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I’m about to date myself, but I can remember when the only political pundits and commentators were the ones who had regular columns in the big regional newspapers – people like Drew Pearson, Jack Anderson, David Broder and George Will, who seems to have been around since g-d was a boy.  I also remember when network news was the half-hour broadcast after the regional news every evening about 7pm, with two fifteen-minute blurbs on the weekends.  Sundays gave us half an hour of Meet the Press, when a politico really did meet the press and get grilled by them, and another half hour of  Face the Nation, when a different panel of pressmen (and, occasionally, a woman) did the same to another elected or appointed government official. The only real poltical opinon talk show was another half hour feature entitled Issues and Answers.

If the public wanted to respond to points raised by these various individuals, especially the political journalists who appeared in the print media, their only recourse was the good, old-fashioned Letter to the Editor of the paper in which the offending column appeared.  If you were lucky, maybe your letter got published in the appropriate section.  If not, you’d had your say and had to live with the assumption that the editorial department conveyed your opinions, along with those of other members of the public who’d taken the time to put pen to paper and write, to the journalist in question.  Either way, unless the journalist addressed these opinions in another column, you got no feedback.

Nowadays, with the internet and social networking sites, more and more self-appointed political pundits are using this media, in addition to more traditonal forms, to spread their opinions to a wider audience.  Further still, many double as “political contributors” to the various 24/7 cable news outlets.  Like rock and film stars of old, these people have accumulated a devoted following, and some have reached near iconic status.
This past week, I learned a couple of things.

First, I learned that this deviant form of the Fourth Estate is a closed shop which closes rank and protects its own ferociously.  I’m not surprised by that.  Most professions do form a protective shield around any of their own who seem to be attacked from without.  Police, firefighters, teachers, doctors … it’s common practice to look after your own. And any from within those ranks who whistle blow or take the side of the accusing outsider are given pretty short shrift from their own within their profession.

Earlier this week, David Sirota and Ed Schultz engaged in a shrieking session with each other on Sirota’s radio program, the likes of which made Rush Limbaugh look positively polite.  Sirota was peeved because Schultz had, a week earlier on his television program, castigated Michael Moore for his reactions to the shooting of Osama bin Laden.  In Sirota’s opinion, Schultz had crossed the loyalty line in telling Moore, as Sirota perceived, to STFU and get in line behind the President.

Let me say that I have no particular liking for either Sirota or Schultz as political commentators of any realiability.  Both, in my opinion, have done more than enough in the past to alienate and divide the Left, and both have a reputation for being, at times, openly rude and disdainful towards the public to whom they’ve given an opportunity to interact directly with them.  But I happened to see the segment on Schultz’s show where he took issue with Moore.

Unusually for Schultz, he was unfailingly polite in his disagreement, moreso than he would have been, had Moore’s sentiments been uttered by either Limbaugh or Glenn Beck.  Then you would have heard bullish comments, snark and a lot of ad hominem.  Because Moore was from the same side of the political coin, Schultz treated the matter with great respect, offering kudos to Moore as a great voice from the Left and giving him credit for his work regarding the health and financial industries.

Ed simply thought that at this point, regarding bin Laden, it might be helpful to present a united front. Yes, he did call for the liberal hand-wringing to stop, but because the Right, ever the opportunists, would cherrypick any and all opposition and use it in the up-coming campaign to present the Left and the Democrats as a party, hopelessly riven by division and, because of this, weakened by it.  After all, it was the first Republican President, Lincoln, who reiterated that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

So Sirota took this and spun it, inviting Ed onto his show as a telephone guest, and asked him about the legality of bin Laden’s killing.  And then proceeded to engage in a screaming contest, when Schultz began by saying that the Attorney General had said that the killing had been legal under the circumstances. The exchange became, quite honestly, incomprehensible, until the point that Schultz told Sirota to go to hell, and Sirota cut the mic in order to gloat. When he opened the microphone a few seconds later, Schultz had hung up.

