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The terrible pictures and continuing news coverage coming from Japan since the devastating earthquake and tsunami almost three weeks ago have reminded many Americans about the dangers of nuclear reactors.

Today, more and more Americans are realizing that nuclear power should not have a part to play in the United States' energy future. Nuclear reactors are neither safe nor clean, and they are so economically risky that Wall Street refuses to finance them, forcing the risk onto American taxpayers. It is time to call for an end to this unsafe, poorly regulated and prohibitively expensive technology.

Nuclear proponents' claims that the industry is clean and safe miss the mark. It takes tons of fossil fuels to mine and transport uranium, leading to about 250,000 tons of CO2 each year during a 1,250 MW plant's lifetime. And, studies show that uranium miners in the American Southwest were exposed to radon 220, a radioactive gas, and as many as one in five developed lung cancer. A current proposal by a private company, Virginia Uranium, to mine in Pittsylvania County in southeast Virginia, overturning the Commonwealth's 30-year ban on uranium mining, has drawn opposition from residents downstream who rely on the Roanoke River Basin for drinking water.

It does not take a natural disaster to cause a nuclear crisis, and the United States is no stranger to these dangers. Three Mile Island is only the most famous example. According to a recent report by the Union of Concerned Scientists, in 2010 alone, mechanical, electrical and human errors caused "near-misses" at reactors in Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia. That list only includes events that caused plants to shut down, not "routine" safety concerns like the aging drain pipes at the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant that were leaking radioactive tritium into the groundwater. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission allowed Vermont Yankee to continue operating for two weeks while workers searched for the source of the leak.

Possibly even more dangerous than the threats posed by reactors, there is still no way to safely dispose of spent fuel and other nuclear waste, which can remain dangerously radioactive for tens of thousands of years. In an LA Times op-ed last week, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Energy for National Security and the Environment Robert Alvarez summarized a report he cowrote in 2003, which concluded that a fire in a spent fuel pool could do more damage than the Chernobyl disaster, potentially even leaving an area about half the size of New Jersey permanently uninhabitable. Yet, the NRC tried to ignore the report, and spent fuel pools are still spread across the country, including at Indian Point, just 38 miles from New York City. Although reports are shaky, NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko told Congress that he believed there was no water in one of the spent fuel pools at Fukushima, and it is possible that there have been fires in one or more of the pools there in the past weeks, greatly increasing the possibility that there will be major long-term health effects from the damaged reactor.

Transparency issues haunt the industry and its regulators. In 2007, candidate Obama told a New Hampshire newspaper editorial board that the NRC had "become captive of the industries that it regulates." The cozy relationship can be clearly seen in the license renewal of the Vermont Yankee plant. Despite the tritium leaks and an overwhelming vote in the Vermont State Senate to close the plant, the NRC announced that it would renew Vermont Yankee's operating license for twenty additional years on March 10 -- the day before the earthquake in Japan. The NRC immediately backed off that decision, but then on March 25, just days after announcing a 90-day review of all nuclear plants, it confirmed the license renewal. It's hard to believe that the NRC will seriously review any nuclear plant when it is so willing to rubber stamp a leaking relic like Vermont Yankee.

The only safe nuclear reactor for our planet is 93 million miles away: the sun. Though, however clear and real the safety concerns are here in the U.S. and in Japan, the massive costs and economic risks of new reactor construction are just as daunting.

Wall Street investors, the same financial daredevils who invested so heavily in subprime mortgages, balk at the risks of nuclear reactor construction. Reactors cost billions of dollars and require many years to build, so with the nuclear industry's track record of defaulting on loans, the private sector sees nuclear construction as an unwise investment. As former NRC member Peter Bradford explained, trying to use nuclear power to meet America's energy needs is like using "caviar to fight world hunger." In recent years, trying to make nuclear construction viable in the United States, the federal government has stepped in to fill the financing gap. Subsidies include accident insurance, a production tax credit, accelerated depreciation, and the Title XVII bailout guarantee program, which could provide billions of dollars in bailouts to the riskiest projects.

