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As uplifting as "We lost the battle, but we are winning (WINNING!) the war" sounds, the grim truth is that Walker and his band of lackeys are not afraid of us. Not even a teensy weensy little bit, are they afraid.

These are made men. Like all Republican tools, they have no place to fail but up.

They aren't afraid of bad press. They own the damn press. They aren't afraid of negative polling. They'll handle that with new ways to suppress the vote. Recall--if it works--may even be a Palin-style relief for them, because governing is hard work. Walker has earned himself a permanent seat on FOX News, and the Kochs will be powdering his nose all the way to a presidential run.

This is the problem, of course, when all political leaders have to fear is falling into the luxurious arms of their corporate handlers.

They aren't afraid of the demonstrations. Oh, no. It gives them more time to demogogue on the right wing zombiewaves. They know people will eventually tire themselves out and get cold and hungry. They know the general media will finally ignore them completely, and FOX News will alternately paint protestors as pathetic, deseprate, rent-a-mob, thuggish, Socialist layabouts.

They aren't afraid of a general strike. They know too many people can't afford to get fired and starve their kids on a matter of principle. If teachers did strike, Walker would pull a Reagan and bring in a bunch of cheaply bought Tea Party scabs to teach our kids Creationism. If the cops were to strike, they'd bring in Wackenhut or Blackwater. Then they'd have their own personal paramilitary, no messy coup necessary.

They aren't afraid of violent protests. Oh, HELL no. They're so eager for violence to happen they may wind up instigating it after all. Anything to give them an excuse to loose the cannons on us smartass union slobs.

So don't kid yourself. Walker doesn't give a chili cheese-fried fuck about you or me. He wins any way we play it. These bastards learned from our complete surrender on Enron, the Patriot Act, the war crimes, the torture, the spying, the contractor fraud, the outing of a CIA agent, the bank crash and the bailouts, that corrupt Republicans don't experience consequences.

I say this not to discourage us from fighting. Rather, to discourage us from thinking this is about Walker, or just this batch of extremists, even as we go after them with every tool we have. I say this to inoculate us aginst discouragement when we gain 2 feet of ground and lose 3. We have to fight as dogged and fierce and in as many nonviolent ways as we can. We have to demonstrate. We have to recall. We have to educate and march and organize. We have to engage everyone we know about this.

But we need to realize that this fight is an endurance game. We've let them--even helped them--systematically screw us over since Reagan, and they have leveraged themselves nicely. They have the media, the churches, the banks, the Chambers of Commerce, and the guns. If we win some, they'll just fight harder and dirtier.

This will likely be a very long struggle. And it will likely get much worse for us. The good thing is, many more people are aware that we are under assault, and whose side they are really on. And that is huge progress.

Here's to digging in for a long war, friends. "When you can't walk, you crawl, and when you can't do that, you find someone to carry you."

Originally posted to rhetoricus on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 11:13 PM PST.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, German American Friendship Group, and Community Spotlight.

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  •  this is one diary I am recc all over the net (53+ / 0-)

    to my family, friends and anyone else that will listen to me, thank you for this very heartfelt and honest appraisal of this issue.....

    The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by Mindmover on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 11:42:31 PM PST

  •  Bravo! (77+ / 0-)

    Very well said.

    It took decades, and Emma Goldmann, and Eugene Debs, and both Presidents Roosevelt, and a lot of union heads getting cracked by the bought police (at the time) to attain the great middle-class liberalism of the 20th Century (roughly 1935-1985, if memory serves).

    Now we have to claw our way back to the liberalism of Eisenhower.  sigh

    But it can be done, and I applaud your diary, and you, for the fighting spirit exhibited here.

    Over the past 30-odd years, the Democrats have moved to the right, and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital. --Bill Maher

    by Youffraita on Thu Mar 10, 2011 at 11:57:49 PM PST

    •  Remember that saying about a good reputation? (13+ / 0-)

      Hard to gain, easy to lose.

      Hard, hard gains clawed from little beginnings as far back as old "Trust Buster" TR and with real accomplishment with FDR were blown in a decade. Those gains were in place until citizens ignorant of history, particularly the gut level history their parents and grandparents endured, decided the siren songs of "silly regulations" and "free markets" being sung by the remnants of the robber baron class that had put big money into the music were excellent pieces of music.

      I'm getting old. I grew up when there seemed to be real promise of advancing from those economic gains through stopping making a mockery of our nation's principles with racial segregation. What a joke that seems today. Of course I am absolutely no little part of our state today is in direct reactionary backlash to admitting "all men are equal under the law" applies to those with darker skins and those that are not sexually "men" and to . . . just people.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:52:57 AM PST

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    •  Liberalism? (4+ / 0-)

      Liberalism is dead.

      For the record, neither Emma Goldman nor Eugene Debs were liberals. You slander them by classing them with the patrician Roosevelts who did nothing by what they had to in order to save capitalism.

      We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

      by unclejohn on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:14:06 PM PST

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    •  The people are winning. Aren't you inspired by (1+ / 0-)
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      Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia (hopefully), et al. The world is waking up and fighting back. It's the French revolution all over. Unfortunately, none of the brain trusts behind this mother of all con jobs has gone to jail for their heinious crimes against humanity, and until that happens, the flogging will continue.

      I wonder what the world will look like on 12/22/2012, the day after the Mayan calendar ends. Many are predicting a new Golden Age because we, the people, have finally had it and there's more of us than there them. Plus we have truth and goodness on our side.

      •  Oh hell yeah (1+ / 0-)
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        I am inspired. I hope this momentum grows into an ever-bigger tsunami. But the folks in Tunisia and Egypt were willing to die to shut it all down, en masse. When we get there in big enough numbers, we will have won.

        If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

        by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:24:08 PM PST

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  •  You mean the Beltway Dems' surrender? (28+ / 0-)

    I see value in your diary but this never-ending use of the "Royal We" is a bit tiresome.

    Many here in this site have not been instrumental in embracing of GOP talking points since 1980 and even when many here have spoken forcefully against those "Democratic Leaders" and others have tried to shut them down, those same individuals have continued telling the truth and asking for accountability from the Democrats currently in the White House and in DC.

    So no, is "they" because here "We" are a reality based community (for the most part)

  •  Demonstrations Are Not Only Happening..... (77+ / 0-)

    in Wisconsin.  They are happening across the United States.....in New Jersey, in Indiana, in Michigan, in Ohio, etc etc.  I went to two large ones in Olympia, Washington state in the last 2 weeks.  I'm going to another one  this Thursday.

    Walker was caught at the Municipal Court House in Milwaukee earlier today.  He travels w/ two armed guards at his side now.  He was booed.....loudly....as he escaped down the hall.  Thousands of police officers protested in Trenton, New Jersey last week.  That's Chris Christie territory.  Believe me.....he noticed.

    This is week 3 of the protest in Madison.  Police have been imported from across the entire state to maintain Walker's police state.  Right now Walker is using a mix of state troopers, small town deputies & fish & game wardens to maintain his compound at the Capitol.

    They may not be afraid of our demonstrations.......but they have certainly noticed.  And they will continue to notice them along w/ the recalls currently pending for 8 of their Republican state senators.  They'll also notice Walker's which is due in 10 months.  

    •  We can't predict where this will go. (47+ / 0-)

      Remembering the Civil Rights marches, the protests against South Africa and Viet Nam.... if Americans hang together for a righteous cause, they can eventually win. Some serendipitous event could happen (Kent State- a new charismatic leader- Selma) and this whole hostile takeover of the government by conservative fanatics could go bust.  Or not.  A lot depends on how willing Americans are to sustain this fight even when their jobs are threatened.  

      •  the future is unknown (10+ / 0-)

        too many wild cards

        a spike in energy prices could be a game-changer, for example...

        I want a unicorn that shits rainbows. -5.75, -4.72

        by TheGreatLeapForward on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:44:45 AM PST

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        •  I think they are starting to fear "us"; (16+ / 0-)

          By "us", I mean everyone that is not "them" - - the Kochs, US Chamber of Commerce, AFP, the Rovians all the way down to Walker could never have anticipated demonstrations across the country, they surely anticipated political fighting - but not the very sudden involvement of millions from coast to coast.  From a "pragmatic" point of view, there is no way that they would have initiated this "power grab" - if it risked not only failing but also costing some of their gains.

          And that is what is now at stake.  Now that the ordinary Joe, the "Reagan Democrat" sees why he/she was a democrat to begin with and starts talking to people about things other than  the Fox News Talking Points handed out by the USCofC, then some of their gains are at risk.

          THAT, is a wild card they are now afraid of - - but as the diarist notes, we must be prepared to carry it through over years.

          "How can the United States be the Greatest Nation in the World and the only Super Power when its citizens hold bake sales to raise money to pay for life saving medical care?"

          by 4CasandChlo on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:44:00 AM PST

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          •  I Don't Think They Fear Us (14+ / 0-)

            I think we are beginning to annoy them, so they really perceive us more as mosquitos or bed bugs, now, rather than just white noise.  

            They've figured out how to game the system, even elections.  What would they have to fear?  It has been a systematic brain-washing started by Reagan along with that asshole Donal Trump, who conned the middle class into believing his alleged business acumen which included all of that Six Sigma idiocy and anti-union crap. He sold a lot of books to a lot of willing morons.  

            •  They don't fear us at all (7+ / 0-)

              But their "annoyance" is the most dangerous for us because they will want to stop the annoyance before it goes too far.

              There will be distractions, the next "crisis".  They will say that this is all over and our demonstrations are simply making matters worse.  There will be a concerted echo chamber of voices downplaying any moves we make, and denigrating any values we hold dear.

              They are not stupid.  they are not going to easily give up any ground that they've spent the last 30 years gaining.  Rove is the master of dirty tricks, and will stay one step ahead of us.  We will be constantly on the defensive, trying to counter his attacks.  

