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That is, as long as it’s “Christian” bullying.

About a week ago, the Kentucky House Education Committee overwhelmingly passed HB 370, a bill expanding anti-bullying protections to cover gay, lesbian, and bisexual students.  And by “overwhelmingly,” I mean 21-1.  Pretty much everybody on the committee agreed – all students, even the gay ones, should be able to learn in an atmosphere free of bullying.

Enter Mike Harmon (R-Danville).  Harmon - who believes being gay is a sin - has a different view on the proposed bill.  Even though the anti-bullying language includes religion, he’s concerned the protections extended to gay students might discriminate against the good, moral, saved-'n-sanctified Christians who have a problem with their gay peers.  Because, as we all know, the real victims are the fundamentalist Christians.  Never mind Tyler Clementi, Seth Walsh, Justin Aaberg, Billy Lucas, Cody Barker, Asher Brown, Harrison Chase Brown, Raymond Chase, Caleb Nolt, Felix Sacco, and the countless other gay kids who have taken their lives because of bullying.  Pity their bullies instead, whose bullying might be unfairly impeded by anti-bullying legislation.

Now that the bill has made it to the floor, Harmon has introduced an amendment allowing students with fundamentalist views on homosexuality to state their opposition to their gay peers freely and openly.  As long as there is no physical harm or property damage.

Harmon has filed an amendment that would allow students to condemn other students' sexual preferences as long as that expression of a religious belief does not include physical harm or damaging property. "If someone, just in conversation, said, 'You know, I think homosexuality is a sin,' well we don't want that child to be bullied because they have a certain moral or religious belief," said Harmon, "And we don't want them, certainly don't want them to be labeled a bully just because they have that particular belief."

So it will be okay tell a gay kid in school that the Bible calls him/her an abomination.  It might be perfectly fine to say, “I don’t approve of faggots’ lifestyle choice,” as long as a punch to the face doesn’t follow.  Okay, I get it.  Cool.

I’ve shared here on Daily Kos some of my experiences with bullying.  I was bullied absolutely mercilessly during my middle school years.  I was bullied for a number of reasons – being overweight and being gay among them.  Of course, I wasn’t out, so I was bullied based on the perception that I was gay.  I don’t want to think about what I would have endured had my peers known for a fact that I was gay.

The bullying I endured was almost all verbal.  I never got beaten up.  I just had to go to school every day and put up with kids who didn’t think much of gay people.  Being called “faggot” was a daily occurrence.  No, I was never punched or shoved into a locker or beaten by a group of kids.  But the daily taunting, expressions of disapproval, and teacher/administrator negligence created an atmosphere of fear I had to live with every single day.  I dreaded going to school.  I went through hell during school hours, cried myself to sleep at night, and repeated.  A lot of people in my life didn’t know the extent of what I dealt with, and those who did know didn’t care.

Bullying doesn’t have to be physical.  Verbal bullying – yes, even bullying based on religious beliefs – may not leave bruises, but it creates an atmosphere in which physical bullying is made easier.  And it has profound effects on the victims.  I’m still dealing with the effects of what I went through in middle school.  I don’t know if I’ll ever be “over” it.

Free speech is one thing – but an amendment that would actually encourage anti-gay bullying is not only not in the spirit of the bill, it’s downright sick.  If somebody wants called an abomination, they can go to a fundamentalist church (been there and done that, too).  School is supposed to be a learning environment.  And in order to learn, kids have to feel safe.

Rep. Mary Lou Marzian (D-Louisville), the sponsor of the bill, said it best:  “I would ask Mike Harmon, what would Jesus do?  Would he bully people based on religion?  I don’t think so.”

We can only hope this amendment, which has nothing to do with school safety and everything to do with a Christianist "moral" agenda, is defeated.  If you're in Kentucky, you might want to let your representative know how you feel.

Originally posted to Chrislove on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 12:51 PM PST.

Also republished by Angry Gays.

