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[skip to end of diary for diary title question. UPDATE: in comments, a few are unhappy with use of word "conspiracy". However, we have yet to hear any fleshed-out alternative theories from said commenters, as of 1pm PST]

I'm a news junkie. Have been since college a few years ago. Modern-day news is like a car accident you just can't turn away from. Probably not too healthy to read it every day, and I usually avoid news (and Internet) when I'm out of town as I was these past few days.

While gathered around the teevee a couple nights back, watching the nba playoffs with a few other dudes, the Osama story broke. The exact memory of "when I first heard Osama died" is kind of vague, due to the fact that Osama bin Laden is not terribly important to me, although his evasion of U.S. capture has served as a Point of Irony for the past decade. I believe the nba playoff game actually broke into the game with the news, and my buddies told me to change the channel to cable news to see the President's address.

For those of us who are political junkies, it's amusing to make comments on political speeches as they happen, just as sports fans talk a lot during sports events/pressers. But my buddies, who are politically apathetic, had their eyes glued to the screen. Though I was enjoying the speech Obama gave, a smile was glued to my face.

Ah, politics. I smiled every time Obama took credit for the killing, and inwardly imagined all the whining from the neocons. [ Imagine: "they took Bush's credit" being said in same voice as South Park hillbillies, "they took er JEBS"].

But then we all started talking amongst ourselves. S. and I expressed shock at the video clips being shown, repeatedly, of 20-something kids with frat sweatshirts and American flags on. It looked like a college had just won a football game. War is not a game or a joke or a sports event. Even the targeted killing of Osama resulted in the loss of life of a woman who may have been uninvolved.

All those reports that got leaked to the media? About the "vicious firefight?" NOPE! Then an hour later on the teevee I see the macho-testicles that Jon Stewart (ugh, Jon, why??) put onto the map of the U.S. [ Pres. Obama's tone of seriousness is most appropriate for these events ]

http://news.yahoo.com/...

Only one of the five people killed in the raid that got Osama bin Laden was armed and fired a shot, a senior defense official said Thursday, acknowledging the new account differs greatly from original administration portrayals of a chaotic, intense and prolonged firefight.

As the Navy SEALs moved into bin Laden's compound, they were fired on by bin Laden's courier, who was in the guesthouse, the official said. The SEALs returned fire, and the courier was killed, along with a woman with him. The official said she was hit in the crossfire.
The Americans were never fired on again as they encountered and killed a man on the first floor and then bin Laden's son on a staircase, before arriving at bin Laden's room. Officials have said bin Laden was killed after he appeared to be lunging for a weapon.

My buddies and I continued the evening, watching NBA and asking each other:

" Why did they kill Osama? Wouldn't he need to be interrogated for intelligence? "
" Why dump his body off a boat? Won't that feed all the birther trolls more ammo for a conspiracy? "

There are probably good answers to those questions, but you wouldn't get them watching traditional television media in the US. It was just a bunch of wanna-be tough guys and chickenhawks on some channels slapping each other on the back (like over at Faux News) or a bunch of college kids (perhaps intoxicated) cheering on the other channels.

One encouraging thing: even conservative warmongering talking heads on the screen that night were asking questions like , " Why don't we get out of Afghanistan now? Mission accomplished". Then you'd see the other talking head trying to hold the message intact that " well, al quaeda is still a top-level threat, and YOU should be very scared of them still". I haven't been watching news on tv or online since then until right now, but my hope is that more Americans are shaking off the fear of boogeymen that led us into this Iraq/Afpak quagmire in the first place. For all that is good in the universe, let us hope this killing of Osama can be a transition out of the Afpak mess.

Here's my question:

Are there folks out there who, like my buddy watching the teevee with me, talked to friends and family after this event and heard the "we didn't really kill osama" conspiracy theory? [not just the 'gary johnson is taking over dailykos' kind of conspiracy theory, I mean an EPIC conspiracy theory].

My buddy's MOTHER, a professional woman in her 50s, was on the phone with my buddy the next morning explaining how she is a skeptic. We overhear him telling her, "Mom, that is the kind of wackiness that led to the birther conspiracies". He also pointed out that no human being who isn't at an event can prove that the event happened, especially without video/photos. Me being a political junkie, I wanted to snatch the phone and ask this woman how she could possibly fall for a conspiracy theory like that.

