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Just think of all the money saved by redefining rape


Remember when Republicans tried to redefine rape in H.R. 3, the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," so that only women who had been "forcibly" raped could qualify for government funds for abortion? And remember when, in response to the enormous national WTF? outcry, plus a very persuasive bit on The Daily Show, Republicans dropped that wording?

Well, it's back.

Via Mother Jones:

They're doing it again: After jettisoning controversial legislative language narrowing the definition of rape for the purposes of abortion law, House Republicans are attempting a backdoor maneuver to ensure that solely victims of "forcible rape" are eligible for federal funding if they seek abortions.

That backdoor maneuver they're using?

The backdoor reintroduction of the statutory rape change relies on the use of a committee report, a document that congressional committees produce outlining what they intend a piece of legislation to do. If there's ever a court fight about the interpretation of a law—and when it comes to a subject as contentious as abortion rights, there almost always is—judges will look to the committee report as evidence of congressional intent, and use it to decide what the law actually means.

A committee report is not unlike a presidential signing statement. It's a way of supporting a bill with an asterisk that says, "But what this bill really means..." So while conservatives generally don't like such asterisks—a law means what it says, and there's no room for interpretation—in this case, Republicans think they've found a way to add sneak in a little asterisk to H.R. 3 to segregate victims of "forcible rape" from, you know, women and girls who were kinda-but-not-in-a-bad-way raped.

So why are Republicans so dead-set on creating this absurd distinction? According to Mother Jones, Douglas Johnson, the legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee, and other anti-choice activists are very concerned about Congress closing the gaping rape loophole. No, really:

Johnson said it was intended to fend off a "brazen effort," by abortion rights groups to exploit the rape exception in Hyde. Abortion rights groups were, in Johnson's words, planning to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers." Doerflinger argued in congressional testimony that the language was "an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager."

See, all those pregnant teens will just brazenly claim they were forced to have sex against their will, when really, they're tramps who love sex and hate babies.

Which is why Congressional Republicans are trying to find a way, any way, to crackdown on this highly exploitable "rape" loophole, saving each and every American taxpayer as much as a fraction of a penny. Because the best way to create a culture of life—and jobs—is to make sure those loose 13-year-old girls can't take American taxpayers for a ride with their brazen claims.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:20 PM PDT.

Also republished by Pro Choice and Abortion.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Let them do it. (10+ / 0-)

    Dems vote present.

    Let them show American women who they are. Average women who aren't tuned into politics need to see this happen in the House.

    It won't go anywhere in the Senate.

    Let them tell America they support forcing impoverished pregnant teens to give birth to their incest rape babies.

    We'll see how that works out for them with the independents they need to win national elections.

  •  This is probably because congressional Republicans (6+ / 0-)

    are busy fucking underage girls, and is just another case of "it's OK when I do it".

    I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

    by Futuristic Dreamer on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:26:05 PM PDT

  •  So disgusting! BTW, where are the jobs bills? (9+ / 0-)

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:28:39 PM PDT

  •  If someone claims to be "Pro-Life"... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...they should care for the life of the unborn child.

    It should not matter who the father is, or under what circumstances the child was conceived.

    Republicans are saying, "Abortion is murder, but murdering you is OK, if we don't like your daddy".

    Real 100% Pro-life people have a case for their beliefs. Pro-choice people have a case for their beliefs.  But those who claim to be Pro-life but believe in "rape/incest exceptions" are the worst sort of slime, and should be called out on their hypocrisy.

    •  ManhattanMan, I see your point, but disagree-- (2+ / 0-)
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      martydd, andromeda

      probably "Man" in your handle explains it all. Could you understand a situation where your body for nine months is--against your will--placed in service to produce offspring of a criminal who sodomized you?  

      Could you understand being forced to grow a seed implanted against your will?  

      Sorry--my comment sounds coarse--but most men just don't get it.

