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There are lots of big tough words coming out of our friends in the Tea Party these days, especially when it comes to the permissible functions of the Federal Government.

”If it’s not specifically enumerated in the Constitution,” they say, “It must be a function of the States—and the 10th Amendment says so!”

None are tougher in their language than those living in the States located below the old Mason-Dixon line—and by an amazing coincidence, just this weekend pretty much all of those States got a bit of a “gut check” in the form of dozens of tornados that slammed into the area.

So we’re going to put the Tea Party philosophy to the test today, and see just what exactly the Federal Government should—and should not—be doing to fulfill the Tea Party vision and to help those folks who were hit by this particular natural disaster.

“…For that was not true; his attitude was not to be explained by greed, or at any rate by greed alone, but rather by the touchiness which his great labors and their complete unsuccess had bred in him.”

--From the story The Village School Master [The Giant Mole], by Franz Kafka

Stories often begin by setting the terms of the discussion; that will be true today, and the framework for where we’ll start is Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution, which is the “unless it’s enumerated…” part of the Tea Party argument:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

OK…so, let’s talk about “who’s who” in this little drama (for the record, this won’t be a complete list of events or people; it’s just a sample for the purposes of discussion):

Arkansas had tornados Friday night; seven people died (five of those from winds not attributable to a tornado), and according to “The Post and Courier” of Charleston, SC, there had been three days of warnings from the National Weather Service before this particular weather event.

The paper also reports that Oklahoma, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Mississippi were hit.

North Carolina was hit with as many as 62 tornados over the weekend, with at least 22 dead.

In Virginia, Saturday, a 12-mile swath of Gloucester County was severely damaged, with a total of 5 dead in the Commonwealth.

North Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi have declared a State of Emergency, so has Virginia. Oklahoma has been under one State of Emergency due to wildfires since March, a second Emergency was declared over the weekend, and Federal assistance was again requested by Governor Mary Fallin to help make things better.

To keep this to a reasonable length, we’re going to drill in on three States, and three Governors; those States are Virginia, Alabama, and Oklahoma.

Alabama’s new Governor, Robert Benchley, is one of those “enumerated powers” kind of guys, in fact, he signed The 10th Amendment Pledge; the parts which concern us here read as follows:

The phrase, “General Welfare,” in Article I, Section 8 does not authorize Congress to enact any laws it claims are in the “General Welfare” of the United States.  The phrase sets forth the requirement that all laws passed by Congress in Pursuance of the enumerated powers of the Constitution shall also be in the General Welfare of the United States…

… I do, and will continue to, oppose any and all efforts by the federal government to act beyond its Constitutional authority.

Let’s move on: the Tenth Amendment Center is proud of Oklahoma’s Mary Fallin for turning down the Federal grant to set up the State’s “Obamacare” insurance exchange (officially part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act [PPACA]) on 10th Amendment grounds—and she would also want you to know that:

“…I believe, as I know many of our legislators and the majority of our citizens do, that the PPACA is unconstitutional, fatally flawed and ultimately harmful to our economy and the health of our citizens…”

And then there’s Virginia:

Gov. Bob McDonnell on Friday drew cheers from the tea party crowd as he announced support for a “Repeal Amendment” to the Constitution.

 “There has been a bi-partisan trampling of that federal compact of the 10th Amendment,” said McDonnell as he spoke at the Virginia Tea Party Patriots Convention in Richmond.

 A “Repeal Amendment” was proposed last month by House Speaker Del. Bill Howell, R- Fredericksburg. The amendment to the U.S. Constitution would allow a federal act to be over-turned if two-thirds of state legislatures voted against it. Such an act would sway power to state legislatures, and is a popular concept in tea party circles.

 When the panel moderator asked McDonnell is he would support such an amendment, he replied “yes.”

And now it’s disaster time, and these Governors are looking for disaster help…but they have a very particular view of how the Federal Government and the States ought to relate to each other…so… at this moment of urgency, just what precisely are the specifically enumerated powers that the Federal Government has at our disposal for disaster relief?

Well, according to my quick re-reading of Article 1, Section 8, that would be exactly…no power at all, except to act in case of insurrection, to try any Federal criminal offenses that might occur, and to repair any Federal docks or other needful Buildings.

(You’ll note I did not say “try and punish” any Federal criminal offenses. That’s because there’s nothing I can see in Article 1, Section 8 about Federal prisons.)

I don’t see anything in there about the National Weather Service, either, so from now on, if a State wants to know if a tornado’s coming, I guess they better pony up the cash and start themselves a State Weather Service, or buy the forecasting and warning services from a private contractor.

