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Setti Warren
The Democratic field for an opponent to Scott Brown has been (let's think of a charitable way to say this...) slow to take shape, but it got a little more developed today with the entry of Setti Warren, the mayor of the city of Newton.
Warren, a former aide to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), formally announced in a Monday web video, with a kickoff "service breakfast" scheduled for Tuesday morning.

"Many of you don't know me," a shirtsleeved Warren says at the start of the video, seated on the lawn of the house where he was raised. "I'm probably about as well-known as Scott Brown was at this point two years ago."

Last month's Suffolk poll of MA-Sen certainly proves Warren's point: it showed him losing by the eye-popping margin of 52-9 to Brown, thanks to the fact that no one knows who he is. Regardless of that, though, Warren may have the basis for a leg up on his Dem primary competition so far: Warren has about 80,000 constituents in Newton (an affluent but dark-blue suburb of Boston), which is 80K more than either City Year founder (and 2010 special election primary loser) Alan Khazei or entrepreneur and former LG candidate Bob Massie. He also has considerable upside for the general, at least in terms of his resume: the charismatic Warren, who's 41 years old and often given the 'rising star' seal of approval in the press, is an Iraq War vet, spending a year there as a Navy Intelligence specialist. And his connections to the Kerry camp should provide significant fundraising and organizational support.

Of course, the question remains whether one of the state's U.S. Representatives gets into the race: Mike Capuano and Stephen Lynch may still be interested in the Senate run, but seem to be hanging back based on a) uncertainty about whether or not their districts get better, worse, or eliminated in redistricting and b) the possibility of a second Senate special election happening in 2013, if John Kerry becomes Secretary of State as rumored. Short of an entry from Capuano or another A-lister, though, a roll of the dice with Warren may be as good as it gets here in the Bay State.



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Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Mon May 09, 2011 at 11:58 AM PDT.

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    •  don't be too sure about that 80,000 base in Newton (3+ / 0-)

      a good many of them are not happy about him pulling a Sarah Palin and bagging out in the middle of his first term, leaving them without a mayor while he runs for an office he cannot win.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:31:24 PM PDT

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      •  Then-Gov. Palin said she was resigning... (6+ / 0-)

        Because the media was so mean to her and her job was so hard. She proceeded to get a job on FOX News.

        Mayor Warren is running because Sen. Scott Brown's voting record is a disservice to Massachusetts and no other viable Democrats are stepping up.

        Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

        by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:35:04 PM PDT

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      •  Could you perhaps be biased? (5+ / 0-)

        19, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus, male, Dem, (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

        by ndrwmls10 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:37:51 PM PDT

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        •  yes, I'm biased. i think my candidate is better! (2+ / 0-)
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          eigenlambda, dhshoops

          and 80,000 is the entire population of Newton, which includes a lot of children and non voters.  Setti's real base in Newton is the 11,000 who voted for him.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

          by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:06:29 PM PDT

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          •  I could care less about his base. (2+ / 0-)
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            SaoMagnifico, terjeanderson

            I will wait to see how he is received by the people Massachusetts. Also what exactly is Massie's base? I like the man, but he has gone nowhere, fast.

            19, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus, male, Dem, (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

            by ndrwmls10 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:09:05 PM PDT

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            •  nowhere fast? we're all just getting started! (0+ / 0-)

              his base is not an easily definable group, but they are the kind of activists who get involved early and help sway other voters.  People who have been around the political block in Massachusetts a long time and remember 1994 like it was yesterday.

              Setti is a media darling and will get a big bump off his declaration.  If he does not make too many rookie mistakes he will be in good shape at the end of the year when the debates get underway.

              "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
              I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

              by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:47:55 PM PDT

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          •  That's more people... (1+ / 0-)
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            terjeanderson

            Than have voted for Massie in the past 16 years.

            Could Democrats have a stronger candidate? Yes, of course. But no Kennedy looks set to enter, the congressmen are all sitting on their hands until after redistricting (and I think it will be Rep. Olver or Rep. Tierney whose seat gets redistricted out of existence), and no other declared or publicly considering candidate has gotten as much media buzz as Mayor Warren. Warren is also the only candidate in the race to hold public office (though Conroy, who is considering but not declared, is a state representative).

            I think we have to look at this pragmatically, and while you're certainly welcome to your preferences, I don't see a convincing argument that Massie or anyone else who is currently in this race is stronger than Warren or likelier to win the nomination. We generally shy away from cheerleading here, except for Democrats or progressive independents in general elections; I think it inhibits the quality of analysis.

            Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

            by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:15:22 PM PDT

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            •  I understand SSP/DKE is not about cheerleading (1+ / 0-)
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              Jeff Y

              and I could make my cheerleading points without mentioning my candidate if I chose, but his name is in my sig so that would be disingenuous.

              I am just tired of seeing Democrats choose people to run for office whose qualifications look good on paper but who don't have campaign skills.  Coakley is just the latest example of this.  I'm still smarting from Kerry and Gore and Dukakis at the presidential level.

              If national strategists have followed SSP to Daily Kos, I want them to think twice about how we choose candidates nationwide.  The Republicons choose their candidates for their appeal as candidates, even if they don't seem to have the qualifications we respect, and they are beating our intelligent well-qualified candidates who trip over their own shoelaces on the campaign trail.

              Deval Patrick and Barack Obama, two people I supported early when they were asterisk polling long shots, had the qualifications AND the campaign chops.  Dems need to find more candidates like that as we roll into 2012.  This election is too important to put in the hands of newbies.

              "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
              I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

              by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:31:52 PM PDT

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            •  betting others aren't running (2+ / 0-)
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              BobBlueMass, The Caped Composer

              Capuano, Lynch don't seem to want to bite.  Mass. Dems. may have to go with a newcomer - but good really good newcomer - and get behind that candidate.   The Party is in disarray  in Mass - just let a bill pass the state House of Reps that limits collective bargaining.  

              We began the mess that cascaded throughout the country and leading to the Nov. 2010 elections and we need to clean it up by defeating Scott Brown.

      •  Newton will not vote for Scott Brown (1+ / 0-)
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        terjeanderson

        We were all pretty upset when we first heard that Setti might run, by people have either settled down or admit that if he's the Democratic candidate, they'll vote for him.   The tea party funded Brown will have a difficult time defending his voting record in this state.

        Also, there's also a tape of Brown asking David Koch for a campaign donation.  This guy played the moderate to get a full term, but I'd expect a full fledged turn to the right if he's elected to a full term.

        •  Does the average voter know of or care about (1+ / 0-)
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          jncca

          David Koch?

          A politician asking for money?! Shocker.

        •  this is a VERY important angle, jofr (0+ / 0-)

          PLEASE keep repeating that to every voter you talk to!

          Brown pretended to be a moderate to win the special election, but we should expect a full fledged turn to the right if he's elected to a full term and we'd be stuck with him until January 2019.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

          by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:44:44 AM PDT

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          •  agree and disagree (1+ / 0-)
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            TrueBlueMajority

            Agreed that we keep our eyes on the prize and get rid of Brown who will take a full fledged turn to the right if he's elected to a full term.  This is our one chance to get rid of him  

            In Mass. Democratic circles, people are pretty politically aware and know  that Scott Brown was heavily funded by out of state Tea Party money and aren't happy about it.  That was my point.  

            •  i talked to a woman just last night (0+ / 0-)

              who is a delegate to the Mass Democratic State convention who went on and on about how much she liked Scott Brown (!!!) and how he "wasn't a real Republican" and how the (Republican) party did not support him during the special election.

