for so long. I am not mellow. I love angry poignant and sarcastic music like the Kinks and like the Punk that I still love.  

          "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

          by madaprn on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:37:09 PM PST

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          •  The first time that I saw (2+ / 0-)
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            The Who in 1976, I also was of altered consciousness, except that I had a full blown case of the flu and was running almost 105 degrees F of fever.  I know that it was irresponsible of me to expose the others at the venue to the flu, but I was not about to forgo seeing them live.

            I strongly suspect that I would remember it better if I had not been so ill.  However, I did get to see Keith in person doing what he did best.

            Warmest regards,

            Doc

            Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

            by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:43:55 PM PST

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          •  You lucky bastard! (1+ / 0-)
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            That was a show (weekend, actually) that when I read about, I seriously lusted to see!

            I love the Grateful Dead very much  (Garcia once said that "If there is such a thing as a genius in Rock and Roll, it's Pete Townshend.")and seeing both bands with (what I consider) their peak lineups on the same day????

            I have heard the GD's sets that weekend and they must have made a great counterpoint to the Who.

            Wish I'd been there!

            I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

            by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:00:30 PM PST

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            •  Fortunately, (2+ / 0-)
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              there is photographic (I mean real silver emulsion) and sound recordings for some, albeit not all, of it.  I actually like The Grateful Dead very much, but am in no way a Deadhead.  Some of their work is excellent, and some not to my liking at all.

              I really liked the line that had to do with dancing on one's grave, or at least crawling.  I sort of like dark lyrics.  Entwistle's song I Feel Better, was also dark.

              Whenever I think of you, I stick a pin in the picture of you, beside my bed, and I feel better.

              He must have had a horrible first marriage.

              Warmest regards,

              Doc

              Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

              by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:08:31 PM PST

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              •  I am a borderline Deadhead... (0+ / 0-)

                Dark Star on Live/Dead changed my whole thinking in regards to improvising and introduced me to the occasionally miraculous improvisations they were capable of. Subsequently I have enjoyed many shows and (bootleg)tapes of shows. They are not for everyone, but are a unique and significant experience.

                From "I Feel Better," which you quoted, my other favorite line (far less artful):"When I'm feeling Bad/I remember that you were the worst lay I ever had/And I feel better!"

                I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

                by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:35:16 PM PST

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  •  Popping over from the Gulf Watchers (5+ / 0-)

    kOscar's after-party with champagne, recs, and tips for the Kinks.

    We are to hold fast to what we believe is right, fight for it, and find allies....We become a nucleus ..... - David Brower

    by DawnN on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 06:52:33 PM PST

  •  Hey! You left out... (7+ / 0-)

    ..."Waterloo Sunset" and "Sunny Afternoon" which were two of their highest-charting singles ("Sunny Afternoon" was their last #1, I think). Not to mention my personal favorite, "A Well Respected Man" -- not too popular, but I love it.

    Nice diary!

    "We have so much time and so little to do. Strike that, reverse it." -- Willy Wonka

    by Huginn and Muninn on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:02:01 PM PST

  •  The Kinks had an interesting take on class issues (4+ / 0-)

    Songs like Shangri-La and Dead End Street reflect this (and they seemed to be trying to sound a bit like the Who with Entwistle styled horns).

    Cause we find ourselves in the same old mess singin' drunken lullabies--Flogging Molly

    by dalfireplug on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:06:42 PM PST

  •  Schoolboys In Disgrace.... (4+ / 0-)

    My favorite Kinks album ever and in my all time Top 50.

    (btw Doc...Rod Stewart...typo.)

    Cheers....P

    All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree -- James Madison

    by paulitics on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:09:32 PM PST

    •  Whilst I was proofing and getting (4+ / 0-)

      ready to publish, the computer problems (still not fully resolved, and I dare not switch windows to check my other sites) began, so I did not pay as much attention as I normally do.

      My hard drive activity light is almost constantly on, and each time I type a letter my cursor changes from an arrow (this is not normal) to the normal vertical line.  Something bad is going on, and after comments tonight I need to run all of my malware defense programs before I start to write Pique the Geek for Sunday.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:18:25 PM PST

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      •  Oh, you're forgiven... (2+ / 0-)
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        Just trying to help, that's all.  If it's any consolation I've picked up some nasty critters on my hard drive visiting here over the years.  Good luck w/ the machine.  Give it a good cleaning and you should  be fine.  P

        All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree -- James Madison

        by paulitics on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:26:04 PM PST

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        •  Part of my problem, I am sure, (3+ / 0-)
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          is that I now post simultaneously to four blogs, and with video intense content there is a lot of overhead on the machine.  But the hard drive activity has something to do with it.  My cursor is still a little funky, but now that the activity light only flashes occasionally tells me that whatever was running is now finished, and I can actually type at full speed now, rather than wait for three or four seconds betwixt hitting a key and seeing the letter appear.  Still, something is wrong.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:37:56 PM PST

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        •  You're All Forgiven! (2+ / 0-)
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          From A Quick One, and I did a piece about it as well.  But there is no danger of running out of material, since there is so, so much.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:22:58 PM PST

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    •  Paulitics, you opened the door to talking (4+ / 0-)

      about the Kinks' concept album stage shows of the 70's: Preservation, A Soap Opera, and Schoolboys in Disgrace were among the most enjoyable and yet ultimately thought provoking albums/shows I ever saw.