Friends of the Earth has created a comprehensive factsheet detailing the risks of these preemptive bailouts. In 2007, Michael J. Wallace, then executive vice president of Constellation Energy, told the New York Times that "Without loan guarantees we will not build nuclear power plants." The guarantees work like a parent co-signing on a teenager's first credit card. Like teenagers, companies that build nuclear reactors are terrifyingly likely to default on their loans. The Congressional Budget Office estimated in 2003 that the risk of default on a nuclear construction loan guarantee is "very high -- well above 50 percent." The Department of Energy charges a nominal fee which is supposed to cover potential losses, but because it makes the federal program more expensive than private sector loans, DOE ends up covering only projects that are too risky to receive private financing. It is not surprising that the Congressional Research Service expects the taxpayers to "bear most of the risk, facing potentially large losses."

A month before the earthquake in Japan, the Union of Concerned Scientists released a report on nuclear subsidies, and found that in some cases, "buying power on the open market and giving it away for free would have been less costly than subsidizing the construction and operation of nuclear power plants." The UCS report and Friends of the Earth's own Green Scissors report advocate for doing away with nuclear subsidies entirely.

In the wake of Japan's nuclear crisis, those financial risks became even clearer. Wall Street analysts have downgraded nuclear power companies, increasing the chances that they will need U.S. taxpayers to finance future projects if new reactors are built. Economic considerations alone are enough reason to stop subsidies for new reactors, but with safety and transparency concerns, it is clear that the time has come to end nuclear power in the United States.

I hope you will join me in taking action to phase out nuclear power today.

Originally posted to Erich Pica on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 12:08 PM PDT.

Also republished by DK GreenRoots and Nuclear Free DK.

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  •  The smart money disagrees with you (3+ / 1-)
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    Name                       Last Price  52 Wk L        52 Wk H
    Dynegy Inc. (DYN)     5.67     2.76     7.05
    Ameren Corporation (AEE)     28.26     23.09     29.89
    PPL Corporation (PPL)     25.222     23.75     28.80
    EXELON CORP (EXC)     41.49     37.24     45.10
    Industry: Utilities     30.989     20.46     32.25
    Sector: Utilities     27.81     22.13     29.13

    If you lose your disc or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

    by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 12:25:47 PM PDT

    •  Not necessarily. (11+ / 0-)

      That's only 'smart' in suggesting they feel the 'pro-nuke' folks have more money and political clout than the 'anti-nuke' folks.

      It says absolutely nothing about whether or not nuclear is good policy for the country, only whether or not they can buy off enough politicians to make it profitable to continue to hold the stock.

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      smart money.

      Nice guys finish last. Nice guys shouldn't race.

      by A Voice on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 12:47:43 PM PDT

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    •  Who still thinks Wall Street is "smart" money? (6+ / 0-)

      On the Monday after the earthquake, Reuters reported "Standard and Poor's warned clients that the risk of cancellations or delays for existing and future nuclear projects has increased as a result of the situation in Japan."

      Check out the list of financial analysts' quotes Erich linked to above (here, if you don't want to scroll). It's amazing to see how many in the financial sector have doubts about nuclear power's viability.

      •  crap (1+ / 0-)
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        Radical def

        shoot...  literally

        Only the govt will ultimately have the resources to implement and manage it, just as they are discovering in Japan.

        Fortunately, we live in a dual democracy- or unfortunately.

        “The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway” ~ Henry Boye~

        by Terranova0 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 02:37:54 PM PDT

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    •  your data doesn't mean (6+ / 0-)

      what you seem to think it means.
      comparing your stocks to the S&P since 3/30/2010:
      DYN, PPL, EXC have badly underperformed
      AEE has underperformed

      Scientific Materialism debunked here

      by wilderness voice on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 01:13:25 PM PDT

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    •  had to laugh (5+ / 0-)

      when I heard our latest advances in Nuke Power include "passive cooling"  ...

      Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't that method been around for, oh, THOUSANDS of years?

      Leaping forward by stepping back. I do like that aspect.

      On the up side, also caught a soundbite or two on a new application of Hydro-power. They use the natural river current to turn turbines to create power. My dad was toying with turbine energy/wind energy before he died, he suggested something along these lines at least 20 years ago (he was a bubblehead).

      There are viable alternatives. It's time to tell the widgetmongers to go fly a kite.

      “The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway” ~ Henry Boye~

      by Terranova0 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 02:05:52 PM PDT

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    •  fuck the "smart money" (6+ / 0-)

      It matters not one wit if 99% of the people on the planet were pro-nuke. . .it's still an idiotic idea and all your little graph proves is that sometimes the "smart money" aint very smart at all.