              This woman is a frakking DELEGATE to the state convention who says "she always votes Democratic" but she believed a whole bunch of hooey she had been told about Scott Brown and has been completely bamboozled by his occasional strategic votes with Dems.

              When I gave her my line above she said she did not believe he would turn to the right if elected to a full term.  Basically she has completely drunk the media koolaid that even the Boston Globe is pushing about Brown.  It was disheartening.

              So let's not rest too assured on the idea that people are pretty politically aware in MA Democratic circles :-D

              "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
              I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

              by TrueBlueMajority on Fri May 13, 2011 at 09:11:41 AM PDT

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  •  If none of the House Reps are brave enough (10+ / 0-)

    to run now, they don't deserve a senate seat.

    "Intolerance is something which belongs to the religions we have rejected." - J.J. Rousseau -6.38, -4.15

    by James Allen on Mon May 09, 2011 at 12:02:45 PM PDT

  •  Clearly, the race will be an uphill climb (2+ / 0-)
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    terjeanderson, suzq

    But I think he would be a better candidate than any of the House reps.

  •  At least somebody is in (7+ / 0-)

    He sounds like a suitable challenger. Brown is going to have a race once he actually has to take a solid stance on issues and discuss them.

  •  I'll give Setti Warren this much... (3+ / 0-)
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    James Allen, dc1000, itskevin

    He'll defeat Alan Khazei and Bob Massie in the primary and probably out-perform them in the general, too. That being said, I still think Brown would beat him by at least high single-digits.

    D - 42
    I - 39
    R - 19

    Brown - 24/67/98 = 55%
    Warren - 76/33/2 - 45%

    This does highlight, however, the magic Brown needs to work to win re-election. I'm projecting 1/4 of Dems, 2/3 of Indies and almost 100 percent of Republicans to vote for him. If the Democratic nominee can merely shore-up the base, he or she should win.

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    by andyroo312 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 12:07:54 PM PDT

    •  I think a rout like this is unlikely (5+ / 0-)
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      James Allen, TofG, itskevin, Ann T Bush, xcave

      PPP in Dec. had Brown's approval at 35/41 with Democrats, and 61/25.  Have to imagine these are high water marks...

      Also does 98/2 with a voter group ever happen?

      Brown 18/60/92 = 48.4
      Warren 80/36/6 = 48.8

      All Warren has to do is perform at those numbers or better to win, and I think that's completely doable if he can raise the funds to compete with Brown on air, combined with Obama at the top of the ticket.

    •  It also highlights (3+ / 0-)
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      TofG, wbayasIII, terjeanderson

      the magic a Democratic opponent needs to conjure up in order to beat Brown, given his standing among independents and conservative Dems.

      I get the feeling that if Brown loses, it will be thanks to being swamped by Obama - not to say that our candidate doesn't matter, but I'm not sure we can unring the popularity bell at this point.  People like Scott Brown and he has shown that he has political ability to stay in the good graces of Massachusetts' centrists.  I can't imagine anything will happen in the next year that would throw him off.

      •  remember, Brown did not win by very much (0+ / 0-)

        in a special election where people were not paying attention.

        In a presidential year when Dems are trying to re-elect President Obama (well, most of us are), Brown faces a very different numbers game.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:59:36 PM PDT

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        •  Excuse me? (3+ / 0-)
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          terjeanderson, dc1000, jncca

          He beat the Democrat by nearly 5 points in a special election whose turnout was nearly identical to that of the 2006 election in which Ted Kennedy won his final term.

          Not to mention constant news coverage and the entire galaxy of Democratic stars -- including President Obama -- coming in to campaign for his opponent.

          Whatever else was going on, Massachusetts voters were paying attention.

          To pretend otherwise goes beyond mere spin to delusion.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Tue May 10, 2011 at 04:15:04 AM PDT

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          •  ordinary Dems who are not political junkies (0+ / 0-)

            and only turn out in presidential years thought there was no need to vote.  Up until the very last minute, even with the President's visit.  Even people here at dKos who thought they knew better kept saying it was in the bag because there are twice as many Ds and Rs in Massachusetts.  I was one of the few people pointing out that there are even more independents than Dems and that enthusiasm on the Republican side was going to make R-learning independents turn out in droves.

            Casual Dems stayed home thinking the weather was bad and there was no way a Repub would win "Teddy's" seat.

            But I do not think Brown can win in an election with presidential level turnout.  Especially now that he is a known quantity who will be attacked in the media by all our good Democrats.

            "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
            I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

            by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 10, 2011 at 05:52:31 AM PDT

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            •  He's certainly vulnerable. (2+ / 0-)
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              TrueBlueMajority, dc1000

              He's likable and politically smart.  But he's in a state that really doesn't agree with Republicans on many issues.  The DSCC should be running ads against him constantly -- one issue or particular vote per week.  "Scott Brown is a nice guy, but he's still a Republican, and he votes like one when it counts...."  See how fast his favorables drop.  (Alternatively, see how much easier it becomes to get him to break ranks on high-profile votes.  That wouldn't be a bad outcome either).

              I'm special. Everyone is.

              by lilnev on Tue May 10, 2011 at 08:47:00 AM PDT

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            •  At first I thought you lived in MA... (1+ / 0-)
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              Barbie02360

              And then I read your comment and am left wondering...

              Every voter was bombarded with TV ads, phone calls, door knocks, paid media blitzes. It was impossible for voters not to see that this was a competitive race.

              The reality is that everyone knew how important this race was, but it all came down to motivation. The average voter who supported Coakley did not feel the pull to brave the weather and vote for her, even if it was important - while the Brown people were so enthusiastic that no amount of snow could deter them.

              I am not surprised DKos people thought it was in the bag (and I'll admit, I am only on this site now because SSP migrated here)...but that shouldn't be surprising that non-residents didn't know what was going on. Here in MA though, I repeat, it was impossible for the average voter not to know what was happening.

              •  now we have found a place to agree (0+ / 0-)
                The average voter who supported Coakley did not feel the pull to brave the weather and vote for her, even if it was important - while the Brown people were so enthusiastic that no amount of snow could deter them.

                and part of the reason they did not brave the weather was because the ad blitz did not persuade the casual voter that the Republican actually had a chance to win.  Ad blitzes happen for every election.  They mean less to casual voters than you think.  In fact, people have a way of tuning them out.

                Impossible for voters not to see this was a competitive race?  I talked to lots of people who did not even know there was an election that day.  I talked to lots of people who thought the primary was the election and Coakley had already won, because of well meaning news reports that said "the winner of the Democratic primary is likely to win the special election" or words that effect.  I talked to people after the election was over and Brown had won who said they thought the election was going to be later/in march/in November/any of a number of crazy other times.  Average voters who did not know what was happening.  Average voters who can barely manage to vote in midterm elections, much less a special election in January in a sleetstorm.

                I do live in MA and have been involved in MA politics for decades.  Not only with activists, but with keeping a finger on the pulse of casual voters who do not follow elections as closely as we do in Left Blogistan.  If Dems do not spend more time trying to understand those people, we will never learn how to motivate them and get them to the polls.

                "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:37:44 AM PDT

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          •  Brown won against (1+ / 0-)
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            Barbie02360

            a terrible candidate who made fatal mistakes after her primary win.  By the time the major players arrived to try to save her, Martha Coakley was done.

