Skip to main content

This is going to sound silly to many of you, but as the dust clears to reveal that nothing extraordinary has happened, I have a simple request of Kossaks who consider themselves religious and/or spiritual.

Please make the jump to see what it is...

I am very rarely a praying person, but tonight I feel compelled to pray, and if you are so inclined, I hope you will join me.

Say what you will about Harold Camping--charlatan, thief, false prophet, madman, whatever.  Say that his followers were ignorant, gullible, stupid, or misguided.

But remember that we have all been wrong before, and there is no shame in it.  But this, THIS, was being HUGELY wrong.  So I ask you to join me in praying for the followers of Harold Camping. Many of them gave their life savings, severed personal relationships, and even gave their homes away in anticipation of the rapture. I can't even imagine the emotional devastation that they must be feeling right now.  At the very least, they must feel very alone and betrayed right now.  I ask you to keep them in your thoughts, prayers, and/or meditations.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  I hope some of them try to get their money back (5+ / 0-)

    from him.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Sat May 21, 2011 at 08:50:58 PM PDT

  •  I'm sure they did better than the Millerites, and (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    nellgwen, jan4insight

    most will get their lives back together. Camping has amassed $ 73 million from his 'followers' to date , and here's a bet, he's back with a new schtick within a week, or less. Like the comedian said, "You can't fix stupid" they should all be 'Darwin Award' honorable mentions.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Sat May 21, 2011 at 08:57:22 PM PDT

  •  Dear Lord, wake them up. Amen. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    niemann, Prof Haley

    There, how's that?

    The thing is, you see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear. Dig? - The Rock Man

    by BalanceSeeker on Sat May 21, 2011 at 09:00:30 PM PDT

  •  They can live to regret it, though I doubt they (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    nellgwen, G2geek, jakebob, ssgbryan

    will learn. That is more than can be said for the followers of Jim Jones, the Heaven's Gate Rancho Santa Fe bunch and others that helped the end times along.

    Personally I have no more sympathy for those that followed this prophet into ruin than someone falling for "A late investor who bears  the same last name with you has left (USD 10M)with Our Bank for the past Eight years and no next of kin has come forward all these years . . ." and all you have to do is turn over money in advance or your identity information to get that paradise of riches.

    Stupidity has its consequences.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Sat May 21, 2011 at 09:25:48 PM PDT

  •  Dear god I pray that people realize (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Prof Haley, jan4insight

    that these religious right fundamentalist self proclaimed profits who say they know the will of god are as full of shit as a Christmas goose.

    Amen

    the US MSM, enemy of informed democracy

    by XajaX on Sat May 21, 2011 at 09:27:58 PM PDT

  •  I tip your compassion, but in all honesty, (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SeaTurtle, nellgwen, G2geek, ssgbryan

    I think the vast majority will double down on these beliefs. Feeling betrayed and alone makes people cling to people like them more, not less.

    I wonder if it is best to hope for honest to goodness brain-clearing anger.  That may be their only chance to break free of this movement.

    © grover. My sockpuppet is a furry blue muppet.

    by grover on Sat May 21, 2011 at 09:30:06 PM PDT

    •  agreed (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      G2geek

      It is much easier to double down than to cut your losses and walk away.  Which is part of why I feel bad for those people.

      As someone above said, it is the kids of the families in that movement who really deserve sympathy.  Reminds me of the scene in Repo Man when the kid finds out his mom sent the money he had saved to go to Europe to a televangelist.

  •  I cannot feel copassion for these idiots (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SeaTurtle, nellgwen, ssgbryan, pelagicray

    I do feel compassion for those harmed by their insane beliefs--their children, their spouses and other loved ones who watched helplessly as they squandered their savings, traumatized their children with admonishments of their impending damnation.

    We should now distribute rolls of toilet paper with the text of the Bible printed on them. We should call out this crap religion for the racket it is. And there should be some legal recourse against this charlatan who cashiered $80 million on the back of this travesty.

    •  Interesting (0+ / 0-)

      I understand holding a good deal of animosity for Camping, but to show such disdain and contempt for his victims seems a little unwarranted.  So anyone who has been misled is deserving of condemnation?  Please explain.

      •  Not anyone (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        ssgbryan

        but to be misled by something so laughable? The natural reaction is to laugh.

        into the blue again, after the money's gone

        by Prof Haley on Sat May 21, 2011 at 09:59:51 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Here's my thing (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          jan4insight, ssgbryan, Prof Haley

          To the followers of Camping. Not one of them had the presence of mind to ask; If the world was going to end and you will be taken away what do you need all that money for? And I just bet not one of them is going to ask him what he's going to do with it now.