              It will be a long, hard struggle.  It will be hard not to become discouraged and give up.  But it will also be worth it because if we continue long enough, we will get stronger and stronger, and we will win.  

              -6.63, -6.87 Just to the left of the Dalai Lama

              by ronik on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:50:25 PM PST

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              •  Yes, it will be worth it (2+ / 0-)
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                and people have fought nastier battles than this one. The people of Egypt had to be willing to shut down the government, even if it got them killed. When we are there in big enough numbers, we will have won. Meantime, we need to get as many people fighting as possible.

                If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

                by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:15:40 PM PST

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                •  Keep the coal miners in mind (3+ / 0-)
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                  They had more to fight than this.  Many gave their lives for the struggle.  We got complacent for a while, and allowed them to gain some ground.

                  Keep the coal miners in mind.  We are their descendants.  We have to take up the fight again.

                  -6.63, -6.87 Just to the left of the Dalai Lama

                  by ronik on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:40:13 PM PST

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                  •  I keep thinking about the documentary film... (6+ / 0-)

                    Harlan County USA about the bloody conflict between miners and owners in KY in 1973.  It's won a lot of awards and I think it can  be viewed online for free.

                    I've never liked the phrase "history repeats itself" because, in my life, everything has changed so dramatically. On the other hand, this Wisconsin movement is right out of the history books: robber barons and corrupt politicians against working class folks. It even has elements of Dickens' industrial England.  

                    Our young people need to understand that Americans died and starved for union rights but, of course, school curriculum has been so watered down by conservatives that our kids probably never get the truth about civil rights, unions, etc.  

                    •  Yes, there's that one (2+ / 0-)
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                      but it goes back to 1897 and the Lattimer Massacre; then Mother Jones and the Battle of Virden; The Westmoreland County Coal Strike; the Ludlow Massacre; Matewan, WV and the Redneck War. All the way up to Harlan County in 1973.

                      They've been struggling for so long, and their struggle continues even now.  So many miners have been killed by hired guards (Pinkertons), state militias, local police, etc.  But the UMWA was born and persevered, and that same perseverance and focus is required of us now if we want to preserve our rights, benefits, and working conditions.

                      So many of those miners have turned toward the repubs recently.  I wonder if current events have made them rethink that decision?

                      -6.63, -6.87 Just to the left of the Dalai Lama

                      by ronik on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 04:33:20 PM PST

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                  •  I am the granddaughter of a coal miner and the (5+ / 0-)

                    daughter of a Teamster union steward who as a young man knew first hand about the head cracking in the 1930s.  I will be in Madison tomorrow (3/12)  to honor their fights, and to preserve their legacies for my grandsons.

                    Yes, this will be a long, hard struggle, just like their's was.

                    See you there.

                    •  Wish I could be there (0+ / 0-)

                      I'd give anything to be able to go to Madison, but its just not possible.

                      I'll be there with you in spirit, though.  Give 'em hell.

                      -6.63, -6.87 Just to the left of the Dalai Lama

                      by ronik on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:29:08 PM PST

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              •  You're so right and how depressing it is. n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Stop using your fear centers and start (1+ / 0-)
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              using your imagination and what meager political skills you have.  Is there nothing you can do other than wring your hands?

              Pathos is not an acceptable or effective response.  More is required to actually educate and change the system.

              •  YES! While I view Henry Ford as a villain in many (3+ / 0-)
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                ways (deeply anti-Semitic, sicked thugs on union organizers, etc.)  he did day the following:

                "If you think you can, or you think you can't, you're probably right."

                Our inner talk and beliefs will shape our actions.  Ths diary sets the perfect tone--this will be a long, hard, at times discouraging struggle.  It does no good to be glib about things.  But neither does it help to be so defeatist as to not even try, or to despair.  Besides, what other choices do we have?  I for one am not willing to setttle for a society in which my grandsons are slotted into a life of constant struggle as glorified corporate serfs.  If we do not engage in this struggle now, we will come full circle and they will face issues similar to ones faced by their great, great gandfather, an immigrant coal miner form Belgium.

                My sense of hope springs from this: the events in Wisconsin may have gotten many apolitical or minimally engaged people with busy lives to change their self-perceptions.  Instead of viewing themselves as teacher, nurse, secretary, bus driver, worker bee + parent + lover + friend + softball player + beer drinker + bowler + crafter (or whatever else makes up their social persona and roles), maybe now "politically aware citizen" has been added to that mix.  Hell, maybe even activist.

                 Instead of seeing each of our lives and families as little islands, they might now "see" the bigger picture, and fullly grasp what happens when we don't pay attention, don't think for ourselves, don't expect more of the democrats, and worst of all, don't vote.  Maybe the idea that "Government is the problem" will be understood as "Yes, it is, if we are dumb enough to put the GOP in charge."  Maybe "Unions are evil" will morph into  "Maybe they have their flaws, but I'd choose them over being at the mercy of corporate bosses with no rights any day." Maybe "Teachers get paid too much or are too hard to fire" will change to "Paying them a decent salary and protecting them from arbitrary decisions by bureacrats" means I can live in a state with an educated population.
                Maybe "Taxes are bad." will get reinterpreted as "Taxing are a cheap price to pay to live in a decent, caring, progressive society.  If I wanted to live in Alabama, I'd move there."  (Sorry Alabama--I had to pick somewhere.)

                If that new awareness spreads to others around them, there may be enough momentum, commitment, and energy for the long haul struggle we face.  Our job is to gently fan that spark of a new perception.  

            •  Ayn Randism in action. (1+ / 0-)
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              They're the producers and we're the parasites.

        •  which way would that spike change (2+ / 0-)
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          the game?  I could see it going either way, really ... UNLESS it's tied to the same players doing this crap in WI and 16 other states.  We see the connection ... do others?

          "Without viable unions to serve as a counterweight to corporate power, America's working people and their families are at the mercy of the largest and most powerful economic organizations on the planet."

          by billlaurelMD on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:38:25 PM PST

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      •  This is true (7+ / 0-)

        We have to have the same kind of courage that the people of Libya are showing.  We have to be willing to risk our lives, and our livelyhoods.  I hope we're there, I'm just not sure.  During the 60's young people were fighting to not risk their lives in Viet Nam.  Their economic security wasn't yet at risk.  That was changed with the defunding of colleges, and the substitution of student loans.  That created a "middle class" of indentured servants.  I think residual racism is the biggest obstacle to overthrowing our corporate overlords.

        I do not like thee, Doctor Fell, The reason why I cannot tell; But this I know, and know full well, I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

        by opinionated on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:34:51 AM PST

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      •  I shudder at your description of (9+ / 0-)

        Kent state as a "serendipitous event."  The parents and loved ones of those four dead kids didn't find it serendipitous.  

        I agree with your larger point, though.  

        Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

        by SottoVoce on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:39:15 AM PST

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        •  It was serendipitous in that ... (0+ / 0-)

          ...it wasn't expected.  No one thought that college kids would be fired on but it happened.  I call that serendipitous...unplanned...surprising.  

          •  I'm sure that's what you meant. (1+ / 0-)
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            It's just that serendipity connotes something happy.

            Serendipity denotes the property of making fortunate discoveries while looking for something unrelated, or the occurrence of such a discovery during such a search.
             Kent and Jackson State were among the formative events of my life, and even today I shudder to think of it.  These guys are the same kind of cold-hearted people as those National Guardsmen that day; determined to have their way, and brushing aside anyone or anything in their paths.

            Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

            by SottoVoce on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 05:34:22 PM PST

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      •  "a new charismatic leader"? (2+ / 0-)
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        Didn't that already happen?

    •  If a Tree Falls in the Forest... (1+ / 0-)
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      If a demonstration occurs but goes unreported, as many are these days, does it make an impact?

      Except for three programs on MSNBC (O'Donnell, Maddow, & Schultz) there is precious little reporting on any of this. Much of what you cite in this comment is news to me.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the coverage of Wisconsin on al Jazeera is better than it is on CNN.

  •  Ever Wonder Who Would Turn People Into Lampshades? (32+ / 0-)

    It needs to be said loudly - this is a Fascist movement with the potential to go on a genocidal rampage.

    There aren't many possible endings to this movie.

  •  Might I mention White Privilege? (18+ / 0-)

    It was disgusting to watch those what? 15 white men vote despite one lone soul telling them what they were doing was illegal and wrong, and then those 15 white men simply left the room expressionlessly.

    On the other hand, I think this will prove to be a Phyrrhic Victory in the long run.  A recall might reflect that while this battle has been won, the war will have been lost by Walker and his enablers.

    •  Race? Really!? n/t (6+ / 0-)

      ----- GOP found drowned in Grover Norquist's bathtub.

      by JimWilson on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 05:27:54 AM PST

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      •  Race plays big in WI politics (6+ / 0-)

        GOP has a lot of its base in the many many rural counties on Wisconsin, where virtually no brown people live.  Many rural folk are not expressly racist, but being vaguely afraid of people unlike you is a common part of teh human condition.

        If you do not think the WI GOP exploits race in WI politics, I can conclude only that you do not live in Wisconsin.

        •  Milwaukee for one has certainly had (4+ / 0-)

          its horrendous problems with racism, and that's Walker's home base. I see this as centered on something different, that Reagan Democrats (who thought Reagan would get them cheap gas) finally saw the supposed protectors of "Real America" coming for them too. But the reality of Wisconsin union membership and the public work force may well involve race. It's always bitterly amusing to me how many people assume there can be no racism among white people unless they have Southern accents.

          Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

          by jlb1972 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:00:55 PM PST

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          •  Milwaukee's suburbs and Waukesha all sprang (11+ / 0-)

            up large white subdivisions, white flight, after court-ordered school bussing of the poor and minorities began, and laws against allowing minorities to buy into homes in neighborhoods or renting there were at least prevented from being enforced.  