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  •  Not necessarily (4+ / 0-)
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    The law may protect one student saying “I don’t approve of a homosexual  lifestyle choice,” and not “I don’t approve of faggots’ lifestyle choice,”  It may also distinguish between a teacher or employee of the school saying it and a student.

    I don't know about either.

    •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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      That is to say, there are ways of restricting the content of speech.  Faggot is and homo, is not the same as gay or homosexual.  Faggot and homo are terms of abuse.  

      I think for religious reasons or not, high-school students should be able to express their honest opinions about homosexuality and their reasons for it.  They should not allowed to use epithets and slurs.  

      It is not a slur to say "I do not approve of homosexuality because it is a sin, and contrary to what God wants."  It is an opinion that deserves 1st A protection just as much as "I do not approve of staying in Iraq because it is unAmerican to be there."

      I think that High School students should be encourages to excercise their 1st A right to expression.    JR high less so.

      •  There are lots of things that aren't slurs (3+ / 0-)
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        that we don't say to people.

        I support free speech. I also think it's time we had the conversation about why we think an opinion that includes some fantasy about god's will should be something we accept in polite conversation.

        •  That's easy (2+ / 0-)
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          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

          Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]; or abriding the freedom of speech.

          This is not about polite conversation.  Its about the free exercise of religion and freedom of speech.  

          You have a much higher burden that what you consider polite to curtail another American's speech, particularly when it relates to his or her beliefs.

          •  You are talking legality and I'm talking social (4+ / 0-)
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            acceptance. Again, I don't want to legally take away anyone's free speech. But I don't like living somewhere that people don't think twice about some asshole making someone feel like shit for not conforming just because the asshole includes the word god in their rant.

            •  But you can turn around and say (3+ / 0-)
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              an opinion that includes some fantasy about god's will

              Remember that if you want to stop someone from saying something you deem offensive, then you must refrain from saying what someone else deems offensive.  If the fundamentalist can't say - in a calm tone with appropriate language - "I think homosexuality is a sin", then YOU can't say "anyone who thinks he understands God's will is living in a fantasy world."  

              You can't shut someone else up unless you're going to close your mouth, too. Otherwise, you've become the oppressor.

              •  You have made a good point. (1+ / 0-)
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                But the people you suppose I'm oppressing are not committing suicide because I disprove of them.

                •  And gays are not committing suicide (3+ / 0-)
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                  because people disapprove of them.  They commit suicide because they being ostracized and bullied.

                  I think we agree that we should discourage ostracizing and bullying.  I also agree that "discrete and insular minorities" with a history of oppression are different than the rest of society.

                  But disapproval is not ostracism.  Just as tolerance is not acceptance.  I do not think it proper, either legally or morally, to argue that Bible thumpers should accept homosexuality.  I think it legally sound and morally correct that they should tolerate gays and lesbians.

                  •  I think that Jesus (should he exist) will thump (5+ / 0-)

                    some bible thumpers when the day comes (should it come).  I am an atheistic-leaning, agnostic, humanist, UU.  If there is any truth to the bible I hope it is the story of the sheep and the goats.  "Whatever you have done to the least of these you have done unto me."  Matthew 25:31-46

                    So that bullying, intolerant, non-acceptance of the different?  That? Yeah, you did that to Jesus.  And he's not cool with it.  Most of the Christian left believes that bible thumpers should accept homosexuality as they should accept all of "god's creation".  But the Christian left doesn't get nearly as much press as the Christian right.

                    I'm not sure I agree with you because tolerance is so condescending and dehumanizing.  I believe they should be expected to accept my right to be whoever I am just as I have to accept their right to be Bible thumpers.