Sirota’s gloating point was that the Attorney General was an appointee of the Administration, so he probably would be complicent in upholding bin Laden’s killing.  I don’t know how Schultz could have elaborated on his point, because he was never given the opportunity, once he’d expressed his original opinion.  I don’t know if he were planning on pointing out as well that a State Department attorney had also expressed an opinion on the legality of the Seals’ actions, or if – more importantly and independently of any association with the Obama administration – ex-Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens had publically declared bin Laden’s killing to be perfectly legal under the circumstances.

We’ll never know, because Sirota managed to shut Schultz the fuck up in exactly the same way he’d accused Schultz of attempting to do to Moore – albeit he did manage to level the accusation directly to Schultz of being turning on one of his own kind.  And then Sirota was back the next day, same time and same station, chest beating like an Alpha male, bragging about out-bullying a bully.  Suffice it to say, that all the ensuing calls in the phone-in were those selected who were favourable to Sirota’s handling of the incident.

So the first lesson learned is that the gentlemen and ladies of political punditry don’t disagree with those who purport to be from the same side of the political blanket.  Fair enough.

But some of these people punt their wares on social networking sites, inviting comments on their latest opinion blogs, and some of them respond to the comments.  

That’s fair enough too, as long as these high-profiled and high-principled people remember that the public responding might be people who like and admire their work immensely, but at times, they might disagree with a particular point or opinion.  In this regard, some self-appointed pundits have proven to be remarkably thin-skinned.
One, allegedly, has compiled an enemies’ list of bloggers and commentators on the internet, most ordinary people who don’t blog for money, who’ve been critical of continuous barrage of unfounded criticism he’s levelled at the current President.  This same pundit has acquired a reputation for sock puppetry, showing up in various guises (but always with the same IP address) on his critics’ blogs, to level ad hominem remarks about what they’ve written.

The normally sensible Joan Walsh has literally imbedded herself in an ongoing argument with African American bloggers on Twitter after one lady politely sought to correct Joan in her assumption that Progressives made up the base of Obama’s support.  The lady on Twitter was correct: Progressives do not make up the base, either of the President’s support or that of the Democratic party. If they are the base of the party, it’s a pretty shifty one at that, when any accomplishment by the President or the party is disdained and scorned.  The argument progressed until Walsh rather tactlessly admitted resentment that African Americans should consider themselves the base of support for the President, and it’s continued from there, to the point where, last Sunday night, one of the bloggers in question was engaged in a discussion with someone else, and Walsh waded in, uninvited, and turned the discussion into one concerning, yes, race, again.

Walsh is known, both on her Facebook page and on Twitter, to meet anyone disagreeing with her point of view with the cleverly unfunny advice to the commentator to “get help.”  In one of the recent Twitter exchanges with the African American bloggers, she uttered to one that “it must suck to be you.”

Really, this is the stuff of high school girls, but that doesn’t detract from its rudeness.
These people are paid professionals with high public profiles.  If they are going to allow an exchange of ideas with the reading, listening or viewing public, then they have to show themselves above criticism and meet it in an adult and professional manner.  And that doesn’t mean, as Walsh went on to brag to a crony on Twitter after the Sunday night encounter, “punching down.”

Social networking sites are great equalisers, if the personality in question invites comment in which he or she participates.  Why do it and then pull rank against people who are, at best, internet ghosts?  Or maybe that’s why it’s done, because these entities are faceless, nameless ephemera.

The political pundit class, which seems to be reproducing itself at an alarming rate lately, has done a remarkable job on the Left, in incessantly urging, encouraging and promoting criticism of this President and his Administration.  The old cry of “holding his feet to the fire” has become gratuitous. We’re asked to fall in line behind the pundit of our choice and carry his or her banner, worship at his altar, even defend all criticism of the chosen one against any critique levelled with the ferocity with which we would defend a slight to the honour and person of a close relative, friend or loved one.