            Yes, WI has it's enlightened, educated progressives and it's long had its share of rednecks (and the educated ones coming from certain private colleges like Marquette University--where Walker 'attended' without graduating).  Once in a while common cause is found, but a fair amount of the time it's more of a cold war.  

            Racism latent or unvarnished can be found amongst some percentage of Wisconsin union members, school teachers, clergy, business owners, banks and real estate offices, and yes, police and fire fighters and medical professionals. It is less embarrassing to be a verbal racist when the GOP is in ascendancy, far more embarrassing when not.  The rise of evangelical/fundamentalist 'non-denominational' mega-churches is tied close to the rise of Republicans, re-emergence of verbalized racism, and the efforts to cut any taxes which appear to support 'those people'.  Coors, Bradley foundation, etc. are giving large amounts of monies to conservative religious organizations to bolster their presence and influence in society as well as to make sure corporate taxes are cut to zero.

            Scott Walker's hometown Wauwatosa may still have in its real estate covenants rules to prevent transfer of property to 'negroes', although not deemed officially enforceable now due to state and federal laws (uh, oh...).  Even so, minorities adventuring into Wauwatosa hoping to find a home or condo may still be steered by some real estate agents to housing areas 'more suitable to their kind', or discover the listing they seek is no longer on the market, etc.  And if a minority family does move in, they may find themselves feeling like moving out within a couple of years, due to the palpably inhospitable attitudes.

            Wauwatosa still likes to portray itself as a sort of perfect small town (white) subset of a once idyllic America, clearly understanding themselves as being what it was like before the uppity poor people 'ruined' Milwaukee. John Birch isn't explicitly preached here, but David Koch would feel quite at home.  Wauwatosa has lots of 'old money' families, folks who donate to theater and music and certain charities, and they quietly deem themselves the best of sorts for doing so, but they don't like outsiders one bitm even white ones--they might misunderstand what's going on.  If you move in from another Milwaukee collar suburb, well maybe your taste is improving...after a couple years you may be somewhat accepted.  If you move in from Madison, don't expect to be easily trusted for years.  Even so, even Wauwatosa has some feisty enlightened progressives in it.  And Waukesha can be even worse than Wauwatosa as far as blatant rednecks go...some of the most 'conservative' Wauwatosan's moved to Waukesha in the 1970's to 1990's to escape the influence of urban liberals being felt within Wauwatosa.  

            Waukesha sees itself as a citadel against the minority overrun morass of Milwaukee, but has a nasty technical problem, water.  It simply has to gain access to Milwaukee's Lake Michigan water supply or it cannot grow, and the Lake Compact and DNR and EPA won't allow it.  Conserving water is a ridiculous hippie notion when so much is so close by.  Thus, Scott Walker will likely be seeking a way around this artificial blockade liberals set up to protect the Great Lakes, just to keep Waukesha happy, and their money flowing to GOP causes.

            When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

            by antirove on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:00:27 PM PST

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            •  Thank you, I knew something (3+ / 0-)
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              about these matters but not much. It's a familiar story.

              Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

              by jlb1972 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:06:19 PM PST

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            •  Thanks for saving me the trouble (2+ / 0-)
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              and writing with greater clarity and thoroughness than I can.

            •  You are so right! (2+ / 0-)
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              This is the most succinct description I have seen.  We moved from Milwaukee (Bay View) 30 years ago.  I need to write a diary about my family's experience with school integration in 1976-77.  The racism there is ust as overt as it was in the South.  Strangely enough (I now live in NC) racism seems somewhat less.  As someone sais aboe, much of it is based on fear of the other.  Rural Wisconinites only know what they see on the news, they have no daily contact with minorities as we do in the South.

              Sunlight is the best disinfectant

              by historys mysteries on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 04:37:44 PM PST

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              •  Easy to write when you've lived through it (6+ / 0-)

                and saw it happening, living through neighborhood changes, school changes.  Watching the 'non-denominational' fundamentalists convincing members to leave traditional denominations over the racism, busing, and other issues for 'non-denominational' mega-churches was eye-opening.  

                The claim it's about getting back to the Bible and Christian traditions is so piously made, yet it's about putting women into submissive roles, putting everyone in their place, asserting an order that God intended, and keeping people in line.  This becomes a 'spiritiual' country club, fraternity, and realigning power and wealth part of their whole game.  It's a lower-key John Birch Society wrapped in evangelical leather Bible and patriotic flag.  It's stayed under the radar although sometimes we see critical reviews of 'The Promise Keepers' or other major efforts to spread more quickly than a slower seeping into all society.  They claim to be Christian Orthodox, yet have a distorted, if any, historical perspective regarding what real orthodoxy was about.

                Re-Christianizing the public schools, workplace, public sector, rewriting the laws, all 'for Jesus' are key objectives.  Waukesha, Wauwatosa, and other conservative communities are trying their darndest to 'retake Wisconsin' for right-believing people, and to push out all the socialist liberal unions and anyone advocating liberal ideas.  

                This is what cultural war looks like.  What we have to come up with is what the pushback and liberal defense needs to be, or the eliminationist strategy will play out to the finish. They seem to feel they have big enough numbers now to let the masks fall and that with access to enough power in enough states, they can push through whatever they want and force the entire US into submission to their idea of God and social order.  That may be the part of the overreach which gives us a chance to organize a full resistance.  They will not yield to being embarrassed, intimidated, etc. because they feel they have God's ordained support.. They will have to be pushed out.

                When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

                by antirove on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:41:45 PM PST

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                •  I spent the first half of my life (so far!) (0+ / 0-)

                  in the Deep South and the second half in the Northeast, with brief stays in California and the Midwest. I came from a "mixed" marriage, with a Louisiana mother and Pennsylvania father. Since the 70's it has been plain as a pikestaff to me  that the tight bipartisan focus on the South was a diversion, and a direly successful one.

                  Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

                  by jlb1972 on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 04:06:22 AM PST

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                  •  Have relatives in South. I know what that is like (1+ / 0-)
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                    too.  Visits can have uncomfortable moments.  Especially for the ones who have moved from North to South and 'acclimated' in ways I couldn't imagine happening. Peer pressure is so possible.

                    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

                    by antirove on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 07:13:27 AM PST

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                    •  True, there are plenty of right-wing (0+ / 0-)

                      "carpetbaggers" in the South, and quite a few among current GOP politicians: the Bushes, Newt, George Allen, Bob Barr, for example. My parents were odd birds, in many ways, and when I was a young boy in the 50's and early 60's my Southern mother was far more than liberal than my Northern father. He was from old Quaker stock, well-educated and very widely traveled, and the single worst racist, antisemite, ethnic bigot, and homophobe I've ever known. My mother basically went crazy during the early 60's and defaulted to Southern-style racism and Red- and Jew-baiting. They went from Goldwater to Wallace and the White Citizens Council to David Duke and finally Christian Identity. I never knew my Northern family well - our family was troubled - but I knew they were all rock-ribbed Republicans like my grandfather. Having seen the racial situation in the North and Midwest, like W.E.B. Dubois I prefer the familiarity and frankness of the South.

                      Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

                      by jlb1972 on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 09:52:22 AM PST

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              •  "Fear of the other" can tempt you to power (1+ / 0-)
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                But when you actually know "the others" as the usual odd lots of humanity, you may tend more to your own life and leave others to theirs.

                Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

                by jlb1972 on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 04:13:08 AM PST

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        •  Somehow I can't believe the Republicans are (0+ / 0-)

          doing this just to keep the brown people down.  Look elsewhere.

          ----- GOP found drowned in Grover Norquist's bathtub.

          by JimWilson on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:30:13 PM PST

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    •  Why not? (1+ / 0-)
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      Everyone else around here does at the drop of a hat.

      I'm a concert pianist with a double doctorate... AND YOU CAN BE TOO!

      by kenlac on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:58:14 AM PST

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    •  Blechh (1+ / 0-)
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      What utter nonsense.

      I Know a place where a Royal Flush never beat a Pair" T. Waits

      by NearlyNormal on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:26:19 AM PST

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    •  The priviledge of the ruling elite, WH included, (4+ / 0-)

      ...has no regard for public opinion anymore.

      America seems to be on a trajectory defined by the narrow interests of Very Important Globalists who believe they know better than the public. The natural public resistance to wealth and power concentration has always been a known, manageable, temporary, insignificant.

      Any semblance of respect for public opinion was erased when $25 billion of the nation's wealth was handed to the banks, with a sop to auto workers as long as they accepted lower salaries.  A temporary manageable opposition, at best, and a few teabagger pols was all that followed TARP, abandonment of the public option, and escalation in Afghanistan.

      PIMCO liquidated US equities and all of their substantial portfolio of T-bills to invest instead in global conglomerates, Brazil and Mexico. Mexico!  

      Afraid of us? Ha, divide and conquer will suffice for the minor irritation of so-called American patriots, heads-down busied working overtime trying to pay the bills.  

    •  Sure. (0+ / 0-)

      As long as you can also notice the color of the skin of the Democrat Senators fighting it.. the protesters marching against it.. the union members refusing to give in.

      And hopefully realize that it's 'class privilege', not 'white privilege', before you actually post that comment.

      "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

      by Wayward Son on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:40:36 PM PST

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  •  Why? Why aren't they afraid and why (14+ / 0-)

    don't they care how adversely this reflects on them?

    It isn't just because they're going to be floating around in swimming pools filled with $100 dollar bills.

    They're pretty confident that nothing can stop them.  Nothing left to do now but turn the key in the lock.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 05:44:10 AM PST

  •  Wrong diary title (17+ / 0-)

    It should read: "They might not be afraid of us NOW!"

    Tipped and recommended for the conversation. But they will fear us. You bet they will.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:17:48 AM PST

    •  They have the arrogance of the lords (16+ / 0-)

      who were running France in 1787.