    •  Take your Chamber spam elsewhere, why don't ya? (0+ / 0-)

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:22:28 PM PDT

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      •  Stop HR'ing people you disagree with! (4+ / 0-)

        How do we report this lunatic?

        •  Stop avoiding the real issues, just because (0+ / 0-)

          you've got NOTHING to support your "position", except ad hominem jive.

          Also, please note, despite our disagreement, I have not HR'd you, or anyone else, beyond the initial lying bullshit posts, which were advancing standard industry/Chamber/PR hack "talking points".

          I suggest you "report" to the Chamber of Commerce, about what a pathetic FAIL your butt-hurt posturing outrage is.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 08:15:04 PM PDT

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      •  HR Abuse (4+ / 0-)

        I'm not exactly a nukester, and I've got their stu[pid HRs to show for it. HRs are terribly abused here. If you disagree, fine. But HR? That's too far.

        •  Well, I only HR the more heinous lies, slurs (0+ / 0-)

          And I don't use donuts as a cudgel, to attack those I'm arguing with, heh.

          Unlike this unprincipled gang of subjective, lying nuke advocates, who do, in fact tend to HR mere disagreement, and to engage in all kinds of hysterical hyperbolic persiflage, rather than to even try to address actual points raised....

          Like, in this case, the actual facts of the matter, as to whether we "need" moar nukes, to cure cancer, lol.

          Indeed, rather than even try to prove their "point" (which, alas, is not possible), they instead tend to posture outrageously, trying to bully, threatening to punish for challenging their bullshit, and slinging truly abusive, illegitimate HR's in subjective retaliation.

          Oh well.  

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 06:28:27 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, Horseshit (1+ / 0-)
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            This crapola happens all the time here. DK would be so much better if so many people weren't ready to turn it into a junior high school. If they're lying, by all means say so. But HR-ing their comment is a petty coward's way.

            •  so...it's OK to call me a petty coward... (0+ / 0-)

              even though I'm still here, willing and able to take the heat for my remarks, and to contend for my position?

              So...should I HR your jive ass for such an ad hominem slur?

              Yes, this crapola happens all the time here, and it Would be better if the trolls either grew up, or got booted...but, oh well.

              Personally, I'm far less concerned about personal slanders against me, per se, actually, than the real points of address, which the ad hominems are usually deployed to avoid discussing, heh...

              You want to make it all about me?

              I'm more concerned about the human genome, and life on earth.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:10:31 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry About That Insult (1+ / 0-)
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                Meant to slam the behavior, not you. But come on. HR-ing comments because you disagree with them is b.s. and you know it.

                •  Actually, as I recall... (0+ / 0-)

                  bringing standard, recognizable, common right wing "talking points" has, in fact, long been eligible for HR.

                  It's not about allowing for "disagreement" with "opinions"...

                  It's about not allowing the venue to be overrun with obvious right wing attacks, propaganda and misinformation...such as the nuke advocates tend to bring.

                  But since there's no more moderation, and mojo has been tweaked to give donuts virtually no impact on a person's TU status, anyway, unless they get a huge shitload of them, evidently, it now seems to be practically "anything goes".

                  As you have pointed out, unprincipled, truly egregious and abusive HR's have pretty much become the norm here anymore, and the trolling is proliferating.

                  I have no intention of stooping to that level, but, on the other hand, I see no reason to be shy about using the donuts whenever it seems appropriate, to chastise blatant lying right wing bullshit.

                   

                  Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

                  by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 09:40:22 PM PDT

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                  •  Please provide the link (0+ / 0-)
                    bringing standard, recognizable, common right wing "talking points" has, in fact, long been eligible for HR.

                    If that's the case, I'll backtrack. If you check my comment history, you'll see that I recently backtracked in a different situation where I thought there was HR abuse.

                    Please also let me know what the definition of "standard right wing talking points" is, for purposes of applying an HR. I'm not interested in your idiosyncratic opinion, but in pre-established DK rules on the issue. Thanks.

                    •  I don't know of any "pre-established rules" (0+ / 0-)

                      There's only the FAQ, and various more or less nebulous, sometimes contradictory opinions that various admins have occasionally articulated, I think, and a previous "moderation" practice that seemed fairly arbitrary and capricious.

                      And it seems like pretty much a whole new ball game, now, with no more moderation, and tweaks to the mojo rendering donuts virtually harmless.

