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Cooks, drivers, senile men in their 80's, and 14 year old soldiers were "the worst of the worst" imprisoned indefinitely because they purportedly were a threat to America based on stories told by tortured prisoners who said anything they thought their captors wanted to hear. Because only one third of the boys and men taken to Gitmo were captured by American forces, questionable intelligence was used to detain two thirds of the imprisoned. The coerced "confessions" of 8 men was used to build "profiles" on 255 men. The so called intelligence "matrix" was a house of cards.

WASHINGTON — U.S. military intelligence assessing the threat of nearly 800 men held at Guantanamo in many cases used information from a small group of captives whose accounts now appear to be questionable, according to a McClatchy analysis of a trove of secret documents from the facility.

The allegations and observations of just eight detainees were used to help build cases against some 255 men at Guantanamo — roughly a third of all who passed through the prison. Yet the testimony of some of the eight was later questioned by Guantanamo analysts themselves, and the others were subjected to interrogation tactics that defense attorneys say amounted to torture and compromised the veracity of their information.
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Ibn al Shaykh al Libi, a Libyan, told CIA de-briefers in 2004 that he had earlier exaggerated his status in al Qaida because he thought that's what American interrogators wanted to hear. He also said that he fabricated connections between Iraq and al Qaida to avoid mistreatment or torture by Egyptian interrogators. Information from al Libi, thought to have been collected elsewhere, was cited in at least 38 of the Guantanamo files.

Zayn al Abidin Muhammad Husayn, a Saudi-born Palestinian who's known more widely as Abu Zubaydah, was cited in about 127 detainee files. His interrogations are reported to have included at least 83 instances of water boarding, and his attorney, Brent Mickum, recently told McClatchy that "he provided tremendous amounts of information that was worthless."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/...

A number of detainees apparently committed suicide after years of abuse and losing hope. Yasser Zahrani served as a cook for the Taliban. Despite his insignificance in the Taliban and his lack of threat to Americans, he was held for years while his mental health declined. His intel sheet said he was a high threat from a detention perspective. Like many prisoners who's punishment far exceeds his crime, Zahrani became oppositional. No details are given on his "suicide".

And now we are giving Bradley Manning the same treatment as Zahrani while Dick Cheney and George Bush collect large government retirement checks.


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    •  Gitmo has soured the world's view of US (12+ / 0-)

      this sad episode in American arrogance needs to end now. There needs to be an honest examination and we must be willing to indict the process that started this sort of detention and we need to apply penalties on the parties and policies that allowed this to ever happen.

      •  What we need, apparently, is for the Europeans to (6+ / 0-)

        grow a pair and force through international investigations and indictments, over the obvious diplomatic sabotage of such measures by the Obama Administration (thanks for that info, too, Wikileaks).

        Particularly galling -- once and yet again -- that Bradley Manning and Wikileaks are behind this airing of U.S. torture, while Manning is being tortured by the U.S.  

        Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbraith

        by Vtdblue on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:20:00 PM PDT

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        •  Trading Places (14+ / 0-)

          Gitmo is a terrible stain on the nation's legacy and contradicts its self-proclaimed belief in being a "nation of laws."


          Prison Signs by Adam Zyglis, Buffalo News, Buy this cartoon

        •  Oh not with the Manning "torture" BS again (1+ / 0-)
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          There are over 10,000 civilians still in solitary confinement in the United states prison system.

          I swear, people watched The Last Detail growing up, and think poor Bradley Manning is Larry Meadows.

          •  you keep repeating this (9+ / 0-)

            as though the horrors that befall other civilians in prison somehow excuses or legitimates the treatment that has befallen Manning.

            When George Bush was President, were you telling others to stop complaining about his administration's treatment of Guantanamo prisoners for the same reason?  Were you telling progressives to stop calling it torture, even though many of them faced the same exact conditions that Manning has?