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:43:05 AM PST

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    •  Actually, I think they are already (19+ / 0-)

      afraid of us now--at least in WI.  I think that's a big reason why when the State Senate and Assembly were in session earlier this week, they demanded the limited access to the Capitol building and the screening process that has been put in place.  They're afraid of the people of this state who know what they've done and what they have in mind.  Their fear of the people of this state is also why people who have visited the Capitol this week say that there are as many cops present as there are citizens allowed in. They're not taking any chances.  It's also why the Republican senators were escorted out of the building Wed. night by State Troopers and other cops after pulling their little trick and then fleeing without stopping to speak to reporters.  It's also why there was a heavy police presence yesterday when the Assembly met to pass this travesty of a bill.

      They know that what they've done and what they plan to do to this state is morally, ethically, and likely legally wrong.  Well, they brought this rage on themselves and now they have go to about with State Trooper escorts.  The State Patrol can't provide them with "bodyguard" and "palace guard" services forever.  I wonder if they thought about that before they pulled this sh** on the people of this state.

      Objecting to our governor’s policies does not make a citizen of Wisconsin a criminal. Not yet, anyway. ~ nelangst

      by 3goldens on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:29:12 AM PST

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    •  That was my thought too (10+ / 0-)

      They weren't afraid of the workers in the 20s either. They weren't afraid of them until they camped in DC (Bonus Army)

      That's a large part of what put FDR in the WH and big Dem margins in Congress.

      While the Bonus Army has been all but forgotten, things like that gave the Dems control of Congress for 40 yrs.

    •  No, I think the Rhetoricus had it right. (7+ / 0-)

      He didn't say that the likes of Walker will never be affected by the things we'll do in the future, he just said that Walker isn't afraid of those things nor of us.

      In this he is right...it's just like how David Koch isn't afraid of us. Koch will be a very rich man until he dies and his lifestyle will not be changed by us one iota. So really, what does he have to fear? Sure, Koch may not always be able to successfully continue the power grabs he always made and this will probably piss him off, but that is not something he fears.

      So we must fight with the knowledge in mind, that to win, we need to do much more than try to make Koch and company afraid. I wish all we had to do was make them afraid after which they'd bring a halt to their to all their lying and stealing. Unfortunately, it won't be that easy.

  •  Why should they be? (39+ / 0-)

    Nobody has our back.  I seem to recall we elected a president who would change things . . . and restore the Rule of Law.

    The Republicans constantly cheat, lie and steal:  from Watergate to Iran-Contra to the Iraq War to torture to warrantless wiretapping . . . virtually without consequences.

    Oh, Nixon was forced to resign, but Ford pardoned him.  GHW Bush got away with saying as the former head of the CIA and the sitting VP - he was "out of the loop" on Iran-Contra.  Caspar Weinberger got pardoned jsut before trial, because he might have implicated his bosses had the trial gone forward.

    Bush and Cheney admit to ordering warrantless wiretaps (a felony carrying up to 5 years PER WIRETAP . 1,000 wiretapes = 5,000 years in prison) and enhanced interrogation aka torture . . . but the Attorney General, whose former job was defending Chiquita Banana when they hired right-wind death squads to murder labor organizers in Central America, is too gutless to simply enforce the laws he swore to uphold.

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by bobdevo on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:29:25 AM PST

  •  BUT I bet M&I bank did not like the run on their (26+ / 0-)

    bank by the firefighters.   They all withdrew their money.

    This is how we fight back.

    If they won't get out of our politics, guess what we have the power of the purse.

    all they care about is money.

    we must fight fire with fire.  

    this is not about voting.  we will never win.

  •  Great Joss Whedon quote... (3+ / 0-)
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    But here's hoping we get a hell of a lot more out of our fight this time than ONE not as good as the show movie...

    I'm NOT in Detroit. Unless you count mentally, in which case I'm also 1000 years in the future.

    by detroitmechworks on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:36:21 AM PST

  •  And we have to boycott (12+ / 0-)

    Boycott Koch goods and boycott the banks. Take your money out of corporate owned banks, and put it in credit unions. I am doing it next week, as soon as I get out of work on Monday. If we all get our $$ out of the banks, which took our buyouts and rewarded their crooked CEOs, it will be noticed.

    I stand in Solidarity with Wisconsin.

    by adigal on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:43:16 AM PST

    •  Already working on that. (10+ / 0-)

      Took BofA three days to process the initial deposit transaction into my new CU account. Just set up my direct deposit this morning. We'll see where the next paycheck goes.

      Though honestly, a massive percentage of people would have to switch to a credit union before the banks would feel a thing. At least on the bright side, I, personally, won't need to worry about all those monthly fees anymore.

      -this space for rent-

      by EsnRedshirt on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:53:25 AM PST

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    •  Note how the farmworkers (1+ / 0-)
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      of the Coalition of Immokalee Workers have successfully rolled over massive corporations like McDonalds and Aramark.   Instead of trying to take them all on at once, they've hit them one at a time, building corporate campaigns, of pressure tactics, protests and boycotts on one corporation at a time.  We can do the same on a much grander scale than 3,000 impoverished farmworkers in a remote corner of Florida could even dream of doing.  Let's just hope we can do it half as well as they do.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 03:29:48 PM PST

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  •  Rethugs can smell fear (13+ / 0-)

    I rec'd you but what's your point?
    I'll tell you what they do fear--you NOT being afraid.

  •  This is a war of attrition (27+ / 0-)

    and I hope we (the American people) have the attention span for it.  We've got a lot of good pictures and stuff now and since the right has now gone after people's livelihoods and everything else but creating jobs I hope they'll remember how they were lied to

    and hold the right to account, again and again and again

    We all are going to have days were we look at the battle and think "I can't do this any longer" - "they are winning and we've lost it all"  etc

    (I know I have already felt these things ... after Rachel's show last night, saying everything I already knew about voter suppression and that they will go after this next - I felt like we aren't ever going to win again, or if we loose 2012 we should pack up because it's all over)

    This is natural .. soldiers on the battlefield feel this at times

    BUT we NEED, we MUST be each others support  to get us through the two step backs ... to keep us fighting and moving forward

    I remind myself that those who fought for and died for unions in an earlier century must have felt this way too.  We are picking up from them.

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:47:12 AM PST

  •  Well you're right (9+ / 0-)

    that they aren't afraid.  We the People have been whipped for so long, they expect us to cower on command, and waaay too many of those who proclaim themselves "our" "leaders" are neither "ours" nor "leaders", but just hustlers on the make looking for that corporate payday.

    Nonetheless, there are things in that list that they damned sure should be afraid of, things like recalls and general strikes (they made those illegal for a reason, you know),  and it's our job to restore the fearsomeness of those things.

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:52:15 AM PST

  •  I really think people (21+ / 0-)

    have to cancel their cable and turn off the TV. Can you imagine what would happen if a million people cancelled their cable and turned off the tube?  I cancelled my cable almost 2 years ago.  I don't even watch TV anymore and when I take the Pew quizzes, I'm always in the top 1% of well informed people.  That's 1%.  People are so brainwashed by propaganda 24/7 that all their basic assumptions about politics and gov't are wrong. We can get what we need from the internet, iphones, etc.  Take $$ out of their banks and put it in the Credit Union. Find out what they make, and if they makes as much stuff as Koch does, pick 2 things and don't buy them.  I'm not buying Angel Soft toilet paper, and when I buy OSB, which I soon will be doing, I'll buy a brand made by someone other than Koch industries. We have to attack every day and in every way we can.

    "They had fangs. They were biting people. They had this look in their eyes,totally cold, animal. I think they were young Republicans."

    by slouching on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:53:27 AM PST

  •  Oh, and work for publicly funded elections. (14+ / 0-)

    Los Angeles just made a step toward progress in the their passage of Measure H.

    "They had fangs. They were biting people. They had this look in their eyes,totally cold, animal. I think they were young Republicans."

    by slouching on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:56:28 AM PST

  •  You are 1000% correct. (23+ / 0-)

    In 1990 WV Teachers who neither have collective bargaining NOR the right to strike had had enough.

    Better than 80% of them went out for 11 days.  They won a 5000 dollar raise and went from 49th in pay to 30th.

    The key was that so many of them went out that had they been fired they would have had to close school. They DID close school when they were out.

    They had SOME public support but mostly in WV there are a lot of low paid and uneducated people who see the teachers making a living wage and getting summers off as too good already.

    BUT- they stuck together and won.

    http://www.wvea.org/...

    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      they CAN'T fire all the teachers (and principals, and support staff). They just CAN'T.

      You can't find replacements fast enough. This isn't some factory job you can teach some idiot off the street how to do in an hour. It takes education and a lot of training.

      Same with most govt jobs. They've already outsourced the easy ones. The ones that are left are really, really hard to replace.

      You think you can replace a physics professor at a state university overnight? Think again. What about computer professors, math professors, english professors?

      We won't even get into the other staff - there's a LOT of technical staff at a university, and they're NOT cheap to replace. If you can even FIND anybody to replace them.

  •  I know this is weird but I'm reminded of (3+ / 0-)
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    An old tee-vee ad for "Gunsmoke". Someone asked Sherrif Matt Dillon if he was ever afraid doing his job. He replied "Any man who isn't afraid is a fool!"

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:22:15 AM PST

  •  They may not be afraid now (19+ / 0-)

    and they might not be afraid tomorrow.   But then neither was Mubarek afraid on January 25.

    We do need persistance, but we don't need to worry about their fear.

  •  When an elected official (8+ / 0-)

    is clearly doing the bidding of corporate interests, and is not listening to the people who elected him--- the people ought to be able to call for a special election and remove the guy.  

    And I'm beginning to think that regular folks ought to be able to write legislation, get signatures, bypass Congress, and put the damn thing right on the president's desk.

    We have lost control of our government.

  •  We have two other factors: (13+ / 0-)

    1) Numbers and 2) Time.

    There are far more of us than there are of them, and we're the ones that make their businesses run, make their trash go away, make their kids smart, put their fires out and so on. It won't take long to demonstrate our value to those who have learned to pretend it doesn't exist.

