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It's been a couple of weeks and we are settling into our new digs. The re-arranging of the furniture continues a-pace, and the creepy crawlies are gradually being eradicated. Terminex, brought to you courtesy of elfling, ct et al.

Site layout continues to draw comment especially with relation to the Front Page. I have seen suggestions that not enough content is visible in most browsers when the page opens. Whether or not the Title of the top article appears depends a bit on the Community Spotlight box, which re-sizes to accommodate varying Diary Title lengths.

I have also seen the suggestion made that the Community Spotlight box be moved ... Afghanistan might be a good place to put it. Comments that it be moved are, I think, misplaced, and I want to express a view as to why.

In the beginning (catchy start), we had the Rescue Rangers. Actually, we didn't have them in the beginning, they came along later.

They were formed to satisfy a legitimate complaint about older versions of the site. That complaint being that it was very hard for new Diarists to have their work "brought from the gloom to the sunlight".

The Rescue Rangers had but one job. To select, for a FP Diary, ten other Diaries that had been missed by us, the general viewing audience. Those Diaries should have few recommends and comments and, above all else, be well written.

The result was a Diary series that is probably one of the most popular recurring  Series on DK3. Rightly so, you were being singled out as having written a very good Diary. The "rescued" Tag was, and is, highly prized by those who have it attached to their Diaries.

To the Diarists concerned it was very welcome exposure, and I well remember my feelings the very first time a Diary of mine was singled out that way.

Moving on to the transition to DK4.

This move brought forth many complaints of "Balkanization". If you didn't have a shedload of Followers, and couldn't get into the Streams of the regular visitors, how on earth could your Diary ever get noticed? I mean, how do I pit my 73 Followers (thanks guys) against Keith Olbermann's 2600? In addition, the Recent Diary List has been hidden in the basement (it hasn't), so my normal place to see all Diaries, and cruise for good stuff, is gone. There is some legitimacy for some of this, but my personal experience is that it's minor.

Notwithstanding the above, the transition has provided not just problems, but new opportunities, one of which is the Community Spotlight.

No longer is it a single Diary posted after the East Coast is sipping cocoa and reading their Kindles in bed (you do have a Dkos subscription on that thing, yes?). Now it is a roving band like Robin Hood's Merry Men. Not robbing from anyone, but stooping to offer a welcome hand of friendship and help to that wonderful Diary being swamped in a deluge of  output from Kossacks apparently grateful for their own, new found opportunities.

Hourly, or more, new Diaries, and new as well as not so new, Diarists are having their work exposed to the baleful glare of Kossacks the world over. We are not "missing" these contributions, we are, apparently, embracing them with arms wide open.

I can only speak to my own experience. I have seen the Diaries of others go from Rescued to Recommended, I have even changed the Tags on a couple, but I want to describe what has happened to just four of my Diaries in the last couple of weeks.

The English Disease Posted on Feb 15th was stuck on maybe 20 comments and a handful of Recs. Was rescued and now carries "Rescued", "Recommended" and "R to R" Tags. Comments went to over 80

Sweet South Carolina A Diary I am quite pleased with. It is up to the standard I like, but missed out on the rescue, and that's just fine. Went 26 comments and a handful of Recs. Those who read it, liked it and it was shared 7 times. As a Diary it is just as good as the first, in my view.

Mrs Twigg Hates Markos This is an interesting one. Written in my normal style it generated a great thread of 57 comments, and 35 Recommends. Just missed the Rec List and had 452 Views. See, Titles matter :) It wasn't rescued, but neither was it ignored so wouldn't have qualified anyhow.

Finally

Culture War? - We Have to Make it Personal! As I type, this Diary is on the Rec. List. It has 131 Recs and 650 Views. It didn't start out that way. When I went to bed last night it was stuck. It had a few good comments, and a handful of recommends. It was Queued for Community Spotlight, but I could keep my eyes open no longer. When I woke up it had three shiny new Tags .... "Recommended", "Rescued" and "R to R".

All of the above I am very happy with in terms of style and content. I would be hard pressed to pick a favourite (probably The English Disease), but the reception and attention they each received varies widely. It could be that two of them simply appealed more to Kossacks, and it could be that the Community Spotlight is working blindingly well.