            Everyone's favorite MC quote 2/3 weeks before the election when people complained she wasn't working hard enough:  "What do you want me to do? Stand out in the cold in front of Fenway park shaking hands?"  Seriously.  People were watching the news, but there were no boots on the ground, no phone banking, etc.  It was bad - a major wake up call to the Mass. Dem. party.  

            •  don't forget (0+ / 0-)

              her campaign's internal polling was literally leaked on a daily basis.

              21, male, RI-01 (voting)/IL-01 (college), hopeless Swingnut

              by sapelcovits on Tue May 10, 2011 at 08:03:41 PM PDT

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            •  for non MA residents (0+ / 0-)

              that quote was in reference to a HUGE sports event in January 2010--the first NHL game ever played at Fenway Park.  Yes, Fenway Park--an outdoor hockey rink was constructed covering most of the infield.

              It was the hottest ticket in town.  Everyone who was anyone was there.  All the politicians with common sense were there, including Deval Patrick, whose election wasn't for ten more months.  But Coakley skipped it, even though it would have been great local color optics, and it was less than three weeks before the special election.

              When people asked Coakley why she wasn't there, she said the famous quote.  So fcuking clueless.

              Then THREE DAYS before the election she followed that up with the Schilling quote.  it was all over.

              "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
              I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

              by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 06:32:23 PM PDT

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      •  Lots of people unhappy with Brown (0+ / 0-)

        This is a very liberal state.  He won because he ran against a terrible candidate that none of us could really get behind.

    •  100% for Brown? I thought teabaggers were (1+ / 0-)
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      itskevin

      disillusioned with him.

    •  If Mayor Warren can make inroads there... (1+ / 0-)
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      terjeanderson

      He can win, obviously.

      I do think he can hold Sen. Scott Brown to under 20% of Democrats and under 60% of independents, and I wouldn't be surprised if a conservative/libertarian third-party or independent challenger siphons off some Republicans from Brown (though I'm not counting on it).

      Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

      by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 03:35:36 PM PDT

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    •  we'll see how Setti does in the primary (1+ / 0-)
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      eigenlambda

      he knows nothing about statewide politics.

      he's getting a late start for someone who knows nothing about statewide politics.

      several senior people in the Massachusetts Democratic party have asked him not to run so he will be fighting an uphill battle with some of the key movers and shakers in the state.

      and if he thinks I'm going to vote for him because he and I are both black, he's got another think coming.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:26:03 PM PDT

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    •  Mass. Dems are kicking themselves (1+ / 0-)
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      terjeanderson

      for being complacent in January 2010.  Look to the Nov. 2010 numbers for a better idea about where Dems stand now.

  •  Not the Warren I'd like to see run (3+ / 0-)

    but nice to see some serious candidates start to step up. Hoping that Setti Warren (or Massie or Khazei) turns out to have what it takes

    I still think Elizabeth Warren would be the right candidate to take on Brown.

    Once social change begins,it cannot be reversed. You cannot uneducate the person who has learned to read...You cannot oppress people who are not afraid anymore.

    by terjeanderson on Mon May 09, 2011 at 12:11:58 PM PDT

    •  Really? (12+ / 0-)

      I'd much rather see her as the head of a business watchdog agency where she has actual authority than as 1 of 100 senators.

    •  Ick...that's like if Reich was the '02 Gov nominee (1+ / 0-)
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      TrueBlueMajority

      She's beloved by progressives, but the middle will wind up flocking to Brown's re-election.

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      by andyroo312 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 02:48:44 PM PDT

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      •  Not at all (1+ / 0-)
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        eigenlambda

        Her strength as a candidate has nothing to do with her place on the ideological spectrum or support from progressives. She is actually a no flaming leftist.

        But her potential appeal comes from the fact that she is able to take complex fiscal issues and put them in plain "kitchen table" language that people understand. Unlike most policy wonks or ideologues, she knows how to frame things in a way that makes sense to regular people.  

        Her style would be disarming in a debate, accessible on the campaign trail, and capable of reaching independent voters.

        I don't know where you get the idea that she is the equivalent of Robert Reich in terms of potential political appeal - my sense is that she has greater potential than any other candidate being discussed in the race (admitting that I don't know how Setti Warren stacks up on that regard...)

        Once social change begins,it cannot be reversed. You cannot uneducate the person who has learned to read...You cannot oppress people who are not afraid anymore.

        by terjeanderson on Mon May 09, 2011 at 04:28:25 PM PDT

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        •  Like Reich, she's an uncharasmatic policy wonk (2+ / 0-)
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          DCCyclone, TrueBlueMajority

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          by andyroo312 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 04:41:01 PM PDT

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          •  Yup, she is an echo chamber pick (5+ / 0-)

            There's nothing about her that attracts voters outside the hardcore Democratic base.  There's probably also nothing about her to piss off voters outside that hardcore base.  But those voters won't pick her over Brown simply for that.

            If Elizabeth Warren were such a great candidate and chose to run, she'd certainly win the primary.  I don't see any reasonable argument that she could win a primary against anyone with any stature at all, even at the local level like Setti Warren.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Mon May 09, 2011 at 06:05:49 PM PDT

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            •  and another thing (4+ / 0-)

              AFAIK Warren has never run for anything. And likely will make tons of newbie rookie dumb campaign mistakes (just like most newbie rookies do). And this the major leagues- the Senate. Not some minor league gig like state rep or school board or something.
              Against a proven good smart pol like Brown I'd like to have an experienced campaigner

              •  what homerun said (1+ / 0-)
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                eigenlambda

                that is one of many reasons I am supporting Bob Massie.  Of the people running or being mentioned he is the only one who has ever won a statewide primary before; the only one who has a broad network of support among Democrats and progressive activists inside and outside the commonwealth; and the least likely to make temperament mistakes, messaging mistakes or the other kind of rookie mistakes that these first-timers don't even know they are in for when the bright national spotlight turns on this election.

                "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:38:00 PM PDT

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                •  But he's never... (5+ / 0-)

                  Been elected to public office. Nor has Khazei. Mayor Warren has.

                  Massie hasn't even run for anything in over 16 years, IIRC, and his fundraising thus far has been anemic. I think he seems like a great guy, but an election-winner? I don't see it.

                  And Warren, like it or not, is going to get substantial support from black donors nationwide as one of the only African Americans seeking the Senate next year. I think that will far outweigh Massie's "broad network", as will the fact that the media actually reports on Warren. Massie got a couple days' worth of coverage when he announced and virtually nada since.

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                  by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:51:11 PM PDT

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                •  Dude, seriously, we get that you like Bob Massie (3+ / 0-)

                  That doesn't mean that you need to comment on how he's the GREATEST! every time anyone says anything positive about another candidate.

                  •  I hear you, and I have apologized (0+ / 0-)

                    for violating the expectations of SSP/DKE diaries.

                    Yes I think my candidate is better, but I will not use these diaries to say so.  It's a big blog and I can share my opinions elsewhere if this is not the place to discuss the relative merits of candidates.

                    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:07:09 AM PDT

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                •  I like that analogy (1+ / 0-)
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                  I heard Massie say this same thing on the stump before:

                  Of the people running or being mentioned he is the only one who has ever won a statewide primary before

                  ...I'm pretty sure Martha Coakley can say the same thing...