    Similarly, people have lost sight of what it is government does, and I think that's because our government has never placed much of a premium on pointing out what it does, on making citizen service a pleasure, on making lasting improvements to the city skyline and so on. Government almost seeks to be under the radar and behind the scenes, nondescript in its architecture and purely, barely functional in handling the public. Start reminding people of what it is the government does...the roads, the police, the regulation, the assistance, the infrastructure. People are always surprised...they're talking about defunding South Carolina's excellent public broadcasting infrastructure because nobody in Columbia knows how to increase revenue without offsetting the increases with tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy. Now, people are finding out that it isn't just Frontline and liberal kids shows like Sesame Street that teach diversity, tolerance and understanding. It's also the statewide highway patrol training network, the money-saving instructional broadcasting to underserved rural schools and a host of other things that nobody thought about.

    Secondly, most of the people bankrolling this nationwide Republican effort to defund America are elderly white men. Sure, there are lots of young true believers, but in terms of numeric advantage in elections and so on, in a few years, the GOP will experience a pretty severe die-off of its most influential men of means, and that can only be good for America.

    If we can hold it together for a few more years, changes in technology and communication will reveal to the People of the world, the working class billions, that we're all in this together and our common enemy is those that would own us and the fruits of our labor. In fact, I'd say this understanding is beginning to spread like wildfire, and that people already realize that the American people do not hate them, despite what our government says or does. There is a natural solidarity among the poor and working class, and it's starting to be revealed that the divisions between us are artificial and intentional creations of the corporate interests that stand to lose the most from people power.

    It's a shame the corporate world can't just embrace it, take its massive profits and provide its principals the luxury lifestyle they seem to need without engaging in a zero-sum game to own everything from our hats and shoes to our souls. Some companies realize this, I think, and will embrace the people. Others will die with the soulless Cheneys and Kochs and de Voses.

    -5.38 -4.72 T. "...a mosque that rejects radicalism is not a symbol of the enemy's victory; it is a prerequisite for our own." Michael Gerson

    by trevzb on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:24:49 AM PST

  •  It is a matter of indifference to me (8+ / 0-)

    whether the Corporatists are afraid or not.  Progressives are persistent.  More and more people will realize that it is our country and our very lives that are at stake.

    We'll just keep on until we win.  And after that, we'll keep on so we don't lose what we've won.

    "Everyone is ignorant-but on different subjects." Will Rogers

    by Mayfly on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:33:46 AM PST

  •  Keep the Kochroaches Illuminated ---- (4+ / 0-)

    Those dirty, filthy, disease-spreading vermin.

  •  But then, I am not afraid of them! (8+ / 0-)

       Somewhere, there exists a picture of me as a 3 year old, standing with my fists on my hips (in utter defiance).  Decades later, when I was asked to submit a picture for a contest and that was what I submitted.  No one was fooled, they ID'd me immediately.

     I start young and haven't slowed down.  

  •  Non-violence combined with obstruction (8+ / 0-)

    of roads, bridges, courtrooms, state houses.  Make their lives MISERABLE.  This is a wake up call for all Americans.  

    First, they came for the Muslims, but I wasn't a Muslim, so I didn't care.  Then, they came for the Union workers, but I wasn't a Union worker, so I didn't care...  well, I think pretty much everyone here knows how the rest of this goes.  It ends with "and then, there was no one left."

    F'rs.  Rethuglicans are what's wrong with this country.  Period.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:49:35 AM PST

  •  They live in a Consquences-Free World (15+ / 0-)

    What's going to happen to them?  Alberta Darling made a huge fuss yesterday about the fact that she's received a death threat.  Ooo.  Hold me, I'm scared.  The fact is that unless the sender of the threat is some utterly deranged nutjob like Jared Loughner, NOTHING is going to happen to her.

    She fucked thousands of her constituents out of their constitutional rights, and NOT ONE DAMNED THING is going to happen to her.  The whip ain't coming down.  The axe isn't about to fall.  Worst case scenario is that she gets recalled in a few months and takes a six-figure job working for the Koch Brothers.

    You can lie, and you can steal, and you can corrupt our basic institutions, but you will NEVER in this life be held accountable for it.

    Quick!  How many CEO's have gone off to jail during the past decade?  A half dozen?  Considering the financial carnage they've created, doesn't it seem a little unfair that they have 24-hour armed protection at an all-inclusive federal resort?

    And Karl Rove is still walking the streets a free man, right?  And Donald Rumsfeld?

    Until they start to feel the effects of what they've done, they'll continue to just chuckle and walk away from the consequences.

    •  I'd be quite happy if they all (1+ / 0-)
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      took those high paying jobs. I'd be happier if those high paying jobs sent them someplace else.

      I hope they have nice lives, and that the tax rates are raised enough that they spend the rest of their lives paying huge amounts to the govt that they hate sooooo much.

      And that history completely forgets their names.

      But remembers for centuries the ones who protested in WI.

      •  Exactly My Thoughts - Let All Those Corporate (2+ / 0-)
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        whores go into the vaunted "private sector" (hopefully they will be sent to some think tank overseas) and leave us regular people who work for a living alone. Dick Cheney should be in jail, Andrew Breitbart should be in jail, the list goes on and on. The fact that these right wing thugs never suffer any consequences for their hypocrisy, lying, cheating and stealing is the main thing that pisses me off.

    •  I don't care who Darling ends up working for (7+ / 0-)

      as long as we get her out of our State Senate.

      I don't buy the idea that none of these Republicans are worry free right now. I think some of them are probably quite worried as are some of their business supporters.

      All of a sudden, the political has become intensely personal for a lot of people who live here and they're mad as hell about it. Attacking the middle class so brazenly was a major miscalculation on their part and one we can effectively use against them.

    •  I disagree. Darling will be recalled. (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't have the numbers, but the momentum is huge.  They had 20% of the signatures they needed 3 days ago, and they just started canvassing on the 5th.  They had 600 volunteers to canvass the first weekend alone, with only a bit of publicity on Facebook. It was hard to find a place to park within a few blocks of that office because of the steady strem of people going in to sign the petitions.

       I spoke with two of the canvassers in my neighborhood (Shorewood) who both said not one person had refused to sign.  

      And keep in mind that she only won last time by a 1000 votes.

      Yes, she will feel consequences, but your defeatist attitude sure doesn't seem to help.  If we all talked and thought thatt way, why would we even bother to try?

  •  It's so hard (3+ / 0-)
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    to stay together in the midst of this....my mind screams back and forth between perspectives...from Ghandi, to Che.

    group793662@groupsim.com for debate, complaint, BSing, venting, plotting planning, come on in.

    by GreenGeezer on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:17:37 AM PST

  •  mmmm, chili cheese fries. eom (2+ / 0-)
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    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

    by sancerre2001 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:17:41 AM PST

  •  not only are they not afraid of us (6+ / 0-)

    ..but, it seems to me, that one of the things that keeps emboldening these Republican'ts to continually seek to commit some of the most egregious and atrocious anti-human-rights actions is that they know how to play Democrats and progressives. They know how to first divide us (it's easy...let Obama get elected and then let the progressives divide themselves and then go in for the kill, for instance). They know that progressives are sometimes their own worst enemies in terms of their willingness to give up modest progress in exchange for certain positions that don't have enough support by elected officials to actually get passed. They know that
    if they can create the illusion of grassroots uprising, funding by anything but grassroots billionaires (i.e. the Koch brothers, etc.), they can continue to hookwink their way back into power. They also know that the mass media which they own are always willing to play into their own political narratives and framework, no matter how ludicrous it might be. But, most of all, they know they can always count on an extreme minority of radical right-wing extremists to be there for them further enabling them to get away with some of the most outrageous acts.

    •  Knowing this (2+ / 0-)
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      ..will inform our strategy against them. And we have to have one that includes but goes far beyond demonstrating.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:10:20 PM PST

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      •  absolutely... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...one of the achilles heels of the left is our inability to strategize beyond the current battle. On the other hand, the radical right wing of this country is brillian when it comes to development and implementation of long-term strategies that constantly give them more power than the strength of the electoral numbers. The right knows how to get and use power and is constantly developing and refining long-term strategies to do so. The left needs to organize themselves, and that means organizing themselves further than just the next election.

  •  I think you're right (4+ / 0-)
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    we've got to wrap our heads around the fact that we don't have leaders who plan for the common good; we have careerists who are out for themselves only-but it's worse than that. I don't think it's neglect of our well being, I think it's a competitive, winner-take-all movement.

    I think these people in power across the globe wish for as many of us to die as possible because they do know that natural resources are limited. The new normal is a ruling class that is actively out to steal every cent that belongs to us, take away any political or social system that protects the people and the common good and finally to kill us.

  •  See your point, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    Don't agree with your message so much.  You bury the lead under too much pessimism.  Pessimism is a poor rallying cray, as Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is to amply demonstrating.  Speaking of him...

    The fact that Scott Walker is not afraid of us, means nothing.  His sensory system is dead from the neck up.  He'd have to be smarter with a functional worldview to be afraid.  So as you say, set aside Wisconsin's legal battle and Scott Walker.

    Are he plutocrats afraid of anything?  Yes and no.  They are not too afraid, I expect, because eight and nine-figure lifestyles leave little reason for fear.  No matter the political outcome, life will be quite swell.

    So to the extent they do fear, what, if anything can we do to make them anxious.

    We, the people, can vote.  We can fucking vote.  That is the one thing they (sorta) fear.  It definitely annoys them.  So do unions, but mostly that is because unions represent votes.

    What America needs more than anything, is a consistent voter turnout in the 85% to 95% range.  Want quality leaders?  Get off your ass and vote.  And drag a neighbor along.