So far, that's the only friend/family member that I've heard about directly, although a couple other buddies this week said they've heard grumblings of skepticism. I've also seen on Facebook wall posts a couple of comments about how "obama only did this because it's campaign season". [not sure what campaign is being referenced...] We need a name and a shame label to apply to these folks who find it fashionable to foment conspiracies, out of boredom or a desire to be a contrarian or whatever it is that inspires them. The truth means nothing to conspiracy theorists, they simply want attention. Whether it's on the news, or internet, or dkos.

Here's what I found on Google:

Cindy Sheehan thinks OBL wasn't killed, and uses the body dumped off the ship as evidence.

http://sfist.com/...

Of course, this whole event has shown just how rumor-based the internet can be during big stories. Fake OBL death pics were everywhere online, and were published by multiple news outlets, including the NYT.

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/...

Here's an article about the conspiracy theorists:

http://www.ibtimes.com/... [this article , however, wrongly demands the death pics to be released like Bush released the video of Saddam. Bush is hardly a role model for war.]

and it looks like Huffpost published a tweet from 'kagro x', someone that posts or used to post here at dkos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

pretty funny.

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  •  if the conspiracy theorists get going... (7+ / 0-)

    then it's sooner rather than later that they can expect to be "named" by Colbert.

    what would be a good name for the OBL conspiracy theorists?

    witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

    by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 09:56:58 AM PDT

  •  My long-time contractor (6+ / 0-)

    is a working-class British guy who has lived in NM for decades.   He is a-political and on the hippy side.  He asked me, as if it were standard small-talk about this news, "So, ya think they really got him?"

    I calibrated my reply to match  "Ya know what convinced me?   Those faces in the Situation Room, y'know, Hillary with her hand over her mouth? "

    "Yeah," he agreed, "I know what you mean."

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:13:37 AM PDT

    •  remember what they said about the Truthers? (4+ / 0-)
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      ssgbryan, Catte Nappe, nellgwen, Vyan

      "there's no way Bush could cover-up something THAT vast and complex. he's too stupid and so are his enablers."

      That's a pretty valid critique of the 9/11 Truthers. But admittedly, many 9/11 Truthers are rabidly anti-Bush because of his war crimes, so you can understand their passions.

      The Birthers rabidly hate Obama, and either hate black people or are at least disgusted by black people. They are probably the same ones who said "there's no WAY that bush could cover up something so big", yet they can tell you with a straight face that Obama was born abroad and his birth is being concealed by all the highest levels of govt. which is laughable bullshit.

      it won't surprise me to see conspiracy theorists ignore that line of reasoning, and blithely assume it to be possible that every level of the military and intelligence services are conspiring with Obama to trick all of us.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:24:58 AM PDT

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  •  I know a "deather" but fortunately they (1+ / 0-)
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    aren't amongst my friends or family. I suppose we should've expected something like this. After all, these people left the reality based world some time ago.

    As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:14:36 AM PDT

    •  How Do They Eplain OBL's Wife And Daughter (4+ / 0-)

      who say they saw him killed?
      http://www.popularmechanics.com/...

      When President Barack Obama made his dramatic Sunday night announcement that U.S. forces had located and killed Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan, one of the first questions many asked was: How could U.S. officials be so sure it was really bin Laden?

      The answer came quickly.  While the body was identified through photos and by bin Laden's wife,...

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

      Osama bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter watched as her father was shot dead by American special forces, a senior Pakistani intelligence official has told the Guardian.
      •  Typical conspiracy logic (2+ / 0-)
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        majcmb1, nellgwen

        Each piece of counter-evidence you find is just another piece of "proof". It goes like this:

        "If the story of <X> was like they claimed it was why did they need to have evidence <Y> to back it up?" With this they're basically playing the "The lady doth protest too much methinks" card.

        But of course if you don't provide that evidence then it becomes, "what is the government trying to hide?!".

        Nobody can ever sastify them. They've got their view of the world and will never accept any version of the story that doesn't conform to theirs.