That was the second lesson learned this week: that whilst it’s perfectly permissable to criticize a President from our party ceaselessly and unremorselessly, we daren’t criticize the punditry.  It’s they, you see, who’ve taken on the thankless task of speaking for us lesser mortals.  How many times have I heard people say that this one or that one is “our voice,” how we need them and how missed they’d be if they weren’t about? And how many times are we deceived, such as when Arianna Huffington made the middle class her pet cause and pushed the meme that the Obama Administration was totally against them, on the back of Huffington Post’s unpaid labour policy?  In the wake of Ed Schultz’s recent praise of the President, how many remember him urging Progressives not to vote in the Midterms?  How many remember Glenn Greenwald’s 2006 anti-immigration blog or that he writes for the Koch-founded and funded Cato Institute?

Back in the days of Anderson and Broder, when Huntley and Brinkley and wise Uncle Walter gave us thirty minutes of the top news each evening, where were the voices who spoke for us then? They were in our minds, and they bore fruition at the ballot box.

I guess rude pundits are the fashion of the day, but I’ve never been one to follow fashion.

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  •  [Chuckle] (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Limelite, punditician

    Reminds me of an exchange between Sirota and the editors at WOID a few years back:

    From: David Sirota
    > Please take me off your spam list. This is such inane gibberish I frankly cannot even follow it. I'm not
    > even sure it's English.

    From: woid@theorangepress.com
    >[...]
    > Ah! the open discourse of liberalism! The free marketplace of ideas!

    From: "David Sirota"
    > Ah yes! It works very well - but only when you write coherently in English.

    From: woid@theorangepress.com
    > Coherently enough to draw blood, it seems...

    From: David Sirota
    > From who?

    From: woid@theorangepress.com
    > "Whom."

    [exchange ends there.]

    Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:39 am

    [The artists formerly known as Quill Mike Eat Brains]

    by WOIDgang on Sun May 22, 2011 at 06:56:10 AM PDT

  •  Remember the original SNL? (7+ / 0-)

    On Saturday Night Live, Chevy Chase (or was it Dan Ackroyd) and Jane Curtain gave a now realistic version of political debate.

    Back then it was a matter of "this is what we would want to say but can't".

    This has always been a grip for me.  If someone is asked for an opinion, whether you agree or not, you should not put that person down.  It's an opinion that was asked for, and if you don't agree than politely say so.  Don't ask for an opinion and get angry if you don't like the result.

    Growing old is inevitable...Growing up is purely optional

    by grannycarol on Sun May 22, 2011 at 07:02:03 AM PDT

  •  Lesson to be taken: No one is perfect (3+ / 0-)

    No one can be all things to all people.  The only "perfect" figure was Jesus, and even his existence is debatable in some circles.

    No one will fulfill all of our fantasies, hopes, dreams, expectations.  Even when we look at our own selves, we see many contradictions, some of which are self-defeating or hypocritical.  So we can't logically expect much more from our leaders and heroes.  We have to accept this, if only for our own sanity.

    That's why it's important for everyone to give feedback, so at least the powerful get a diversity of viewpoints, and we get the possibility of our policies and attitudes gaining prominence in the political debate and policy-making.

    We are going to have disagreements.  Whether we allow those differences to detract from a movement toward greater justice and freedom is a question to be confronted ASAP, because the alternative is becoming clearer and bolder every day.

  •  So... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    marina, susanthe, gooderservice, 3goldens

    ..your diary concentrates exclusively on the rude pundits on the left, while not even mentioning the vast array of rude pundits on the right.

    Moreover, I also remember the now immortalized 4th estate icons of yore, Anderson and Broder, Huntley and Brinkley and wise Uncle Walter.

    From what I remember, except for wise uncle Walter becoming openly exasperated with Vietnam from time to time, as a general rule, the aforementioned were merely precursors to the pool stenographers & Beltway secretaries we currently have working as reporters in the American media.

    If you are going to submit an essay on rude pundits, you need to begin at the beginning.

