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So, you have your choice of headlines and polls. From Gallup, we have Americans Divided Over Ryan vs. Obama Deficit Plans, noting that Republicans love the Ryan plan, Democrats hate it and indies are split. What is also evident, though not in the headline, is that those making over 75K, whites, and those over 30 prefer Ryan, while 18-29, under 75K and non-whites prefer the Democratic/Obama alternative.

And from this, you might conclude the Ryan gamble is paying off. But not so fast. Check out:

Town Halls Gone Wild

House G.O.P. Members Face Voter Anger Over Budget

Medicare Plan puts GOP on Defensive

GOP lawmaker Dan Webster's town hall turns ugly

Republicans regroup on Medicare, budget plan

Anger Rising Over GOP Budget-Cut Plans

Add to that Greg Sargent:
Paul Ryan heckled by angry protestors: This will generate a lot of chatter today: According to WTMJ in Wisconsin, Ryan himself got a real earful at a town hall meeting from protestors who are furious over his proposal to end Medicare as we know it.

Seniors held up signs saying “hands off my Medicare,” and chanted that Ryan should “stop lying,” according to the report. Also note that Ryan was forced to leave in a different vehicle than he arrived in.

It's early in the process, and when low-information voters are given a choice between a GOP and a Dem alternative, it's easy to pick sides even if you don't know what's in the budget.

After you know? We'll see. But if you want examples of what the public does know, check out the GOP governors who represent the enaction of GOP principles. The latest to poll poorly once he implemented his program is PA's Tom Corbett.

Big Jump In Disapproval For Pennsylvania Governor, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Gov's Budget Unfair, Voters - Especially Women - Sayand if you want to know how the GOP responds to pressure, look no further than John Boehner.

So maybe it wasn’t the best timing in the world: Even as House Republicans face tough questions at their town hall meetings about Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan, Speaker John Boehner has given an interview in which he said Ryan’s plan was an idea “worthy of consideration” and that he wasn’t “wedded to it.”
Pity the poor Speaker. The more the public knows about GOP policies, the worse Republican leaders do with the public, from John Boehner on down.

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  •  The question is (4+ / 0-)

    are they happy with Democrat ideas....and the Democrat ideas are?

    Seriously - I'm not to sure where are party stands.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:22:37 PM PDT

    •  John Boehner is probably wishing (4+ / 0-)

      he were back on the golf course.

      I am perfectly clear where my Democratic congresswoman and senator stand. I'm not complaining.

      Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

      by anastasia p on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:26:17 PM PDT

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      •  He will be... (1+ / 0-)
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        sancerre2001

        ...sooner than he likes!

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:15:49 PM PDT

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      •  One Order of Democratic Ideas Coming Right Up (3+ / 0-)
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        sancerre2001, mon, PBen

        The House vote, the Senate vote and these townhall meetings will force the Republicans to go on the record with their Republican agenda of pushing ideas that most people oppose and refusing to even consider ideas that most people support.  

        That's all well and good, but we must go beyond focussing on their agenda, and take this opportunity to talk with the people about a budget that makes sense.  

        The Republicans frame this as a choice between unfettered spending resulting in astronomical debt or the responding to the unavoidable necessity and wisdom akin to Civil War surgery:  

        When it doubt,  cut it off.  
        Still in doubt, cut some more.    

        There's another choice, a choice that's favored by most of the people every time anyone bothers to ask.  

        It's a choice reflected in the philosophy of The People's Budget, put together by folks who listened.  

        The People's Budget*  

        Every element of The People's Budget  has strong public support.  
        Each element of The People's Budget represents a tested and successful approach to eliminating the deficit, stabilizing the debt, putting Americans back to work, and restoring our economic competiveness.

        Given the people's strong support of what it contains, the only barrier to enactment of the People's Budget is that the Very Serious People at the very top keep saying it could never be enacted.

        Perhaps that's because they hope it will never be enacted or perhaps it's because they've given up hope that anything this reasonable could be enacted.)    Either way, the Very Serious People are wrong (and should consider not taking themselves quite so seriously.)

        The more that the people hear about The People's Budget, the more they like it.  The more that objective experts see of The People's Budget, the more they like it too.

        Here's my personal list of just a few examples of why The People's Budget must be the starting place for the upcoming budget debates:

        Revenue:  

        * Raises taxes on millionaires and billionaires
        * Phases out the Bush tax cuts
        * Eliminates preferential tax deals for hedge fund managers
        * Imposes Financial  Reponsiblity Transaction Fee   on Wall Street Bankers and Traders for speculating in exotic financial wagers (similar to what UK has had for decades and the U.S. had prior to 1966. )
        * Taxes U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned (instead of allowing those big corporations to choose how many years to delay this tax.)