        As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

        by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:11:11 AM PDT

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      •  Popular mechanics?! (0+ / 0-)

        Remember how that one of the first "respected" stories about how 9/11 went was in Popular Mechanics?

        Just sayin'.

  •  Are you saying anyone that is skeptical of the (7+ / 0-)

    govt story is a crazy conspiracy theorist?

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:18:15 AM PDT

    •  well (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Texan

      as you can see, in the intro to this diary i pointed out how the 'govt story' given to media on Day One was inaccurate.

      I believe that Osama bin Laden is dead, however.

      witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

      by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:20:56 AM PDT

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      •  So what is your reason for wanting to label people (2+ / 0-)
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        who are skeptical?   I think most people think OBL is dead but some are skeptical of the changing govt story.  Doesn't mean they're crazy or out of touch with reality does it?

        S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:24:35 AM PDT

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        •  the details that are changing (1+ / 0-)
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          Deep Texan

          are mostly cosmetic, and we're seeing the lipstick being wiped off of the govt story.

          I wasn't there, I don't have pics, but I believe Osama is dead. Obama is not lying to us.

          witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

          by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:29:24 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, no doubt OBL is dead. (0+ / 0-)

            S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

            by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:32:05 AM PDT

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            •  two ppl voted "no" in the poll (1+ / 0-)
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              nellgwen

              just to be contrarians, no doubt, ha

              witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

              by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:34:00 AM PDT

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            •  Some do doubt it, though (3+ / 0-)
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              Deep Texan, change the Be, Joieau

              I think that's who the diarist was aiming for. Not those skepitical of the details, but those who flat out disbelieve that Osama was killed by US forces the other night.

            •  I heard he was dead (2+ / 0-)
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              change the Be, BigAlinWashSt

              back when the Africa embassy bombings happened. It was just his money that lived on.

              Then I heard he was in a Paris hospital waiting for a kidney (?) transplant, then I heard he'd died of cancer around 2002.

              I surely don't buy that the Pakistani military and intelligence community didn't know there was an al Queda safe house in their very midst. Hell, they probably all turned out for the block parties.

              I think it serves some people for him to be dead. I also think it has served some people for him to stay alive. But then again, I don't know for sure he ever existed. Doesn't matter. If he didn't exist, they'd have to invent him. But a smart POTUS not interested in causing more trouble for himself after just waiving his long form birth certificate in front of Teabagger faces would have brought him on home and done an autopsy at Dover or something. "Buried at sea" is something you expect to hear about a Naval hero, not a terrorist scumbag.

              Doesn't matter. They played the card, there's not much anybody can say about it that makes it go away. Maybe it's finally become perfectly clear that we can't afford to extend the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan any longer. But in order to 'legitimately' pull our troops home, bin Laden's head needed to be forfeit. Now maybe our troops really can come home, leave Afghanistan to the warlords who have always really run the place.

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Thu May 05, 2011 at 02:35:47 PM PDT

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    •  Anyone who is claiming that OBL isn't dead (5+ / 0-)

      and using conspiracy theory logic to justify it. (BTW, that's what the individual I know is saying. That OBL isn't dead, instead the CIA has him in a hole in the ground and is forcing him to eat bacon and zapping his testicles with 20,000 volts). Sorry, but that's Capricorn One territory.

      As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:22:04 AM PDT

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      •  What if someone believes OBL is dead but is (7+ / 0-)

        skeptical of the govt story, sort of like the Pat Tillman or Jessica Lynch stories?   Are they crazy conspiracy theorists too?  I'm just wondering where the line is and what sort of skepticism is going to be allowed.

        S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:26:27 AM PDT

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        •  If by "allowed" you mean site enforcement (1+ / 0-)
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          change the Be

          hard to say but Big Brother monitoring seems rarer than ever now.

          On the other hand if you mean "agreed with and exempted from mockery" ... then probably not.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:30:28 AM PDT

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        •  That's a bit different (3+ / 0-)

          The government has long ago given up the right to use "trust us, we never lie" as an argument. I'm sure there are details of the event we will never know and some of them are probably suspect.

          But the difference is if you start inventing crazy explanations and scream from the rafters that the government denial of your claims is proof that it must've happened that way then sorry, you're more likely a crackpot than a seeker of truth.