                      The way these guys here are screaming like stuck pigs over a relatively painless, ineffective HR, you'd think I was the freakin' troll, bringing the heinous canards, rather than them, lol.  That's how they roll. All hyperbole.  

                      The proliferation of trolls of all stripes has pretty much made this the wild wild west, seems to me, since they could care less about rules, or any kind of principles.

                      In case you haven't noticed, for example, this is no longer a blog about electing more better Democrats, so much, but has become pretty much all about ruthlessly, mercilessly slagging Obama and "teh Dems", heh.

                      I use considerable restrain with HR's, and have no desire to "abuse" them, nor to stoop to the level of the trolls...but neither do I think it's acceptable to just let them swamp the site and run amok, either, without at least throwing a donut at them when it seems appropriate.

                      Willing to be informed otherwise, as you say, with some documentation, especially...but just because some fool screams bloody murder over a well deserved HR, and their like-minded posse agrees, does not convince me that I'm in error here.

                      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

                      by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 11:10:42 PM PDT

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                      •  DK As Junior High School (1+ / 0-)
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                        SpamNunn

                        This place can drive a sane person nuts. It's just full of conformity and cliques of petty enforcers who are permissive toward their friends, legalistic with their adversaries, and totally out to lunch.

                        Don't one of them. The answer to free speech shouldn't be an HR. It should be more free speech. I've gotten a series of bullshit HRs from a clique here, so I'm on the lookout for this crap. Don't care where it comes from.

                        My motto is this: A single standard for everything. You HRd stuff because it was "right wing." Well look, I'm as far from a wingnut as it gets, but I don't go for the chloroform blanket.

          •  Have another beer. (0+ / 0-)

            If you lose your disc or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

            by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:05:39 PM PDT

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            •  "shmart money is on nukes, I'm tellin' ya!" (0+ / 0-)

              ...buuurp...

              I'll pass. You go ahead and drink up, maybe it will put you to sleep.

              When you wake up, your money will be gone, as somebody has already pointed out in response to your lies.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:33:45 PM PDT

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      •  Bite me. (0+ / 0-)

        You can't stop me from expressing my opinion.  

        If you lose your disc or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

        by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:03:49 PM PDT

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        •  Bite your own goddamn self... (0+ / 0-)

          If I could stop you from "expressing" your lying "opinion", I would, but I can't, so I gave you a donut instead.  

          Big fucking deal.  

          The more you whine about it, the gladder I am, heh.

          If you had said "I like nukes, and I think I'll invest in them, even though the prospects are declining precipitously, and unlikely to improve any time soon, especially under the present circumstances", I would have just ridiculed you, as a fool.

          But, instead, you lied your ass off, deliberately, or, carelessly, trying to spread misinformation and confuse a very important issue, which deserves the harshest rebuke I have available, an HR.

          Live with it...or not, lol.  

          Or, change your practice...

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:53:49 PM PDT

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    •  Profit before People.... (0+ / 0-)

      how very Libertarian/Randian of you.

  •  Paradoxically...almost all of the material needed (8+ / 2-)

    to treat cancer patients using Nuclear Medicine come from nuclear reactors.  

    If you shut down all the nuclear reactors in the world, many people would die needlessly.

    Canada's own nuclear reactors (there are few) cannot supply the demand for material needed by doctors in the field of Nuclear Medicine.

    •  Actually, "nuclear medicine" is the paradox... (2+ / 0-)
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      While "need" for nuclear medicine materials HAS, indeed, been a common argument for the "need" for nuclear power plants, it's just another corporate LIE.

      WHY do you inject this Chamber of Commerce propaganda into discussion here?

      A very small proportion of cancer treatment uses radioactive materials, and those methods are being phased out.

      Meanwhile, nuclear medicine materials do NOT have to be produced by reactors.  

      Cyclotrons and linear accelerators are two alternative technologies.

      The Canadian government has, in fact, decided to move to these non-reactor methods, for producing nuclear medicine materials.

      There are also very substantial hazards surrounding "nuclear medicine", at all stages and levels of production, use and disposal of the materials.

      Fact Sheet: "Nuclear Medicine"

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 03:56:10 PM PDT

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      •  Why did you HR my comment? (0+ / 0-)

        This is not a CHAMBER of COMMERCE comment....it was on the fucking CBC.

        Take off your HR.

        •  A lie is a lie. (0+ / 0-)

          You don't want HR's?  