            One of the 300 detainees presently held in these conditions is UK resident Shaker Aamer, who has been kept in solitary confinement in Camp Echo for more than a year and a half. He is reportedly confined to a small (six-feet by eight-feet), windowless cell with no natural light or fresh air. He is allowed only minimal opportunity for exercise and - apart from a Qu'ran - has no possessions.

            Mr Aamer, who has formerly acted as a camp negotiator and may be suffering harsh treatment as a consequence, was at one time denied any exercise outside of his cell for at least 64 consecutive days. He has also reportedly suffered beatings and harassment by camp guards, including having his clothes and mattress removed.

            The Red Cross, the only independent monitoring organisation allowed to inspect the detention facilities at Guantánamo, has described conditions at Camp Echo as 'extremely harsh'. Prisoners are kept in their windowless cells for 23 or 24 hours a day, and - in the absence of any natural light whatsoever - fluorescent lighting is kept on 24 hours a day. Meanwhile, Camp 6 has been described by one detainee as a 'dungeon above the ground'.

            Ask yourself this: If you were to complain about the treatment of a poor civilian prisoner in Texas, and then someone said that your concern wasn't valid because you didn't then use the opportunity to complain about Manning's detention, would you think that was okay?  I wouldn't.  I assume any person who cared about human rights and who was intellectually consistent would feel the same.

            •  Um, here's the problem (0+ / 0-)

              I was opposed the torture in overseas prisons.

              The torture stopped with Obama's EO.

              Now what do you do with all the people you collected during the Bush Administration.

              •  You're dreaming if you think the overseas torture (1+ / 0-)
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                has stopped. It's been driven underground, but still exists in Afghanistan (Bagram) and other locations farmed out to dictatorial regimes.  

                Perhaps the most egregious examples and methods have been reduced, but if the Obama admin. doesn't hesitate to torture an American citizen, why on earth would you think they wouldn't do a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" overseas -- as the military did with the now-infamous killer squads.

                Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbraith

                by Vtdblue on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 12:14:04 PM PDT

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          •  So the problem is 10,000 times greater (2+ / 0-)
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            than the other poster suggested, and you suggest sweeping it all under the rug (aka "Oh not with the . .. ")?

            That's bizarre.

        •  Not Europe: us. (3+ / 0-)

          Europe has neither the ability nor the desire to back that kind of thing up; you'd sooner see Bush turn himself in willingly.  The best you can hope for is that the public of various European countries ditch their own elected leaders in protest - but none will take any kind of action against American leaders.

          If there's going to be any kind of movement on Guantanamo it has to come from here, and frankly we can't seem to get nearly the amount of noise that the terror-terrified gin up for (what should be) non-issues like trying alleged 9/11 co-conspirators on U.S. soil.  The courts haven't been helpful either.  About the only thing we can hope for is that enough sunlight gets shined on this kind of thing that whatever pols still have some sense of shame will act on it.  

          Very few issues on which I'm as sadly cynical as this one.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 11:44:44 PM PDT

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          •  Disappointing. (3+ / 0-)
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            Some Europeans would love to try. At least the Guardian has been all over the story like a coat of paint for the last two days, including all the tacky letters the administration has written about the subject (see 3:47 PM), but until Americans rise up and demand an end to Guantanamo, it will fester along.
            MrSylvania said it was as if they decided not to liberate Bergen-Belsen because letting the prisoners out would embarrass the politicians.....and what could be done with all the people who had places to stay there?

          •  Spanish tried, but as Wikileaks discovered, they (1+ / 0-)
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            were stymied by the Obama administration in trying to investigate and charge Cheney and Bush and Co.  So they, many of them, DO have the "desire" to go after it.

            Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbraith

            by Vtdblue on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 12:22:58 PM PDT

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        •  heh. (0+ / 0-)

          That was a joke, right?

      •  Or simply confirmed the fears and suspicions (7+ / 0-)

        Of many millions around the world, including people in the United States.  Even the pretense of US moral leadership has become impossible.  

