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House Republicans unveiled a stopgap spending bill on Friday afternoon that would avert a government shutdown for two weeks while making dramatic cuts to social programs, totaling $4 billion. Senate Democrats flatly rejected such an offer on Wednesday, but today took a more conciliatory stance, while continuing to press for a monthlong extension.

We all know what this means. It means Harry Reid, scared as usual, is rationalizing his abandonment of social programs because he can't seem to avoid a checkmate in our current game of "Who will orchestrate the blame for a government shutdown?" And the problem is this is not over an actual budget, but he's willing to give make these cuts for a TWO WEEK EXTENSION.

Once again, the republicans have made demands and, once again, we democrats have caved into them without even a fight.

Lets make this perfectly clear. If a government shutdown occurs, it will be the republicans fault. THEY are the only one's calling for it. THEY are the only one's demanding cuts that effect the poorest of us when they have already won the cuts that enrich the wealthiest of us.

Tax cuts for the rich.

Cuts in social programs.

No wall street reform.

No public option.

How much do our elected officials, the people who said they stood for us, have to left to offer that they are not willing to bargain away out of personal fear and an inability to fight?

This is the watershed moment. Our party HAS TO STAND FOR SOMETHING. And standing up doesn't mean standing down. There are those out there who believe it's all fixed. That our party has happily accepted second rate status so they can receive their lobby money and pork. I reject that. Our side can't seem to agree on anything, least of all a behind-closed-doors ruse on the public.

The truth is we have elected people, from the President down, who have no fight in them. Without a fight, everything in the democratic agenda is vulnerable. EVERYTHING.

Will anyone EVER defend us?Updated by Verbalpaintball at Sat Feb 26, 2011, 03:01:26 PM

It AMAZES me the amount of people who are willing to defend the democrats capitulation here. You do realize this battle has been going on for half a year. This is the first administration in decades that has not been able to SET A YEARLY BUDGET and all of this is due to push-back from republicans.


Furthermore, these tax cuts our cowardly senators have agreed to are only agreed to so the government can avoid a shut down FOR ONLY TWO WEEKS. If they're not willing to stand their ground now (or the other three times continuing resolutions were forced on them over this) what makes you think in two weeks, when this bullshit starts all over again, they're going to be any different?


As it is right now republicans have bragging rights - and essentially their opposing party agreeing silently that cuts must be made.


Cuts in this budget - the current budget, not even 2012 - are for shit. All it means is we've lost again. I just don't understand people who enable and support obvious failure.


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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

    by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 07:52:11 AM PST

  •  Do you have a link (7+ / 0-)

    to your blockquote?

    In related articles that I've read this morning, I've not seen anything about "dramatic cuts to social programs".

    Rather, this is what I've seen:

    About $2.7 billion of the proposed savings would come from rescinding unspent funds, such as water projects and local economic initiatives, earmarked by past Congresses. The remaining third, or $1.24 billion, is attributed to eight terminations, impacting broadband loan subsidies and various smaller education programs, as well as $650 million from a general spending account financed through the highway trust fund.

    http://www.politico.com/...

    and here:

    Among other cuts, the Republican plan targets $650 million in highway funds, $200 million in housing funds and $250 million for a reading program at the Department of Education and eliminates a literacy program at that department which the administration labeled "ineffective."

    http://www.cnn.com/...

    And here's the actual text of the bill:

    http://thehill.com/...

    •  Regardless of the amount of cuts and to where... (3+ / 0-)
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      it would seem an indication that plans for "The Compromise" are under way, to the cutting (of whatever amounts) of funds that are probably if not certainly needed.

      And a compromise that is less than what Dems requested.

      Which seems to always be how it works, concessions more toward Republican requests than Democratic requests... even while Dems controlled large majorities.

      Odd and curious, that.

      But no surprise the Democrats are once again ready and willing to concede the grounds and framing that "spending is the problem", when readers of our DKos Community Spotlight know that "Spending Isn't The Problem".

      And no surprise there are and will be those seemingly willing to try to diminish discontent, create confusion, and make the usual excuses for it...

      More and Better Democrats

      by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 08:35:07 AM PST

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      •  Sort of ironic (1+ / 0-)
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        Regardless of the amount of cuts and to where...

        So the facts don't matter?

        And no surprise there are and will be those seemingly willing to try to diminish discontent, create confusion, and make the usual excuses for it...

        And there will be those always willing to enflame discontent with whatever they can latch on to, regardless of the facts.