Whatever the concerns might have been about well written Diaries not showing above the Diaries of the "cool kids", it is not being born out by my personal experience.

If anything, the new format is bringing those Diaries to a vastly wider audience than they were ever seen by in previous incarnations of this site, and I heartily welcome that.

There is plenty of up-to-the-minute political news here, for even the most insatiable reader, but the Rescue Rangers, and the Community Spotlight are giving a breadth to the site that never existed before.

Front and Center is where the Community Spotlight lives, and that is right where it should stay. It may need adjusting, it might demand some tinkering, but only with the view to improving one of the Crown Jewels of Daily Kos.

just sayin'

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    •  twigg, a question? (2+ / 0-)
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      twigg, Got a Grip

      when you say:

      It was Queued for Community Spotlight,

      where did you see this?  In the CommSpot box on the FP, or did you see it "queued" somewhere else?

      Thanks for your support.

      claude

      don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:38:41 AM PST

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      •  When you open your Diary (3+ / 0-)
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        claude, Got a Grip, rexymeteorite

        Right at the top, above the Title and time will be an extra line:

        "Queued to Community Spotlight".

        CS is a Group, and when a Group Editor adds a Diary to the Group Queue, that line is generated on the original Diary.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:53:51 AM PST

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        •  oh lol (3+ / 0-)
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          claude, twigg, Got a Grip

          thats whats happening?

          we thought people could see our queue. lol.

          I lift weights, but I don't sweat. I go for a swim, but I don't get wet.

          by rexymeteorite on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:02:06 PM PST

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        •  That's interesting. (2+ / 0-)
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          twigg, Got a Grip

          Items "queued" to CS are being considered for Rescue, and may not actually get scheduled, if a consensus of Rangers feel it doesn't meet standards.  Each potential Rescue, as found by a Ranger, goes to the queue, where at least two other Rangers also read it and also agree it is Rescue-worthy, and then gets scheduled to CS, or it gets dropped back off for one reason or another.

          I didn't realize that an individual diarist gets to see that their diary has been "queued" for consideration.  I didn't think that the "public" got to see our queue in process.  I see the difference now.

          Thanks.

          don't always believe what you think...

          by claude on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:07:26 PM PST

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          •  You're welcome :) (2+ / 0-)
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            claude, Got a Grip

            If you don't want it to be visible there are probably two ways to fix it.

            Don't queue them before discussing the merits in you secret drinking den, or get a code change so that it doesn't show up.

            On the flip side. It's useful for a Diarist to know their Diary is queued. It means they can either stick around, or check back regularly to participate in the increased comments.

            Just a few thoughts.

            I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
            but I fear we will remain Democrats.

            by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:13:54 PM PST

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            •  I don't see a problem with it (2+ / 0-)
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              twigg, Got a Grip

              being known to the diarist.

              But we want to be sure our private deliberations are really private so you all don't hear what we REALLY think, LOL.

              don't always believe what you think...

              by claude on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:26:29 PM PST

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              •  Rest assured that (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Got a Grip

                as far as I know, no one can see the Editors comments in your Diary Queue.

                Besides, you guys only say nice things about us :p

                I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
                but I fear we will remain Democrats.

                by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:29:23 PM PST

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                •  The things you learn on this site. LOL! (2+ / 0-)
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                  vcmvo2, twigg

                  I had no idea that it told you your diary was queued.  Interesting.

                  I see no problem with a diarist see it has been queued.  There are other reasons why a diary might become "unqueued."  For instance, if it gets too many comments and recs before posting according to our standards then it's getting attention and conversation, which is the goal, so it won't need what we have to offer.  If it hits the rec list before going into the box then it doesn't need our help, either.  So there are a variety of reasons for a diary to make it to the queue but not to the box.

                  The very fact that a diary makes it to our queue means there is something that is at least intriguing within the diary.  So if your diary doesn't making it all the way to the CS box, then take that queue notification as a sign of encouragement, and keep writing and refining your writing to improve it.  That's what Community Spotlight is all about - to get more eyes on good writing.

                  "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." Ernest Hemingway

                  by Got a Grip on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:15:00 PM PST

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  •  I agree (9+ / 0-)

    This new box is a great asset. I don't see a downside. It helps the community and it recognizes the hard work of unpaid writers.