    •  It's not pessimism (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm just saying we have to look to the long game, and use ALL of our weapons over time. We may not make Walker bleed, even if we recall him. But we still have to recall him. The goal is to take our government back. And it will take a lot of time and discipline and persistence.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:07:30 PM PST

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    •  And also America needs to get rid of those (4+ / 0-)
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      damned touch-screen, no-paper-trail, no-way-to-recount, easily programmed, voting machines ALL manufactured and serviced by right-wing corporations.

      "Everyone is ignorant-but on different subjects." Will Rogers

      by Mayfly on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:04:23 PM PST

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  •  My problem with your post is... (5+ / 0-)

    that in constructing an impregnable fortress as "them" within the first part of your narrative, you contradict the intention of the second part. It is a classic disempowerment tactic: the "enemy" is beyond our reach. I (think that) I agree with your intentions, but am much more inclined to see permeability, ruptures, opportunities for takedown. Yes, indeed, it will be a long struggle, and is in an even longer line of struggle. Perhaps our greatest problem is a loss of history? The "long view" in America might be the most radical notion of all?!

  •  yeah, but we're not afraid of them either n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:28:43 AM PST

  •  Could it be that (1+ / 0-)
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    Homeland Security spent all that money to keep the Walker types safe while taking advantage of the rest of us?

  •  The key is to put a few of 'em (2+ / 0-)
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    in jail and hit 'em in the pocketbook.  Those are the only things that will hurt them.

    The first because they are actually gigantour wimps and the second because they love da money.

    We've got serious work to do. Health care and civil rights for all, please!

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:32:34 AM PST

  •  When in the course of human events...? (1+ / 0-)
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    Are we there yet?

  •  They fight dirty, and in their world, (2+ / 0-)
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    "the ends justify the means" is their philosophy, strategy, and morality.

  •  They pay no costs (5+ / 0-)

    they lie on tv all day, and no one makes them pay for it.  

    they treat working people like dogs and no one makes them pay.  

    the D leadership is not only spineless, they are without words that work.  In the past, one went out and told the elderly that the Rs want to take their medicare away.  When was the last time a D said that?  

    Face it, the D leadership is not helping and seems to have no intention of ever helping.  

    Youth lives by personality, age lives by calculation. -- Aristotle

    by not2plato on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 11:46:25 AM PST

  •  Be great if we could come up with a Long Game (7+ / 0-)

    By 'we' I mean more than Progressives. I mean public and private employees, funding, media, school boards, messaging and academia.

    It seems 'we' never go deep into a Long Game with strategy, savvy and tactics. All around us, we see the inviisible hand of right wing co-ordination and battle timing. Is it by accident that IN, MI, WI, FL, NH and now UT just happened to launch suddent pre-emptive anti-democratic moves in the same TWO weeks. And stuck to them even when unmasked and hated?

    Is it by accident that the elected thugs in each state are impervious to the howls of their constituents. As a Progressive, I am weary of the Reaction Game. Sick of protesting that which 'they' pulled off. We are not advancing a true agenda that is somehow synergized for effectiveness.

    If there was Progressive/Populist core movement - I"d help fund it and support it. Trouble is, it's all over the map, multi-focus, multi-factoral. We Progressives win our little goals -like taking the House in 2006. And the Congress and WH in 2008. But the Long Game of the hard right is focused on winning the war.

    •  Please write a diary (2+ / 0-)
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      This is really important.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:59:41 PM PST

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    •  the first step (2+ / 0-)
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      in the Long Game is not to accept their narrative, their hegemony, their claim that their ideology is not an ideology.  If you concede the narrative, the ideological hegemony, then no matter what programmatic slice, what small electoral victory you seem to have gained, you've actually lost ground, reinforced their hegemony  (which is what the Democratic party leadership does every. single. time. and leads to the endless cycle of recriminations)

      We must craft and stay true to, act constantly within, our own narrative that rejects the very foundational principles of theirs.  Those who undermine our narrative and seek to accommodate the dominant narrative are not and never will be any sort of friends or allies to our interests.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 03:08:21 PM PST

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  •  Sad but true. We need to amend the Constitution. (4+ / 0-)
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    We need to add amendments to the Constitution that will get the money out of politics, and define corporations as non-persons. But in the meantime "They should be afraid of us". They need constant cash flowing into there corporations to maintain the status quo. If we choose not to do business with them then they will have to spend their reserves to remain in business.

    Just look at Gandhi in India:

    First they laugh at you.
    Then they fight you.
    Then you win.

    England was not afraid of him either, but that changed. The only thing corporations fear is uncertainty and change.

  •  It (4+ / 0-)
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    took 30+ years for those that didn't want to open their eyes to the GOP plan to finally do so...it will take at least that long to turn it back around.  

    I am of the belief that the sleeping giant has indeed woken up, and that the DEMS will get their collective spine back and start fighting for what they truly believe in.

    This is the beginning, but we can't stop now...onward and upward.

    http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

  •  Messaging (4+ / 0-)

    Until the left learns how to use the media effectively, build their own messaging infrastructure, and learn how to frame the debate on their term, they will lose and lose and end up with less than what they wanted over and over again.

    •  We've got momentum now (1+ / 0-)
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      that we need to keep. But we have to step it up, and dig in for a long, long, fight.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:56:15 PM PST

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    •  Oceanstar: The protests in Madison have NOT been (3+ / 0-)
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      led or coordinated by any one group or "leader" on the left.  There has been no media strategy that I know of, no framing, no messaging, and little infrastructure. Other than for union members, who can sign up for bus rides, there is no website you can go to where they give out directions and coordinate things.

       This has come about as thousands of people have realized, seemingly almost all at once, that THEIR middle class lifestyle and the things they value, like state parsk and decent public education, are at risk.  How do we build on this seemingly spontaneous awakening?

      I am not saying that what you address doesn't matter, but it will not get us anywhere without the passion and new awareness I see all around me.  This is bottom up, not top down.  

  •  Just remember that only a few weeks ago (5+ / 0-)

    Hosni Mubarak didn't fear the Egyptian people.

    When people decide that they have had all they are going to take, that their rulers are no longer credible, they take matters into their own hands. That is core of the mass strike that is now circling the globe.

    What has been happening in North Africa and the Middle East has begun to happen in the US.

    If they had the brains that god gave squirrel, the capitalists would be terrified. However, its better for us that they don't and aren't. They will never know what hit them.

    We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

    by unclejohn on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:05:07 PM PST

    •  They were willing to die (1+ / 0-)
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      The protesters in Egypt were willing to die for their freedom, with the discipline to not raise a fist. When we are there, and all acting together, we will win.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:57:39 PM PST

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  •  Actually, they are afraid of us. (5+ / 0-)

    That is exactly what this has been about.   They are very afraid of us - that is why they have worked so very hard for decades to keep the majority of our fellow citizens from finding out what their real agenda is.  

    Obviously, they're not being nearly so circumspect at the moment.  But that's because they know people are figuring it out at long last.  That's why in state after state we see the smash-and-grab at work.

    No, this isn't a pep talk.   That doesn't mean they don't think they can nullify us.  Clearly they are convinced that they can.  They think their money will always trump our anger and their fear.  Who knows - they may even be right about that in the long run.

    They are afraid of us.  They will fight tooth and nail for that reason - you're absolutely right about that.  

    When you punch enough holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:22:41 PM PST

  •  Nothing short of a revolution will matter (1+ / 0-)
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    We've just LOST.  Period.  Unless Americans revolt against the Corp system, ala Egypt, then we will not retake power.  Pres Obama worked within the system (as a Pres is expected and desired to do--witness opinion polls) but that is a distant hope at best.  I think he's just out of his league.  Boner is a dick but he's an experienced dick.  Walker scored with a lucky shot and Dem's are badly wounded.  Maybe fatally.  We should have put Shrub and Dick on trial.  We should have passed Medicaire to 45.  We should have stood stronger.  Let's see how badly American middle-class wants it back.

    "Put on your high-heeled sneakers/it's Party time" - Steely Dan.

    by rainmanjr on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:28:49 PM PST

    •  Only if we surrender (2+ / 0-)
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      will we have lost. We have to keep fighting. But winning in a significant way could be a long way off. Dig in for the long haul.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:55:17 PM PST

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      •  We wont do it by argument. (1+ / 0-)
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        Or until Gen X and younger take power away from those over Gen X.  And those that I speak of are inclined to take it away ala Egypt.  That's their new template because it worked.  Get ready, America, a shitstorm is about to take place.

        "Put on your high-heeled sneakers/it's Party time" - Steely Dan.

        by rainmanjr on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 08:06:51 AM PST

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    •  When Jaruzelski declared martial law (6+ / 0-)

      it may have looked to most observers that Poland's Solidrnosc movement was finished.   Instead, dedicated disciplined, courageous and flexible leaders and activists went underground, where the organization changed form being a public trade union to a clandestine revolutionary movement.  And in the end, Solidarnosc triumphed, not only bringing down the Polish Communist state, but setting in motion the train of events that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union itself.

      Are the odds we are fighting so much greater than those faced by the Polish workers?   Resolute and flexible, class consciousness and social solidarity.  We can win.  Si se puede.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 03:02:19 PM PST

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  •  Go away you timid, trembling, defeatist (0+ / 0-)

    Why be so discouraging to the troops with this fear ridden blog.  Get to fighting or shut up !  If it weren't for sissy assed people like you fretting the strength of the other side and what they will do, our side would not have made so many concessions in the past.  

    As far as not being afraid, ask Gabielle Giffords if she would not be afraid to stand out in the open again without security and meet with her constituents.  Don't worry, Walker is fearful even though he doesn't show it.  He would have already
    used force if it were not for the pollitical fallout he would receive.  He is just your typical right wing fascist slime.

    What Walker and the rest of his vermin Republicans did is great for Democrats.  It doesn't matter that they are not afraid.  Neither was Mubarik afraid in Egypt, and where is he now?  Walker overreached big time and now will have to pay a political price for it.  The only thing that gives the other side power is timidity and cowardice on our side.