      US energy corporations realize that both solar and wind power share one big drawback--they are free.

      by Mayfly on Tue May 03, 2011 at 02:14:33 PM PDT

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      •  If you are pro-choice... (0+ / 1-)
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        ...I understand. I respect that position.

        I just don't agree with the in-betweeners who say they care about life -- unless that guy over there is the father.

        You realize that it could take months for a rape case to come to trial, don't you? What does the victim do in the meantime?

        If we are going to outlaw abortion (and we should not), there should be no exceptions based on rape or incest.

    •  No, pro-LIARs do not have any (1+ / 0-)
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      damned case for their beliefs. Their opposition to comprehensive sexual education, their opposition to birth control, their opposition to subsidized pre-natal care, their opposition to assistance for young children, and their equivocation when asked if women who seek abortions should be jailed... all of that proves they don't give a flying fuck about "teh pweshus unborn baybees."

      But even if they did, my bodily autonomy isn't up for other people to debate.

  •  So-the republicans (5+ / 0-)

    are redefining rape?

    Why does everything need to be redefined with these people?

    Along the same lines of one of my other posts today-I'm going to do some redefining too-with regard to how I feel about their crappy-shitty attempt to do this to women-

    This is not a dog takin' a crap.

    This is a fecal entitlement distribution op!

    Am I so damed pissed at republicans I actually have a theme-today?

    "A liberal is a man or a woman or a child who looks forward to a better day, a more tranquil night, and a bright, infinite future." ~Leonard Bernstein

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:29:32 PM PDT

  •  gop never mentions unwanted children (7+ / 0-)

    because they don't really care about unwanted children or what happens to them after they are born.

    •  they dont care about them before theyre born (4+ / 0-)

      either, except so far as it can be used as a wedge issue

      I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

      by Tamifah on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:40:01 PM PDT

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    •  Since it's about saving money (1+ / 0-)
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      the republicans should be sure to mention the negative millions we will save the these children born of rape end up in foster care and prison.

      •  Right, Rezkalla. Freakonomics had an interesting (0+ / 0-)

        chapter on those very topics.

        US energy corporations realize that both solar and wind power share one big drawback--they are free.

        by Mayfly on Tue May 03, 2011 at 02:17:41 PM PDT

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      •  It's Even Worse (1+ / 0-)
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        The reality is that even if the person born never gets any federal assistance at all, this decision costs the American public ten times what it would cost for the abortion.  The cost of an abortion is $300, the cost to deliver a normal full term baby is $3,000.  That's what we lose.  It's not about the money.  It's about the principle.  We should be discussing that.  The only way to get these pukes to discuss these issues is to take away their issues about expense.  Then they have to talk about the issue, and they lose this every time.

  •  The sexy language of the Republic Party (7+ / 0-)
    The backdoor reintroduction of the statutory rape change
    Teenage Brazen Hussies
    Johnson said it was intended to fend off a "brazen effort," by abortion rights groups to exploit the rape exception in Hyde. Abortion rights groups were, in Johnson's words, planning to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers." Doerflinger argued in congressional testimony that the language was "an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager."

    I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above join the DAILY KOS UNIVERSITY "Nous sommes un groupuscule"

    by annieli on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:29:34 PM PDT

    •  anybody ask Johnson for any evidence? (4+ / 0-)

      I mean, anybody? Because those are pretty explosive allegations he is making. (and i'll assume it's a HE, and I'll further assume his first name is Randy. Randy Johnson. Because these repressed douchebags are ALL about projection). Check 'em out;
      1) This is a coordinated conspiracy of brazen teenage hussies, not even practicing the rhythm method. I'll bet that's why they always go to the girls' room together!
      2) Clearly they are reporting back to central command once the rabbit has died to be brought to the slaughterhouse. This has RICO written all over it.
      3) Those brazen ... what, pimps? that have sent these hussies out to steal the precious bodily fluids from married republican men are doing it simply for the satisfaction of creating life just to destroy taxpayer expense!!1!
      4) I dunno.  My head hurts from taking it this far into WTFville.