                  •  true, Martha Coakley can say the same thing (0+ / 0-)

                    if she had been the kind of candidate who knew how to campaign, she would have built on that base instead of sitting on her lead.

                    then she'd be in the Senate now and we wouldn't even be having this conversation because we'd all be working for her re-election.

                    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:08:55 AM PDT

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                •  So... (0+ / 0-)

                  ... let me guess, Alan Khazei has all sorts of faults too?  This kind of cheerleading is a huge turnoff, c'mon.  

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                  by MattFromVermont on Tue May 10, 2011 at 05:00:34 PM PDT

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                  •  OK, I get it (0+ / 0-)

                    these SSP/DKE diaries are not the place for discussing the relative merits of candidates.

                    i have apologized and will stick to the community norms on this point in the future.

                    yes Khazei has faults.  for that matter, Massie does too.  We all have faults!  But some of us have faults that are more politically problematic than others.

                    As long as Dem activists remain blind to this, and pretend that every voter is a political junkie who makes voting decisions based on a thorough and serious consideration of the issues, we will never understand the difference between the kind of faults that voters are willing to overlook, and the kind of faults that make voters choose someone else.

                    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:14:08 AM PDT

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              •  After watching Patty Wetterling run for MN-06 (1+ / 0-)
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                twice, I am pretty hesitant on backing political rookies for federal office. Wetterling, also had a great story, and experience in public speaking. And she got just hammered in both of her races due to her inexperience. Elizabeth Warren seems like she would suffer from the same problems.

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                by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:04:56 PM PDT

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    •  Elizabeth Warren might make a fine Senator (0+ / 0-)

      but there is no evidence that she knows anything at all about campaigning or Massachusetts politics, and this election is too important for a learn-as-you-go candidate.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:34:36 PM PDT

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      •  28% loss for Lt Gov isn't exactly a stellar record (0+ / 0-)

        With all due respect for Bob Massie (who I know and like), pulling 28% as the candidate for Lt Gov on a losing Democratic ticket (in one of the most Democratic states in the country) 17 years ago doesn't exactly stack up being all that impressive evidence of knowing all that much about campaigning or Massachusetts politics either. I think he'd be a fine Senator, and might even end up supporting him depending on who ultimately runs in the primary - but arguing that his one previous losing election outing somehow makes him the most skilled politician in the field is really pushing it.

        I'm not going to do what you're doing here and post endlessly about why I think my candidate is the best. But I will point out that Elizabeth Warren is already extremely skilled in media appearances - more than any candidate currently being discussed (including the members of Congress), she knows how to make a TV appearance, how to deliver a sound bite, how to turn a phrase to help people get a complex point. What is more impressive is that she is able to do that when talking about the kind of complex financial issues that invariably has other political figures lapse into meaningless lingo. She makes these big issues real in terms of how they affect family finances and real people's lives. That demonstrates a political savvy and ability to get a message out that would make her an extremely formidable candidate, able to reach out and relate to independent voters, working class and middle class voters.

        Sadly, I doubt that she'll end up running, and as a result the Mass Democratic Party won't be putting forward the strongest possible candidate. Hopefully one of the other possibilities will emerge and prove to be able to give Brown the competition it will take to beat him. At the moment I'm still looking for that candidate.

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        by terjeanderson on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:04:27 PM PDT

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  •  Horrible polling aside, I consider Brown to (8+ / 0-)

    be much weaker then the conventional wisdom seems to indicate. There are just too many Democrats in Mass to even expect Brown to be the favorite. It's like thinking a Democrat would have a strong chance against Barrasso or Crapo.

    Warren can clearly win if he runs a strong campaign.

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    by tigercourse on Mon May 09, 2011 at 12:19:03 PM PDT

  •  I wish Joe Kennedy would run. (4+ / 0-)
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    A recent Poll had Joe running only 5% behind Brown.
    If Kennedy had run for Governor in 2002 we might not have created the Romney monster.
    I think he's clearly the right person to take of the Kennedy seat.

  •  Well... (7+ / 0-)

    Barney Frank won't be happy...

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    by nycyoungin on Mon May 09, 2011 at 12:29:01 PM PDT

  •  Sounds pretty good. (3+ / 0-)
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    I just hope he's the guy we need for this.

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    by KingofSpades on Mon May 09, 2011 at 01:08:34 PM PDT

  •  Not bad (4+ / 0-)

    I would still prefer one of the Congressmen to run though.

    Letting Brown get entrenched would be a shame in a state as blue as Mass. Look at what happened up in Maine. You have to squash the Republicans in blue states ASAP before they can make their image permanently 'moderate'.

  •  I'm pessimisic about (0+ / 0-)

    this with Warren as our candidate. Brown will romp him among blue collar Boston Democrats, and likely do very well in Worcester as well.

    "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread". -Alexnader Pope

    by ArkDem14 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 01:43:25 PM PDT

    •  I think you underestimate strength of vet status (1+ / 0-)
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      Warren's distinguished record of military service will help him with blue collar Democrats. I also suspect that Brown declared after receiving assurance that Mike Capuano would stay out of the race.

      Note: I was Quiller on SSP

      •  It depends if (0+ / 0-)

        the Menino machine comes in behind him at full force.

        "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread". -Alexnader Pope

        by ArkDem14 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 03:52:25 PM PDT

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        •  the Menino machine only works in Boston (1+ / 0-)
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          the commonwealth is much bigger than that, otherwise we would never have elected Romney, or Brown himself, for that matter.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

          by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:43:51 PM PDT

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          •  Coakley lost mainly (3+ / 0-)

            because the Menino machine sat on their ass.

            "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread". -Alexnader Pope

            by ArkDem14 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:04:32 PM PDT

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            •  Some SSPer said (3+ / 0-)
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              that, contrary to our assertions, the MA Dem Party had NO cohesive machine structure prior to Brown's win because they took every win for granted.  After Brown's win, they dusted off the cobwebs and got the turnout machines working again and that is why they swept statewide offices in 2010 (even the flawed Dem Auditor candidate, Suzanne Bump, was pulled over the finish line by the machine) and won key State Senate races including Tisei's seat.

              Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo! So little time, so much to know!

              by KingofSpades on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:11:27 PM PDT

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              •  definitely not true (4+ / 0-)

                It was Deval Patrick who revitalized that Dem machine statewide, with a MA version of the 50 state strategy.

                Before Deval, most Dems concentrated their campaigning in the Boston area and other Dem strongholds.  Deval went out to the Western part of the state.  He went to the North and South Shore.  He went to the Cape.  He went to other Republican strongholds.  He not only campaigned there, he networked there and revitalized interest in the  Democratic party among people who were dispirited because they were surrounded by Republicans.  That's how Deval won the primary and that's how he won the State House.

                So the Deval organizing machine has a lot more pull and power than Menino has once you get outside of Boston.  But like many others he didn't realize it was needed for Coakley until it was too late.

                And by the way I've met Suzanne Bump and like her and was an early supporter of hers.  Guy Glodis, who ran in the primary against her, had a lot of money and a seemingly overwhelming number of volunteers--his people were everywhere.  The Menino machine may have helped Bump win the general election, but in the primary it was Barney Frank and other elected Dems who made the case for Bump, and her primary win was definitely a surprise after Glodis had been pumped up as the favorite for months.  She also did everything a white candidate has to do to get credibility in the Black community.  So since we are talking about a primary situation here, some of that info may be still relevant.

                And I do not automatically assume that Gov. Patrick will be supporting Setti Warren.  I doubt if he will endorse anyone during the primary stage of the campaign.