    •  Something tells me.. (5+ / 0-)
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      you didn't read this whole diary.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 12:53:52 PM PST

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    •  Calm, sustained, relentless (5+ / 0-)

      Embrace calm, sustained, relentless, individual  determination to withdraw every possible dollar that feeds corporate/governmental corruption. Purchase only what is truly needed.

      Question and reject all beliefs that equate materialism with success. Explore and adopt a lifestyle that embraces community sharing of resources, simple living, focus on building strong and ethical local government, build coalitions of neighbors to work for shared community/political goals.

      Change what we can, accept what we can't, then work around it, over it and under it. Tap into the wisdom of elders who knew how to live well with very little, for so long.

      Stop defending the damned walls that have been erected by those who benefit the most from keeping us at each others throats. We just can't afford this crap anymore if we're all going to make it. We have to have each others backs.

      Fight off fear and doubts with faith in the power of good human beings gathered together for common cause.

      So what if our world doesn't end up being exactly as it was. Maybe how it was needed to be changed. Maybe we got so caught up in the propaganda we've been fed for so long, we've forgotten to question if it was even freakin' true?!

      I don't give a damn if the big shots are scared or not. I know they're gonna do their damndest to grab as much power and money as they can, no matter the cost to any of us or to the globe itself. I think it's too late to hope to change this.

      But by gawd damn, we have the power to choose to use our own creativity and intellect to design our own lives, within our own smaller circle of influence, and nobody can take that away.  

  •  Brilliantly stated (9+ / 0-)

    I live and work in Wisconsin.  I have been thinking exactly what you have said.  You put it far more pointedly than I could have.  The fact that the Republicans have no interest in the common good is plain as day and as sure as the sun will rise.  Walker is guaranteed million dollar salaries every year of his life (as lobbyist, think tanker, policy wonk) after he retires- or recalled.  

    But the thing with Walker is he doesn't even care about the money.  Walker is a pure ideological crusader.  To his core he believes what he is doing is right.  He wouldn't care if a million people surrounding the capitol in protest.  In one of his interviews he referred to lessons he learned from the bible.  Disciples of Jesus, he said, only failed when they lost their faith.  Peter, who was walking on water with Jesus, only sank when he had doubts.  Walker plans to walk on water.  He will entertain no doubt.  He will entertain no compromise!

  •  OFF GRID - Distributed Generation as activism (6+ / 0-)

    In a Neoliberal shaped world $=political power

    What is the biggest $ industry in the world? Energy generation and distribution. $8T per year.

    It would follow that the energy industry is shaping events domestically and in the international world order.  See the Koch bothers.

    whats the best way to undermine the $ power?

    Distributed energy generation. Instead of striking.  Why not push distributed generation as political activism.

    “One of Gandhi’s most important campaigns was to persuade Indians to wear only traditional Indian homespun garments, boycotting English imports.”

  •  Why would they be afraid? (1+ / 0-)
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    Our leaders are a bunch of pussies, too afraid to fight and too beholden to corporate America to taker a principled stand.

    So long as Obama, Reid and the bulk of congressional Dems stand largely silent, complacent or conciliatory, we haven't a chance in hell of whining this nor any other battle.

  •  "doesn't give a chili cheese fried fcuk" (1+ / 0-)
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    great coinage

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:05:32 PM PST

  •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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    for diary, people like Walker actually make us stronger, more united, pull us together in solidarity.  The more oppressed a group becomes the stronger the fight because it becomes about basic rights and survival.

    People like Walker don't care at all, you are so right on that point, but how empty a person must be to not respect the rights of others, and what he forgets is that if he is part of destroying democracy then there will come a time when he will not ever be free no matter how much he desires it because the corporations now own him and his soul.

  •  I Don't Give A Damn If The Right Wingers Are (4+ / 0-)

    afraid of us or not - progressives and labor need to continue this fight until we win. It won't be easy, but nothing worthwhile is EVER easy. Continue the protests, continue the recall elections, continue the legal manuvering to stop this toxic bill, continue boycotting businesses and industries supported by the Kochs, continue to stay put Fabulous 14. The labor movement of the 1930's wasn't cowed by armed thugs, and The Wagner Act was passed in 1935 to give collective bargaining rights to private sector unions. Public unions finally won collective bargaining rights in 1959 (Wisconsin was the first state to pass collective bargaining for public sector unions). Collective bargaining has allowed public sector workers to earn a decent middle class living, and it is DEFINITELY worth fighting for and the right thing to do!!

    •  That's it. (2+ / 0-)
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      We can't be discouraged by their well-positioned arrogance. We just have to keep pushing, and understand that any gain we make is a small one that has to be defended and improved upon, or they'll snatch it back. No retreat.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:36:50 PM PST

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  •  What they really fear (2+ / 0-)
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    is prison. Prison means losing everything and they have a lot to lose. Unlike ordinary criminals who pick pockets or steal cars, get caught and end up in pokey with their friends, white collar criminal really really hate the thought of prison. they feel the humiliation, the public shaming, the isolation, the loss of status, not to mention power.

    Send one rich man to prison and it puts the fear in all his friends who are breaking the same lows. Actually, the only class of villain deterred by a prison sentence is the wealthy class. For drug dealers, the threat of jail time is just a cost of doing business.

    To strike a winning blow in the class war, send banksters to prison. Demand that your state Attorney General enforce white collar criminal laws.

    We are on the brink of losing our democracy for the sake of keeping our empire. - Chalmers Johnson

    by mrobinson on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:08:37 PM PST

    •  They don't fear prison (3+ / 0-)
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      Republicans don't go to prison, unless they've pissed off their own. They go the way of Ken Lay (yes, I believe he's sipping a cocktail in Bahrain as we speak). But you're right, if we made some of them pay, then they'd all be afraid. But we'd have to shut down the government demanding action before they'd take any.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:34:50 PM PST

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  •  arrest a republican today! (1+ / 0-)
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    they don't fear us - yet. because we've always let them get away with their crimes.

    as soon as we start taking away their rights (for violating the rights of others) - take away their money, their homes, their livelihoods - impound, foreclose then sell off their regal estate properties - shove them into some crappy prison someplace, to live out lives like they always scoffed at...

    then they will fear us.

    as long as they have money, they have power. bankrupt them. --- the oil industry is a cancer that must be destroyed.

    by theChild on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:13:29 PM PST

  •  What about climate change (4+ / 0-)

    We don't have a lot of time for a long and protracted fight on that.  Yet that's where we are with that too.
     

  •  That is why boycott is the answer. (3+ / 0-)
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    If a tree falls in the forest and Fox News is there to report on it, will they blame the tree's death on Islamist jihad?

    by buckshot face on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 01:31:35 PM PST

  •  Endurance - such an important theme (6+ / 0-)

    It's never reasonable to think Americans know what's happening.

    Write LTEs, network, email because public education is the most enduring battle. And resist division.

  •  the DC Democrats are not afraid of us, (2+ / 0-)

    forget about the Republicans.

  •  Why would they be. (3+ / 0-)

    This is about money and private interests.  In the case of "money", wealth is so concentrated now that even if they have to wait us out and simply keep paying millions for campaigns and PR...they can do it.  They can just wait it out because they know they have more money, which results in a louder message, and they know that eventually, those of us with less money will get tired of screaming while they just keep pumping out money like the heavens pump out raindrops.  

    When it comes to private interests, Republicans don't care about the public good.  If they did, they wouldn't be so anti-government in the first place.  Their only concern is more power and control in private hands.  And they know that anyone can break something quickly and easily, but fixing it can take forever and sometimes can only be done by highly specialized and trained people.  So the come into office, do as much damage to "the public good' as they can, and then who cares if they never get elected agian.  They did their part and will be awarded a cushy right wing job from their wealthy buddies.

  •  Leadership is what we are missing (3+ / 0-)

    With the exception of Sanders, there is no one on the national stage with any intestinal fortitude.  The President just seems to have some agenda hidden from the rest of us.  Get reelected?  If he does not grow a pair very soon there will be no enthusiasm for voting for him again.  Where is the strong voice on the Dem side pointing out loudly and continually what is at stake in this country?  Democrats have left the playing field totally to the Rethugs and seem totally unwilling to engage.  Guess they think they can hang on and get reelected if they quickly and completely capitulate.  We need a Franklin Roosevelt telling Rethugs that he welcomes their hatred.  The truly depressing thing to me is not just the continual losses, but the total lack of fight.

    •  Politicians will follow (3+ / 0-)
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      ..not lead. We have leaders, but they aren't in office.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:16:31 PM PST

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    •  His "agenda" is to get reelected, (3+ / 0-)
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      keep helping his rich owners doners, and set up that cushy legacy with a nice presidential library and center, an Obama Institute, and fat book, speech and guest lecturer fees--and if everything aligns just right, maybe just maybe that lifetime SCOTUS appointment to cap his list of "accomplishments".

      He is a self-interested narcissist who pretended to be a progressive because he knew that was the only way he could get to where he is. Where it doesn't entail much political risk or cost (or sweat, as he's kind of a lazy person IMO), he will continue to do some moderately progressive things. But on the major issues of the day--i.e. the ones that his donors and/or his enemies care about and which are thus riskiest--he will continue to toe the establishment line and not change things meaningfully, if anything further solidifying them.

      Just because he wraps it all in a nice progressivey-sounding package doesn't actually make it progressive, just as Bush's calling himself a "Compassionate Conservative" make him either. We're seeing the same old same old bait and switch with Obama, this time with a lefty-flavor.

      Obama may be a coward, but that's not what's wrong with him. What's wrong with him is that he just doesn't care, as evidenced by his behavior.