    •  Please don't confuse them with facts. (2+ / 0-)
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      It gets in the way of the endless rant.

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

      by OIL GUY on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 10:48:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  That is why it is not my party (1+ / 0-)
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    David Futurama

    Everyday some prominent Democratic politician reminds me why I chose not to join their party and decided to become a "Decline to State" voter.

    (-7.75,-5.64) Bush to the rich: "I call you my base". Obama to the rich : "When you do well, America does well".

    by Whirlaway on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 08:21:51 AM PST

  •  Don't let facts (10+ / 0-)

    get in the way of a petulant rant.

    The Republicans backed down, not Reid. They wanted two weeks of their own cuts. Now they're settling for two weeks of Obama's cuts.

    We won.

    They lost.

    You're wrong.

    And now, back to our regularly scheduled whining.

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

    by dhonig on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 08:41:14 AM PST

    •  You call that winning? (4+ / 0-)

      Winning is controlling the narrative, which is that our social programs are not the reason we have a deficit.

      Winning is NOT cutting programs that justify that the republican's platform is correct.

      You obviously like to rationalize away power as well.

      "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

      by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 08:58:12 AM PST

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      •  We can focus on that later (6+ / 0-)
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        fcvaguy, dhonig, 5x5, greengemini, wwjjd, flhiii88

        Right now, we are a week away from a possible shutdown that leadership in neither party wants. We don't have time to win an argument like this. We can't suddenly "win" an ideological argument that's been plaguing the country for 100 years in a week, especially since we don't have a House majority.

        Dhonig is 100% right. The Republicans originally wanted $60 billion in cuts. Now they get $4 billion. That's caving to the Democrats, pure and simple.

        Look, there will be cuts. The GOP wants them, and since they have the House, we HAVE to give them SOME of what they want.

        People panic too much on this site.

        by thematt523 on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 09:04:28 AM PST

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        •  Anyone notice how it seems... (4+ / 0-)

          we always have to focus on that later, while we stay busy focusing on how to cave to Republicans because something has to be done now?

          One wonders when later is, when it's always now.

          More and Better Democrats

          by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 09:53:30 AM PST

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          •  Where are we caving (2+ / 0-)
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            dhonig, thematt523

            by agreeing to massive cuts to social programs? That's what the diary says.

            •  What definition of "social programs"... (0+ / 0-)

              are you using that it does not include education programs for the lesser off?

              I'm interested in the mental gymnastics you're performing to find and mount a defense...

              More and Better Democrats

              by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:06:49 PM PST

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              •  Keep digging (1+ / 0-)
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                Did you even read what the actual cuts are???  One of the links I provided, which btw the diarist provided NONE, says there are some education cuts to programs that the Department of Education says have not proven effective.

                Next?

                Facts are not mental gymnastics. In fact, you said the facts are irrelvant. LOL

                •  Yes, I read them. (0+ / 0-)

                  They are cuts to education programs for at-risk children/students and need-based gratns for literacy and the like.

                  I'm serious.

                  what warped and twisted defintion of "social programs" are you using to declassify them as such?

                  More and Better Democrats

                  by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:29:42 PM PST

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                  •  If you read them (1+ / 0-)
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                    you would have seen that the DoE said they were ineffective programs. But, yet, you consider them "massive cuts to social programs".

                    When you have something legitimate, get back to me, k?

                    •  Okay. (0+ / 0-)

                      If the DoE says it, it must be so.

                      Just like when the DoD says something is necessary or not. Government never makes things up to its own end.

                      I'll be sure to get back to you.

                      I just hope I don't cut into your "reported to MB" time...

                      More and Better Democrats

                      by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:37:44 PM PST

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                •  Your argument's pathetic... (0+ / 0-)

                  and your link's above. Did you think I made that quote up?

                  Doesn't really matter. People like you - those who will enable a party that has turned on it's own voters (and I'm a centrist, by the way) are too far gone to convince of anything.

                  If you don't understand the value of a line in the sand you're lost.

                  "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

                  by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:32:57 PM PST

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        •  This phrase alone... (0+ / 0-)
          We don't have time to win an argument like this.

          ...is the primary reason democrats will continue to lose and republicans will continue to gain.

          The argument, the fight, the standing of ground - whatever you want to call it - isn't a moveable goal. The general public already perceives our party as a bunch of weak-kneed cowards who cave at every turn.

