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The Senate today defeated both the Republican and Democratic spending alternatives and President Obama held talks with Senate Democrats to try to avoid a government shutdown.

The House GOP spending bill was defeated by a 44-56 margin, with all but three Republicans (DeMint, Lee, and Paul) voting in favor of it.

The Democratic spending bill was defeated by a 42-58 margin. Every Republican voted against it. Eleven members of the Democratic caucus joined them, though the only one opposing clearly opposing it from the left was Bernie Sanders.

Meanwhile, President Obama is meeting this afternoon with Senate Democrats on the budget in discussions the White House spokesman Jay Carney said are "aimed at the purpose of finding the common ground that we need so that we can fund the government for the rest of the year, with substantial spending cuts." Given that no Republicans are involved in the meetings, the likely translation of that statement is that the meetings are designed to see how far Democrats are willing to move towards the GOP position.

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  •  this was just for the record (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    Now, what is next?

  •  And the capitulator if cheif holds a meeting (12+ / 0-)

    to whip the dems into shape.

    facepalm

    "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

    by skyounkin on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 01:57:28 PM PST

    •  It will be interesting to watch. (2+ / 0-)
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      billlaurelMD, Timothy J

      Obama is usually content to sit on the sidelines and let everyone else work it out, and then he comes in and praises everyone.

      Except this time, he's going to have to do more than just be a mediator.

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:06:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  And, just like Charley Brown... (4+ / 0-)

        ...he never seems to learn that Republican'ts ALWAYS pull the football away at the last minute...

        As far as "common ground" goes, to the GOPosaurs "common ground" amounts to, "Hey Democrat!  Come over here and stand on this quick sand..."

        •  If you look up Go Along to Get Along, (3+ / 0-)
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          Ken in MN, Johnny Q, Lucy2009

          you'll see a picture of Obama.  He's an expert at going along to get along.  Not so much an expert at being a leader and setting an agenda and fighting for same.  Setting an agenda?  Yes.  Willing to fight for it?  No effing way.  Oh, except tax cuts for the rich.  He did a great PR job from the White House regarding getting the millionaires and billionaires their tax cuts.  How can you not be proud of him?  (The latter is said sarcastically)  

          To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

          by gooderservice on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:34:54 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Oops -- not mediator -- I meant bystander. (0+ / 0-)

        To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

        by gooderservice on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:45:09 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Who says he is capitulating? (6+ / 0-)

      Seems like he is a great, effective, politician who consistently is able to pass legislation consistent with his core ideology.

      Unfortunately, it isn't mine.

      C'est La Vie

      "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

      by justmy2 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:14:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  What's scary is that the Holy Grail is (4+ / 0-)
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      liberte, skyounkin, ivorybill, Lucy2009

      clearly going to be something that satisfies the likes of DeMint, Paul and Lee.  Meaning that the Democrats are going to have to move pretty far right in order to come to a "bipartisan" agreement.  Sigh.

      When can we just call it what bipartisanship really is?  When can we just start admitting that we're all Republicans now whether we like it or not?

      •  I am not a Republican...nor am I conservative (1+ / 0-)
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        billlaurelMD

        The President...
        .
        .
        .
        well I know he isn't a Republican...

        "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

        by justmy2 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 03:06:56 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  it's always the same (12+ / 0-)

    the ones to compromise are the Democrats. Every single time. Republicans do not budge. Ever. Apparently it's the will of the people as we've heard about a million times.

    We don't inherit the world from the past. We borrow it from the future.

    by minorityusa on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:02:21 PM PST

  •  Why didn't Dems pass bill last October? (5+ / 0-)

    Just asking.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

    by PatriciaVa on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:04:37 PM PST

    •  Because Democrats always get in their own way. (6+ / 0-)

      To every millionaire who decries they don't want their grandchildren paying for the deficit, I say: PAY MORE TAXES NOW and your grandkids won't have a deficit burden.

      by gooderservice on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:06:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Because the Republicans were lock-step (6+ / 0-)

      against it in the Senate - filibuster or whatever you call it, they weren't going to let it pass since they expected to get their way once their majorities in Congress increased - and I haven't seen yet how they're being proven wrong.