    "The stench of fascism is in the air." Gov. Pat Brown

    by Red Bean on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:54:09 AM PST

  •  I kinda wish DK4 (3+ / 0-)
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    twigg, TooFolkGR, Deep Texan

    came as a build it yourself kit .
    "Kos in a Box"
    Have it your way !

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:57:53 AM PST

  •  Early on in my lurking here (9+ / 0-)

    I posted a comment with a personal story in it.  SusanG replied and suggested I expand it into a diary.  I did, and she generously rescued it.

    Like many people here I was so overawed by the talented and informative writing found here on a daily basis that I didn't think anyone would care one whit about what I had to say.  But getting rescued showed me that all kinds of communications are welcomed here.

    IMHO the Community Spotlight is the natural balance to the star writers frequently found on the Rec list.  It rewards what deserves to be rewarded and it coaxes the shy out into the open.

    And I'm not sayin' this just because I recently had another diary rescued: NIXON!!

    FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
    RNC: The only thing we have is fear.

    by smileycreek on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:59:47 AM PST

  •  I Think they should Just Merge It... (2+ / 0-)
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    twigg, DRo

    ...with the Front Page.  So something that gets "Rescued" goes into the front page list.  Either that, or make it half the size it is (so it only holds three instead of six) but when something in it makes the "rec" list, it automatically drops out of the CS box...

    At this point I'm so used to scrolling past it that I don't really consider it an inconvenience any more, but it seems unlikely that our front pagers are writing anything more intelligent, insightful, or of higher quality than the stuff that's getting rescued, so just throw them all in the same list.

    •  We had the discussion (2+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, Miep

      the other day about removing Rec List Diaries from the CS.

      kos doesn't want that, at least not yet.

      I guess folk want a settling down period before making rushed changes.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:11:55 AM PST

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    •  I think the problem there (2+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, twigg

      would be that the CS box would either be changing sizes frequently, or else old rescued diaries that had moved into the previous pages would have to show back up at some times. It would be kind of jerky and not smooth-flowing.

      Also if a diary is in the CS box for a few minutes, gets enough recs to be on the rec list for a few minutes, and then drops off the rec list, you don't want it to leave the CS box that quickly. So that's another complicating factor.

      I don't see an easy way to automate this, although the RR's can always remove things by hand.

      At the same time, I don't see it as a problem to have a piece be both in the CS box and the rec list at the same time, as the CS box moves according to how many diaries are rescued, and that's flexible. Leaving a diary there won't get in anybody's way. The rec list has a fixed number of diaries, and at any point is going to list the top-rated diaries according to the algorithm. Really two very different things.

      •  Markos agrees with you, for now (2+ / 0-)
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        Garrett, Miep

        The Rescue Rangers are putting the other point of view.

        That is, their mission id to expose Diaries that are well written, but over-looked. A Diary that appears on the Rec List, however briefly, is rarely "overlooked", and moving them out of the CS allows more Diaries to be exposed.

        As it is .... If they put two Diaries an hour into CS, then they are Rescuing about 50 Diaries a day, or up to that number. That is five times the previous number, and it gives them better exposure than before too.

        Towards the end of DK3 we were getting maybe 150 to 170 Diaries a day. This system would have allowed the RR to showcase nearly one third of them!

        Given that we are currently getting far more Diaries than that, 50 is a good number to be working with.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 06:47:59 PM PST

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        •  I'm seeing it all as a balancing act (2+ / 0-)
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          Garrett, twigg

          the elements of which are likely going to change quite a bit as you go along for some months now. That right there is the best reason to stop changing things for now. Wait until it stabilizes some.

          Trying to fish the R2R diaries out of CS would be an added complication. I'm not saying don't do it...it depends, but it depends on more than one thing. I can see the biggest problem being too much success, which would mean attracting more talent, which is ultimately an opportunity, a challenge in a positive sense, not a problem. And...that's good!

  •  I've spent more time with rescued diaries on dk4 (8+ / 0-)

    than I did on dk3.

    The news junkie in me was overly concerned about the freshness of nightime rescues.  