          I'll ask this question again:

          When will our side take a stand? Anyone? Because what's happening is not us taking a stand. It's us cowering to a party that doesn't fear us in any way, shape or form.

          Without even the slightest amount of fear in us, they will get everything they want and we will continue to feel we've won in our small, insignificant battles where winning means we're still allowed to take a piss without asking everyone permission.

          "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

          by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:07:32 PM PST

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          •  Well (0+ / 0-)

            The Republicans originally wanted $60 billion in cuts. We said no. So they said $4 billion. Therefore, the Republicans caved, not us.

            Even if we did have time, what could the Democrats possibly do to change the Republicans' mind on this? We have to give them SOMETHING, and they have to give US something.

            People panic too much on this site.

            by thematt523 on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:49:34 PM PST

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            •  You're kidding me, right? (0+ / 0-)

              They got 4 billion in cuts for allowing us to AVOID A SHUTDOWN FOR TWO WEEKS. Then we START negotiating for how many cuts the real year-long CR will have (we can't even begin to hope that our party will fight for an actual passed budget at this point).

              Do you think this is the end of story for the 2011 budget? This all begins again in the next few weeks and I can guarantee you it will not be 4 billion cut out of the total budget for the rest of this year.

              All we did was give the republicans justification that we should cut more and that we, as a party, will back down from every fight.

              Get a clue.

              "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

              by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:53:16 PM PST

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              •  And... (0+ / 0-)
                We have to give them SOMETHING, and they have to give US something.

                They never budge. Ever. And what you call concessions are breadcrumbs to the right. Our elected officials rationalize it and act as if they received something in return.

                We constantly apologize for our platform. As a result, we end up vulnerable.

                What we need are people who will forcefully make the case that the middle class deserve a little more than bullshit we've seen. Clinton was willing to have these fights. He actually raised rates on the top 5%. He never blinked when the GOP decided to have a shutdown.

                What have these people we elected done?

                "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

                by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:57:17 PM PST

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                •  Then we're fucked (0+ / 0-)

                  if both sides can't agree, then we're screwed. I have enough money to move to another country if I have to.

                  And you're honestly praising Clinton? Really? The person who, according to others on this website, caved to everything the GOP wanted?

                  Look, this is the best we're gonna get. Neither side wants a shutdown. And they did budge. They lowered the amount they want to cut. That's caving, at least in your eyes. The Democrats said no, and the Republicans changed. If anything, you should be proud of how strong the Democrats were.

                  Answer my question below: What could the Democrats do that you wouldn't consider to be "caving" AND could pass the House?

                  People panic too much on this site.

                  by thematt523 on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 01:16:04 PM PST

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          •  What could the Democrats (0+ / 0-)

            do that you wouldn't consider to be "caving" AND could pass the House?

            People panic too much on this site.

            by thematt523 on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:51:35 PM PST

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      •  Yes (8+ / 0-)

        The issue is not whether we should have cuts, but what to cut. For example, the White House and the Pentagon want to cut the second engine for the F35, Republicans don't. The White House wants to cut $3.8B in subsidies for deep-water oil leases. Republicans don't.

        It's not that they want to cut and we don't. They want to cut from the working class. We want to cut from the oligarchs.

        So yes, I call that winning.

        Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Palate Press: The online wine magazine.

        by dhonig on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 09:08:19 AM PST

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    •  Ya (1+ / 0-)
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      dhonig

      I'm still googling for the massive cuts in social programs.

  •  HARRY REID IS WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

    "You can't fix stupid!" - Ron White

  •  Diarist has a history (3+ / 0-)
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    fcvaguy, OIL GUY, flhiii88

    of premature bashing. NOTHING the Democrats do will ever be enough to please them.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 10:33:03 AM PST

    •  So (1+ / 0-)
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      David Futurama

      If you're good with the party capitulating to the republicans at every turn - and considering the few broken bones the throw us a victory - then you should be ecstatic beyond  words with today's democratic party. As far as I'm concerned -and many others given the democrats lack of popularity over the past 30 years- cowards have no place representing my interests.

      "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

      by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 11:18:37 AM PST

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      •  You say that like its a fact (2+ / 0-)
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        dhonig, Whimsical

        Your diary claims massive cuts in social programs. PROVE IT.

        •  By accepting a budget that is.. (0+ / 0-)

          equal or less than the previous year - which has been the case for two months and looks to be the case going forward - means social programs and everything else will lose. Understand inflation?