(This could be good for the economy, by the way: forecasting the weather requires satellites, and if every State that believes in self-reliance each launches their own satellite constellations…that’s some jobs, right there.)

FEMA? In the view of those who truly understand, it’s unconstitutional on its face, and, therefore, the Governors shouldn’t be looking to them for help.

The loans that businesses and citizens rely on to get back on their feet? Show me the “enumerated” language that permits those activities, because I can’t find it.

Grants to States to cover their extraordinary expenses? I don’t see anything authorizing such activities, and with that in mind…I don’t think so.

According to the “purist” view, the 10th Amendment requires all of this to be handled by the States, not the Federal Government; that’s why, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why these Governors weren’t thinking about disaster planning from the start of their terms.

Why weren’t these supposedly self-reliant States ready when this happened?

I mean, each of these States already has an emergency management department, and I’m sure they can manage much better locally than the Feds (or at least they claim they can), so why are they even asking for Federal help in the first place?

How is it possible that these Governors never considered that protecting the citizens of their States would be “Job 1”, to steal a phrase, and, to make a moral point, why should the rest of us be bailing them out now?

I mean, hey: you told us these were State problems, and now you have problems, and you still have States, so you know what?

Live up to your words: get all “10th Amendment-y”, and suck it up, and deal with it yourselves.

That’s what you told us you wanted, when you were Full Of Big Campaign Talk, so now do it, Governors, and stop all that crying and whimpering to us for outside help, and go make that 10th Amendment work for you.

Show us how much better local control is than when the Giant Hand Of The Federal Government Tells You What To Do.

Be the self-reliant Brawny Men that you were in your campaign ads.

And I’d pose the same challenge to anyone who voted for these Governors:

Remember how you all cheered when your candidates told you Government wasn’t the solution; that it was, instead, the problem?

If you really believed that, then what in the world are you doing asking for the Federal Government’s help now?

After all, you said you wanted Government “off your back”, and “the Government that governs best governs least”, right, so why would you want Government in your faces at a time when you’re trying your hardest just to get back on your feet?

Why aren’t you (and I’m thinking specifically of you, Tri-Corner Hat Patriot Guys) demanding that the Federal Government stay out of this and leave the States alone?

And it’s only fair: there was no tornado in California this weekend, so why should Californians pay taxes for your disaster?

And remember how adamant you were, just a couple of weeks ago, that the budget cuts associated with those Continuing Budget Resolutions weren’t deep enough?

Well, how are we supposed to make the kind of budget cuts y’all wanted on the Federal side when you’re coming around here demanding more money?

We have a deficit, remember, and we can’t be spending money we don’t have—and even if we had the money, we couldn’t spend it on helping you, because, as you all recall, there’s nothing specifically in the Constitution to allow it.

This is your problem, Constitutional purists, and, according to your own logic, it’s not ours…so if you want your roads and schools fixed, ask your citizens to volunteer to do the work or something.

Since we can no longer help you, maybe the Red Cross or some other private charity could fund the rebuilding of your communities.

Since so many conservatives believe corporate and religious philanthropy will fill in the gaps in the shrinking “social safety net”, you could try asking churches and private industry to do the work for you as a community service; I’m sure they’ll jump right in and pick up all the slack.

Hey: you were the ones full of tough talk last November, my Tea Party friends, and now it’s 10th Amendment “gut check” time, and I want to see you live up to your own words, if you have the “man pants” to do it…or I want you to see you acknowledge that this was all a giant load of hooey.

That maybe there’s a place for a United States of America, that maybe there is such a thing as “general Welfare”…or maybe even that being a 10th Amendment purist might be great down at the ol’ Heritage Foundation when you’re hustling for campaign money, but that once the big winds start blowing, ideology ain’t worth spit compared to a system of weather radars and satellites and a FEMA that will come and bail your butt out if it all goes wrong.

And if you voted for one of these clowns…either you need to get smart, right now…or maybe we need to cut the cord.

Maybe you need to see what your own vision of “10th Amendment reality” is really all about.

Maybe, just as so many of you have demanded, we should mind our own Federal business and let local government govern best.

And if it doesn’t work out, then, maybe, you’ll wake up and realize that Ronald Reagan was wrong: sometimes Government is the only game in town, and when it’s not around, providing helpful solutions…that’s when you got real problems.

Originally posted to fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:21 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement and Three Star Kossacks.


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  •  i want you... (15+ / 0-) see something else today as well:

    here's a story, thanks to the fine folks at the hillbilly report, of how the salvation army in paducah, kentucky, is now giving out tents to homeless families; this because they're unable to provide shelter space.