        Of course, any path to restoring the possibility of moral leadership begins with the law, which means it begins with the administration holding accountable the criminals who created the US system of gulags around the world, and the criminals who continue to sustain it.  Since that group of criminals now includes the administration, any restoration of moral credibility is a long, long way off for this country.

        If your issue is still Democrat vs. Republican, you've been punked by the Oligarchy.

        by MrJayTee on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:24:49 PM PDT

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    •  Tipped and Recced. (10+ / 0-)

      This perversion of justice, humanity, decency needs to be understood by everyone.

      Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S Truman

      by YucatanMan on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:23:47 PM PDT

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  •  Utter bullshit, in other words. Found Fathers and (6+ / 0-)

    Mothers rolling in their graves, yet again -- and especially because the only Party that might give a crap is colluding in the "extra-Constitutional" atrocities on 500 years of Western justice and jurisprudence. Other than that... honest mistakes, right?  :(

    Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbraith

    by Vtdblue on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:15:47 PM PDT

  •  Of all the horrid Dick Cheney wet dreams that (1+ / 0-)
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    President Obama reluctantly had to inherit, this one has to top list of horrors.

    "There's nothing in the dark that's not there when the lights are on" ~ Rod Serling

    by jwinIL14 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:16:22 PM PDT

  •  Yup, like the house of cards they built (15+ / 0-)

    against Murat Kurnaz, saying he was friend of a specific suicide bomber, all the way until Murat's lawyer, after years, found out who the "suicide bomber" was, and investigated and discovered that the person was still very much alive.

    So much pain, so much death, and it all could have been avoided ...

                  Standing for justice and accountability,
                                 For Dan,
                                 Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

    by Chacounne on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:22:12 PM PDT

  •  Bush's lost decade will rank amongst the worst... (3+ / 0-)
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    administrations in American history. I only hope and pray we're able to turn this decade around before it takes a similar path.  

    "Corporations have neither bodies to kick nor souls to damn." -- Andrew Jackson, 7th President of the United States

    by markthshark on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:34:15 PM PDT

    •  "before" it takes a similar path???? (0+ / 0-)

      Let's see - Gitmo still open for business, Bagram off limits, no habeas corpus, military tribunals, renditions still allowed, targeted assassinations by civialian CIA legal, strengthened "Patriot" Act, strengthened FISA, signing statements, government opaqueness, 3 wars, Afghanistan war to continue indefinitely, massive increase of unmanned drones, dramatic increase of military funding for  "over the horizon force projection" - no skin in the game - War by GameBoyTM.

       permanent presence in Iraq (5 military bases now called "fortified compounds", 2 "consulates", 2 "branch embassies", worlds largest embassy, privatized "security forces" operating military equipment including drones

      "Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq." — Obama's Blueprint for Change

      Feel free to add your own...

      •  Obama's only been there for a little over two... (0+ / 0-)

        years. This decade is not yet lost. I didn't say it'd be easy to turn it around but it's far from over.

        I only hope and pray we're able to turn this decade around before it takes a similar path.

        "Corporations have neither bodies to kick nor souls to damn." -- Andrew Jackson, 7th President of the United States

        by markthshark on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 04:30:33 PM PDT

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  •  When the Spanish Inquisition came to Yucatan, (16+ / 0-)

    Fray de Landa demanded that the Mayans confess their sins and disclose the existence of all known "idols" and books which were seen as "works of Satan" since the Spanish were unable to read them and the writing appeared ominous.

    Priests were forbidden to break the skin or cause bleeding, so devious tortures were devised. One of the most straight-forward was simply to tie a man's arms above his head, hoist him up, tie rocks to his feet and wait for the confession as the arms disjointed at the shoulders, sometimes at the elbows and wrists as well.  Or his hands would be tied behind his back and then his body hoisted by the wrists so that the arms rotated in their shoulder sockets, also becoming disjointed and leading to excruciating pain.