      Dear Confederacy, please remember what happened last time you acted like this.

      by kamarvt on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:43:33 PM PDT

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  •  Just sent a useless msg to my TeaCritter (11+ / 0-)

    Desjarlais (Tb-TN). I didn't spend much time over it (as is obvious from some of the wording; my bad) nor did I feel like being subtle or euphemistic.

    Congressman Desjarlais, the very first step in ensuring the liberty of American citizens is to get the government out of our bedrooms, out of our reproductive choices, and out of the decisions made between a woman and her physician. H.R. 3 is a gross intrusion in my right to choose whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term, that is, whether or not to allow another human being to use my body against my will. H.R. 3 is another in a long line of bills designed to force pregnant women to give birth against their will, and forced birth is wrong no matter how you slice it. A decision as personal and important as contraception and abortion should between a woman, her doctor, and God. According to polling by the Pew Research Center's March 8th poll, a clear majority of Americans agree with me on this. I urge you in the strongest terms to vote against H.R. 3 and all other forced-birth legislation. Thank you for your time and attention.

    This and 55 cents will get me a senior coffee at MickeyDees.
  •  Who's the Republican leader in the House, (5+ / 0-)

    John Boehner or Humbert Humbert?

    Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

    by Greasy Grant on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:32:00 PM PDT

  •  If only there were a way (2+ / 0-)
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    Mayfly, i like bbq

    to tax cruelty.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:33:45 PM PDT

  •  They just need a new birther cause. (1+ / 0-)
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    i like bbq

    Self-righteous fanaticism is not a pretty thing, is it?

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:34:52 PM PDT

  •  Pedophile Rapist GOPers want the little girls (2+ / 0-)
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    Tamifah, i like bbq

    to have to have their babies.

  •  This "backdoor" misogyny is getting old. (10+ / 0-)

    Why don't these fuckwits just come out and say that they don't believe women are mature, moral and competent to make their own decisions.

    Just admit that you hate women.  Quit hiding behind fetuses.

    My dogs think triciawyse is smart and pretty. They think I'm a strange, frumpy woman wth limitless snacks.

    by martydd on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:36:44 PM PDT

  •  Where are the F****** jobs? (nt) (3+ / 0-)

    I'm kind of stalling for time here...They told me what to say. George W Bush, 03-21-2006 10:00 EST Press Conference

    by Tamifah on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:38:15 PM PDT

  •  Read this and let it soak for a moment. (4+ / 0-)
    Abortion rights groups were, in Johnson's words, planning to "federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers."

    You see? This is all a nefarious plot to kill babies and free teenagers to have happy-sexy-time whenever they want it.

    We've seen the enemy........ and it's the GOP.

  •  This casts doubt on the definition criminally too? (1+ / 0-)
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    I can just hear the sleazy defense attorney now:  Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client did not REALLY rape the defendant.  Hell, even the Congress of the United States of America won't pay for abortions when this type of act results in a pregnancy, because it's not REALLY rape.  Your Honor, the defense rests.

    Has the jury reached a decision?  We have your Honor.  We find the defendant NOT guilty.

  •  Yep. That is going to save sooooo much money. (0+ / 0-)

    Because investigating whether a teenager was raped or not and thus actually deserving of an abortion costs so much less than taking the kid at her word and just performing an abortion.  They make so much sense!

    Oh, unless, perhaps, it's all about jobs.  Perhaps this is actually the first Republican job creation bill -- there will now be a whole army of rape investigators for teenage girls desiring abortions and evilly wanting to stick it to the taxpayers.

    "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps...of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again."

    by middleagedhousewife on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:45:43 PM PDT

  •  uh.......question..... (0+ / 0-)

    13 year olds don't pay taxes. So they came up with the money through....[friends], the state, parents.......

    This whole money is fungible thing has gone too far.

  •  Do you think they think... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that a man might be forcibly raped?

    -5.38 -4.72 T. Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

    by trevzb on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:47:49 PM PDT

  •  There are no limits (2+ / 0-)
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    to how much hate these eff-tards can dump on women.  Apparently they have a limited understanding of "Age of consent."