                    •  Tolerance is not dehumanizing (2+ / 0-)
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                       Tolerance is saying, "I disagree with you, but there's something valuable in what you say or the motives that led you to say it or in you yourself."  (The context of the situation determines which of the options works best.)  I don't expect everyone to welcome me into their homes.  I'm a gay man, and some people are uncomfortable with that.  I'm a big boy, I can deal with that.  What is unacceptable, what is acutal intolerance is when someone won't let me shop in their store or won't let me express in tasteful ways my affection for another man (sorry, no couple needs to be making out in a restaurant or the mall).  In other words, I'm saying to the person who thinks homosexuality is wrong, "You don't have to accept me.  Just tolerate me - see that I'm acting out of love and commitment to another person, just as you do when you wear your wedding ring and hug your spouse at the airport.  Let me be who I am, as I let you be who you are."  Intolerance is correct when the action/view is destructive or a violation of someone's rights.  Tolerance allows for a diversity of views without violating anyone's rights.

                      •  "Tolerance" (1+ / 0-)
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                        "I disagree with you, but there's something valuable in what you say or the motives that led you to say it or in you yourself."

                        That is a form tolerance along the lines of a liberal, undogmatic view of things that says "Hey, I'm interested in and concern for your foreign to me idea, practice, opinion, etc"  What I view as leaning towards acceptance.

                        The kind of tolerance I am talking about is more a permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own.   Or more cleary stated as Mark Twain did:  "If the man doesn't believe as we do, we say he is a crank and that settles it. I mean it does nowadays, because we can't burn him."

                        I think that is the kind of tolerance the Founders largely operated from. They self-consciosly looked at Europe, with its incessant history of bloody religious wars and concluded the best society is one that requires a man (that is the way they put it) to allow his neighbor to believe in any crack pot idea he wished.  A kind of tolerance that allowed half our country to be free and the other half slave.  

                        Pretty darn tolerant....

                  •  It's hard having this discussion with you on a (1+ / 0-)
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                    To me, you come off as someone who is detached from the emotion of this situation. Someone perhaps who has not walked a mile in shoes worn by someone on the list of Christianist haters.

                    I don't give a shit whether Bible thumpers accept glbt people or not. Frankly I have met very few Christians that I want to be around. But we live in a society where people and not a few people, but the majority of people have been in favor of our civil rights being denied us because it is acceptable to society to act as if glbt people are not like everyone else. It is acceptable to disapprove of glbt people and to use that disapproval to deny us rights.

                    So your statement on disapproval not be ostracism seems to be missing the point.

                    •  I am not detached from the emotion of the (2+ / 0-)
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                      situation.  And I take your thinking so as a compliment.  First, you should know that I get very steamed up about this issue, and it ain't pretty when I rant on it.  Moreover, in order to win this batle against homopobia, we need both sound arguments and a passion.  As passion seems to run high enough at this site, I try to offer the cold, dispassionate arugments that are necessary to win as well.

                      Another reason is that I do believe it is an error to demand social acceptance and not social tolerance for homosexuality is because acceptance is a two-edged sword.  It cuts both ways.  If we demand acceptance, than we must offer it. And to be tofrank, I barely even tolerate the Christian Right.  ;)

                      In short, I think we both agree that it is unacceptable for the Christian Right to not allow for the tolerance of homosexuals.

                      [Note: I only refer to homosexuals here as that it what we we were talking about.  Substitute LGBT were you wish]

            •  I believe I addresses that in my post above (0+ / 0-)
              I think for religious reasons or not, high-school students should be able to express their honest opinions about homosexuality and their reasons for it.  They should not allowed to use epithets and slurs.  

              If in your estimation, someone saying they think homosexuality is a sin because god says so constitutes some asshole making someone feel like shit, we will have to disagree.

              •  We will certainly have to disagree. (0+ / 0-)

                But it amazes me that anyone would defend someone dumping judgement on a child with the full weight of sanctioned religion behind it.

                •  Two things (1+ / 0-)
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                  I wrote about high school students, not children. I agree with you about JR high and below.

                  Second, what you call dumping judgment I think is more accurately framed as being a proponent of tolerance of diverse opinion.  That includes opinions I do not like.  As for the full weight of sanctioned religion, we have no "sanctioned religion."  Nationally, at least.  