          As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

          by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:33:57 AM PDT

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          •  Well, there's always going to be those people. (4+ / 0-)

            The sky is falling is an old tale.  That's the problem I have with the labeling tho, the entire subject is painted by the least common denominator so anyone else who is skeptical or questions it is given the same label.  Or it ends of being a subject not talked about at all.  But I guess that's the point.

            S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

            by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:44:52 AM PDT

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            •  The old CT rule was (3+ / 0-)
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              Deep Texan, change the Be, fumie

              "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". I think that makes good sense. Hell, if you have evidence, real evidence of LIHOP or MIHOP you could do a story on it here. If an individual or group really believes there is something amiss with this or any other governmental claim then fine. Go digging. Find the facts. But do that FIRST. Then when you have the story and can back it up put it out there.

              I've got no problems with people saying they want more information. That's their right and maybe even their responsibility in a democracy. But claiming absence of evidence as proof is ridiculous and people pushing those sorts of claims should be treated accordingly.

              As soon as you have people telling other people how to live/think/behave because "god gave them authority" you effectively get dictators in funny looking hats.

              by ontheleftcoast on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:52:48 AM PDT

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            •  your limited understanding of this diary (1+ / 0-)
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              ontheleftcoast

              seems to leave out the framing of the characters who put forward conspiracy theories that Osama bin laden is alive.

              none of those referenced characters in this diary were either informed or sincere truth-seekers. They were a mix of ignorance and haterism.

              if you have theories of your own, and believe them to be valid and unfairly portrayed by me as 'conspiracy', then by all means....

              Share.

              witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

              by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:06:45 PM PDT

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        •  what theory do you believe? (0+ / 0-)

          move from abstract questions and to a specific, concrete explanation of what you believe, and we'll read your opinion.

          witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

          by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:04:42 PM PDT

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          •  I was trying to see what could be discussed (0+ / 0-)

            without being labeled a CTer.  Evidently nothing, so my opinion stays to myself at this time.

            S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

            by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 05, 2011 at 01:09:22 PM PDT

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            •  um.. (0+ / 0-)

              then....why come to this diary and make 4-5 comments ?

              I guess you're just being meta even if the relevancy is unclear.

              witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

              by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 01:30:40 PM PDT

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    •  I would say that "Yes" is a good starting (1+ / 0-)
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      BigAlinWashSt

      point on that.

      Having a policy does not mean receiving care. -- Tzimisce

      by Miggles on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:11:30 AM PDT

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    •  I think the fact that the admin (2+ / 0-)
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      nellgwen, change the Be

      has been immediately correcting factual errors speaks well for transparency and good intentions.

      Had they waited until everyone was thoroughly debriefed to make sure every single detail was correct people would have been screaming about "What are they hiding?"

      FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
      RNC: The only thing we have is fear.

      by smileycreek on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:26:14 AM PDT

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      •  this event was strange, no doubt. (1+ / 0-)
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        smileycreek

        but I don't quite understand why inaccurate details were rushed to the media, especially something as basic as

        "it was an INTENSE firefight", which stokes up all the action-movie lovers out there, versus

        "we killed one amateur courier with a sniper shot, then proceeded into the compound with no actual resistance"

        I don't blame the WH for that, they probably didn't know everything that was going on in the live feed they watched. You just heard gunshots in the Situation Room and saw some muzzle flashes.

        witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

        by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:12:35 PM PDT

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        •  I read that (1+ / 0-)
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          change the Be

          while they followed the raid in real time they weren't actually watching it unfold in real time.

          More like they were watching Panetta on the screen as he gave the moment-by-moment description.

          Sorry; can't find link.

          FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
          RNC: The only thing we have is fear.

          by smileycreek on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:25:35 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. Anyone skeptical of the govt story... (0+ / 0-)

      that bin Laden is dead and sleeping with fishes is a crazy conspiracy theorist.

      Not just crazy, but dumber than a bag of hammers as well.