      "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

      by kovie on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:46:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  We are the leaders (1+ / 0-)
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      the whole period of the Maximum Leader, the Unitary Executive, the Fuhrerprinzip, is over.  Society is becoming less like a pyramid and more like the web, diffuse and distributed.  In a distributed society, each of us has at least the opportunity to lead within our area of strength, of knowledge, of acumen, and probably the responsibility to do so.  To wait for some outside "leader" to decree what we should do  leaves us vulnerable to having precisely our own strengths stripped from us, our own knowledge and acumen rendered worthless.  We must deliberate amongst ourselves carefully, and then act resolutely.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

      by ActivistGuy on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:50:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I have made my Walker Voodoo Doll (0+ / 0-)

    I am sticking a pin in it right now

  •  why play a rigged game? (0+ / 0-)

    You have to wonder whether there's any point in participating if the system is so thoroughly corrupt and corrupting.  Maybe what the hippies used to call "dropping out" is the way to go.

    "How does it feel being fisted by the Invisible Hand, America?" - John Cole of Balloon Juice

    by Visceral on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:29:59 PM PST

    •  Read Gandhi and MLK (3+ / 0-)
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      We have to shut down their game--with demonstrations, by pulling our money out of their banks, (my opinion) with the help of hacktivists like Anonymous, with persistent, nonviolent noncooperation.

      And we have to have enough of us who are willing to die or get renditioned. Because that's how far these fascists will take it.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:54:04 PM PST

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  •  Walker is an arrogant bully (4+ / 0-)
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    How to defeat a bully?  Think of the obnoxious jerk on the playground -- arrogant, loud, hard-headed, and mean.  Walker is the worst of them.  How to crush this idiot instead of getting crushed?

    THAT is the question for all union people, all working class Americans.  We need to be smart, focused, and diligent.  We don't have the power of Walker, but we have the smarts.  

    We need to dog Walker everywhere he goes.  We need to bring down any bank or business that supported Walker.  We need to prove he is not worthy of the great state of Wisconsin.  Thanks to everyone for their hard work.  

  •  Well, at least we have Obama fighting for us (1+ / 0-)
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    All hail our Principled and Courageous Fighter for the Common Man!

    "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

    by kovie on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:36:12 PM PST

  •  Don't really agree with you on the.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...they don't really care no matter what.. if we win on recall(s) of state senators and assembly...if we win on recall of Gov and Lt Gov...that will hurt future state and national elections as well as give additional fire to incite momentum to [revise] whatever crap they have put on Wisconsin including undo no bid contracts for koch...imho

    Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

    by kalihikane on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 02:59:11 PM PST

    •  As individuals.. (2+ / 0-)
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      ..they aren't afraid, because all of their risks have been padded with endless money. I agree with you that if we achieve recall we'll have an important gain, but it just wins back the ground they just took. We'll be swimming at top speed to stay in the same place.  To actually gain ground, we can't just be reactive. We have to be willing to make big sacrifices.

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 03:13:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Understand you thought...but successful (3+ / 0-)

        actions such as recalls accomplished by Wisconsinites will promote future involvement in similar call-to-action needs of not only those involved now but many in the future. It will create a sense of pride and ownership that Demoracy is alive and this is how it works...through active participation...not sitting on the sidelines thinking someone else will do it.  Yes, I know sort of overly dramatic...but this is how it works when the "normal" process can't or won't do it. It worked back in the 60/70s, in  US, it worked in Soviet Union early 90s, etc., you get the picture...civil disobedience ...not taking no for an answer and persevere until we win.  We don't win by ourselves but by convincing the rest of WI...or enough of them...to win at the ballot box and the courts or a combination thereof.  Something like that..but if we don't believe in what we're doing then let's quit now and stay home and watch FauxNews feed us more crap.

        Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

        by kalihikane on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 10:14:08 PM PST

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  •  A very long struggle (2+ / 0-)
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    This will likely be a very long struggle.

    Are you kidding? When we're organizing the Andromeda Quadrant III Superluminary Transport Workers Union, they'll still be calling us Commies.

  •  Walker was on WTMJ radio today (3+ / 0-)
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    with rightwing neocon nutjob Charlie Sykes and he sounded almost giddy with satisfaction and relief. He attributed the protests to a "mostly out-of-state" force drummed up by the unions. He went on to call the protests as "part of the normal democratic process" and even implied empathy for some of them... but, he was predicting that this decision will be a "huge success for the state" and that in time, most of the people currently against this decision would be hard-pressed to disagree with him.  He also went on to say that the recall efforts will be an exercise in futility and by that the time anything is organized, most people will be talking about all the good things to come out of this bill.

  •  can someone please explain this (1+ / 0-)
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    to Rachel Maddow?

    I say this to inoculate us aginst discouragement when we gain 2 feet of ground and lose 3.

    No, she didn't jump the shark. She works for Teh CORPORATE. She does what she's told to do, if she wants to keep that job. Period.

    The other day, she was surely told to report that "We won". I don't know how she did it with a straight face-my God, she's not stupid. But there she was, spouting this inane fucking bullshit contrived meme.

    The better to discourage us. See, your words of "discouragement" don't dissuade me. In fact, I'm glad you wrote it, because that's exactly the way to piss me off and renew my vigor for fighting those who lie and cheat and steal every scrap of America and everything she ever stood for. Fuck them.

    REPEAL the Telecomm Act & REVIEW this decision. NO journalist should be fired because their boss can't have the truth told.

    by lunachickie on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 05:26:11 PM PST

  •  On the contrary I think they are very afraid.. (7+ / 0-)

    The Obama election shook them to the core. That Obama let up and did not press the attack is another matter.
    With the Presidency and control of both houses the democrats had a chance to restructure the entire economy and the republicans know it.

    Luckily for the republicans though the dems decided not to rock the boat. But the republicans will never forget how close they came to the abyss they hate the most -- Higher taxes to finance a credible social safety net including real health care.

    That's why they'll lie and cheat and do anything to win in 2012. That's what this is all about.
    People who are not afraid would not be engaged in all the silly antics they are doing.

  •  They may not fear us (4+ / 0-)
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    but we have forced them out into the open.  They feel they have gathered enough power to no longer hide their perfidy.  BUT, to bad for them, they believed their own made up press.  They believed their own lies.  That's the problem when you try to maintain the curtain over your crimes.  You can't see what's on the other side so you forget it exists.  You become bold.  But those on the other side, they will eventually see you for what you are when the curtain is pulled back.  It has been pulled back because they thought they were invincible.  Ha, the jokes on them.  They may not fear us now, but they will, they will.

    Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will. Mark Twain

    by whoknu on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 06:30:23 PM PST

  •  Very good diary (1+ / 0-)
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    excellent in its plain truth...they dont care, and we must fight fire with fire....our goal should be to destroy the rightwing in america once and for all

  •  This is the best Walker diary (2+ / 0-)
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    and commentary yet.
    It's a long battle and we are picking up steam. The rubber has hit the road so let's see what we are made of.
    But prepare yourselves, it's along battle.

    Raise your children well.

    Wisconsin's New State Motto: DRAWROF

    by One bite at a time on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 08:13:31 PM PST

  •  I blame walker on Democratic "Leaders" who've (1+ / 0-)
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    been incompetent, at best, for 30+ years,

    and DLC-ish sell outs lying as compromisers for most of it.

    In 1980 when I was 20 I blamed my fellow citizens for staying home, OR, for listening to that fascist lackey raygun and his lies.

    While we the complacency deserve a LOT of blame for being pissed on, shit on, beaten

    AND running off to Junk-Mart to buy more shit we don't need -

    a LOT of people have been paid really really well over the decades to be part of the cast of rotating villains, while claiming to be on the side of we the peee-ons.

    The opportunity to fight for progress for all, and the opportunity to beat our wealth into opportunity and security for all

    those opportunities have been pissed away by over and over and over, again and again and again

    on the good days.

    Part of the long fight is to STOP voting for fucking sell outs.

    IF the sell outs BELIEVE they're NOT sell outs,
    IF the sell outs BELIEVE they're representing the majority,

    THEN let the independently swinging moderately centrists doorbell, phonebank, and leaflet.

    rmm.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 08:30:39 PM PST

  •  Things can change quickly (2+ / 0-)
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    When the pressure starts to build, it seems as if you are getting nowhere and then it all changes. Things can change quickly. They ultra wealthy will fight us every step of the way, but there are more of us than them. Vigilance.

    Impossible is nothing

    by DrSpike on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 08:43:12 PM PST

  •  Bingo. False bravado gains us nothing. (1+ / 0-)
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    These are our darkest hours and we need to face that stark reality. We don't know if we will get America back. Right now, the odds look pretty long.  

    The founders never anticipated elected officials who would make their primary task to deconstruct the government these revolutionary intellectuals created.

    I think some of us though are thinking more about actually fighting than watching from the sidelines now. I know I am.

    British Petroleum: I think that means it's foreign oil.

    by Bensdad on Fri Mar 11, 2011 at 09:29:22 PM PST

  •  Keep up the pressure (3+ / 0-)

    The GOP will crack and shatter sooner than later.  For the GOP has sold its soul to the devil and the devil will soon throw the damaged goods into a hell of its own making.  

    Republicans like Scott Walker are bringing way too much bad press to the  likes of the Koch suckers.

    In Texas parents, school children and teachers from all over the state will rally in Austin tomorrow.  Buses will arrive from cities as far away as El Paso, a 10 hour one way drive to the state capitol.  I'd say that is more than a tiny commitment to public schools and children.

    Houston will be there.  And then some.

    Rick Perry will most likely hole up and hide in his 10K monthly tax payer  funded welfare mansion tomorrow.  I guess he'll be hiding under his bed, sucking this thumb, while reading his taxpayer subsidized wine and fine food magazines.

  •  This.... (1+ / 0-)
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    is a profound observation:

    These are made men. Like all Republican tools, they have no place to fail but up.

    And very true.

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Sat Mar 12, 2011 at 01:10:07 AM PST

  •  Why not protest at Limbaugh's... (2+ / 0-)
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