    The spotlight, and the around-the-clock aspect of how it works now, has changed that.

    I love the percentage of names I've never seen before up there.  And I love that there's attention paid specifically to crisp writing.

    Thanks Rangers!

  •  A couple of suggestions (5+ / 0-)
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    claude, twigg, TooFolkGR, smileycreek, the tmax

    I would like to see a daily rescue openthread in my stream without getting every rescued diary there.

    I would like to see that diaries that make the rec list retired from the Community Spotlight and replaced with something fresher. I understand that having diaries on both lists is great advertising for the Spotlight.

    It's a great feature.

    •  Maybe the return of (1+ / 0-)
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      aoeu

      High Impact Diaries could serve that Open Thread request.

      See above re moving Rec Listed Diaries.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:13:36 AM PST

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    •  aoeu, I basically agree (2+ / 0-)
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      twigg, aoeu
      I would like to see that diaries that make the rec list retired from the Community Spotlight and replaced with something fresher.

      and this has been discussed with Kos.  He may decide to add this refinement later, but right now, the way it is is how he wants it.

      don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:14:19 PM PST

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    •  so you want the option (1+ / 0-)
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      the tmax

      of subscribing to "Rescue" in a daily digest form as opposed to via individual diaries?

      That would be a neat feature if it could be automated.

      It's not clear to me that leaving R2R diaries on CS makes CS stale, since there is no top limit for rescuing diaries; they are just going by what doesn't reach a certain impact level that is of good quality. What is driving the flow is the number of essays that meet these criteria.

  •  I started out not liking the feature, (8+ / 0-)

    and now I love it. The Community Spotlight seemingly does what it is supposed to: it promotes diarists not normally on the rec list, and finds good stories or causes to shed light on. I've found that I like a lot of the stuff the Rangers pull up.

    I'm OK with keeping it where it is, too. I guess I'm getting used to the new digs now. :)

    No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up. -- Lily Tomlin

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:06:26 AM PST

  •  I simply don't bother with the front page anymore (6+ / 0-)

    so I no longer care about the annoying feature box, the location of the Community Spotlight, or the fonts used.  I was getting tired of clicking, so now I just switch back and forth between the Diaries tab and my stream.

    When I click on the Diaries tab, I get the list of recent diaries, and on the side there's the rec list, and below that, the Community Spotlight diaries.  So I can keep my finger on the pulse of the site easily that way.

    I follow the FP group, so the front page posts show up in my stream, along with diaries for tags/groups I'm following where I want to be sure that I see the diaries even if I missed when they first appeared on the recent diaries list.

    The Front Page is, as such, completely redundant, and I've been able to reduce my clicking quite a bit in this fashion.

    •  Yeah On DK3 (1+ / 0-)
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      ZenTrainer

      I would mainly scroll down to the recent list, go through it and look for interesting things, and then go to my page and click my comments tab to look for responses.

      I do occasionally enjoy the front page articles, but the Community Spotlight box is more or less invisible to me now since I'm just scrolling past it.  It's like the ads for the Genesis Code or whatever... though I suppose if I paid for a subscription I could bypass those.

  •  When I open dKos, (5+ / 0-)

    The first thing i want to see - like any newspaper- is the front page headline.

    I no longer can without scrolling, and I think that's a problem.

    Rescue list is a good feature, and serves an important purpose, but why isn't it in the right-hand column just below the rec list?

  •  this is a great (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Garrett, vcmvo2, twigg, Got a Grip

    feature

    There was a diary earlier in the week, that showed what a great success it has been on DK4

    "Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot; those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged."

    by IL JimP on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:23:23 AM PST

  •  I think that the high (5+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, Red Bean, twigg, Got a Grip, Miep

    Rescued to Recommended rate now, just plain shows that Rescued diaries were always crying out for some readership, which site dynamics and design, and not so much the kind of diaries we recommend, prevented them from getting.

    Community Spotlight is the greatest and easiest to point to DK4 success.

    In the beginning (catchy start), we had the Rescue Rangers. Actually, we didn't have them in the beginning, they came along later.

    True.

    •  I tend to see it as mechanical (2+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, twigg

      since lots of the old rescued diaries could no longer be rec'd, or not for very long, and the DR was published as night - and also due to a tendency for people to be more likely to read things that were published more recently.