      I just got my pony - bin Laden dead 05/01/2011

      by LiberalCanuck on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:19:14 PM PDT

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  •  Name the shame (1+ / 0-)
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    If you consider the people they are disrespecting/offending by casting their doubts, i.e. the victims of 9/11 and their families, the members of the military who fought and died looking for him, the intelligence community who doggedly kept up the pursuit, and ultimately the people who risked life and limb to take him down, only one word comes to mind.....traitors.

  •  Oh Cindy. How far hath thou fallen. (3+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, Catte Nappe, FiredUpInCA

    ...blots her name from the sane list...

  •  Got a co-worker who's not so sure... (6+ / 0-)

    ... that bin Laden was actually killed on Sunday.  He thinks bin Laden has been dead for a while, and Obama timed the announcement to preempt the last fifteen minutes of "The Apprentice".

    And, he's not a RW-nut either!  He votes Democratic most of the time.  You should hear him talk about the banks!

    Ah, conspiracies; where would this world be without them?

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Thu May 05, 2011 at 10:49:08 AM PDT

  •  half of my facebook friends think (0+ / 0-)

    half of my facebook friends think he was dead a long time ago (and the video below keeps feeding most of this theory), most of them are lefties and some are independents. just a very few of those think he is not dead,so i think that is not the biggest CT out there . the other half believes the official story. so it is split 50-50.

  •  I actually talked to my CT-inclined friend today. (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, change the Be

    His initial reaction to anything government-released is instant and deep skepticism.  That's just his default mode. He is, however, a rational human being; the type of person who, when faced with evidence, is reality-based. He was immediately suspicious but did his own internet search on the details.

    He didn't doubt for a second that OBL is dead, and doesn't need to see a photograph to prove it to him, saying, "It's not like I knew the guy personally."

    FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
    RNC: The only thing we have is fear.

    by smileycreek on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:13:06 AM PDT

  •  That Sheehan link is crazed! (0+ / 0-)

    > It's also easier just to swallow the lies of the Empire like Monica Lewinsky swallowed Clinton's sperm. It works for me.

    Satire and/or psychoanalysis fails at this point.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Thu May 05, 2011 at 11:16:54 AM PDT

  •  They're in frantic search of ANY conspiracy (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, smileycreek

    Their world has been rocked. . .turns out that Obama is not only competant in matter of politics (they would disagree of course) but he is also a damned competant Commander in Chief.

    And that's the part that really bothers the fuck out of them: they will latch onto any conspiracy at all just so long as they don't have to face the TRUTH.

  •  My future SIL doesn't believe he's dead (1+ / 0-)
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    change the Be

    He thinks the Bush family spirited him off somewhere unknown and are keeping him hid because of "family friendship."

    He also believes in the Illuminati and the crap said about the Masons.

    He's a young man...only 29 but I don't think he has any political leanings.  

  •  I mean, like, wtf, OMG , we like totally like (1+ / 0-)
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    KILLED THE BAD GUY!! WHOOOOO! GIT YER FLAG AND MEET ME IN THE STREETS OF D.C. !!!!

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    ....we only had to invade 2.5 countries (iraq, afghanistan, and half of pakistan) in order to kill the guy actually responsible for 9/11.

    too bad a few hundred thousand innocent people had to die first. But cheering and yelling about OBL's death like some kind of sports game...

    AMERIKA, FUCK YEAH!!!

    good lord.

    witness the GOPranos...rethugs....Paul Wolfowitz: "If they fuck with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to fuck them too."

    by change the Be on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:01:48 PM PDT

  •  A good conspiracy theorist (1+ / 0-)
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    change the Be

    always can account for everything... the grand daddy political CT is, of course, the Illuminati Boogeymen, who 'play both sides, own everything, live on mount Olympus...'

    And yes I have several friends who buy into this one... in the end, they'll have to release the photos, methinks.  Waiting a bit is good thing, though.

    I have one friend who immediately linked this to the 9/11 CT and another who is sure this is all about Obama 2012 and that OBL has been dead for years. That GWB refused to show up today is further 'proof' of the latter... LOL

    'A paranoid has some idea of what is really going on' - From the Quadrophenia Story

    The problem is they only have some idea.

    “The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway” ~ Henry Boye~

    by Terranova0 on Thu May 05, 2011 at 12:39:10 PM PDT

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