                "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:33:03 PM PDT

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                •  Oh, ok. (2+ / 0-)
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                  That does make sense and explains why the Dems had a dry spell in electing Dem Governors until Deval Patrick.

                  Also, I was not saying Bump was a bad, lousy candidate.  I was saying that she was probably the candidate least likely to win due to the fact that she was new to the scene and the Auditor seat was open for the first time in decades, creating a vacuum that the GOP tried to take advantage of, but lost.  Also, there was a Green Party candidate who almost spoiled it.  If not for that candidate, Bump would likely have gotten over 50%.

                  Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo! So little time, so much to know!

                  by KingofSpades on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:41:40 PM PDT

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                •  Keep drinking the kool-aid (0+ / 0-)

                  So Deval Patrick revitalized the machine? I guess that is why he delivered Massachusetts in the 2008 Prez Primary to Obama...

                  There was no machine prior to 2010. Deval built a grassroots organization from scratch, but it was not part of the Dem machine, nor was it anything close to being a machine.

                  However, I will give Patrick credit. While he did not build a machine in 2006, he did in 2010. He went to incredible lengths to work with other state-wide and local candidates to build a coordinated campaign for the first time. This IS what helped pull crap candidates like Suzanne Bump across the finish line.

                  •  Hillary won the MA primary because she got started (0+ / 0-)

                    lonnng before Patrick was elected.  She had a lot of local activists pledged to her very early and it was too late for anyone to play catch up.

                    and what do people have against Suzanne Bump?  I never heard any of this criticism about her before yesterday.

                    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 10, 2011 at 06:46:14 PM PDT

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                    •  Proving there was no machine (0+ / 0-)

                      Doesn't that prove my point that Deval did not build any type of lasting machine from his 2006 election?

                      Obama had the support of Governor Patrick and both US Senators John Kerry and Ted Kennedy! And Hillary still won. If there was a machine in MA prior to 2010, then shouldn't Obama have won?? After all, a machine must have a leader, and God knows that if a Massachusetts Machine existed prior to 2010 then it would have been led by one of the three prominent Dems in the state (all of whom supported Obama).

                      Re: Bump. There is a reason that of all state-wide Dems she performed the poorest. Her tax issues, lack of charisma, abrasiveness, apparent lack of class (given her uneccessary swing at her predecessor this week - a man who endorsed her in the primary and turned her into a legitimate candidate!).

                      The election for auditor was an opportunity to build our farm team. Instead, Democrats saw three lack-luster candidates in the primary, and selected the least offensive.

                      •  Hillary had lined up her support before 2006 (0+ / 0-)

                        way before 2006.

                        the Patrick, Kennedy and Kerry endorsements did not sway people away from commitments they had already made to Hillary (at the activist/machine level).

                        endorsements persuade the undecided--they rarely change the minds of the already committed.

                        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:20:16 AM PDT

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                      •  and the two times I talked to Suzanne Bump (0+ / 0-)

                        she did not seem charisma challenged to me.  Maybe I caught her on a good day.

                        And as for her swing at her predecessor, people who know what a State Auditor is supposed to do agree that DeNucci was doing a substandard job and deserves to be criticized for it.

                        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:25:29 AM PDT

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                        •  Ahhh... (0+ / 0-)

                          You're telling me you have only ever heard our State Auditor speak twice??

                          Politics is the art of addition, not subtraction. A good politician doesn't take a swing at someone if they don't have to/if it doesn't win them any friends. Even a half-witted politician doesn't swing at the man (now out of politics and known for being low key anyways) who legitimized her candidacy.

                          •  send me the quote where she "swung at him" (0+ / 0-)

                            she criticized his work, which was objectively terrible.  i did not see any report of her criticizing him personally.

                            "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                            I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                            by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 02:32:15 PM PDT

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                          •  Why criticize someone when you don't have to? (0+ / 0-)
                            DeNucci said he was surprised by Bump’s announcement.

                            “It’s a lot of form over substance,” DeNucci said. “My reports and findings have stood up to any challenges and have been supported by strong evidence always. I am very proud of the quality and integrity of the work of my office during my 24-year tenure.”

                            DeNucci estimated his office issued more than 5,000 audits, secured hundreds of millions of dollars in savings and made recommendations to produce more efficient government operations.

                            “I came out for her and I thought she’d be a good auditor and I guess she wants to do her own thing and fine,” DeNucci said, speculating that Bump may be interested in running for higher office.

                            What Bump did was go out of her way to insult the work of DeNucci. Were Bump a gifted politician she would have announced her improvements, while avoiding criticisms of the previous office holder.

                            Do I think DeNucci was great? no. Even good? maybe. But the reality is that you don't burn a bridge when you don't have to. She did; and she did it in a high profile way. Furthermore, DeNucci was the Golden-gate bridge of Bump's political success this past September - a bridge far too important to burn just for a louzy headline.

                          •  ok but where did she criticize him personally? (0+ / 0-)

                            your blockquote is a self-serving announcement by DeNucci himself.  his reports and findings have stood up to any challenges?  have been supported by strong evidence?  did you go to the link in my comment?

                            ...now that DeNucci has retired, a report by the National State Auditors Association revealed deep, widespread problems during his tenure.

                            The report’s conclusions were devastating: In 12 of 15 audits of other state agencies, DeNucci’s team failed to check sufficiently for fraud, or risk of fraud. The report also found that he had no minimum hiring standards and inadequate training, and that some of his audits lacked proper documentation. There were also no conflict-of-interest disclosures by auditors in some cases, a crucial safeguard that was apparently ignored. The report covered the final 18 months of DeNucci’s tenure, but there’s plenty of reason to believe that things were just as bad before then: State auditors are supposed to submit to a review of their procedures every three years, but DeNucci hadn’t done so for 15 years.

                            [snip]

                            Over 24 years, DeNucci took pride in never firing anyone. Bump, after the report, fired 27 people and demoted another 12. Even more significantly, she has shifted the priorities of the office, seeking to use its expertise to provide meaningful information to lawmakers. Her measured assessment last month of the costs of tax breaks to certain industries was a good sign; currently, she is reviewing the public-defender system.

                            For her good work, Bump got tagged by DeNucci as an ingrate. The former auditor said of his successor, “I’m hearing she wants to run for governor some day, so good luck to her.’’ It’s a revealing comment, as if elected officials only perform in a professional manner out of higher ambition. For 24 years, DeNucci was content to stay in the background, making very few waves. He’s lucky to have gotten out when he did.

                            so where did she criticize him personally?  she did good work.  he didn't.  he's taking it personally that she's correcting his mistakes.

                            your subject line makes no sense in this context.  "Why criticize someone when you don't have to?"  What does that mean?  She should have done a bad job and retained all the poor employees and continued the substandard practices just so DeNucci wouldn't look bad by comparison and get his fee fees hurt?

                            "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                            I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                            by TrueBlueMajority on Thu May 12, 2011 at 08:44:27 PM PDT

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              •  The missing Mass. machine (0+ / 0-)

                the best one I ever saw in action had little to do with the official structure of the Dem Party.  However, I had a ringside seat to watch the Kennedy organization save John Kerry's chestnuts when Bill Weld ran against him in 1996.  Now there was an organization, the Kennedy machine knew what they were doing.  But with the Kennedys now truly gone, so is the organization.    Very few spring chickens were left among them anymore, anyway.

                Republicans are going to win many more races in Mass. with the Kennedy machine defunct.