          The 2011 budget - the original one - hasn't even been debated and will likely be wittled down to less than last year given the caving by our party. If you think another continuing resolution without any cuts to fill out the rest of the year (which I can guarantee you will not be the case given the republican's success) is a victory, you have no clue what you're talking about.

          We've already lost. The question is how many more times will we lose until the year's budget is complete in September. Tell you in two weeks.

          "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

          by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:12:59 PM PST

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          •  I posted two links (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Whimsical

            about what the cuts are. You posted none.

            I posted the actual bill, you did not. But, you're going to sit here and tell me that regardless of the facts, "social programs and everything else will lose"?

            No. Let's deal with facts. Right now, you don't have many.

            •  Give me a break. (0+ / 0-)

              Here's your damn link above. And you know what? This isn't about trading footnotes.

              We are supporters of a party that are made up of either leaders or followers. Leaders get what they want. Followers take what they get.

              Guess which one's we've been for four years. Do you think the republicans think the same way you do?

              "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

              by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:40:03 PM PST

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            •  He never does. (1+ / 0-)
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              No facts, because facts get in the way of his Democrat bashing agenda.

              And when he's shown to be wrong he never apologizes just jumps screaming to his next hysterical conclusion.

              "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

              by Whimsical on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:53:30 PM PST

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          •  a CR is a reality, not a victory or a loss (0+ / 0-)

            this will not be solved by Mar 4th. It will not be solved if you were in charge of the WH and the Senate combined and everything was done the way you'd like because we don't control the House.

            So despite your apparent belief that we have three options prior to Mar 4th, CR, govt shutdown, and passing a bill without a single cut to any social program...

            That third option is impossible. So there are two options left. Govt shutdown, or CR. Last time I checked, a Gov't shutdown does not mean social programs are fully funded.

            •  What is reality... (1+ / 0-)
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              has been cooked for four years.

              Reid has NEVER taken a stand in four years. Do you remember the last four years. I do. I remember every battle - and how, every single time, our proposals have been decimated by a minority.

              I have watched how this man and his cowardly associates in the Senate have turned the Democratic party into a bunch of rollovers. Do you see the republicans rolling over? EVER?

              Ask yourself that. Who's getting the better of all these deals. Every single time it's been the GOP. How does that sit with you, or are you happy being a supporter of a party of eunichs?

              "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

              by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:37:45 PM PST

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              •  I'm going to guess (2+ / 0-)
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                dhonig, Whimsical

                you were abducted by aliens during the month of December.

                Because clearly you don't remember the last four months much less the last four years.

                •  We got a few things in December... (1+ / 0-)
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                  Do you know why? The senate actually USED it's majority for the first time in four years - and had the republicans over a barrel through smart chess and bullying. THAT'S the way it needs to be done.

                  Once - in four years - to give something to the base. Now, it's back to coasting and capitulating.

                  And, by the way, if you think repeal of DADT after four years of capitulation is a monumental victory, once again you're delusional.

                  "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. It's how you ladle the gravy." - Felix Ungar

                  by Verbalpaintball on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:47:48 PM PST

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                  •  I was just going to say that. (0+ / 0-)

                    DADT and the damn START treaty don't count.  DADT has nothing to do with domestic spending and nobody gives a hoot about some symbolic nuclear arms treaty.  We can still destroy the world many times over so that's just geopolitical BS.

                  •  lol (2+ / 0-)
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                    yes please tell the gay servicemen and women that the repeal of DADT is not a monumental victory. When they laugh in your face get back to me.

                    Tell them that no longer defending DOMA in court isn't a big victory. Tell us why START isn't a big deal as it ensures that the nuclear material just waiting to be sold to the highest bidder in Russia is better accounted for.

                    Tell us why landmark health care legislation that stops prexisting conditions from losing one's health care and covers kids who weren't going to be covered is no big deal.

                    Finally, tell us how exactly you think there are any choices other than a CR or a shutdown in the next two weeks. I think your responses could be entertaining, but I am darn sure know that if hyperbolic losing your lunch were fuel, you'd solve this nation's energy needs by yourself.

      •  yawn (2+ / 0-)
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        at some point the overwrought hyperbolic histrionics get boring.

      •  Yes, you obviously prefer (0+ / 0-)

        tehadists representing your interests because that is what  your actions and attitude will lead to.

        I'm out.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Sat Feb 26, 2011 at 12:56:19 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

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