    A man may confess to knowing where two "idols" were hidden.  The priests refused to believe him and demanded to know more. Surely, he must know of more!

    Eventually, the number would go up and up and up, regardless of whether the man had any idea where any idols were hidden at all. But he would confess to having hidden 30 idols, 50 idols.

    Then, when released, the man was required to produce all the idols he had confessed to -- an impossible task, since he had confessed to things that didn't exist. Brutal competitions began among the Maya to raid their own temples, their graves, anywhere they could think of to avoid further torture. And when every clay, stone and wooden "idol" had been turned over, they began to pick up odd looking stones, rocks with holes in them, sooty rocks, quickly carved twigs, whatever they could imagine to meet their quota of "idols."

    Fray de Landa was gratified by the enormous pile he amassed and burned at the ancient healing city of Izamal.  But it was mostly phony trash. Nearly 500 years ago.

    So little changes over the years. You'd think education would help, but no. Zealots. Fools. Bigots. They always behave alike. The exact same methods of the Spanish Inquisition in Yucatan and it yielded the same worthless results.

    Torture produces nothing but answers which, it is hoped, will stop the torture.

    The more we know, the more intensely incompetent the Bush administration appears and the more inexcusable the lack of prosecutions.

    Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S Truman

    by YucatanMan on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 09:36:30 PM PDT

  •  and given Obama's comments a few days ago (10+ / 0-)

    that Bradley Manning "broke the law" -- even before a trial has taken place -- there's really no wonder why Cheney and Bush are collecting retirement checks while Manning suffers in prison.  Between Manning and Cheney/Bush, Obama has apparently decided that trial isn't necessary for any of them -- it's just that Manning is presumed guilty, and Cheney/Bush are presumed innocent.

  •  We gotta stop the war on terror. (5+ / 0-)

    We won't get justice, not unless the whole thing is thrown upside down, like happens in third world countries.  I don't think the conditions are anywhere near ripe for that, not with a two party divided country.  But the war on terror has to end sometime doesn't it?  This stuff is all because of the GWOT.

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 10:23:09 PM PDT

    •  Something, I don't what, will eventually (4+ / 0-)

      stop it, but everything was crafted so that it would never end.  It's even vaguer and more ill-defined than the War on Drugs, etc.  Rather than The War to End All Wars, it is The War to Perpetuate War.

      For those who serve the greater cause may make the cause serve them.... Murder in The Cathedral......T.S. Eliot

      by blueoasis on Mon Apr 25, 2011 at 10:43:06 PM PDT

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      •  at this point (5+ / 0-)

        it looks like government collapse will be the most likely thing that stops it. Expensive military misadventures are one of the traditional signs of an empire in decline.

        Once there isn't anything left to loot, the elites will go. And once the looting is complete, being a world power will be an unaffordable luxury for America. Actually, it already is, but the wars provide cover for looting by the oligarchy. Who don't care what happen to us.

        I suspect that we'll find out after Obama leaves the White House that he traded his chance to become one of America's greatest Presidents for a chance to join the oligarchy as a junior member.

        Peak Oil is NOW! Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 02:15:55 AM PDT

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  •  U.S. now imitating old USSR. (0+ / 0-)

    Stalin's NKVD secret police had quotas to fill, and anyway Stalin wanted to spread terror throughout society.  So they arrested a lot of people, mostly innocent, and tortured them until they confessed.  Not only did those confessions serve to justify the original arrests, they also provided the names of the people to be arrested next, to fulfill the next quota.

    The techniques of torture the U.S. used were the result of reverse-engineering the old SERE military traning program, which was supposed to train U.S. soldiers, sailors, and airmen to resist the torture their Communist enemies were using.  So the result of reverse-engineering that training was to resurrect those old Communist torture techniques.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 09:47:47 AM PDT

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