    "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

    by fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:21:06 PM PDT

  •  I frankly think that the Federal government (8+ / 1-)

    should refuse to aid states who's governors and legislatures enact legislation or promulgate executive orders or decrees or who threaten to secede from the Union. Furthermore, I think that all Federal parks, military bases and the National Guards of these states should have their personnel withdrawn. Texas needs some help with the wildfires? Tell Gov. Goodhair to handle it himself, and BTW, we are pulling all our military bases out of your state. You are on your own.

    Frankly, I think it is time to get tough with the neo-secessionists. Really, really tough.

    Craft is what emerges when you hit inspiration over the head with a stick.

    by commonmass on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:52:32 PM PDT

    •  the only downside to that... (5+ / 0-) that, at the federal level, we're obligated to look after the interests of all americans, even those under the rule of the insane.

      ron paul gets a lot of traction out of proposing that you could "opt out" of government, paying a small tax and accepting no services in return--but what happens if you, not partaking of the services of the local zoning board, decide to build a oil refinery, nuclear power plant, and pesticide production facility, all next to my kid's school?

      "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

      by fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:59:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Paraphrasing Scripture... (7+ / 0-)

        'under the rule of the wicked - the people sigh.'  Then there's the other one... 'how long, oh Lord?'  Every time I have ever attended a rural water system organization meeting... the question was asked:  "How much money can we get in Federal grants?"  Sooner or later, the people will figure out that this is all political bullshit.  

              'Oh, Lord, hasten the day.'

        Rise Up! Still not thy voice - Slack not thy hand!

        by Arkieboy on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:08:25 PM PDT

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      •  Gotcha, but were I President (dog forbid) (5+ / 0-)

        I would take an override of the veto of the "birther" bill in Arizona as an act of secession, and do what I could, by executive order, to deny the state as many Federal services, military bases, etc, as legally possible.

        Elections have consequences.

        Craft is what emerges when you hit inspiration over the head with a stick.

        by commonmass on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:12:22 PM PDT

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        •  how about a compromise: (3+ / 0-)
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          Arkieboy, commonmass, RiaD

          "reservations" within the state where "patriots" could live--but only if they dispose of all their assets except one suitcase and all the guns and ammo you can wear going through the gate.

          and no interstate travel, either, for the "reserved" folks.

          think of it as an "escape from new york" kind of a situation.

          "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

          by fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:17:15 PM PDT

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        •  i should also mention... (3+ / 0-)
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          commonmass, Arkieboy, RiaD

          ...that there is a "third way":

          a governor can declare a disaster, and then request federal assistance...but the president is not legally obligated to respond to such a request.

          (example? there were two requests for federal assistance during the exxon valdez incident; only one actually resulted in a federal response.)

          now if i were really a "mercenary" president, and i was looking more to the short term than the long politically, i could "hardball" the dispatch of federal assistance and make a few demands at the same time ("well, i don't know, the budget, you know...maybe if we could get some concessions..."), much as house republicans are doing today with the issues they want.

          that could be politically toxic, however, and you only have to look at recent republican actions to really see why, so you gotta tread this water with exceptional care if you're willing to go there at all.

          "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

          by fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 03:30:23 PM PDT

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          •  your comment is as disgusting (3+ / 0-)
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            fake consultant, allergywoman, elziax

            as commanmass. your suggestion is not of the america or the political beliefs that the democrats or i hold.

            MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

            by edrie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 06:23:14 PM PDT

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            •  it should not be... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...the views of democrats, or anyone else, for that amtter.

              but it is something that "could be done", and as a result it bears discussion.

              you'll note that my own assessment of this idea is that it would be toxic for those who pursue such a strategy, and that republicans are being punished for doing essentially the same thing.

              "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

              by fake consultant on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 06:27:45 PM PDT

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              •  admit you made and error before (4+ / 0-)

                the hole gets deeper. this is NOT an option nor should it ever be one!

                when i see someone injured, ill or dying, i don't give a damn about who they voted for in the last election... i see a PERSON in need.


                that is why democrats carried republicans along kicking and screaming down the path for social security, medicare, social services, etc.

                it is what seperates us from those on the right.  got it?

                MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

                by edrie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 06:41:48 PM PDT

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                •  Yep, I got it. (3+ / 0-)

                  It separates us from the right alright. They win, and we lose. Because we are NICE. The high road, the one we Democrats take? There's a cliff at the end of that road. Get back to me in four years and tell me what a bad meanie I was.

                  BTW, snark aside, no hard feelings. I try my best in real life to be nice. In politics, I am the Democratic Grover Norquist. Someone has to be.