        Spending:

        * Ends the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP
        * Returns to post-cold war levels of military spending
        * Implements public option for health care to save on the costs of the health care exchanges in the ACA.
        * Repeals the Republican-supported ban on negotiating prescription drug prices for Medicare D and requires such cost-saving negotiations to occur.
        * Eliminates the subsidies for Big Oil and Nuclear Plants

        What It Achieves That the GOP Budget Does Not

        * Eliminates the deficit within one decade (by 2021)

        What It Doesn't Do That GOP Budget Will Do Unless We Stop It

        * Revoke Social Security by Treating 30 Years of Payroll Contributions as Nothing More Than Extra Taxes and by Walking Away from over $2.5 Trillion in Debt Owed to the Social Security Program Trust Fund as if it Never Existed
        * Ration Medicare (and give a windfall to private health insurance companies)
        * Slash Medicaid (including Nursing Home coverage)
        * Cut heating, housing and food stamp (S.N.A.P) assistance to the poor
        * Give another huge tax cut to the rich

        If like many of us, you support The People's Budget and oppose the GOP's Budget, you can find  more detail for the People's Budget Here.

        (*The People's Budget:  A Moderate Proposal From the US House of Representatives Progressive Caucus)

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:21:48 PM PDT

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    •  they want an improving economy and (2+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, sancerre2001

      ending the Bush tax cuts to help with the deficit, and they don't want to end Medicare as we know it, or privatize Social Security.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:41:46 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, but I'm not sure "they" want (0+ / 0-)

        Stay turned you may very well find that the dems go along with the reps. At least that's what I expect.

        Honesty pays, but it doesn't seem to pay enough to suit some people. Kin Hubbard

        by Mr Robert on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:25:15 PM PDT

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    •  Democrat ideas? (4+ / 0-)

      not to sure where are party stands?

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:47:35 PM PDT

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    •  Obama (5+ / 0-)

      has put out a plan that includes getting rid of the Bush tax cuts on the very wealthy, along with some cuts that should please Republicans: his plan would actually reduce the deficit without so seriously stressing those least able to bear the pain. But because it involves tax revenue, the tea baggers won't even talk about it.

      There is a democratic alternative, but it's getting no media oxygen.

    •  It is the DEMOCRATIC Party, (3+ / 0-)
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      farbuska, Betty Pinson, gneissgirl

      with Democratic ideas, not Democrat ideas.

      "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

      by sancerre2001 on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:55:46 PM PDT

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      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        We are a democracy - democratic ideas are that of the democracy.  

        I was referring to ideas of the Democrats...as compared to the Republicans.

        I think I know where most Democrat voters stand - not to sure where our Democrat elected officials stand.

        I keep reading where they want to aboloish Bush tax cuts - yet for all the majorities our Democrats had - they only managed to extend them after they did nothing for two years regarding them.

        So I'm supposed to believe they want to get rid of them (Bush tax cuts)?   Sure....why would I ever doubt it?

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by ctexrep on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:11:57 PM PDT

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        •  The only people I hear calling (0+ / 0-)

          it the Democrat party are Republicans. I use a capital "D" when referring to the Democratic Party to differentiate it from the lower case "d" of democratic ideas. It is important because Republicans (Republics?) use it as a dog whistle insult to members of the Deocratic Party.

          "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

          by sancerre2001 on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:44:00 PM PDT

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      •  Ok. Feel better now? (0+ / 0-)

        Folks are just trying to express themselves.

        If we can't abide a little bad grammar or creative spelling, how in the world will we build a movement strong enough to fight back against what we face?

        We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

        by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:28:45 PM PDT

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        •  Democrat Party.... (0+ / 0-)

          is a Republican dog whistle insult, I must admit I bristle when I hear it.

          "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

          by sancerre2001 on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:45:33 PM PDT

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          •  White flags have never much appealed to me (0+ / 0-)

            And there are still folks in that "Republican dog whistle insult" from the smallest little precinct to the very top of the Party and Government  that are putting it all on the line day after day fighting to make it better and keep it from getting worse, just so you can soak ever so languidly in your soothing bath of cynicism.  

            You must be part of Grammarians Without Borders.

            Saving the world one irritating correction at a time.

            We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

            by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 10:11:32 PM PDT

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            •  Wow, get over yourself. nt (1+ / 0-)
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              Into The Woods

              "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

              by sancerre2001 on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 05:29:27 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah. Sorry. Caught me at the wrong time. (1+ / 0-)
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                Went overboard and should have made it clear that I was not including myself among those putting it on the line, but I do know people who are and I admire them greatly.