    The beginning of the beginning being when the right began to trot out unhinged bullies who stuck to the talking points, &  mercilessly attacked with loud mouths & table poundings anybody who dared question those talking points.

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Sun May 22, 2011 at 07:27:17 AM PDT

  •  There Were a Thousand Schultzes Years Ago (7+ / 0-)

    You never heard from them because they played to their blue collar audience.

    Now that only 5 companies own the access to 95% of the public, there exist barely half a dozen liberal pundits in the entire nation because the owners of our public square oppose liberalism and won't allow liberals onto most of the airwaves and hardly any full power stations.

    So we find ourselves needing each liberal voice, like each liberal politician to be all things to all people, a genuine need but an impossibly unnatural situation.

    In the public square we are almost extinct.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun May 22, 2011 at 07:32:00 AM PDT

  •  Yup. The self-appointed representatives... (0+ / 0-)

    of progressivism are working very hard to consolidate their bloggy power. Currently twitter functions as something of a counter-balance.

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Sun May 22, 2011 at 08:22:51 AM PDT

  •  I like/liked Gail Collins, Mike Royko, Molly Ivins (0+ / 0-)

    and Rachel Maddow for their sane good cheer, even when times are bad. I appreciate Hunter and Hal Crowther for their ability to flay and vivisect conservative idiocy, allowing us to gaze in repulsed fascination at the pus and shit-filled diverticula within our body politic and marking the abcesses for removal. I appreciate the often contrarian but well-reasoned viewpoints of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Daniel Larison. Those are the pundits that immediately come to mind when I think of favorites (and yes, Maddow is also a journalist). I can't imagine why I or anyone else would want to pay any mind to someone who thinks an argument is won by shouting.

    Intra-Left sniping is seldom very edifying and only rarely entertaining enough to justify itself. If I wanted to attend to bloviating ego-rage, I'm already spoiled for choice on the other side of the aisle.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Sun May 22, 2011 at 10:21:23 AM PDT

    •  What's wrong with your voice? (0+ / 0-)
      •  Nothing, it simply is not as good as many others (0+ / 0-)

        My natural style derives from a youth spent reading far too much 18th and 19th century prose and has periods that are far too long, comma-strangled, and sesquipedalian to be readable or generally persuasive in this era. I can write in a breezier, more modern, style but I typically don't like the end result when I do. Who wants to write words they're not proud to stand behind?

        My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
        --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

        by leftist vegetarian patriot on Sun May 22, 2011 at 08:08:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  How can you not mention the Rude Pundit (0+ / 0-)

    in a diary about Rude Pundits?

    The Rude Pundit's website.

  •  I Saw Schultz/Sirota conflict a bit differently (0+ / 0-)

    First of all, Schultz called into Sirota's radio show and would not allow Sirota to talk. He wasn't into having a conversation.  He yelled over Sirota after Sirota let him talk and wanted to debate the issue.  Schultz told Sirota to 'go to hell' and then Sirota put him on hold so he could give his point of view.  Schultz hung up.

    Personally don't care for either one nor do I listen to either one or watch Schultz on the tv.  Plus, he just didn't say 'liberals' but had some kind of negative description of them, like 'educated class?'.  I truly forgot the exact category of liberals he called those that were taking exception to him calling Moore out because Moore thought maybe Osama should have been convicted at a trial before being executed.

    After Schultz took Moore on, on the tv, Keith Olbermann wrote an opinion on his FOK website disputing Schultz but not mentioning him by name.

    Schultz seemed like a hot head and was not innocent in the Sirota incident.  He is an opinion commentator who thinks maybe no one else should have an opinion but him.

    •  "the intellectual liberal handwringing' (0+ / 0-)

      I got the descriptive liberal word over on the Salon website where you can listen to the phone call and decide for yourself:

      http://www.salon.com/...

      I think Schultz's use of the descriptive word, 'intellectual' was his put down of those who disagreed with him.  He used it as a derogative.  He was probably now lumping Olbermann in with Moore.

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