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                by ActivistGuy on Mon May 09, 2011 at 11:17:27 PM PDT

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              •  good assessment of the situation (0+ / 0-)
            •  And also because... (2+ / 0-)

              She took the election for granted. Same reason then-Reps. Bean, Hare, Ortiz, and Oberstar were wiped out last year.

              Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

              by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:17:18 PM PDT

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            •  Her saying Curt Schilling was a Yankees Fan (3+ / 0-)

              didn't help her out either.

            •  Coakley is the KKT of MA (3+ / 0-)
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              Her loss to Brown mirrors KKT's humiliating defeat to Bob Ehrlich in 2002. KKT was the Lt. Governor of MD running to replace outgoing incumbent Parris Glendnening. Like Coakely she took the race for granted, didn't run much of a campaign, and didn't respond to her opponent until it was too late. The Democratic establishment didn't like her either.

          •  When will this Zombie myth die? (3+ / 0-)
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            Coakley lost because she was an awful candidate who ran a horrible campaign.

      •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

        who declared after receiving assurance that Capuano would stay out of the race?

        and has Capuano decided to stay out of the race?  If true, that's news to me.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:05:03 PM PDT

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        •  Like Capuano, but (0+ / 0-)

          He made an unfortunate mistake at a rally in support of Wisconsin public employees.  It was really just a bad choice of words,  but it's video that would be replayed over and over.  i suspect he knows the mistake hurt him.  He's made no public move to indicate he'll run.

          As I said, I like him a lot, supported him in the primary when he ran against Coakley.

          •  I think Capuano is still considering it (1+ / 0-)
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            he's the biggest name left out of the potential candidates being discussed, and he knows it.

            because he's a big name, he does not have to declare as early as the candidates who need to bolster their name recognition.

            so he could wait until late summer and still get into the race with a decent shot of getting major support.

            I am not writing him off yet, but it is true that he has not made any obvious indications of running lately.

            I don't remember the wisconsin gaffe getting much coverage here.  and i think it is easily explained away as rhetorical passion about the cause.

            "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
            I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

            by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 10, 2011 at 06:50:11 AM PDT

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      •  Warren did well in blue collar (0+ / 0-)

        People think everyone in Newton is wealthy, but it's actually economically quite diverse.  Three out of 8 wards have a significant blue collar presence.  Warren did better in those wards than in the wealthier ones.

    •  Well MA did elect Deval Patrick, who (2+ / 0-)
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      is Black.

  •  Despite its length (4+ / 0-)
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    I though the video was pretty good. He demonstrates his connection to the community, his experience, his values, and also pulls the nice "Scott Brown's an honorable man but..."

    I think he could win, depending on too many variables at this point. It's just too early to know. And I'm sure whoever is odd man out in the House redistricting will run so it ought to be an interesting primary.

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    by GeoffreyVS on Mon May 09, 2011 at 02:18:36 PM PDT

  •  No chance (0+ / 0-)

    Khazei has it in the bag. Expect a 54-33-13 rout over Massie and Warren.

    50, straight white male, Democrat(Dan Boren/Gene Taylor 2012!), AL-7(born in AL-5), SSP: Merlin

    by MerlinBMX on Mon May 09, 2011 at 02:28:13 PM PDT

  •  I think Setti Warren has (7+ / 0-)

    really proven his potential in this role out. I really underestimated  him. I think if he shows his chops in the primaries and wins, then he has a pretty good shot at taking out Brown. He is a military man, has a beautiful family, and isn't pretentious. That will go along way to appealing to those "Brown" Democrats.

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    by ndrwmls10 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 05:33:25 PM PDT

  •  I can't believe Setti is 40 years old. (2+ / 0-)
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    He has such a baby face. While his introduction video was long, it was also very good. He appears to have charisma and he'll be running in a general alongside Barack Obama. I have to think that would help him against Brown.

    President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

    by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 05:59:30 PM PDT

    •  The optics of a joint campaign appearance... (1+ / 0-)
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      Would be very good for appealing to voters in a state that gave then-Sen. Obama almost 62% of the vote in 2008.

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      by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:16:45 PM PDT

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      •  he's got to win the primary first (1+ / 0-)
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        and it's highly unlikely that President Obama will endorse anyone during the primary season

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:50:16 PM PDT

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        •  Right now, I'd say he's the favorite (0+ / 0-)

          Massie and Khazei have very little institutional support, unless the Kennedys are willing to open their pocketbooks for Khazei after his dismal showing in 2009. Mayor Warren may not get strong support from the establishment, either - Rep. Frank seems to personally dislike him, though Frank's not always on the ins with the Boston political machine or Gov. Patrick's people, from what I hear - but he's likely to get support from the minority community unless someone like Chang-Diaz enters. It also helps him that he's a media darling, whereas Massie and Khazei are not.

          Of course, that dynamic could change, and if a heavyweight like Rep. Capuano enters, Warren's odds of winning drop substantially.

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          by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:55:09 PM PDT

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          •  Capuano will not draw votes from Warren (0+ / 0-)

            their bases do not intersect.  Capuano has more appeal to the lunchpail Democrats.

            Where do you get the idea that Massie has very little institutional support?  Maybe we have a different definition of institutional support.

            "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
            I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

            by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:20:51 PM PDT

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            •  Who has endorsed him? (3+ / 0-)

              Who has talked up his candidacy to media?

              Who has donated to his campaign?

              I heard he scored Joe Trippi as a campaign manager, which is good, but though Trippi is a pioneer who deserves some respect, he's also wasted his talents on long-shot bids that ended up going nowhere before. He's got a known weakness for the underdog, which I almost see as reinforcing my perception that Massie doesn't have any big names behind him. That doesn't necessarily mean he's doomed, but it's difficult to overcome being a nonentity as far as mainstream media and big-name pols are concerned.

              Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

              by SaoMagnifico on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:25:08 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  you can say that about all the challengers (0+ / 0-)

                at this point.

                nobody has big names behind them, openly.

                and yes, Trippi's weakness for the underdog is a negative in some people's eyes.  But I'm glad we have him advising us instead of anyone else.

                "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:53:32 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  Massie hired Trippi as campaign manager? (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                HoosierD42

                Yeah, he's screwed. That guy is a moron.

                President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

                by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:11:37 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  I have to disagree with one thing (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                askew, jncca
                Trippi is a pioneer who deserves some respect

                After going with Jeff Greene and the rich dude who's running against Berkeley in NV-Sen, I don't have any respect for the man. He may or may not have done the Dean thing out of principle, but it's clear that at this point, he's just selling himself out to the highest bidder.

                •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

                  I think he deserves respect for his work with then-Gov. Dean in 2003 and 2004 and then-Sen. Obama in 2007 and 2008, but these days, he's just kind of a political mercenary with a weakness for establishment-bucking underdogs.

                  Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

                  by SaoMagnifico on Tue May 10, 2011 at 01:23:31 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  He's now a FOX News contributor, too (0+ / 0-)

                  I think, despite the Howard Dean ties, he's something of a Doug Schoen/Pat Caddell-style turncoat, too.

                  For daily political commentary, visit me at http://polibeast.blogspot.com/ and http://twitter.com/polibeast

                  by andyroo312 on Tue May 10, 2011 at 07:41:29 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  That's not actually true (0+ / 0-)

              I voted for Capuano last time around but have following Warren on his facebook page. I like him and he's my early candidate of choice.