                  Craft is what emerges when you hit inspiration over the head with a stick.

                  by commonmass on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 07:34:58 PM PDT

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                  •  then perhaps you should rethink how you (3+ / 0-)
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                    express your "politics".  if i read your comment about letting people of the opposite political party suffer because of polical differences, then i would never hear anything else you said - no matter how vaulable.

                    i would be stuck on that comment. it permanently obscures any reasonable comment you might make in the future.

                    words matter.  use them with care.  your words belie your actions in real life.

                    no hard feelings - hope that you might rethink your use of an anonymous blog in reaching out to those who might venture here and are not privvy to the "playtime" that goes on.

                    MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

                    by edrie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 07:50:23 PM PDT

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                    •  If I am the only Kossack who has ever (3+ / 0-)

                      gotten hot under the collar, well, good heavens! I know what you are saying.

                      I'll put my tail between my legs on this one. But I am not going to be the martyr to the GOP just because I'm a nice guy. Obviously, you got that I am not a nice guy. I am a DEMOCRAT. It's all politics. All of it. As they say on the gambling boats in Louisiana, "you have to play to win".

                      Also, I have never made a reasonable comment. Ever.


                      Craft is what emerges when you hit inspiration over the head with a stick.

                      by commonmass on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 08:20:19 PM PDT

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                      •  perhaps it is time to start... (1+ / 0-)
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                        reason is what will win this "war" on stupidity that we face from those who are uneducated on the other side... not ridicule or demeaning or belittling.

                        talking to those who do not know - helping them understand - is the ONLY way to convince them to rethink their positions based on ignorance.

                        iggnorance can be cured.  stupidity, not so much!

                        so let's not fall into the trap of assuming that those who do not know will NEVEER know.  it is up to us to teach them, right?

                        MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

                        by edrie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 11:58:14 PM PDT

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                        •  ever had a kid? (2+ / 0-)
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                          tell me the truth: did it work perfectly when you tried to reason with 'em not to touch that hot thing...or was learning "enhanced" when they burned their fingers?

                          reason is great, but, sadly, it has its limits--and that's why, today, we still quote h.l. menken.

                          "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                          by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:52:42 AM PDT

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                          •  are you REALLY saying that we should (0+ / 0-)

                            allow adults to "suffer" to "teach them a lesson"?

                            if so, then we have nothing further to discuss with one another.

                            MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

                            by edrie on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 01:24:25 AM PDT

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                          •  again, you might... (1+ / 0-)
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                            Calamity Jean

                            ...want to ease it back before you jump to conclusions and cut folks out of your "conversational life".

                            what i'm actually saying is that reason, as much as we wish it would always work, sometimes doesn't.

                            that reason is not the only mechanism by which knowledge is transferred; that experience--sometimes hard experience--is also a highly effective teacher.

                            sometimes people don't learn things until they do something stupid, which then teaches them the lesson reason couldn't.

                            parents deal with this all the time, and i'm sure you can recall a few examples from your own personal experience where this kind of thing has played out, either for you personally, or for someone of your acquaintance.

                            that doesn't mean i want to punish someone to make a point--but it does mean that not only is reason not the only teacher, but i sometimes wish some of our most strident friends in the opposition would just touch the proverbial pot and get it over with, so that we could all move on with getting things done already.

                            i'm making this larger point because, if you ask me, we on the left often fail to understand just how limited the powers of reason can be when you're trying to persuade folks on the other side, or in the middle.

                            now before we go, i want to have a word with you about having "nothing further to discuss with one another..."

                            the phrase "finding common ground" is the essence of politics: you cannot move forward without coalitions, unless you're a king or something, and by definition that requires people who do not agree on some things to become allies on other things.

                            if you have "nothing further to discuss with one another" you are politically dead in the water, and you are guaranteed to lose pretty much every political battle you ever fight.

                            we talk to iran, as we seek to find a better way in the world, but to me you'll have nothing further to say?

                            that kind of "purity of thought" mindset is a contributing factor why we lost so much ground in the '10 midterms; it's also why we have that saying about how "the perfect is the enemy of the good".

                            you'll want to be careful about that "nothing further to say..." approach to life, because it really does end up hurting you over the long term.

                            "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                            by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:10:09 AM PDT

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                          •  one more word... (1+ / 0-)
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                            ...about dealing with those with whom you profoundly disagree:

                            a taoist would tell you that good and bad exist equally in all of us, and that it is our charge to find a way to deal with those things we like and dislike equally, with a sense of acceptance and humor.

                            you have to find a way, they would tell you, to keep to your own right path while acknowledging and accepting both the good and the bad that is everywhere present, and that that is the path to enlightenment.

                            i admire that kind of thinking, but it is extraordinarily difficult to practice in real life, and i suspect that's why there are so few buddhas walking amongst us on a daily basis.