      •  They could expect to get their majorities (2+ / 0-)
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        ColoTim, Lucy2009

        increased because they weren't being consistently unmasked as to their true intent of crushing the middle class.

        See what happened in WI when that happened? This will o' the wisp of One-Direction-Only Bipartisanship is simply suicidal, both in objective terms for the people and the nation, and in practical terms for the Democratic Party's future.

        You can't expect Republicans to break if nobody is hammering them, but instead saying "um, well, what else would you like us to cede to you?"

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 03:18:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Everyone wants to cut government spending (1+ / 0-)
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    Norm in Chicago

    ....just nothing that will affect them personally or anything that would affect anyone else.  

    Truth?  We can't tax the "rich" enough to overcome our deficits and we can't tax the "rich" enough to reduce the debt.  

    For years we've been told that "someday, we will have to pay the piper" (with regard to excessive spending).

    Today is "someday"....whether we like it or not.

    The alternative is too horrible to even consider.

    •  I say BS; US needs a Wealth Tax (13+ / 0-)

      We have so much wealth in the US, wealth which has not been taxed.

      Let's enact  a graduated wealth tax, targeting HHs with net worth of 50M at 1%, up to 8% annually for the likes of Buffet and Ellison.

      Too radical?

      So was the income tax, until a few brave pols rallied the nation around an amendment that enabled the taxation of income.

      Question is, who will be the first prominent Dem to call for a wealth tax?

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

      by PatriciaVa on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:11:10 PM PST

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      •  I second your BS call, BS squared. (6+ / 0-)
        For years we've been told that "someday, we will have to pay the piper" (with regard to excessive spending).

        Today is "someday"....whether we like it or not.

        What a line of regurgitated Fox Noise TPs!

        Where was this concern about the deficit when W was cutting millionaires' taxes in the middle of two wars?

        •  I won't argue that (0+ / 0-)

          This is no longer a democrat vs. republican thing.  I hate it that people are still spewing that tired rhetoric.  "Yeah but the republicans..."

          If you disagree that "someday" is "today...then that's your own opinion.  I gave you mine.  Thanks.

          •  If they are serious about the debt..... (2+ / 0-)
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            Timothy J, PatriciaVa

            then they need to act like it.

            Cutting heating oil subsidies from old poor people is not a serious solution. Cutting SS/Medicare is not a real solution. Cutting food stamps and medical care to pregnant women and infants is not a real solution.

            When they quit acting like the sniveling, corrupt assholes they are then we can talk about "cuts", or "shared sacrifice".  

            Until then, fuck the debt ceiling. Let the country crash.

            I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

            by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 05:09:55 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Can't say I am against that (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not against something like a "Wealth Tax"...but, it would pale in comparison to something like a national sales tax or something similar.  The amount we'd get from those relative few that are super rich wouldn't even put a dent in our troubled financial situation.  

        We first need to control spending...cut all unneeded costs...go after entitlement abusers...eliminate all of the waste within government.  That alone would save us hundreds of Billions (but, then, I'm no accountant so that's a guesstimate).  Then, we need to put a moratorium on "new" spending.  You know what always happens when government gets a sudden influx of revenue.  It spends it..finds new programs to fund etc....rather than applying it to existing budget shortfalls and debt.

        •  If you believe there are unneeded costs (1+ / 0-)
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          SJLeonidas

          after 30 years of Republican cuts and deficit spending to starve Democratic governance whenever we get the chance, I'd like for you to point them out. There are not "hundreds of billions" of dollars in waste in government; I believe you are not dealing with reality.
          To recover from the Bush nightmare years and eliminations, we do indeed need "new" spending. See, the thing you seem to overlook is that what we have is a revenue problem, not a spending problem. Unless you happen to be someone who actually thinks we should have a federal government that can't afford to fix national problems. In which case, you are barking up the wrong website.

        •  Consumption taxes (1+ / 0-)
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          PatriciaVa

          Of all kinds are regressive. And the fact is, we spent the last 30 years giving away our industry, deregulating banks, and squandering every opportunity to build our economy on something stronger than "exotic" financial products. The pain is coming, no doubt about that, but how about we stop blaming the victim in this mess, and identify and punish the real culprits.

          Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

          by corwin on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:43:44 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Get out of the wars.... (0+ / 0-)

          close down ALL foreign military bases. Close most of the domestic military bases. Reinstitute the draft and eliminate all private military contracts. PERIOD.

          Raise the tax rates to 50%....miminally.....on those make over 3 million a year.  Raise the tax rate to 90% on those doing hedge fund and Wall Street hocus pocus.

          When that is put on the table, then I'll back off on not raising the debt ceiling. Otherwise, let the country crash.

          I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

          by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 05:12:55 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  First prevent wealth from moving overseas (1+ / 0-)
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        Lucy2009

        The main problem with a wealth tax is that the rich will just go set up shop in Dubai or Malaysia or anywhere but here.

        We don't need a wealth tax, we need import tariffs that break the backs of the globalist traders.

        •  Most will Stay (1+ / 0-)
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          dmh44

          A former client in Monterrey, Mexico bought a sizable stake in a Cuban telco.  The State Department informed him that, if he didn't divest, the US would revoke his and his immediate family's visas to the US.  

          He divested promptly.

          US citizenship has its privileges, and I doubt many would leave.

          Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

          by PatriciaVa on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:41:54 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Bingo! (0+ / 0-)

          I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

          by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 05:13:34 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  I am still (2+ / 0-)
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        PatriciaVa, Lucy2009

        waiting to get trickle downed on.

        Yes, I am psychic...or was that psycho? I always forget which.

        by Farradin on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:28:12 PM PST

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    •  I have an idea...let's bring taxes (11+ / 0-)

      to pre-Reagan levels and get out of all these silly foreign misadventures.

      Bam. I just balanced the budget.

      Here's to our last drink of fossil fuels - may we vow to get off of this sauce. Shoo away the swarms of commuter planes...and find that train ticket we lost.

      by terra on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:19:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  TOTALLY !!!! (0+ / 0-)

        EXCELLENT IDEA....but, It'd never get passed, I'm sad to say.

        •  Your retort is not the answer to everything, (0+ / 0-)

          I'd say. We need politicians with the courage to buck decades of Republican propaganda decrying all taxation as bad. What we need are pols who need to make the argument--a winning one for the balance of our nation's history, I might add--that there are many areas where only the federal government can afford to act, and that tax revenue is the means of funding those acts.
          I like my highways/food/medicine to be safe and my bridges not to fall down, and etc. etc. etc.
          Don't you?

    •  what excessive spending? (1+ / 0-)
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      coffejoe

      wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?  Bases all over the world that are Cold War legacies?  Oil subsidies that were given when oil was about $20-30/barrel?  

      "Without viable unions to serve as a counterweight to corporate power, America's working people and their families are at the mercy of the largest and most powerful economic organizations on the planet."

      by billlaurelMD on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 04:08:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  oh ... (0+ / 0-)

      and you misspelled independent.

      "Without viable unions to serve as a counterweight to corporate power, America's working people and their families are at the mercy of the largest and most powerful economic organizations on the planet."

      by billlaurelMD on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 04:08:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Then let the country crash. (0+ / 0-)

      The wealth inequities are obscene, the middle class is an almost extinct breed. I'm fed-up. I'm not going to live in fear of this economy anymore.

      Let the fucker crash. Let it ruin our credit. Boo hoo to anyone who doesn't like that idea.

      We are the U.S. We consume more, use more,  produce more, and are richer than any other country on earth. What the fuck is the world going to do to us if we don't raise the debt ceiling? Nothing.

      We simply need to pull out our little computer system and re-set it just the way Wall Street banks do and let everyone know, that we are officially no longer in debt and if they don't like....fuck em. They'll come around so fast it will make their little heads spin.

      Yes, I'm spouting. Yes, I do think this is true. The U.S. Govt and Richy Rich have gotten eveyrone all worried about the debt ceiling. Well guess what, it's just one more tactic to take away from the middle class and poor and give to the rich.

      Why the hell would anyone in this country trust the U.S. Govt (including Dems and Obama)????  If you are that silly, then you get what you deserve when you give in to the scare mongering and threats.