              If you want children to keep their feet on the ground, put some responsibility on their shoulders.

              by Barbie02360 on Tue May 10, 2011 at 04:14:10 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Warren also worked for the Clinton WH (0+ / 0-)

            and for Senator Kerry. Those are some powerful friends.  I'd imagine that Kerry will stay neutral in the primary, but I could see Clinton wading in especially if he was given a chance to to piss off the Kennedys.

            President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

            by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:10:23 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Did Massie or Kazei get this attention? (0+ / 0-)

            When they announced?

            •  No (0+ / 0-)

              The Globe ran a profile on Massie, which I'm pretty sure his campaign is still touting. Khazei got a "hey, it's that guy again"-type piece on his announcement. The media has been chasing the saga of Mayor Warren's Senate decision since November or so, and they seem rather keen on the guy. It helps that Gov. Patrick has, you know, mentioned him by name.

              I feel bad for Massie, because it's hard to overcome being totally ignored.

              Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

              by SaoMagnifico on Tue May 10, 2011 at 07:08:29 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  I can believe he is 40 years old, because (0+ / 0-)

      to a person my age, a 40 year old is pretty young.

      the teenager voice will work against him in any attempt to project gravitas.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 07:49:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can he run a competent campaign? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaoMagnifico, askew

    I think Brown's ceiling is 52-53%, the margin by which previous Republicans won their governor's races by. Only Bill Weld had a landslide in 1994, but the Democrats ran a bad candidate.

    •  FYI, the D Lt.Gov. nom in '94 was none other than (4+ / 0-)

      Bob Massie.

      For daily political commentary, visit me at http://polibeast.blogspot.com/ and http://twitter.com/polibeast

      by andyroo312 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 08:43:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Massie was the *Lieutenant* Governor nominee (0+ / 0-)

        the man at the top of the ticket running for governor was Mark Roosevelt, and yes, I have to agree with oceanstar17 that Roosevelt was not a very good candidate.

        It was another one of those years when the Dems made our common mistake:  lining up behind someone who looked good on paper but could not back it up on the campaign trail.  Mark was a very nice man but the party bigwigs supported him because they thought he had name recognition.  But he was a poor campaigner and was badly outclassed by Weld.

        It is worth nothing that almost everyone who was around MA politics at that time and involved with that campaign thought that we would have done better with Massie at the top of the ticket.  Bob is the strong campaigner, the strong public speaker, the strong interviewer, has the better radio/TV voice, is the one who talks to people and sparks their enthusiasm.  You would be hard pressed to find anyone outside the Roosevelt family who disagrees with me on this.

        And it is worth noting that 16 years later Dem activists all over MA are still talking about that race in those terms--that Massie was the better candidate and should have been at the top of the ticket in 1994.

        He may not have beaten Weld either in that Republican landslide year, but he was a stronger advocate for MA Democrats than Roosevelt turned out to be.

        Political memories are long among party activists in this commonwealth, and there are a good number of people who want to right the wrong of 1994 and make sure Bob is our standard bearer this time.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:21:46 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, I'm sure MA Dems reminisce about Massie (11+ / 0-)

          I mean, he's totally the talk of the town. Massachusetts Dems have been trying to recruit this icon for well over a decade now, but Massie's simply too much of an upstanding humanitarian to delve into the political fray. He's a true political legend, a hero to many. Some say Bob Massie was second only to Ted Kennedy, but, in reality, the Kennedys would concede that Ted was merely a poor man's Bob Massie. He's a man amongst men, a heroic legend of sorts to the masses. Millions of Democrats, from all walks of land, tried to draft Massie for president in 2000, 2004 and 2008, but, alas, they realized Massie would probably garner 80 percent of the popular vote. Dems weren't that mean. They didn't want the GOP to completely dissolve and Massie would've done precisely that. He's the sort of presence who greets you and you're just like, "man, that guy is my hero and I want him to be my president." There's been tons of buzz over a Massie primary challenge to Obama, and some secret internal polls actually show him winning African-Americans by 90 to 1. Alas, Massie's a true statesman and will probably give Obama is due.

          Bob Massie. The name alone sends chills down my spine.

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          by andyroo312 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:32:13 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I don't get it (4+ / 0-)

    why so many Democrats are jumping all over this guy? He worked in the White House under Clinton, was the New England Director of FEMA. You act like he's not qualified.

    Democrats need to get behind this guy. Do you want to beat Scott Brown or not?

    •  Outside of one poster who is backing (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SaoMagnifico

      Massie, I don't see people jumping all over Warren. I think he looks like an impressive candidate plus he's a fresh face. I think that is going to help in the primary as well.

      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:13:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  He hasn't been in office very long (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        askew, TrueBlueMajority

        Newton's previous mayor had gotten things all screwed up, spending about $200M on a new high school.  This left the finances in pretty bad shape.  Warren was a popular new face who promised to get things back on track.  While they're improving, he hasn't been in office even two years yet, so locals are more disturbed that he's thinking of leaving already.  It's just awfully soon.

        •  Thanks for additional background. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          TrueBlueMajority

          I have to wonder if that is a factor that really affects voters though especially in a state like MA where there are so few opportunities for politicians to move up. I guess we'll see.

          President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

          by askew on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:40:36 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  thanks, K S LaVida (0+ / 0-)

          he's been Mayor for 16 months and is already bailing for higher office.  that just doesn't look good.  people do not like being treated like a stepping stone.

          in all honesty, I don't even think Setti even wants to be Senator.

          I think he is "running twice to win once" and just wants statewide name recognition so that he can run for Governor when Deval steps down.

          Just my opinion.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

          by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:47:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Your blatant Massie-mongering (4+ / 0-)

            is beginning to feel like concern trolling. Give it a rest.

            23, Solid Liberal Democrat, DKE Gay Caucus Majority Whip, IN-02 (home), IN-03 (birth), SC-03 (early childhood), IN-09 (college); Swingnut

            by HoosierD42 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 10:46:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  ok. clearly i do not know the SSP/DKE protocols. (0+ / 0-)

              someone else told me that cheerleading is not allowed here, so I will take my opinions and analysis elsewhere.

              but ordinarily around here when a diary is posted about a candidate, supporters of that candidate make their comments, and people who disagree with that support make their comments.

              if the point is to elect more and better Democrats, then at some point we have to talk about the number one Democratic strategy problem (one that has persisted for decades): choosing candidates who have good qualifications on paper but unfortunately lack political campaign savvy.

              apparently i'm not exactly sure what a concern troll is, never having been called one before.  I thought it was someone who tries to undermine a thread by posting fake or exaggerated concerns whose only point is to disrupt.  that is not my point.  i am a Massie supporter but I posted similar comments when dK was actively trying to draft Elizabeth Warren.  We have to stop getting excited about people who then waste precious time needing to be taught how to conduct a high level campaign.  Starting out by pissing off one of the most well-respected and influential Dem pols in Massachusetts is rookie mistake number one.

              If we are not here to discuss strategy and tactics, what are we here for?

              "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
              I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

              by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 10, 2011 at 06:34:41 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You are being a concern troll (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                TrueBlueMajority

                By deliberately sowing seeds of doubt about Setti Warren, who, despite what you may purport, is a serious and electorally viable candidate. And you are doing this for the express purpose of putting Bob Massie on a pedestal.

                I often have favorites in races. I don't put other candidates down because of my personal preference.