          Heavens to Murgatroyd.

          by nellgwen on Sat May 21, 2011 at 10:11:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  information on financials (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            nellgwen, Prof Haley

            http://money.cnn.com/...

            You might be interested in this.

            •  Thank you (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              ssgbryan, pelagicray, Prof Haley

              I read the article.
                And now having read it I have even less sympathy for those people because they will continue on. They won't stop. I have sympathy for their children and family members of course but not them. Would I help them with something yes, but sympathy no.
                I feel more sympathy for us because we have too live in a world where these people vote.  
                The only redress is when people stop blindly giving money to these charlatans and that won't happen.
                I could see Henry Hill giving himself a forehead slap. Why didn't we think of that? It would have been more profitable than the Lufthansa heist.  

              Heavens to Murgatroyd.

              by nellgwen on Sat May 21, 2011 at 10:57:20 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  like this: (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        NearlySomebody, pelagicray

        Camping was a self-deluded fool with the money to promote his delusion nationwide.  He deserves condemnation for promoting a delusion on a scale that affects others.  No controversy there.

        Camping's followers were basically fools, not much different to people who get conned by other obvious con schemes ("Dear Sir, I am a Saudi prince with a fortune to disburse...").  To that extent they're victims of a "spiritual fraud."

        But Camping's fooled followers included parents with kids, and people who had other obligations to others around them who were depending on them in various ways.  To the extent that they bailed on their obligations, they should be condemned for doing that, in much the same way as a parent who runs away with a paramour and leaves their family stranded.  

        And to the extent that they bailed on obligations that are legally binding, such as between parents and children, they ought not be let off the hook for the legal and financial consequences.  Moral condemnation of their bailing-out on their obligations, is fully in order and appropriate.

        What this also illustrates is the degree to which batshit crazy memes can get loose in society and face almost no organized opposition.  For example at minimum some government official could have released a statement to the effect that "you can believe what you want to believe, but you are still accountable for your actions."  

  •  Next Time...... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    nellgwen, FiredUpInCA, ssgbryan

    maybe they'll google their radio pastor.  Check out his background.  If they had, they would have found out this is not the first time Camping has pulled this.  He said the world was going to end in l994 too.  He made a bundle then too.

    That being said, from the interviews it looked like many were sincerely convinced the world was going to end.  They quit their jobs, drained their savings, gave stuff away, made last visits w/ family, etc.

    They must feel duped on some level......I hope.  It's time for them to realize these "holy" men don't know jack.

  •  I want to know about the NY family (0+ / 0-)

    where the parents bought into this crap but their three kids didn't.  I hope those parents have to crawl on their hands and knees to get forgiveness from the children they've basically been neglecting for this garbage.

  •  No Plan B (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ssgbryan
    While others may be making money out of believing in Doomsday, Camping is not one of them. Many experts have worried about the psychological impact on his followers who are suddenly confronted with the collapse of their belief system. Some Christian pastors planned to gather outside Family Radio to counsel any distraught members who showed up wondering why they – and the world – were still there.

    Camping himself admitted he had pretty much staked everything on his fervently held belief. "There is no plan B," he told Reuters late last week. Which is a shame. As the day progressed in California last night with no global mega-quake in sight, he and his followers needed one.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

    •  I read articles like you posted (0+ / 0-)

      and wonder...why am I so broke with such a gullible society?  I guess I DO care about the life after this one and cannot believe people can scam spoon fed from a pulpit folks.  I am the daughter of a minister who never took a dime for any thing including a salary for his days of pastorial duties.  He worked everyday in shipping at Avon and was a pastor for many years in a small church.
      Never got a salary, and little gas money.  It is rather hard to feel sorry for these folks because they had rather flitter their money away on foolishness like that
      Bernie Madoff of the pulpit than actually do something good.  I know.  There are givers and takers and givers get taken all the time.  These people fall into a category I cannot even imagine....They took their children's future and gave to a scam artist.  I just have too much real Jesus for that kind of nonsense and suppose that is why I am still broke.  

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

      by Vetwife on Sun May 22, 2011 at 07:16:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •   not a lot of people (0+ / 0-)

    Yeah, not a lot of people want to cut these guys any slack. I mean, really, how silly to believe in something like that. Yet, they felt that they had good reason to believe. Are they mentally ill for falling for it? Are they dumb? Were they too sheltered as children? Or did they happen to get hooked up with Camping just when they were desperate or lost enough to really want to believe? I would certainly never ask anyone to throw money in a collection plate for them, though I would ask that everyone stop and think about what it says about the human condition, who we are, and what we need.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site