      •  I thought that too (2+ / 0-)
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        Garrett, Miep

        But the numbers are showing that that is not a major factor.

        It appears to be the exposure that is doing the trick.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 06:50:03 PM PST

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        •  but how can you tell (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Garrett, twigg

          how much earlier exposure has to do with it? I don't see how you can say for sure unless you did something like removing the top box (leaving the sidebar list) as an experiment. And even then, you are left with at least two factors (longer period to rec, and people's tendency to be attracted to more recently published work).

          Point being; you've changed more than one thing, all at once. Still, I do get your point that the numbers are dramatic. Whatever it was, it worked :-)

          •  Yeah, and I can't say (1+ / 0-)
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            Miep

            because I don't have the click through numbers.

            It's not too hard though to project that earlier rescuing, and a very prominent position will lead to more exposure.

            And if it ain't broken, it's unlikely to be fixed :)

            I agree ... whatever was done, appears to be working.

            I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
            but I fear we will remain Democrats.

            by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:50:34 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Rebuttle (6+ / 0-)

    There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to indicate the Community Spotlight would not be equally as effective if it were moved over to the side. Why? Because it hasn't been tried.

    It is, however, plainly clear that the CS pushes the FP off the screen. And in my (and many other people's) opinion, it creates a cluttered, visually exhausting design.

    The arguments you make in support of the CS do not in any way address the problem.


    "Preventive war is a crime not easily committed by a country that retains any traces of democracy." -George Orwell

    by Zackpunk on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:39:05 AM PST

    •  For what its worth (2+ / 0-)
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      Red Bean, twigg

      I don't think it would be a "spotlight" then, ya know? If it were to just get bumped below the rec list, I don't think we would really have the ability to bring as many views as some people have been getting out of the CS box. I think the whole goal here was to pick the best diaries from the most unknown writers and put them up at the top for all to see. Putting the list to the side, below the rec list, defeats that purpose.

      Then again I am a ranger and I am biased. So take that opinion with as much salt as necessary.

      I lift weights, but I don't sweat. I go for a swim, but I don't get wet.

      by rexymeteorite on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:58:43 AM PST

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    •  Well yes (1+ / 0-)
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      Got a Grip

      I do acknowledge that some find that to be an issue for them.

      On the other hand, I am looking at the screen with either a mouse or a touchpad right under my finger, and do not find it hard to roll the wheel, or move my finger 1/4 inch.

      I just don't think that the potential loss of the "Spotlight" for Diaries that deserve highlighting, is worth risking for the convenience of a few extra lines of the Front Page.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:00:10 PM PST

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      •  Question (2+ / 0-)
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        littlesky, twigg

        Do diaries on the Rec List -- which as you know is located on the right hand side of the page -- receive greater or fewer clicks than diaries in the Community Spotlight panel?

        I understand the logic behind assuming that putting the CS front and center means giving it more attention. But the psychology behind this may surprise you. From a design point of view, I believe people's eyes are motivated to blow past the CS and, as you put it, hit that scroll wheel.

        Believe it or not, putting the CS over to the side, above the Rec List, may actually give it more attention. It's better design, and better design helps the viewer find the important content.

        I believe that moving the CS over may actually improve its success.


        "Preventive war is a crime not easily committed by a country that retains any traces of democracy." -George Orwell

        by Zackpunk on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:22:33 PM PST

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        •  The Diaries I have had in the CS (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Garrett, Got a Grip

          Have received "views" out of all proportion.

          For example, the latest, the Culture War Diary, has been in the Spotlight for longer than the Rec List, and it has received about 100 views since falling off the Rec List.

          It's now at 750 Views.

          That suggests to me that the CS is indeed gaining a lot of extra views, which turn into Tips in the Jar, even if they don't turn into Recs.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:27:14 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  That doesn't really address the point (1+ / 0-)
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            twigg

            The point isn't whether or not the CS generates views. The point is whether or not a diary on the CS generates more views than a diary on the Rec List.

            And also, the question is whether or not moving the CS over to the side would hinder or improve the CS. The tremendous power the Rec List has to generate views is evidence that putting something on the side does not necessarily decrease its visibility. And there is a clear visual need to do it, I argue.