                  The real problem occurs in these local areas where there may indeed be a socially sanctioned religion.  As I have limited experience with that, I cannot speak to the morality of that issue.  Legally, they majority does not not have right to push around the minority.

                  Which is why I like the law.  ;)

                  •  I'm just having a hard day. (6+ / 0-)

                    Lots of times I can be calm about this and peaceful and tolerant. But there are days when it hits me wrong. I did grow up in a place where there was a socially sanctioned religion, and let me tell you, in a place like that it's not just a free flowing airing of different ideas.

                    The weight of disapproval is difficult to bear. And while we are talking law, which I respect, there are kids being shamed by the Bible.

                    On a detached intellectual level I agree with you. But there are emotional situations happening right now that may end in suicide and honestly I think the religiously intolerant have blood on their hands.

          •  Schoolkids have not had free speech (8+ / 0-)

            rights in a long time.

            "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."- J. Danforth Quayle

            by Sychotic1 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:21:12 PM PST

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            •  That is simply not true (1+ / 0-)
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              High School students do have First A protection.  They are restricted to time, place and manner restrictions but they do possess the right.  As they are not adults, their rights are not as full as the rest of us, and as they are in a school environment, they are restricted in that manner, but they do have them.  

              A student can still wear, for example, an anti-war T-shirt and express his or her opposition the war in Iraq.  

              •  Yet SCOTUS did not protect "Bong hits 4 Jesus". (4+ / 0-)
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                Why? What was different and deciding about that case?

                The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

                by lotlizard on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 05:11:34 PM PST

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                •  SCOTUS decided (1+ / 0-)
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                  that the unveiling of the flag, though occuring next to school grounds, was part of a school event, and thus did not violate a time, place and manner limitation on the freedom of expression (speech).

                  They reasoned that a school can make a rule that students should not be able to unfurdle a banner in a classroom because it is disruptive. Fair enough.  They extended that to the school grounds and then to the 'school event.'  That is iffy, but within reason

                  What really sank the plaintif's case was the majoirty SCOTUS had a hard time wrapping its brain around the actual speech in question: "Bong Hits for Jesus!"  If the banner had said "Legalize it" it is possible,  even probable, the 5th vote would have gone the other way, as the content of the speech was political and students do have the right to express their political beliefs.

                  Take home message: if you know kids who are gonna make a statement, advise them to make it unambigously a politcal one with a clear political stance.  Political speech gets the most protection under our current Con Law regime.  

      •  And if their honest opinion is that (4+ / 0-)
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        gays should be shot by the nearest god-fearing folk?

        It can be non-trivial to distinguish between free speech and threats or bullying.

        •  That would not be protected (2+ / 0-)
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          in a school environment.   For a variety of free speech and other related issues.

          You are correct in pointing out that the line between protected and unprotected speech is fuzzy.  That is the nature of the beast.  But that does not either mean we can't draw a reasonable line somewhere (as I have attempted to here) or that on the ends of the spectrum we can't identify what is and what isn't kosher.

    •  Teachers and staff likely can't get away (2+ / 0-)
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      with it--in theory.  You aren't allowed to discuss your own religious views in class.  BUT in many places,t hey DO get away with it because the administration and fellow teachers and msot students agree with them. Unless someone  brigns a formal complaint or a lawsuit--and even then, they'll likely get away with it. Google "Tempest Smith" who was a Wiccan  Goth  kid who hanged herself after being harassed by Christian peers surrounding her and singing hymns while teachers looked on. Her mother lost the suit because she couldn't prove teachers knew--which is BS, they knew but they shared the views of the kids and did nothing.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 06:28:42 PM PST

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    •  "i don't approve of a homosexual lifestyle" (0+ / 0-)

      " and i don't approve of hate

  •  Sick, psychopathic haters (7+ / 0-)

    They really are going full throttle lately.

    I've heard a theory that this is the dying rage against inevitable change.

    I can only hope so.

    It's so fucking ugly.  I truly am ashamed to have these people as my 'countrymen'.