                I also know people who in the past put it on the line in that way and are now gone.

                It bothers me to think we would just give up when they gave so much in the fight.

                My apologies.

                We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

                by Into The Woods on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 01:51:18 PM PDT

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                •  No problem, and nobody is giving up, (1+ / 0-)
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                  Into The Woods

                  at least nobody I know.
                  Speaking of fights, I had just watched Lawrence O'Donnell's takedown of NBC and Donnie Trump and was in a fighting mood last night when I thought I spotted a stealth Republican in our midst using a Republican term for Democrats. I was wrong, of course, so I guess I was caught at the wrong time as well.
                  We're on the same team, Into The Woods, and no white flags are going up in this corner of central Texas. As a matter of fact, we're winning this fight. Republicans have nothing to offer the nation and a new era of progressive change is near.
                  BTW, your smack down of me was classic:

                  putting it all on the line day after day fighting to make it better and keep it from getting worse, just so you can soak ever so languidly in your soothing bath of cynicism.  

                  Can I steal it?

                  "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

                  by sancerre2001 on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 03:49:33 PM PDT

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                  •  With my blessing. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Thanks for being gracious about it.

                    Glad to hear Texas is up and kicking.

                    Hope Molly's ghost keeps an eye out for you and sends down some humor now and then.

                    I agree, I think the tide is turning, but it could turn into a rough summer in more ways than weather.

                    Keep the faith.

                    We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

                    by Into The Woods on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 07:44:15 PM PDT

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    •  Whatever the dem idea is... (0+ / 0-)

      it would not turn medicare into coupons...and it would be the less of two evils....

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Thu Apr 28, 2011 at 08:31:22 AM PDT

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  •  Now the question is "did this peak too early" (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    or "is this the beginning of a nasty year for Republicans"?

    Oh, and in a completely unrelated bit, it's SNOWING in my yard right now. Damn, we really did break the sky. :p

    As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:23:12 PM PDT

  •  Rays/twins game was postponed cause of snow (1+ / 0-)
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    Into The Woods

    medicare gutting vote PROTEST:

    at W.C. Bill Young rethuglican office

    SEMINOLE OFFICE
    9210 113th Street
    Seminole, FL 33772
    (727) 394-6950 (map)

    WEDNESDAY MAY 4th 430 pm

    BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!!

    Cubbies vs Rays in 2011 World Series! This is the YEAR for Cub's fans!!!

    by surfdog on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:26:22 PM PDT

    •  Lord have mercy. (And they're talkin bout no roof (0+ / 0-)

      for a football stadium?)

      The keepers have obviously left the zoo.

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:31:34 PM PDT

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  •  Three Months Ago...... (3+ / 0-)
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    itzik shpitzik, JeffW, Into The Woods

    I thought the 2012 election was going to be referendum on President Obama, and despite the fact that Intrade had Obama at 63%, I was concerned.

    Today, I believe that the election will be about the Ryan Austerity Pact, and despite Intrade moving Obama down to 59%, I'm more optimistic.

    The best strategy for the Dems is to do nothing re: entitlement cuts.

    Let's not try to be GOP-Lite.

    Let's give the people a true choice in 2012.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. http://www1.hamiltonproject.org/es/hamilton/hamilton_hp.htm

    by PatriciaVa on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:27:10 PM PDT

  •  Wait, did Gallup just ask whether (1+ / 0-)
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    farbuska

    people support the Ryan plan or the Obama plan? They didnt say anything about what was in the Ryan plan or Obama plan? One thing that concerned me initially is the changes to Medicare in Ryan's plan werent really mentioned by the media. I would just see headlines like, "Plan slashing $6 trillion in spending passes House." Then somewhere in the article, they talked about Medicare.

  •  Which Hasn't Mattered for Repub Prospects (1+ / 0-)
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    not a cent

    since Eisenhower.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:30:31 PM PDT

  •  Obama was born, in a state. Ryan & Co: tanking. (1+ / 0-)
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    not a cent

    I've had two (2) vodka martinis. I guess this is a good time to call it a night?

    (On balance, this was a good day for the nation.)

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:34:04 PM PDT

  •  The $6,400 question: (6+ / 0-)

    Can you afford to pay $6,400 a year more  for your Medicare than seniors pay today? Couples, by the way, will pay $12,800 a year more.

    Multiply that number by every year you live past 65, and it really adds up. A 75 year old will have paid $64,000 more for their Medicare than today's seniors pay and that's $128,000 more for couples.