                23, Solid Liberal Democrat, DKE Gay Caucus Majority Whip, IN-02 (home), IN-03 (birth), SC-03 (early childhood), IN-09 (college); Swingnut

                by HoosierD42 on Tue May 10, 2011 at 09:35:42 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  i have apologized several places for this already (0+ / 0-)

                  and will obey the SSP/DKE community norms on this point in the future.

                  i have also been reminded by the campaign that we are supposed to focus on Scott Brown at this point instead of turning a critical eye on other Democrats.

                  I applaud you for taking the high road and not putting other candidates down because of your personal preference.

                  If we all do that for the next year and a half things will be a lot nicer around dK than in every other previous primary season!

                  "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
                  I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

                  by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 07:01:02 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  you keep repeating yourself (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                TrueBlueMajority
        •  They're also upset (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          askew

          Because Warren has improved things in the city very quickly.  The former mayor left the city in shambles, and Warren's made really solid progress in a short period of time.  Also, there's some petty political jealousy going on here as well that should be ignored.  Some people in positions of power thought Warren was going to be a pushover, and he hasn't been.  

          •  It's heartening to me... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            askew

            That Gov. Patrick was apparently trying to nudge Mayor Warren into the race in December or January, judging by his enthusing to journalists about how he thought he'd announce and that would present a good challenge to Sen. Scott Brown.

            But no, Rep. Frank doesn't seem to like him much at all.

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            by SaoMagnifico on Tue May 10, 2011 at 07:11:05 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Quite true (0+ / 0-)

            He has done well by the city, it seems.  He's doing a round of "town meetings" to meet with the public.  Sure, it's political, but by the time David Cohen left office, he would have been booed down at such a meeting.   There is no heir apparent if he leaves.  He was an outsider who came in with a broom.  The usual gang of suspects would go for the job if it opened up.  That alone might be what upsets the locals.

            Frankly I think the redistricting has to happen before the race is on.  One of the ten Democrats in the House delegation loses his seat in this year's musical chairs, so it could lead to one of them joining the Senate race as a way to let the others keep their seats.

      •  I'm not jumping all over Warren. (0+ / 0-)

        But a piece that lauds his positive qualities deserves to be answered with a look at his obvious shortcomings, since we are trying to be reality based and practical here.

        I like Setti, but he won't get my primary vote.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:44:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  qualifications on paper are irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sacrelicious

      what kind of campaigner will he be?  this race is too important for and on the job crash course in MA politics.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:22:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Newton MA (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dhshoops, Taget

    You mean he is the Mayor of the what is known as the snobbiest city in MA (I am told so by life long residents) ? A already very um wealthy and pretentious state? Im sure that will go over well....Although his resume seems good I am sure this is once again a case of the democratic party pointing the gun at its own head.  

    Ive said this before the only politician worth a damn in the state  is Barney Frank and he is too old to join the fun in the senate. However as such I will support whoever Barney puts his weight behind.

    •  In fairness (0+ / 0-)

      there are a lot of snobby cities in suburban Boston. Weston, Dover, Brookline, Cambridge, Somerville, and not to mention snobby neighborhoods in Boston itself around the Downtown Crossing and Beacon Hill. Don't worry, Newton is just one of many cheeky areas around here.

      "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

      by xcave on Tue May 10, 2011 at 12:35:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well, Barney Frank is from that same snobby city (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SaoMagnifico

      also I am really amused by anyone who would call Newton snobbier than, say, Weston (the richest town in the state) or one of the rich, liberal suburbs like Acton or Wayland. Honestly, Newton is just a bunch of respectable Jewish families with a bit of BC kids sprinkled in on the side. What's wrong with that?

      21, male, RI-01 (voting)/IL-01 (college), hopeless Swingnut

      by sapelcovits on Tue May 10, 2011 at 01:33:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  8 wards in Newton (0+ / 0-)

      2 are very wealthy, 3 are well educated middle income, 3 have a significant working class/immigrant population.  The 2 very wealthy wards are snobby as can be and give the rest of us a bad name.

    •  I'd be surprised if Barney (0+ / 0-)

      or any of the other MA Dem heavyweights endorsed anyone at the primary level.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 11, 2011 at 06:11:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I obviously (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaoMagnifico

    love Barney Frank, but what he said about Setti Warren was uncalled for. There was no reason for him to say what he said publicly. How does that help our party?

    •  Well, theoretically (0+ / 0-)

      It could help boost Setti's outsider credentials if he so chooses to go that route. Unlikely, but it's a thought

      "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

      by xcave on Tue May 10, 2011 at 12:36:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Barney is a crank (0+ / 0-)

      He's my Congressman and we're used to his crankiness, but don't read much into it.   I vote for him despite his crankiness, but it's really uncalled for about 90% of the time.

  •  Bob Massie (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaoMagnifico, Padeco, MattFromVermont

    Can't beat Scott Brown.  If Massie gets the nomination Brown will win easily.

  •  Haha (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jncca

    Someone on Twitter mentioned Maria Shriver as a possible candidate now that she's separating from Arnold.

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    by ndrwmls10 on Mon May 09, 2011 at 09:55:47 PM PDT

  •  I'm not sure how well he'll play. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LordMike, ActivistGuy

    If I was a Republican in Massachusetts and I had to create the perfect candidate to run against one of the first things I'd request is that they come from either Newton or Wellsleye.

  •  I'll vote for the candidate (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SaoMagnifico, The Caped Composer

    that gets to $7 million first. That will basically be my only determining factor. I gave Massie his chance, but it doesn't look like he has the chops for this. Let's see what Setti can do with Kerry's lists.

    "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

    by xcave on Mon May 09, 2011 at 11:52:50 PM PDT

  •  Brown's ceiling is probably 52-53% (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mae, The Caped Composer

    The key is finding a candidate who can cut into Brown's support around exurban and suburban Boston.

    •  Winning back Central Mass would also be nice (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SaoMagnifico, The Caped Composer

      I was devastated when I saw Brown run up the score in Chelmsford, Tyngsborough, and Lowell. I grew up only a few miles north in NH, and I know they can do better

      "Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian."

      by xcave on Tue May 10, 2011 at 12:41:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Not the right candidate (0+ / 0-)

    He does not change the dynamic that the democrats would need to defeat Brown.

  •  After the redistricting is over (0+ / 0-)

    and everyone finds out who loses the House musical chairs game, that's when the better known politicians will get into this race.  It's still too early.

    •  Reps. Olver, Neal, Tierney, Frank, and Tsongas... (0+ / 0-)

      Are all non-starters. I doubt any would run.

      I doubt Reps. Keating, McGovern, Capuano, Lynch, or Markey see their districts dismantled. Lynch could get effectively screwed with a more liberal district that opens him up to a primary, but he might just rather stand and fight. I don't think he could win a statewide primary anyway, despite his stature.

      Independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

      by SaoMagnifico on Tue May 10, 2011 at 07:14:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  my apologies to everyone (0+ / 0-)

    you will not see any more cheerleading from me.

    a new campaign statement today reemhpasized the importance of attacking Scott Brown rather that discussing the shortcomings of the other candidates.

    that promotes unity on the Blue Team and helps us keep our eyes on the prize: taking this seat away from Scott Brown.

    so I apologize to everyone who was annoyed by my candidate promotion here.  I am told it is not the way SSP/DKE people do things.

    I will save my candidate support comments for other diaries.

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    I support Bob Massie for MA-Sen

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue May 10, 2011 at 06:48:29 PM PDT

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