                            "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                            by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:36:56 AM PDT

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                          •  Suffering is the best teacher. (2+ / 0-)
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                            fake consultant, Calamity Jean

                            That is just the truth. I am okay with the truth.

                            I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

                            by CherryTheTart on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:10:34 AM PDT

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                          •  i have to agree. (2+ / 0-)
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                            CherryTheTart, Calamity Jean

                            i wish it wasn't that way, but all too often, it just is.

                            "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                            by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:14:34 AM PDT

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                          •  it isn't the ONLY way to teach, (0+ / 0-)


                            and as for your fuller explanation, that would have been more productive than your simple statement that inferred the attitude of "they need to suffer to learn".

                            i believe in multiple ways of teaching... and having been a teacher and continuin to teach long past "classroom" days, i have to profoundly disagree with your either/or approach.

                            if that is not what you meant, then say it.

                            yes, suffering teaches -- but if i have the ability to prevent suffering AND teaching, that is the route i will and always have taken in the past.

                            taoist philosophy aside, we're talking real people who are and will suffer real harm if what you advocate is allowed to occur.

                            i go back to your original premise:  "don't give governmental aid to red states" so that they can "learn".

                            change that premise and we have room for discussion.

                            as it stands, that is why i am not interested in debating you.  you appear to be still defending that premise and i find it abhorrent in a civilized world.

                            MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

                            by edrie on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 02:45:43 PM PDT

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                    •  you know what? (2+ / 0-)
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                      CherryTheTart, Calamity Jean

                      you need to either ease it back a bit, or risk becoming that which you hope not to be: someone who races in, full of sound and fury, but someone who also lacks a sense of grace.

                      when you say something like "i would be stuck on that comment. it permanently obscures any reasonable comment you might make in the future..." or "if i read your comment about letting people of the opposite political party suffer because of polical differences, then i would never hear anything else you said - no matter how vaulable.", it does not rebound to your credit, and it suggests that we on the left are just as capable of being just as dogmatic as those we oppose.

                      i think we both grasp your concerns...but you need to understand a few things as well: one of those is that jesus ain't posting here, and as a result everyone you'll ever meet on these pages is suffering from some degree of imperfection; we live with that, and we accept that those around us are going to say and do things we might not always like, but we look past that and still treat people with kindness and respect.

                      it would also be to your advantage to realize how frustrated folks are around here when they are dealing with folks on the other side who are incredibly hypocritical about how government affects them and who don't seem to care even one little bit about who they hurt.

                      it s only human to want to give someone a taste of their own medicine when they are way out of line themselves, and when you tell someone that being human means you could never listen to them ever again...well, that's the exact textbook definition of a lack of grace, and that's something you might want to work on.

                      "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                      by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06:02 AM PDT

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                  •  let me just say... (2+ / 0-)
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                    Nowhere Man, Calamity Jean

                    ...that on this issue, i'm 100% on your side, and i'll raise you one: we are also quick to find offense in the things our allies do and say, and we sometimes are so quick to shut those folks out of our "loops" that we miss chances to join together and get things done--or to prevent things from happening that we don't like.

                    "...this election has never been about me. it's about you."--barack obama

                    by fake consultant on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 12:56:07 AM PDT

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    •  Yeppers... (3+ / 0-)
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      fake consultant, commonmass, RiaD

      Jindal did the same thing with the BP debacle.  Rail agin' it, till you need it.  Get your knee-pads out, big boy!  They make my 'butt want to dip snuff.'  

      Rise Up! Still not thy voice - Slack not thy hand!

      by Arkieboy on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 02:59:42 PM PDT

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    •  i think your comment is the most disgusting (1+ / 0-)
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      i've read on this site!

      MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

      by edrie on Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 06:21:21 PM PDT

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    •  What you're talking about (1+ / 0-)
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      fake consultant

      is "getting tough" with every citizen of the state to punish them for actions of their governor and legislatures.


      Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

      by Miniaussiefan on Wed Apr 20, 2011 at 05:01:36 AM PDT

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  •  I understand the political point being made, but (17+ / 0-)

    I strongly disagree with those who argue we shouldn't give aid to states who want the Federal government off their back. People who get hit by disasters cross the political spectrum from ultra-left to ultra-right, and everyone in between. Those who live in states unfortunate enough to have extreme-states-rights politicians shouldn't be punished for it.

  •  Whenever the tornado siren goes off around here (5+ / 0-)

    which seems to be often, I make a point of reminding people about that socialist siren that warned us to take cover.

    In Right Wing World, the warnings would be privatized, and sent only to paying customers.

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