          Don't bring industry/Chamber/media lies

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:47:26 PM PDT

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          •  Read the FAQ...you are abusing the HR (5+ / 0-)

            Not just on me...but on numerous people all over this blog.

            I am discussing a legitimate issue raised by CBC Canada...not the fucking Chamber of Commerce.

            Knock it off!

            http://www.cbc.ca/...

            •  Your source confirms my position... (0+ / 0-)

              ...that there are alternatives, and nukes are not "necessary".

              Which makes the premise of your initial comment, as stated, a lie.

              A fairly decent article, btw, in that the reporter at least did some research on the topic...

              If you had bothered to read it all the way through, rather than to merely seize on the common false industry/Chamber/PR hack meme, to falsely convey a "need" for nuclear power, then perhaps you would have presented it differently...giving you the benefit of the doubt...

              But your subjectivity in the face of effective refutation of your position, which is even contained in your own citation, does not convince, in that regard.

              Blithely throwing out bullshit, just to see what might stick on the walls of peoples' minds, to deliberately confuse and misinform, is just too typical of Chamber propaganda technique...

              So...if you want to avoid being called a hack, you should avoid emulating that technique.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 05:32:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  Why do you (1+ / 0-)
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        have to exercise HR abuse and then write a bullshite comment?  I'm uprating David's comment -- which is accurate and being abused by someone who likes to throw out the shill crap.

        " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 05:26:10 PM PDT

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        •  Says the nuke power shill, lol... (0+ / 0-)

          Please...if people don't want to be considered hacks, they should quit bringing such typical Chamber/industry/PR jive.

          Even rounding up your hack nuke advocate posse, to HR the shit out of me, will not make your position any more credible, lol...indeed, it just confirms the unprincipled subjectivity of your position.

          And since I have effectively refuted the premise of the initial comment, up-rating it will just make your subjectivity all the more obvious, and eligible for HR, as well.

          So take your "shite" and stuff it...somewhere else.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 06:05:00 PM PDT

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    •  Uprated for HR Abuse n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Uprated for HR abuse (0+ / 0-)

      by someone who can't make an argument without throwing out a corporate shill accusation.  

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 05:27:21 PM PDT

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    •  Uprated for HR abuse (0+ / 0-)

      If you lose your disc or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

      by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 07:06:52 PM PDT

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  •  another relevant diary (1+ / 0-)
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    icemilkcoffee

    Radiation Risk Model Shows 120,000 Cases of Cancer in Tokyo

    Scientific Materialism debunked here

    by wilderness voice on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 01:19:52 PM PDT

  •  Selective information for the win. (4+ / 1-)
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    Nuclear proponents' claims that the industry is clean and safe miss the mark. It takes tons of fossil fuels to mine and transport uranium, leading to about 250,000 tons of CO2 each year during a 1,250 MW plant's lifetime.
    Nuclear power has more than just a little greenhouse gas attached to it, when mining uranium ore, refining and enriching fuel, building the plant, and operating it are included. A big 1,250 megawatt plant produces the equivalent of 250,000 tons of carbon dioxide a year during its life, Dr. Fritsche says.

    That's still much less than coal-fired power plants and natural-gas turbines. It even does better than solar power and small-scale hydro projects.

    •  If only nuclear wasn't so dangerous and pricey(nt) (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Yeah, "if only"... (0+ / 0-)

        i'm no freakin' Luddite, not necessarily "against" pursuing further R&D on nuclear power, per se...

        I just think they should take it off planet, until they really do figure out how to make it safe "enough" to convince a majority of environmental scientists, biologists, doctors, etc.

        And by then, I think we will have already rolled out a whole new green paradigm, and will thus "need" it even less than we do (don't) now.

        But that's cool.  If and when they come up with really safe nukes, out there in space, or on the back side of the moon, then we can use them to explore the universe, or for terraforming, or something.

        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:21:20 PM PDT

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    •  Does better than solar. . .? (5+ / 0-)

      . . .and small scale hydro? Common fucking sence would tell you that's complete total bullshit not even worthy of discussion, so patently absurd it is.

      •  there are (4+ / 0-)

        lots of factors to consider, but even with their 'advancements' I think Nuke Power is too risky. We haven't even been civilized for as long as that muck will sit there poisoning us.  

        We have to take the conservation of resources seriously. We have to do more with less.  It's all been said before... it's time for the ride to end.

