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A dispute over a State Budget is appropriately a matter to be settled by the people of that State through a Democratic process, and the Federal administration has behaved entirely appropriately in staying out. there is however, a cloud on the horizon, for which the President and his crew should prepare.

As the People have asserted and exercized their rights to Speak, Assemble, and Petition on the Capitol Grounds and even in the building, rights protected in these particular venues under caselaw even more strongly by the State Constitution than the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution*, there's growing calls from the Governor's party to exercise force to shut us down.

Lacking support from local Law enforcement agencies (The Madison PDC and Dane county Sheriff.) the governor will find hiumself increasingly tempted to make use, as he'd threatened early on, of the National Guard.

This could be pre-empted by a Nationalization of the Wisconsin Guard, with the Presiudent taking direct control. In this eventuality, they should not be dispatched to Madison, but rather to barracks, primarily at the sprawling base at Fort Mccoy, leaving true peacekeeping to the local authorities who've handled it justv fine thus far. Simply neutralizing any military effort from the Governor should suffice.

*I won a couple cases vs Tommy Thompson in 1987 and 1993, establishing that since the written permit regulations allowed for denial by the Department of Administration purely on discretion, it was essentially void, and while one might chose to apply, and they might chose to grant, lack of a permit in no way curtails assembly and speech rights, you may without sanction act without one.  ANYONE, in ANY Numbers, may assemble, and amplify on the grounds.

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  •  Here's a tip. (24+ / 0-)

    Stop reading about the Wisconsin actions, get your ass over here for the duration.

    We're in the Rotunda, 'til we talke Scott Walka Unda. They thought the could plunda, but they woke the drums of Thunda. Now we're in the Rotunda, gonna take their whole game Unda.

    by ben masel on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 03:53:13 AM PST

    •  I Hope I Can Make it Over (4+ / 0-)
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      Cedwyn, PvtJarHead, Puddytat, Joieau

      Not sure I could go right now without actually losing my job because of the way we are staffed and I don't think that's in anybody's best interest (lest of all mine) but I'm going to try to make it.

      There's also some stuff going on in Lansing this week that I'm going to try to make it to, but it's also at a not great time.

      There's probably already been a diary about this that I missed but... is there a paypal or a webpage where you can put in money for soup / hot chocolate / blankets / whatever for protestors?

  •  And that Gov in Wisconsin is stupid (6+ / 0-)

    and ideological enough to go Kent State on Rush's "parasites".

    In 21st Century America, marijuana is still considered more dangerous than guns.

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    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:12:07 AM PST

  •  I really don't think there's anything to fear.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Floande, erush1345, johnny wurster

    from the Guard.  Some of them surely have family participating and many of them have had to have been watching the protests on various media.

    Remember, the kids at Kent State were throwing rocks at the National Guard for days and there was at least one armed agent provocateur amongst the protesters.

    "War is a Racket" -- MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC

    by PvtJarHead on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:20:28 AM PST

    •  Gawd bless military people... (6+ / 0-)

      who support killing their own country's civilians.

      This is why I don't like military people going into the civilian side of government. The whole mindset of "oh look! they threw a rock! let's blow them away!" is just sick.

      I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

      by punditician on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:28:09 AM PST

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      •  I do not support that.... (2+ / 0-)
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        don't put words in my mouth and don't try reaing something into my comment.

        The violence on the part of the Kent State protesters wes THE EXCUSE USED...  My point is there is no such excuse here.  These protests are completely peaceful and any violent action by the Guard would be seen as WORSE than Kent State.

        "War is a Racket" -- MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC

        by PvtJarHead on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 05:35:25 AM PST

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        •  You have succeeded (1+ / 0-)
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          PvtJarHead

          by this comment, in making your intent a good deal clearer.
          Thank you for this.

          People call me rude. I wish we all were nude. I wish there was no black and white. I wish there were no rules.

          by kestrel9000 on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 11:26:09 AM PST

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          •  Thanks for listening.... (1+ / 0-)
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            I wrote that in a big hurry this morning then saw the negative comments after I got out of the shower.  I had to make some kind of reply before I left for work and am glad I was able to make my meaning clearer.

            Peace

            "War is a Racket" -- MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC

            by PvtJarHead on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 11:36:45 AM PST

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    •  As I investigate (8+ / 0-)

      your claim of an agent provocateur at Kent State, I find sourcing such as Lew Rockwell and the Moonie Times.

      Were this diary actually about the Kent State murders and not about Wisconsin, I would probably hiderate you for CT.

      Amazing to see a kossack justify the murder of these four kids.