    Time to brush up on 'Oh Canada'.  Catchy tune!

    The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. -

    by No one gets out alive on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:27:03 PM PST

  •  I left Kentucky at age 19 (8+ / 0-)

    even though I was rasied in a relatively liberal - though racist area (Northern Kentucky) when I went into the USAF.

    I never looked back.  I cannot abide ignorance.   There is a "Creationism Museum" somewhere in that state where humans are shown living with Dinosaurs.

    •  It's 10 klicks West of the Cincitucky airport, (4+ / 0-)
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      and supposedly they're going to build a full-scale Ark as well so I reckon we'll be seeing an animatronic Noah ride a couple of dinosaurs up the ramp before long :/

      I used to think nobody could possibly be that stupid... then I watched Fox News.

      by here4tehbeer on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 03:03:53 PM PST

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    •  I worked at a restaurant in Lousiville (0+ / 0-)

      where the busboys were all black and were not allowed at tables while the (white) customers were there. They could not pour water or coffee or anything.

      I had come form restaurants in NYC and I was shocked. there is more and I lasted about 3 weeks.


  •  Also Chrislove, I'm really sorry (11+ / 0-)

    to hear about what you went through. Most of the homeschooling parents I know homeschool because school is a cruel place, especially in Jr. High. I wish your people had protected you. I'm full of awe that kids can feel safe coming out earlier and earlier. It means all of the older glbt folk were doing good good work. I wish I could hug them all.

    •  Yeah, I graduated high school (3+ / 0-)
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      in 2007, at which point there were no openly gay students (to my knowledge - and it was a small school, so I probably would have known).  Now, only four years later, there are multiple students at the same school who are out.  Just in a period of four years, things have changed for the better.

      And I don't doubt what say about homeschooling parents - I know when I was in middle school, one time I asked my mom (who had no idea about the bullying) if I could be homeschooled.  She didn't give in...I'm glad she didn't, but I can see why others would want to be homeschooled / want their children to be homeschooled.  Those years can be tough - not just for gay kids.

      Thanks for the kind words.  :)

      The right which I claim for myself, and for all those like me, is the right to choose the person whom I love. - Peter Wildeblood

      by Chrislove on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:57:41 PM PST

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      •  how little has changed (4+ / 0-)
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        i was bullied in junior high too-back in the early 70s.

        fortunately, my parents had the good sense to pull me out of public school and enroll me in what i can only call hippy alternative schools.

        the school from which i graduated was one and it was great to be able to attend a school where i could be openly gay (there were a number of us), take dance lessons without being harrassed for it and generally be myself.

        i have to say that throughout my youth, it was the freaks and weirdos who accepted me, who welcomed me and made me feel valued.  that is something i can never forget.

        hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

        by alguien on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:06:34 PM PST

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  •  Why are these people so (4+ / 0-)
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    fucking scared of everyone who isn't them? They're also so insecure in their own professed beliefs that it's not enough for them to just believe what they believe without having to drage everyone else into their shit. And I'm not generalizing religion here. There are plenty of religions and religious people who don't seek to codify their belief system into law. It's the latter I have big problems with.

    We moved to DK4 and all I got was this sig line

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:53:09 PM PST

  •  well (2+ / 0-)
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    I want to bully Mike Harmon.  I'll bet I could make him cry without even touching him, because people like him are true cowards deep down inside.  The worst bullying they can receive is being forced to see themselves in a mirror.  

    "Yes, I know my enemy. They're the teachers who taught me to fight me, compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite. All of which are American dreams....."

    by rickrocket on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:07:54 PM PST

  •  Do it in the name of heaven... (4+ / 0-)
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    The Supreme Court says Weesboro Baptist can protest funerals of servicemen or whoever.  Anti-abortion protestors can scream at patients up to the clinic door.  Bullying, or domestic terrorism, in the name of God is the American way.