    OTOH, it makes my head twirl like the stunt double in the Exorcist to think about how fast they'd get that 14 year old to an abortion provider - if she planned on going public about who put the bun in her oven.

    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

    by luvsathoroughbred on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:51:06 PM PDT

  •  Rape is only when (7+ / 0-)

    the victim is white, female and Republican and the perp is not white, male and Republican.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:51:19 PM PDT

  •  If only the economy had a voice to scream rape. (1+ / 0-)
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    It would have hired the staff at 'The Practice" and/or 'Boston Legal' and/or 'Harry's Law' and/or ... whatever it takes to fix this clusterfuck.  Possibly David R. Kelley might consider an advisor position?  Help us Mr. Wizzard .....

    "There's nothing in the dark that's not there when the lights are on" ~ Rod Serling

    by jwinIL14 on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:53:17 PM PDT

  •  These people are fucking nuts. (4+ / 0-)
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    drmah, Mayfly, Lying eyes, OKParrothead

    Rape... BY DEFINITION, is something forced...

    There is no such thing as consensual rape.  

    Gave up trying to figure it out, and my head got lost along the way.

    by Beelzebud on Tue May 03, 2011 at 01:58:15 PM PDT

  •  Sickening (1+ / 0-)
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    i like bbq

    It is the underage girls who need protecting the most. By throwing them under the bus with this committee report exception the GOP is showing its true stripes when it comes to protecting our most vulnerable. Something they've been doing a lot lately (voting to de-fund PP and end guaranteed Medicare coverage)

  •  The teen-aged girls I worked with in the Psyc hosp (3+ / 0-)
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    martydd, i like bbq, Lying eyes

    had serious problems, most stemming from rape.  In most cases the girls' father, uncle, mother's boyfriend, or grandfather and his fishing buddies  were the culptits. Often "incest rape" isn't violent, but continues over a long period of time untill the girl totally falls apart and Mom says, "I just didn't know this was happening."  How would Republicans deal with these kinds of cases?  All they need to do is walk through the local emergency room in a Hospital near them to know this kind of "family rape" occurs freqently.

  •  Weirdo Fucktards (2+ / 0-)
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    WheninRome, i like bbq

    Redefining rape in effort to limit abortions - which are legal - is pretty fucked up.

    It's crazy shit.  Rape is a very, very bad crime.  Its not the egg you break to make an omlette.

    If abortions are made illegal, then they will return to the back alleys and many women will suffer as a result.

    Not only that, accidents happen often when the necessary precautions are taken.  Condoms break and the pill isn't always foolproof.  Women have a right to choose whether or not they want to undergo A) the medical risk of being pregnant and having a baby B) the responsibilities of motherhood.  

    The GOP's ultra-right-wing base wants to impose a rule of abstinence upon society.  That's what they want.  By making abortions illegal they can impose the consequence of pregnancy upon those that are promiscuous.  

    The really fucked up part of this is that any victory over the occurance of abortion is seen as a net positive - even one that places the blame of rape upon the victim, therefore denying her any recourse to terminate the pregnancy.  

    For the record, I myself would never ask a woman to have an abortion.  A child is a precious gift and reason to celebrate - a blessing - but that's me, that's my choice.  The choice and rationales behind having a child  is different for every person.  Not everyone is ready for that risk and/or responsibility.  The choice is made by the would be parents, heavily weighted on the woman - seeing that it is her body.  

    What I want to know is what about the living children in this country?  The GOP is hot to deny them medical coverage for the sake of austerity.  FUCKING HYPOCRITE DOUCHEBAGS.  If they were half as concerned about the well being of children as they say they are then they wouldn't be so hot to defund education and child care.

    My father, a 40 year public servant, Navy vet, NYC police officer, treasury dept employee and local fed auditors union president (retired) is completely and totally right about the movement to limit abortion.  Its all rhetoric to get people to vote against their economic interest.  They have majorities in the SCOTUS.  They could reverse Roe v Wade.  Its not going to suddenly become illegal - but they will dangle to carrot to get people to come out to the polls.  Its a magician's trick.  Watch this hand while the other one steals you blind.