      You laughed your ass off at the show, but on the way home the implications of what they were saying sunk in.

      Ray is a very subtle SOB!

      I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

      by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:23:38 PM PST

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      •  When I was in high school (4+ / 0-)

        In the early 80's my older brother handed me two albums and said "listen to these". One was Quadrophenia, and the other was School Boys In Disgrace.  My life was changed instantly and I'm still rocking thirty years later.

        All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree -- James Madison

        by paulitics on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:33:22 PM PST

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        •  Whilst obviously I like The Kinks (4+ / 0-)

          very much, I was never dedicated to them like I am to The Who.  I have actually seen The Who three times (the first in 1976, while Moon was still with us), then during the Kenny Jones period, and finally with Zac Starkey drumming.

          I should do a couple of pieces on Quadrophenia.  It is an excellent record, and musically they were probably at their peak at that time.  However, it is ALMOST overproduced, whislt Tommy was just right, at least for my taste.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:42:29 PM PST

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          •  You nailed it aoout Quadrophenia (2+ / 0-)
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            I couldn't have said it better. It was the last time they were TOTALLY in sync, though Pete was obviously in charge (thought there was a well documented fistfight or two between Pete and Roger during recording).

            Unlike Tommy, Quadrophenia was envisioned from the start as a performance by the Who. It is only happy circumstance that Tommy turned out to be a great live performance as well. Note that Tommy had really NO improvisational bits in live performance, where Quadrophenia has several open ended guitar solos and Drowned, which was almost group improv at times--you never knew quite where it would go, only where it would end up!

            I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

            by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:57:06 PM PST

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            •  When I saw them in 1976, they (3+ / 0-)
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              were kind enough to play Drowned.  Not the same without Nicky Hopkins (another Talmy connexion??) on piano, but still good.  This piece was particularly suited to Entwistle, and when he was at his peak he was incredibly good.

              By the way, and I think that you remember this from my piece about him, the last time that I saw the band he was obviously under the weather, often leaned against a prop, and even let Daltry sing My Wife.  I knew that he was ill just for that.

              Warmest regards,

              Doc

              Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

              by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 08:12:34 PM PST

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  •  The thing to remember about the Kinks is that (7+ / 0-)

    from 1966 through the end of 1969 the American Federation of Musicians banned them from performing in the US, because their managers screwed up paying their taxes in the States.

    They matured right along a parallel path with the Beatles, Stones, the Who, the Beach Boys (who were similarly ignored during this period) and other great artists of the period, but were prevented from showcasing their development. They continued to have success in the U.K. (Waterloo Sunset hit #2 in the charts), while being virtually forgotten here.

    Give some credit to Warner Brothers Records (and I rarely give ANY credit to record companies, but Warners was really unique at the time) who invested a sizable amount of cash in promoting Arthur and the subsequent supporting tour, all of which laid the groundwork for the success of Lola. After that, despite commercial peaks and valleys thereafter, they remained a presence onstage and record in America until 1993's Phobia CD (which was unusual because the music for the most part was excellent, but the words were a bit shallow---perhaps one last gasp attempt at grabbing the airways).

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:14:26 PM PST

    •  I was unaware about the (3+ / 0-)
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      banning of their live performances in the US.  I wonder if it were taxes or union dues, or both?

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:20:26 PM PST

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      •  Ray has said it was due to mismanagement (2+ / 0-)
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        but we'll probably never know the whole story.

        Either way, they (and we) got screwed!

        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:24:45 PM PST

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        •  The reason for my question (3+ / 0-)
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          is that The American Federation of Musicians is a trade group that sort of likes for it members to be paid union scale, and thus for performers to be in the union.  I do not think that they would care a bit whether or not any taxes were paid, but if their union dues were not paid it is likely that other unionized labor, like the folks running the venues, would not set up stages, etc. for non union bands.

          This is not bashing unions, by the way.  They have gotten a very bad rap from the right, and are necessary to keep pay decent.  Certainly, in some cases they have abused their trust, but if it were not for unions there would be even larger income disparity in this country.

          Warmest regards,

          Doc

          Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

          by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:47:12 PM PST

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  •  My favorite songwriter of all time (11+ / 0-)

    I lovvvvvve Ray Davies and love the Kinks. I've seen Ray so many times I lost track. He entertains as well as he writes. I've seen the Kinks a bunch of times as well. They went through a bit of a fallow period, IMHO, in the late 70's, early 80's, though I never stopped liking them. I even like Herman's Hermits performing Ray's "Dandy" though Ray's snarling version makes the subject sound like he would give you an STD and not tell you about it.