    •  Not too dissimilar from Freeper and Yahoo News (1+ / 0-)
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      comments online, or the GOP view of Citizens United money.  For conservatives, they toe the line for their party, their employer, the authoritarian figure.  They despise non-conformity, circle the wagons for their own, lavishly reward friends and viciously punish enemies.

      It's a political ethos where the disapointments and humiliations and frustrations at not being able to live up to their indoctined values is expressed in the politics of deep resentment and dripping hatred.

      "What about the headless bodies, Governor?" --- Members of the press yelling after a fleeing Jan Brewer, 9/1/2010

      by Pangloss on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 03:52:20 PM PST

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  •  Is there an amendment in the bill (7+ / 0-)

    ...that gives gay kids the right to tell "Christian" kids that they are sanctimonious, hateful jackasses?

    As long as they don't get violent about it, you know.

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 02:35:59 PM PST

    •  Even if there was, (2+ / 0-)
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      the weight of hostility is going to fall heavier on glbt kids who bear not just the hatred of the schoolmates, but the disapproval of large segments of society and discriminatory laws that it will fall on Christian kids who are not universally scapegoated.

  •  Dresses in a closet! (0+ / 0-)

    I went an Googled Harmon's bio and he looks like the type of fella that would dress and undress in a closet, with the door shut!

  •  God, I hate religion. Yea, I know, some (4+ / 0-)
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    religions are good, but I grew up hating myself because of religion, so yea, I hate religion.

    •  Other people made you hate yourself (0+ / 0-)

      Religion is nothing without people. It's just air, it's just an idea. It's the other people that made you hate yourself, not the religion. Just because religion has been abused as an excuse for bad behavior is no reason to throw it out; it's been the justification for a lot of good behavior too. In any case, it's all just people doing whatever they were going to do anyway and finding whatever justification is convenient.

      The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by tmo on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 11:22:05 PM PST

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  •  Bullying is the basis of Christian fundamentalism (5+ / 0-)

    Bullying people with threats of hell

    Bullying people with the lie that nobody else's Bible interpretation is correct except theirs

    Bullying people into accepting another Jesus than the one described in the Bible

    Bullying the very people Jesus had compassion for....the poor, the rejected, the sick, the outcasts of society

    Take away bullying and their religion self-destructs.

  •  How about Christians keep their (2+ / 0-)
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    crappy religion to themselves.

    How about it's legal to groin-kick someone who babbles at you and shoves a Chick tract in your face.

    That's a law I could get behind.

  •  Its always wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    esquimaux, Chrislove

    Bullied here too. The reasons, I do not wish to talk about, but I will tell you this: They are massively, massively superficial, and I was told even if i changed it, they would still attack me.

    Thankfully.."thankfully..." it was almost all verbal. So I only failed all my classes and eventually developed massive aversion to schools and social settings to the point where i would become physically ill.

    Being harassed, having anxiety disorders, and having autism-spectrum disorders at the same time are...not good. Moreso than most, aspergers types cant well tell the difference between "teasing" and "Actively insulting and provoking" -- though it gets much easier with long term friendship; all my good friends could tease me in ways that they knew didnt hurt my feelings (mostly because we would tease each other over nonexistant faults on purpose...We had a lot of ffree time.) but of course, thats nowhere near the same thing.

    I had t odrop out of school. there was no point to going; id numbed myself out most of the time. I did class work, but failed classes; I didnt do homework, because all I wanted to do at home was hide myself away from anything that would remind me of that awful place, at least for a few hours. it was this intense need to away from it that I developed my rather astounding insomnia abilities (Ive been up around 1.4 days right now.) since I would eke out every little thing i could from my time before dragging myself back into the grinder.

    Failed PE too. This made my parents really mad. See in my insane school, if you didnt shower after PE, you lose a letter grade. For every day you do not shower. So I had to run in the exhausting heat in the summer to make up for it, and thus go back to school during the time I had to myself.

    I didnt like that they were mad at me...But I wasnt gonna take a shower. There were quite a lot of boys, and I was about...a year away from figuring out I was gay. But some parts of me were...much more aware than I was. Considering the harassment, I decided to take the failing grade rather than almost assuring my own assault and an increase in harassment.