      I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

      by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 05:06:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Will taking away Congressional insurance help?! (2+ / 0-)
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    Ken in MN, Lucy2009
  •  Any plan must involve military cuts, it's the only (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Johnny Q, Lucy2009

    way there's even a chance of reducing the deficit

    and yay for rejecting HR 1

  •  What the federal budget actually consists of (3+ / 0-)
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    fumie, Samer, TomFromNJ

    There’s a new web site, called YouCutTheBudget.com, that gives users a way to state exactly how they would reduce federal spending.The site presents a breakdown of the federal budget in 34 categories. Users identify the budget lines they would cut, and they say by how much, in percentage terms. When they finish, the software calculates the total spending reduction their proposals would achieve, in both percent and dollar terms. There are also questions about what types of tax increases you think would help the country move toward a balanced budget. The site shows users’ proposed budget cuts; you can either sign yours or do the exercise anonymously. If your thinking about deficit reduction goes beyond rhetoric, go to this site and show the world what you would do.

  •  So now (7+ / 0-)

    it's up to the democrats to avoid a shut down? Is this another Obama negotiating ploy?

  •  The Democratic Bill in a Democratic Senate (11+ / 0-)

    get less votes than the Republican bill.

    Will there ever be a day where Republicans are afraid of voting against a Democratic bill.  This seems like a consistent one way street.

    "Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book - you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem." - Senator Obama, 9-16-2008

    by justmy2 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:12:34 PM PST

    •  I noticed that. I'm so frustrated (2+ / 0-)
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      liberte, Lucy2009

      I'm beside myself.  

    •  Was this a real vote? (0+ / 0-)

      And, not a cloture vote.  If it was a real vote, then I am really pissed because why would you bring a bill that is going to get a real vote that you do not have 50 + Biden votes for?  Given the messed up way the Senate works, every single time you get an opportunity to bring a bill up for a real vote it had better be one for which you have the votes.

      How can it even be called a Democratic bill when you have not even whipped up 50 votes in your majority caucus?

  •  How far? (1+ / 0-)
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    KibbutzAmiad

    The answer should be "Not an Inch'

    Rescind the fucking tax cut. Then you can balance your fucking budget and you don't have to eviscerate your fucking population and it's fucking infrastructure.

    Yeah, Mr.  Compromise- Behind-Our- Back-And-Make-Us-Swallow-It-President. I'm fucking talking to you.

  •  When Obama kept claiming he was going to speak (2+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q, Lucy2009

    "truth to power", I wish he had told us that the truth was that he compromises before he even begins to fight and that the "power" in question was the power we had when we elected Democrats to public office.

    Here's to our last drink of fossil fuels - may we vow to get off of this sauce. Shoo away the swarms of commuter planes...and find that train ticket we lost.

    by terra on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:18:02 PM PST

  •  What a negative thread for a post about Dems (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    zegota

    rejecting that extreme GOP spending bill

  •  Awesome. (0+ / 0-)

    I might be furloughed, and for all my troubles, Democrats will give up the ranch.

    If I squint hard, and take copious amounts of drugs, this looks JUST like Wisconsin.

    Regards,
    Corporate Dog

    -----
    We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

    by Corporate Dog on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:18:52 PM PST

  •  I guess it could be worse (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, fidel

    They could have passed the GOP bill.

    Proud supporter of nuclear power!

    by zegota on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:18:53 PM PST

  •  The Dems who voted against the Dem Budget Bill (1+ / 0-)
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    dmh44

    should be horsewhipped and sent to bed without a cocktail hour.  What's the matter with Harry Reid?  Can't he twist a few arms, like Nancy Pelosi used to do?  Get on it, Harry....

    "Activism begins with you, Democracy begins with you, get out there, get active! Tag, you're it!" Thom Hartmann

    by glogrrl on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:26:22 PM PST

  •  Of course ... (4+ / 0-)
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    aliasalias, fidel, coffejoe, Lucy2009
    the meetings are designed to see how far Democrats are willing to move towards the GOP position.

    What else would you expect from a meeting with Obama?

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:30:34 PM PST

  •  No fucking moving to the RIGHT (2+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q, Lucy2009

    If the GOPers want to let the government shut down cause they won't agree to anything reasonable, fucking let it happen.