  •  That poll is very discouraging (0+ / 0-)

    I'm still shaking my head. Its unbelievable, incomprehensible that younger people could favor the Ryan plan.

    And once again, the strongest demographic in support of Republicans? The elderly.

    •  younger p eople favor the Obama plan (4+ / 0-)
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      not a cent, fcvaguy, moonpal, JeffW

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:44:04 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)
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        farbuska

        I should have been more specific in referring to the 30 to 49 year olds.

        •  raised in the reagan years (1+ / 0-)
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          fcvaguy

          they are often the most conservative group.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:01:17 PM PDT

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          •  and a lot of them don't like Black people (1+ / 0-)
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            fcvaguy

            I was born in Dec 62, so have lots of friends and relatives that are boomers and a few GEN Xers ( born after 64 ) Anecdotally, even the educated ones I know on the boomer sidemostly in the 50's and 60's, don't like Blacks, Asian Indians or Arabs ( the fact that these latter folks are Caucasians doesn't seem to matter; they still have dark skin, they have a name for them, sand ni...you get it ) and most Hispanics, unless their kid brother ( me ) or son marries one....curiously they are somewhat more tolerant of Trinidadians and Dominicans ( might be baseball thing with the Dominicans ) despite the fact that many of them are dark skinned. Brazilians seem to get a pass too, by virtue of their not actually being Hispanic,and because everyone respects the country's soccer pedigree, I guess.....I think most of the vitriol directed at Hispanics is aimed at Mexicans, specifically, despit the fact quite a few of them are white. See, most of this makes no sense, and is entirely anecdotal......when they complain about immigrants in these parts, it's always the Indians, Arabs, and Mexicans. Not the Poles and the Russians, or, for ahwile, all the illegal Irish we had paving driveways and such....( a lot of them moved back ) and most of them have Mexicans and Central Americans cutting their lawns.....man I hear this shit all day, with one brother in law ( who has a Hispanic wife,,, a white one}, referring to my nephwe's wife, a Nigerian with a PhD, as the N word ...)sometimes I want to get on plane and just leave....

      •  OMG, it's hard for me to belive that people (0+ / 0-)

        over 30 years of age are so willing to bend over and get fucked in the ass. Totally unbelievable.

        Honesty pays, but it doesn't seem to pay enough to suit some people. Kin Hubbard

        by Mr Robert on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:35:00 PM PDT

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    •  The poll question did not explain the GOP plan. (4+ / 0-)
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      not a cent, fcvaguy, moonpal, farbuska

      It simply asked which plan do you prefer -- Ryan's or Obama's? Obama's won by a point, by the way.

      What this says to me is that the playing field is even right now, and once our side starts explaining the GOP plan, we'll start moving ahead.

    •  Plan's by Name? Meaningless. (0+ / 0-)

      At least until they've been better defined and the people start settling in on what they think is there.

      If they asked by major category:

      Which plan do you support:

      1.  
      The Plan A that Cuts Medicare ($6,400/person/yr)  or
      Plan B that does not cut Medicare and focuses on the costs of health care for everyone.

      2.  
      Plan A that cuts Social Security or
      Plan B that does not cut Social Security.

      3.  
      Plan A that cuts Medicaid (including care for the elderly and care for the disabled) or
      Plan B that does not cut Medicaid.

      4.  
      Plan A that cuts heating, housing and food stamp assistance to the poor (while the recession-driven need is still at its highest point ever) or
      Plan B that does not cut these safety net programs for the needy.

      5.  
      Plan A that CUTS  taxes on millonaires and billionaires or
      Plan B that INCREASES taxes on millionaires and billionaries.

      6.  
      Plan A that continues the Republican Ban on negotiating for discounts on Medicare Pharmecuticals or
      Plan B that repeals that ban and requires disount negotiations to be pursued.

      7.
      Plan A that cuts corporate tax rates for the biggest corporatoins or
      Plan B that forces big corporations to pay taxes on their international profits when they're made instead of when each big corporations decides if and/or when they'll pay them.

      8.  
      Plan A that pretends to get tough on Wall Street Banks and Hedge Funds but really just repeals the recently passed regulations or
      Plan B that imposes a Financial Crisis Responsiblity Fee on the Wall Street Banks that caused this mess and imposes a Speculating Tax on the exotic financial transactions were one of the main mechanisms used by the Banks to create this mess.

      9.  
      Plan A that doesn't achieve a balanced budget until 26 years have passed or
      Plan B that achieves a balanced budget within 10 years.