    Schools dont care though i mean...When someone yanked down my patns in the middle of a big area, I had to complain to the administration. They said they couldnt do anything unless I gave them his name. They wanted me to go ask this guy his name, the one who had just shown he had no problem going to extremes to cause me suffering.

    So, needless to say, I dropped out. And when I told them I was going to? All I got was my insane english teacher nearly hitting me with her car and demanding my copy of some shakespear book be returned to her. As if I wasnt in the process of doing so.

    When the faculty get closer to murdering you than the kids, its time to leave the monsters to their own hell, and find your own way.

    "It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?!"

    by kamrom on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 04:00:56 PM PST

  •  bigotry is a sin n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky." -Abraham Lincoln

    by jethropalerobber on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 04:16:44 PM PST

  •  Fucking Sickening (1+ / 0-)
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    It always makes me wonder with the straight-gay alliances now.  Sickening in 2011 that gay people can be bullied without compunction.   Kentucky has 6 times its share of morons but I wish you the best.  I want liberals to fight stuff out.  

    Take care of all humanity as if they were your brothers and sisters.

    by skidrow on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 04:27:24 PM PST

    •  My thoughts exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      Legislation that allows "good little Christian boys and girls" to continue their bullying of their LGBTI schoolmates unchecked while everyone else has gotta follow the freaking law? That allows them to perpetuate purest, bigoted evil against their fellow human being undeterred by their supposed "conscience?"

      I cry for the non-heterosexual children of Kentucky if that amendment passes. Between my tears, I will remain physically ill when thinking of the garbage people like Harmon are trying to force into legislation.

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    I am sorry that you were bullied.  

    I am glad you posted this to remind people how stupid some people are.  Elected officials, no less.  It is sad.

  •  Mary Lou Marzian is my State Sen. (3+ / 0-)
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    tmo, kefauver, Chrislove

    Hooray for a decent intelligent state senator -- Mary Lou Marzian from Louisville.  I'm proud to call her my senator.  Here's proof that not everyone in Kentucky is crazy like McConnell & Rand Paul.  

  •  Mike Harmon (1+ / 0-)
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    Wants to elevate his religious views into laws for everyone, and I'm sure he would be one of those voting to forbid sharia.....

  •  Would Jesus say, "dirty faggot" to kids he passed (2+ / 0-)
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    royce, Chrislove

    in the hall at school, would he even think of that?

    Who are these so-called Christians?
    What are they teaching their children?

    Jesus never said, Insult and bully those whom you judge have sinned.....sheesh, most atheists I know act more like followers of Christ than these asshats.

  •  I'm Surprised Danville has a GOP State Rep. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's a pretty Democratic area and there's a top-flight college (Centre College) there. - a fresh alternative.

    by kefauver on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:47:48 PM PST

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    establishment of RELIGION or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

    14th -- No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    If congress has made no law respecting Christianity, this state has no right to remove the constitutional protection of gays because of people who worship the God of Abraham.

    Let's remove the protections of everyone, then. Why pick on the gays? Let's allow crazy racist people to call me nwords...wait...they do that anyway, don't they?

    There is already another section is the 1st amendment that allows for free speech and for ignorant people to call gays fword. What is this REALLY about? How much further can someone take expressing their dislike for homosexuality verbally? This is some shit designed to make gays feel even more menaced and uncomfortable. What will this lead to, if not violence eventually or intolerable harassment from people who walk in groups following behind gays and fucking harassing them verbally all day?

    I don't get it. I'm American. I can't abide these Gods in my govt. I want them out or we can start a new proposal that slaps a treason charge on people who keep deferring to Gods instead of Thomas Jefferson. They'd scream "fascism" before the ink dried on the parchment.

    "Warm smell of Moulitsas rising up in the air..." -seanwright

    by GenXangster on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 09:59:27 PM PST

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