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If the past decade plus didn't answer that question, after 9/11, as well as the one about our 'freedoms', because you didn't pay attention to what's done in your names over the decades, maybe these very recent news reports will jog that overwhelming arrogance and total apathy embedded in the minds of this country.

A friend of american christianity is back in the news.

Adding to the recruitment by more then just the actions within the occupations and wars of choice, the ongoing hateful actions and rhetoric. The fear from within under the guise of 'religious?' ideology followed by the hateful and intolerant. But this 'preacher?', and those like him, the rehadists (R), aren't 'fighting them over there' nor anywhere, those we send over and over are!!

21 March 2011 - A controversial US evangelical preacher oversaw the burning of a copy of the Koran in a small Florida church after finding the Muslim holy book "guilty" of crimes.

The burning was carried out by pastor Wayne Sapp under the supervision of Terry Jones, who last September drew sweeping condemnation over his plan to ignite a pile of Korans on the anniversary of September 11, 2001 attacks.

Sunday's event was presented as a trial of the book in which the Koran was found "guilty" and "executed."

The jury deliberated for about eight minutes. The book, which had been soaking for an hour in kerosene, was put in a metal tray in the center of the church, and Sapp started the fire with a barbecue lighter.

The book burned for around 10 minutes while some onlookers posed for photos.  {continued}

This a**hole, and those like him, know that by doing these actions and using the speak they do will garner contributions as they make themselves infamous, Blood Money gained on the Deaths and Maimings of our Soldiers sent and the Civilian populations within. This is american christianity 21st century, under the rehadist (R) mentality!

Watch for more on this, maybe, but coming from overseas and especially media outlets in that region.

US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed with photos of murdered civilians
Commanders brace for backlash of anti-US sentiment that could be more damaging than after the Abu Ghraib scandal

The Afghanistan 'kill team' photos of murdered civilians could be more damaging than those from Abu Ghraib, say NATO commanders. Photograph: AP

21 March 2011 - Commanders in Afghanistan are bracing themselves for possible riots and public fury triggered by the publication of "trophy" photographs of US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.

Senior officials at Nato's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul have compared the pictures published by the German news weekly Der Spiegel to the images of US soldiers abusing prisoners in Abu Ghraib in Iraq which sparked waves of anti-US protests around the world.

They fear that the pictures could be even more damaging as they show the aftermath of the deliberate murders of Afghan civilians by a rogue US Stryker tank unit that operated in the southern province of Kandahar last year.

Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse. {continued}

We have another phrase spoken every year but by fewer people: "We shall never forget!". Well believe me, tens of millions will never forget the previous decade that is still ongoing, they lived it, especially the children who survived and grew up within, some of them now fighting the occupation forces still in their country and region.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

    by jimstaro on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 04:13:31 AM PDT

  •  The truth is (1+ / 0-)
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    we don't know how the international community views us right now.

    After supporting (by opinion) the Egyptian middle class in overthrowing their dictator, and now supporting the little people in Libya in taking down the guy who blew up the airliner over Lockerby and then convinced Great Britain to release the guy he paid to do it ... after showing our hand that some of us truly are behind the best interests of ordinary people no matter where they are ... I suspect that view is in a state of flux right now.

    And making any declarations about how bad this will be for our PR is just speculative and inciteful and utterly wiithout merit.

    I'm not afraid of guns! I'm afraid of the people that obsess over owning them.

    by Detroit Mark on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 04:55:14 AM PDT

    •  We Don't???? (5+ / 0-)
      we don't know how the international community views us right now

      You may not, but suggest you spend more time away from just one or two sites, like this, and really get the message. It's all over the place!

      By the way, it's also greatly affecting our economy, think about that!

      CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

      by jimstaro on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:08:13 AM PDT

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      •  Darn (2+ / 0-)
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        I thought you were going to dispute me by making a case.

        Rather than just make "your moms basement" epithets about how little I get out.

        I'm not afraid of guns! I'm afraid of the people that obsess over owning them.

        by Detroit Mark on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:12:11 AM PDT

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        •  I was in Europe last fall (7+ / 0-)

          And the people I spoke to who were from all over the world seemed to think we were gullible and selfish. If anything they seemed to think Glen Beck and the Teaparty represented most US Citizen views. Granted, these opinions are anecdotal but you seemed dismissive of references to other media sources. But I will say that to me individually the people I spoke with were friendly. Most interesting to me was the (yes) universal support for President Obama. Having recently traveled over large parts of Central and South America I found essentially the same opinions. Other than speaking to foreign nationals from the Mideast I don't have ant firsthand knowledge. But what I do know is that there is absolutely no way short of alternate media sources and seeking out the information yourself to know what other parts of the world think about the US. But separate from that I know how I would feel if my family and communities were subject to atrocities by a foreign government. And how long it would take me to forget. And the one thing I know for a fact from meeting and getting to know people from other countries is that they love their family, friends and communities with the same ferocity that I do.

          •  Where as (5+ / 0-)
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            People all over once pretty much liked us, the people, even if they couldn't stand many who were tourists in their countries, but didn't like what our government was doing, and we mostly didn't pay attention, they now pretty much lump us in with our governments actions, and that was clearly made the previous decade and has only grown not diminished!

            CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

            by jimstaro on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:42:18 AM PDT

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            •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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              The difference seems to be the Beck/Teaparty/Coulter/Palin crazy stuff.  That gets a lot of play in the international press and makes the rest of us look like fools.  So the separation between us as individual citizens and our government (like I used to see 20 years ago) seems to be disappearing.  My opinion is that when people see the stupidity, greed and selfishness of that crowd they no longer have the inclination to give us the benefit of the doubt.

              •  Speaking of Beck/teaparty/Palin stuff (1+ / 0-)
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                Here is a little thought from the other side of the aisle concerning the Stryker Team, ala FR.

                To: driftdiver

                YAWN! I dont really care...good for our guys, Im sure whomever they strung up and gutted, deserved it.

                3 posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 8:40:04 AM by DeathBeforeDishonor1


                Some how his comment compared to his screen name makes for quite the dichotomy of thought.
              •  Oh dear. We need to let the world know (0+ / 0-)

                that we are NOT mostly teapartiers and we are NOT backing the MIC's abuses.

                Not sure how to do this short of Wisconsin-sized protests.  Are those being reported abroad?  I hope?

                Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

                by neroden on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:50:44 AM PDT

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        •  Read (0+ / 0-)

          "I wrote, 'Dear Western governments. You have been supporting the regime that was oppressing us for 30 years. Please don't get involved now. We don't need you.' " - Wael Ghonim 13 Feb. 2011

          While you sit at the daily kos whining!

          You apparently seem to think that the burning of Korans, the decades long hate rhetoric by many here, not pointed at a few but at a whole religious ideology and the people of, is a just a big Ha Ha and seen by others as same!!

          Your reply sounds and reads just like that rhetoric and by those making, and you follow up with a childish remark proving the point further!!

          You're a Great Example of that good ole US arrogance and apathy!!!

          CCR:"If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It's a slow process for accountability, but we keep going."

          by jimstaro on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:39:21 AM PDT

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          •  Ok so now you've basically (1+ / 0-)
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            accused me of supporting the burning of Q'urans.  Laughing at Muslim hate.  And I'm to blame for US arrogance and apathy.

            I used to think you were a serious writer.

            Now you're starting to read like a common blogger.

            I'm not afraid of guns! I'm afraid of the people that obsess over owning them.

            by Detroit Mark on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 06:22:05 AM PDT

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    •  correction (1+ / 0-)
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      You dont know the truth about how the international community views us.

      They, being the international  communities certainly do.

      Bad is never good until worse happens

      by dark daze on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 08:30:15 AM PDT

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  •  Seems to me (3+ / 0-)
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    that these atrocities should be prosecuted loudly and punished appropriately.  A few heads at the top should roll as well.

    These crimes also need to be in the face of America if we are ever going to become any better than we are now.  The worst possible thing we could do is try to keep this from the public eye.

    Thanks.

    Fools are the teachers of the wise. It is foolish to disrespect one's teachers. - Old Man

    by A Voice on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:12:05 AM PDT

    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      that the people behind the torturing during the Bush years should go to prison.

      Comparing that to us slowing down Ghadafi so the people can get in and take him down (which is what this diary is about) is just careless, stupid, short sighted and pandering.

      I'm not afraid of guns! I'm afraid of the people that obsess over owning them.

      by Detroit Mark on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 05:18:27 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't see that as the point of the diary. (1+ / 0-)
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        However, I agree with your initial point that our (at least moral) support in the mideast and some of our other international initiatives have garnered more respect for our President than our past President.  I'm just not sure our country as a whole gets the benefit.  Especially while the rest of the world believes we disrespect him everyday by asking to see his birth certificate and voting in Teaparty candidates that have nothing but disdain for this President.  Our tepid support of an internationally popular President also affects how the rest of the world views Americans.

        •  Is that up to date? (0+ / 0-)

          I mean, some of the tepidness of support is due to Obama's continuation of Bush policies.  I swear that's being reported abroad, it's often the only place I can find it reported.  I would hope they'd start giving us some credit for that....

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Mon Mar 21, 2011 at 07:52:25 AM PDT

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          •  This past fall was the last time I was abroad (1+ / 0-)
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            And then I found pretty much universal support for President Obama and some real ridicule for the lack of support for him.  So I really don't know about current events in the Mideast.  But maybe their expectations about what he would or could accomplish were lower to start with.  After all, they understand that he still represents the United States mindset and may govern their expectations accordingly.  I didn't hear any criticism of people who criticized the President for failing to live up to expectations so much as ridicule for birthers, etc.  And I agree about the tepidness being due to real policy failures.  I just think (at least last fall) people were more willing to look at his incremental progress rather than his failures.  In fact, I think they tend to give us support for even the most minimal steps forward.  One discussion likened the US to the big, dumb, bully in the schoolyard.  You can't ignore him or fight him because he's too dangerous.  So you just have to encourage him everytime he plays fairly and hope he learns that it is fun to play with others.

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