      10.
      Plan A that imposes the most burdens on those least able to bear them or
      Plan B that shares the burdens and starts to bring balance back to our economy.

      It would be Plan B by a mile.

      Plan B:  The People's Budget
      (A Moderate Budget brought to you by the House of Representative's Progressive Caucus.)

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 09:56:30 PM PDT

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  •  "The more the public knows " ? What indeed (1+ / 0-)
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    will they know given the massively funded disinformation campaign that shall flow from the Citizens United decision?

    The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

    by Wolf10 on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:35:22 PM PDT

  •  if this Teapublican birther craziness (1+ / 0-)
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    not a cent

    leads to the President's re-election and Ds taking back the House and holding the Senate then (and only then) will it have been worth it

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:44:39 PM PDT

    •  Maybe? (2+ / 0-)
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      TrueBlueMajority, farbuska

      I don't know, TBM, the damage being done is not good. It affects the kids of my friends, it affects my son, it affects all of us. The message being sent is so bad, I am not sure that any short-term political gain is worth it.

      Actually, I am sure it is not. This is a dark day for all of us, I think.

      •  i don't think of it as short term political gain (1+ / 0-)
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        not a cent

        if the Rs take the Senate and the White House in 2012 that will have a far worse effect on your son and your friends and all of us.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:06:35 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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          TrueBlueMajority

          But I hate the process, and I hate the fact that it is so toxic.

          I want to win. I want us to maintain our majority in the senate, and retake the house. But I don't want us to do it because the other side was so odious that there was no other choice.

          And I rue the fact that our kids our growing up with the knowledge that a big chunk of the population are bigots. I don't begrudge them that knowledge, I'm just depressed that it is necessary that they know that. Because it really should be different by now. It should be a history lesson, not current events, right?

  •  Boehner 'not wedded' (3+ / 0-)
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    farbuska, JeffW, Into The Woods

    to Ryan budget?

    Apparently he missed the little sign when you enter the House chamber. The one that says, "Members, If you vote for it, you own it."

    It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

    by Red Bean on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 07:55:39 PM PDT

    •  he wasn’t “wedded to it.” (0+ / 0-)

      Nope, just to the bottle, Golf and the color orange, Oh and being a dick.
      BTW, what became of those stories about him and a female lobby type person?
      Just wondering.

    •  Berg From ND was Dancing Away As Well (0+ / 0-)

      The budget bill is just an outline, numbers.

      The work will be done in committee.

      Like the Ryan's Road to Asperity was the road not taken.

      We'd rather dream the American Dream than fight to live it or to give it to our kids. What a shame. What an awful, awful shame.

      by Into The Woods on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 09:58:08 PM PDT

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  •  Mayday Alarms at the DLC & DNC (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    They're running around in a panic trying to figure out how to make GOP-lite still work for the 2012 election season.

    Mon Dieu!  How will we sell the Catfood Commission recommendations in Congress?  How will we escalate the wars in Afghanistan and Libya?  Damn the fucking liberals, its all their fault!

    /em>

    Who could have foreseen this tragedy?  Who knew the voters would rebel against cutting Social Security and Medicare?  Who knew they would get so pissed off about high unemployment?

     

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~ Aristotle

    by Betty Pinson on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:15:50 PM PDT

  •  Wait a minute, Boehner is a FREAKING GENIUS! (0+ / 0-)
    Speaker John Boehner has given an interview in which he said Ryan’s plan was an idea “worthy of consideration” and that he wasn’t “wedded to it.”

    How does Cantor stand on the Ryan budget plan?

    If Cantor is wedded to it, then in one stroke Boehner has killed off his major rival for speaker.

    just a thought

    Bumper sticker seen on I-95; "Stop Socialism" my response: "Don't like socialism? GET OFF the Interstate highway!"

    by Clytemnestra on Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 08:24:04 PM PDT

  •  Both Parties Budget Plans are worthless (0+ / 0-)

    Both budget proposals do not reduce spending at all, but reduce future spending. The fact is, the "spending cuts" are immaterial and will make little or no difference.

  •  Disheartening (0+ / 0-)

    Those Gallup results bum me out. I guess they shouldn't because it mostly reflects the bigotries of the voters, not their information level. But the fact  that so few Americans are able to connect "Republican party" with "Republican policies" is galling.

    The upside is maybe this will encourage the Rs to keep pushing it, thinking the public will end up liking it. The more they realize the R plan destroys Medicare and gives more to the rich, the fewer will  like it.  But as always, educating the voters in America is a Herculean challenge and the Dems have proven themselves to be spectacularly bad at it.

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