            I have a clearly articulated reason to move the CS over, and evidence to support that doing so would be beneficial.

            But those who want the CS to stay where it is do not really have a clear argument as to how it aids the overall visual design of the site -- they only have an argument as to how it aids the overall purpose of the CS, and even that is mere conjecture because nobody really knows that it would function any worse in the right column.


            "Preventive war is a crime not easily committed by a country that retains any traces of democracy." -George Orwell

            by Zackpunk on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:11 PM PST

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        •  The plural of anecdote... (2+ / 0-)
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          twigg, Got a Grip

          ...isn't data, but it's my personal impression that CS diaries get a LOT of views, especially considering that many topics that make CS are not the hotbutton topics that naturally act as eyeball magnets.

          Off the cuff, I have no real way of knowing what proportion of readers hit on those CS links versus mouse wheeling the box off the screen, but my limited interaction with CS is that is has been markedly effective.

          "We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it's nothing."

          by Serpents Choice on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:50:40 PM PST

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    •  Just add /section (1+ / 0-)
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      twigg

      after the usual URL, and that will give you a portal where the CS box at the top doesn't show up.

  •  I prefer it on the side (2+ / 0-)
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    twigg, ZenTrainer

    and since I don't come into the "front page" anymore, it doesn't really matter to me.  

  •  I would prefer it on the side or the bottom (1+ / 0-)
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    ZenTrainer

    I always liked the rescues and this is an improvement in that are available in time to get eyes and end up on the rec list; whereas before we didn't see them 'til the end of the day.  But I think being on the very top is a mistake.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:02:25 PM PST

  •  About the prominent placement, (5+ / 0-)
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    claude, twigg, Got a Grip, Gabriel D, Miep

    I think it's fair to say that it is a Statement.

    The placement is entirely intentional and considered. The placement is expressive of redesign goals, of what the redesign was meant to do. The placement is expressive of site identity.

    •  precisely. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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      don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:19:21 PM PST

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    •  Good! (4+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, vcmvo2, Got a Grip, Miep

      Because it appears from here to be exceeding expectations, and goes a long way to answering the critics who said that such Diaries would be hard to find in DK4.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:32:47 PM PST

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    •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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      If there's an element I wasn't fond of, it would be that Feature box at the upper right.  In a world where I was dictator ... well, I'd be ousted from power faster than you can say "Middle East instability".  But shortly before that, I'd ditch the feature box.  I don't like it.  I don't understand the process that chooses its topics and I don't see what it offers above and beyond the FP and the Rec List.

      In my brief tenure as overlord, then, I'd have "Welcome Back" box and the Rec List begin at the top of the page, level with the top of the CS box.  Basically, this would move Welcome Back into the column where the ads are located.  Welcome Back is shorter than the Feature box, so this actually increases ad visibility as a side effect.

      ReceRec would start below the Rec List, as it does now.

      It's true that the FP content would still be below the fold, so to speak, but I think that's fine.  By putting CS and the top of the Rec List in the initial frame, you highlight both the community's most important current topics (via Rec List) and a sample of the community's quality and depth (via CS).

      The FP posts operate outside of the community-contribution model of DK4, and aren't immediately visible (window size depending), but they have the advantage of their enhanced display and large amount of screen real estate following a scroll.  They're still important.

      "We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it's nothing."

      by Serpents Choice on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:47:11 PM PST

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  •  RESCUE MY *$(#)% DIARY, TWIGG! (1+ / 0-)
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    twigg

    To be honest, I like the idea of the CS box, but I don't use it, since they're all added to my stream anyway.

    Plus, the sour grapes thing; I haven't had a rescue since we moved to DK4.

    •  That would just make me (1+ / 0-)
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      Garrett

      try harder :)

      You follow the Tag? Smart.

      Most visitors are casual ones who don't have accounts, they can't do that. The folk who are regulars here probably have other ways to find things.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 05:18:14 AM PST

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      •  The invisible not-logged-in, (0+ / 0-)

        who move constantly among us, in greater numbers than we are usually aware of.

        I'd be intrigued to know what their range of opinions is, about the change.

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