    Polls show that the GOP will rightly be blamed for this. Not the Dems.

    No more "compromising", goddammit.

    •  And just kick the can down the road a little more (0+ / 0-)

      Lovely.

      It's no longer about which party comes out on top.  It's about AMERICA coming out on top, goddammit !!!!!!!!!!

      •  Yep, that one's been settled (1+ / 0-)
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        wsexson
        It's no longer about which party comes out on top.

        and it ain't the Democrats.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:39:18 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  For the last 30 years, their ideas (4+ / 0-)
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        wsexson, Matt Z, Johnny Q, coffejoe

        have been tried.  They have failed.  It's time to try liberal ideas that got our country out of the Great Depression.  If you are serious about putting America first, you will support ideas that put Americans back to work now.  Direct jobs, not programs that give money to businesses in the hopes they will hire people.

        Companies hire people when they need to expand production.  Government has to hire right now.  You may not lik that, but if you are honest, and really want to put America first, that's what we need to do.

        In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

        by TampaCPA on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 02:51:17 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Good luck with that. (0+ / 0-)

      sigh

    •  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

      Until the sniveling Dems in D.C. assume that stance they can forget about achieving the goals and purposes stated as the platform of the Dem Party. Pure and Simple.

      Of course, that's not really the platform anymore, and therein lies the real problem.

      I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

      by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 05:19:44 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  as posted earlier today (3+ / 0-)
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    TomFromNJ, Ulysses795, coffejoe

    Senator Schumer is on the right track - the budget answers will not be found in discretionary non security spending.  Until tax increases and defense cuts are in the mix, there won't be an acceptable budget.

    Meanwhile, President Obama is meeting this afternoon with Senate Democrats on the budget in discussions the White House spokesman Jay Carney said are "aimed at the purpose of finding the common ground that we need so that we can fund the government for the rest of the year, with substantial spending cuts."

    As for "substantial" budget cuts - we need some, but "substantial" is pretty vague.  

    Senator Schumer - keep the Presindent on track!

  •  so Reid holds a vote to demonstrate GOP fail (1+ / 0-)
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    dmh44

    And 11 Dems vote against their own budget.

    This did not turn out so well as billed last night.

  •  that's (0+ / 0-)

    what the Speaker recommend he do last week instead of the summit with Biden...

    After the "public option", "tax cuts for all". I won't be surprised by the next move.

  •  Likely? Hah. The Only. (0+ / 0-)
    Given that no Republicans are involved in the meetings, the likely translation of that statement is that the meetings are designed to see how far Democrats are willing to move towards the GOP position.

    "C'mon guys, the Republicans want to crush the middle class, destroy what's left of our economic credibility, and in the end destroy me and the Democratic Party, even if they have to destroy the US to do it. Surely there's some way we can meet them! What options are there? Going out and attacking them for all this is off the table if I'm to get my Bipartisan Leader fantasies fulfilled."

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 03:12:55 PM PST

  •  Might Levin (D-MI) also be opposing it (0+ / 0-)

    "from the left?"

    He's not up for re-election this year.

  •  Democrats (0+ / 0-)

    What the hell has happened?  Just a little over 2 years ago we all celebrated with a "progressive" Democratic president and solid majorities in the House and Senate.  The nation, I thought, had given the Democrats a mandate to change the way the nation was going.  Now here we are watching ideologues destroying union rights, gutting public programs that millions depend on, and gloating over their ability to dominate the media and the debate.

    Are there any courageous Democrats left?  I thought I was prepared for another 1994, but now more than ever I think we are looking at another 1980.

    Is all the Democratic energy being frittered away on websites like this, instead of holding meetings and strategy sessions.  The Republicans in WI figured out how to strip union rights without even needing the Democrats.  Would our party ever have the guts to do something like this, ignoring procedure to get what you want?  Somehow I don't think so.  I really worry about our nation and our future.

  •  The GOP doesn't compromise. Period. (0+ / 0-)

    Who the hell does Obama and the Admin think they are  fooling with this stunt?

    You can't compromise with the GOP.  

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

    by Lucy2009 on Wed Mar 09, 2011 at 04:55:36 PM PST

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