      People call me rude. I wish we all were nude. I wish there was no black and white. I wish there were no rules.

      by kestrel9000 on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:32:28 AM PST

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      •  i don't tajke Pvt Jarhead's intent (7+ / 0-)

        as justification for the shootings so much as explaining the fear the Guardsmen were feeling.

        in Madison now, the MPD and Dane Countiy Deputies are wering their everyday uniforms, projecting relaxed posture. As of Saturday, at least, the State patrol had been sent in quasi-military dress, affecting, as I perceived it, their own fear levels even more than those of the protesters both left and right.

        My point is not that the Guard is good or bad, but that intervening here is just not their proper role so long as local law enforcement can continue to provide adequate coveragecfor bona fide public safety.

        We're in the Rotunda, 'til we take Scott Walka Unda. They thought they could plunda, but they woke the Drums of Thunda. Now we're in the Rotunda, gonna bring their whole game Unda.

        by ben masel on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:47:12 AM PST

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      •  I condemn the massacre at Kent State. (3+ / 0-)
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        kestrel9000, Puddytat, Floande

        Read the wikipedia article...  It mentions the provocateur.  That's where that came from.  
        The point of my comment is that I don't see it as comparable because there was indeed violence on the part of the Kent State protesters.

        "War is a Racket" -- MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC

        by PvtJarHead on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 05:26:49 AM PST

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        •  And it (2+ / 0-)
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          remains in dispute whether Norman worked for the FBI, or whether a shot was even actually fired from the crowd.
          Yet you reported it here, uncritically, as fact.

          I remind you that wikipedia can be edited by anyone.

          I do not wish to hijack this thread, but my final question: Why was no shot reported as having been heard on the Strubbe tape?

          People call me rude. I wish we all were nude. I wish there was no black and white. I wish there were no rules.

          by kestrel9000 on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 06:03:10 AM PST

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        •  I remember Kent State (5+ / 0-)

          since I was in college at the time.  Trust me, there was so much ass-covering after the fact it was hard to separate the news from the spin.

          This was the wake up moment in America and a game change the national view of the Viet Nam War.

          The idea that the National Guard were provoked came far after the event and seemed to me to have been  invented to provide cover for the military.   The nation was horrified that our military would open fire on a bunch of college students.  A "reason" for this action had to be found that would soften the national mood so we started hearing about armed students and rock throwing.  No proof was ever found.

          Personally, I never, ever go to Wikipedia.  RWrs are out there in force editing everything to neatly fit in their ideology and removing everything they don't like.  While Wiki sounded like a great idea, the whole anybody can add or detract from it makes it an ideal tool to be manipulated.  Like the Bush administrations use of reporters during the run up to the Iraq War, you can put something in there and then refer back to it as "proof".

          Look with a critical and suspicious eye at anything you find on Wikipedia.  It's not all true.

          There already is class warfare in this country. Unfortunately, the rich are winning. Sue, West Allis, Wis.

          by Puddytat on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 06:15:46 AM PST

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    •  Not so much that I fear the individuals (9+ / 0-)

      in the Guard, as that i question whether they should BE subject to orders motivated by the Governor's political interests. This is a democratic process, not a battlefield.

      the Dane County Sheriff and madision Police Chief understandc that theircrole isto let the political process pklay out, protect public safety, and refuse politically motivated "orders,' but for the military, orders bear a greater presumption of validity.

      We're in the Rotunda, 'til we take Scott Walka Unda. They thought they could plunda, but they woke the Drums of Thunda. Now we're in the Rotunda, gonna bring their whole game Unda.

      by ben masel on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 04:33:36 AM PST

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  •  Kent State? (4+ / 0-)
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    I doubt the majority of the National Guard in Wisconsin, or in any other state for that matter, have ever heard about Kent State, and that is what troubles me.  Yesterday a man diaried about attending the protest with his daughter and he likened it to a Tail Gate Party where everyone was smiling and having a good time.  Except for the fact that there are thousands of people on the Capitol grounds milling about to show their displeasure, why is the N.G. needed at all?  Easing the Gov.'s discomfort?

    •  Walkers a Right Winger (6+ / 0-)

      of the severe Right Wing.  

      They love guns and demonstrations of power and authority.  They're also always afraid, which is why they need a strong leader to protect them and tell them what to do and what to believe.

      While putting the National Guard on alert satisfied those of the ideological right, it exposed him as a man who will force his will with whatever forces he needs.  It horrified the nation that he would use military force against teachers, nurses, and librarians.

      There already is class warfare in this country. Unfortunately, the rich are winning. Sue, West Allis, Wis.

      by Puddytat on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 06:20:45 AM PST

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    •  At some point the Gov will be tempted (0+ / 0-)

      to get this over with through use of force. Get rid of his access to force and you get rid of the temptation.

      We're in the Rotunda, 'til we take Scott Walka Unda. They thought they could plunda, but they woke the Drums of Thunda. Now we're in the Rotunda, gonna bring their whole game Unda.

      by ben masel on Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 09:16:31 AM PST

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