    However, its gotten so bad that the zealots they have recruited to extend the issue and talk about it are not fully on board with the idea that the movement is totally an illusion meant to cover the real agenda (fleecing the middle class) - they are serious and somewhat mentally cracked with backwards priority.  Some pretty bad weirdo fucktards furthering this type of legislation.

  •  Bastards. NT (2+ / 0-)
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    martydd, Lying eyes

    I am still learning, but the teachers often suck.

    by trumpeter on Tue May 03, 2011 at 02:18:42 PM PDT

  •  Forgive me if I'm being ignorant ~snark~ (2+ / 0-)
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    michaelmas, i like bbq

    but if backdoor maneuvers are involved, one wouldn't expect abortion to be needed...

    New favorite put-down: S/he's as dumb as a flock of Sarah Palins

    by sleipner on Tue May 03, 2011 at 02:30:36 PM PDT

  •  Instead take the taxpayers for a ride (1+ / 0-)
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    by helping to support those teenagers after they have their babies and can't go to school or earn a good living. Yeah, that makes sense.

  •  diabolic mind set (0+ / 0-)

    what else could it be !

    In Kenosha, Wis., earlier in the week, Rep. Paul Ryan architect of the House GOP budget plan exited through a back door to stymie protesters gathering out front.

    by anyname on Tue May 03, 2011 at 03:55:40 PM PDT

  •  This will obviously create jobs (0+ / 0-)

    /heavy snark

    It gives a lovely light.

    by CayceP on Tue May 03, 2011 at 08:59:49 PM PDT

  •  Let's be clear about what statutory rape means... (0+ / 0-)
    See, all those pregnant teens will just brazenly claim they were forced to have sex against their will, when really, they're tramps who love sex and hate babies.

    No, the Gileadites are worried about something more insidious. Statutory rape DOES NOT require the girl to claim she was forced. In fact, it is not always the case that the girl wants the rapist prosecuted and the sex in statutory rape is sometimes nominally consensual. The victim may even have been an eager participant or the initiator of the sex.  Here in Michigan, high school senior boys have been tried and convicted of statutory rape for having sex with freshman girlfriends who made no claims of any sort of coercion and refused to aid the prosecution.

    What makes such cases statutory RAPE is that the victim is not a woman but a GIRL and legally incapable of sexual consent as a matter of law because of her age. Some see those laws as a patriarchal hangover, but the modern justification is reasonable: children lack the capacity for some decisions, and so there is an age below which a child cannot legally consent to sex any more than they can enter into binding contracts, vote, drive, or drink.

    The point behind carving out non-forcible statutory rape from abortion law is that the Christianist Right really does see those girls as shameless hussies needing punishment, sees the potential child as property of men involved (either the rapist or the girl's father, subject to negotiation) and sees the men as innocent-ish victims of predatory and immoral girls who didn't say "No" convincingly. If they had said "No" strongly enough, then it would be forcible rape. If the girl can't and won't make a case for forcible rape, the dispute for the serious Christianist is between two victims: her father whose property has been spoiled and the man who spoiled it under the duress of sexual allure (of a child, but let's ignore that...) Allowing the potential baby to be destroyed outside of that dispute between two men who have both been harmed by a wayward girl just makes it worse by removing a negotiable item of value at the behest of the real criminal...

    It is important to keep in mind that waging war on women includes waging war on girls. The Christianist Right isn't just going to war against lesbians and/or liberal women and/or women who only want to be treated as the equals of men, it opposes as a matter of religious dogma any protection, privilege, or power for anyone lacking a Y chromosome and/or its usual physical manifestations. It may seem unbelievable for people who mostly operate in the sane world, but there really is a significant slice of the US population who believe that women should not even be 2nd-class citizens, they should be chattel. No kidding. Wish I was.

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