    Doc, you left out an important bit of Kinks history. They were banned from performing in the US at a critical time (65-67, that diminished their impact here.I have heard several explanations for the ban:  their management's decision to hire non-Union stage hands at a show at the Hollywood Bowl; their rowdy and self-destructive behavior on stage; and their management making incredibly stupid decisions during their US tour the first half of '65. Who knows? The labor dispute is ironic since there is no British invasion group more working class than the Kinks, no group that made British working class gritty poverty into eloquent rock music. "We both want to work so hard but we can't get the chance....Dead End!"

    I was but a child at the time but loved them from the first time I heard them. Sarcasm as rock art: "And he's oh so good, and he's oh so fine, and he's oh so healthy in his body and his mind" http://www.youtube.com/... "And he's better than the rest, and his own sweat smells the best".

    I think Ray Davies is a genius. We had tickets to see him this fall in NY around Thanksgiving but the US part of his tour was cancelled due to medical problems. We saw him last year at a small theater in Hartford, the year before at Lupo's in Providence.

    Thanks for the great diary Doc. Now back to my charting...

    "And tell me how does god choose whose prayers does he refuse?" Tom Waits

    by madaprn on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 07:30:52 PM PST

  •  village green preservation society (3+ / 0-)
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    Don't think it had any hits, but that's a great album. Misfits was a good one, too. Ray was good at writing sentimental stuff that wasn't cheesy.

    "We can have concentrated wealth in the hands of a few or we can have democracy, but we can't have both."-- Justice Louis Brandeis

    by ubertar on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:16:12 PM PST

    •  I just could not cover all of their (3+ / 0-)
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      wonderful contributions, due to lack of space and lack of expertise.  That is why I cherish the comments so much.  If you would like to post video embeds and/or links, please feel free to do so.

      Thank you for the information!

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:19:38 PM PST

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    •  Yes! He knew how to touch the heart just right. (2+ / 0-)
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      Never went over the line into schmaltz.

      VGPS created a kind of world of its own, which is why I like it. I wouldn't mind living in that world. Beats the shit out of this one!

      I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

      by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:19:59 PM PST

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  •  I liked your comment about how the Kinks (2+ / 0-)
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    "just couldn't seem to get it right."

    Indeed it seems like whenever they had achieved a level of commercial success, they would immediately sabotage it (or at least fuck it up)and roll back to the margins of cultism.

    I used to say that the Kinks were the world's most successful cult band.

    I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

    by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:43:09 PM PST

    •  That was not intended to (3+ / 0-)
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      be a criticism of them, but just an observation.  Townshend, Jagger, and Lennon used negative press to get their message out even better, but the Davies brothers just seemed to let it go.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      I am shutting down now to attempt to cleanse my computer from whatever happened tonight.  Even with all of the obstacles, you and other loyal readers got over 100 comments here, and I appreciate that very much.  I trust that I will see you Sunday evening on Pique the Geek for an elementary ballistics discussion that includes why Representative Giffords is still alive now.

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 09:49:35 PM PST

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      •  No problem (2+ / 0-)
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        What I meant was that you got it just right.

        As a Kinks fan they were always a bit infuriating: success was always followed by NOT building on it. We wanted them to do well, but they always seemed to fuck it up whenever they had an opportunity.

        In the early 80's they were selling out hockey rinks. By the mid 80's they were back to 3000 seat halls, which was great if you were a fan, but let's be honest:their income had to have declined!

        Anyway, you have already signed off, but thanks again for a great diary on some beautiful music, giving me the opportunity to mouth off!

        I'll be brainstorming the FZ Project/Object.

        I'm not paranoid, I'm just well informed--SherwoodB

        by SherwoodB on Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 10:12:01 PM PST

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  •  and who else could write a rock song about (4+ / 0-)
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    Queen Victoria and her empire?

  •  translator, great piece (1+ / 0-)
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    I always enjoy your writing. Looking forward to many more. See you in DK4 if all goes well.

    •  I was honored enough to be (0+ / 0-)

      asked to try it out months ago by the site administrators.

      Please have no fear!  It will be fine, but, like all changes, will take a little of getting used to understand.  I actually like the new look, and the only concern that I had was promptly dealt with by the folks who run this marvelous place.

      If my time calculations are not incorrect, Pique the Geek will be on version 4 tomorrow (well, now this day) night.  It has to do with the ballistics of why Representative Giffords still lives.

      Warmest regards,

      Doc

      Kennedy: "Ich bin ein Berliner." Meaning, and this won the Cold War, EAT ME!

      by Translator on Sat Feb 05, 2011 at 10:47:13 PM PST

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  •  The great Pere Ubu put it well (2+ / 0-)
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    h/t to lyricist peter laughner

    Life stinks
    I'm seeing pink
    I can't wink
    I can't blink
    I like the Kinks
    I need a drink
    I can't think
    I like the Kinks
    Life stinks

    Pere Ubu - Life Stinks

    "Space Available!" is the biggest retail chain in the nation.

    by Free Jazz at High Noon on Sat Feb 05, 2011 at 02:15:45 AM PST

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