        “The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway” ~ Henry Boye~

        by Terranova0 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 02:52:40 PM PDT

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    •  "selective" for the "win", indeed...on YOUR part (1+ / 0-)
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      Cumulative pollution and contamination, all things considered, especially considering the highly likely potentials for catastrophic failure, beyond any human capability for environmental restoration, for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years...not to mention god only knows how many mutations and deaths...just no comparison.

      To say that nuclear power is "even better" in this regard than solar or small scale hydro is just...an outrageous, scurrilous lie, which only an unabashed Chamber of Commerce hack would bring...a profound insult to the intelligence of any thinking person.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:11:37 PM PDT

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      •  Stop abusing the HR...read the FAQ. (3+ / 0-)
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        •  This goes beyond mere "disagreement" (0+ / 0-)

          ...or "opinion", to the issue of deliberately bringing lying canards, to support a right wing Chamber of Commerce/industry line that threatens the human genome, and all life on earth.

          Take your freakin' demands elsewhere, and/or stop supporting outrageous bullshit.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:54:01 PM PDT

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          •  You are a complete nutter. (0+ / 0-)
          •  you do know you're not supposed to HR people (2+ / 0-)
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            you are arguing with, right?

            If you Hr, you must leave the arguments and/or insults, to others. If  you argue and/or insult, you must leave the HR's to others.

            Otherwise you are HR'able yourownself.

             

            I guess teaching children isn't quite as much work as, say, sucking on cigars and yapping into a microphone. ~APA Guy

            by denig on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 05:09:43 PM PDT

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          •  HEY: that's not what the HIDE button is for (3+ / 0-)
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            Radical def: It's ok to spout lying crap or bringing lying canards or whatever, and it's NOT ok to hit the hide button for that.

            If it's outrageous bullshit from a poisoned mind, just call it that, but nothing I've seen you HR could be construed as a personal attack or insult, so YOU are wrong.

            If someone's wrong just say why.

            If they result to a bunch of personal insults and are incapable of an adult discussion, go ahead and HR them.

            I think you're making metajesus cry.

            •  I miss meta jesus. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              I guess teaching children isn't quite as much work as, say, sucking on cigars and yapping into a microphone. ~APA Guy

              by denig on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 06:31:32 PM PDT

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            •  Well, actually... (0+ / 0-)

              I disagree in some regards.  I see no reason to let blatant lies go by with impunity, especially when it's a typical right wing talking point.

              And I'm very conservative, actually, in my use of HR's, which are never directed at anyone I'm already arguing with, or just because I have argued with them previously, or merely "disagree" with their perspective.

              I do try to use HRs in a principled manner, but find that no matter how I do so, they usually tend to elicit extremely subjective negative reactions, because those who say the kind of outrageous shit that really deserves an HR do tend to be unprincipled trolls, after all, lol.

              Like in this thread...I HR'd comments that say 1) we "need" nukes to cure cancer (which I refuted, with documentation, including the commenter's own citation, lol) and 2) nukes are less polluting than solar or small hydro.

              C'mon...why should I let that shit slide?  I would ban them for that, if I could.  But I can't, so I throw a harmless, virtually no-impact donut.  Big freakin' deal.

              But they get all freaked out and aggro, and want to raise a shitstorm of protest, to try to get ME banned, for calling them on a verrry typical jive ass industry/Chamber/PR hack propaganda line, lol.

              Go figure...

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 06:57:59 PM PDT

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            •  awww... (0+ / 0-)

              Photobucket

              It's my understanding that HR's are about more than just personal insults.  

              Right wing "talking points" are also eligible, which should include Chamber/industry/PR hack nuke advocacy line, seems to me.

              Besides, since we no longer have any moderation, and proliferating unprincipled trolls refuse to comply with "rules" anyway, I see no reason to refrain from giving them the grief they so richly deserve.

              I have no intention or desire to stoop to their level, but when they bring some jive lying bullshit, they should expect to eat donuts.

              if you have some current specific documented reference, besides the nebulous old FAQ, I'd be glad to look at it, though.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 10:29:49 PM PDT

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  •  Are We Closer to Tech Breakthroughs on Alt NRG (1+ / 0-)
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    that would allow us to transition to them in the next 10 years than we were to the technology necessary to go to the moon when Kennedy said we'd land there before the decade was out?  

    Throw our cap over the fence (again.)

    We'll find a way to get there.  

    We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

    by Into The Woods on Wed Mar 30, 2011 at 04:20:25 PM PDT

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