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Rep. Paul Ryan is not telling the truth. Again. (Reuters/Kevin Lamarque, with enhancements)
Speaker John Bohner started the lie and now Rep. Paul Ryan is running with it: his plan "repeals" the "raid" on Medicare in the Affordable Care Act.
...Republican lawmakers are amplifying their message that it was President Barack Obama's health care law, not theirs, that pushed draconian cuts to the entitlement program.

The only problem: The Wisconsin Republican's plan incorporates the very same cuts to Medicare that were part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

The latest Republicans in an increasingly expanding circle of GOP lawmakers to ignore this point were presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty and Ryan, himself....

"Obama-care kills Medicare as we know it," Ryan said on Fox News the night before, adding that his plan would stop the cuts to Medicare that the president placed in the ACA. "Obama-care raids $500 billion from Medicare to spend on Obama-care, puts in place a 15-panel board to ration Medicare by unelected bureaucrats."

"Our budget, repeals the raiding, gets rid of the rationing board, preserves this program, makes no changes for a person 55 years of age or older and saves Medicare, by reforming it for our generation, so it's solvent," he said. "The president's plan does not save Medicare, it allows it to go bankrupt, rations the program and raids the program. We get rid of the rationing, we stop the raiding and we save the program from bankruptcy."

...[F]or Ryan to say that his law repeals the raiding is to ignore both the realities of his own budget—he wanted to show the maximum amount of savings so he kept the cuts and got rid of the subsidies—and the previous statements of his own office. The $500 billion in cuts that the ACA makes to Medicare over 10 years are one of the few parts of the president's health care law that the Wisconsin Republican preserved, his spokesman Conor Sweeney acknowledged to the Associated Press upon the budget's unveiling.

Neither Sweeney nor a spokesman for Pawlenty responded to a request for comment.

Co-opting the Democrats' message that the Republican budget "kills Medicare as we know it" and applying it to the ACA is blatantly untrue, but lying about Medicare has worked for Republicans so far. Apparently this is what they've landed on as the new messaging strategy they've been yearning for in their Medicare debacle. They can't defend the plan on its merits so they'll try distraction instead: The Democrats did it first.

Medicare lies have worked for Republicans before. It's how they got the House last year. But here's what they have apparently missed in all this: they've all voted for those "Medicare-killing" cuts they ran against last year. Here's how Eddie Vale, a spokesman for Protect Your Care, put it.

"The bizzarre thing about attacks on the savings the Affordable Care Act achieved from Medicare was that every Republican that voted for the Republican budget that ended Medicare also voted for the ACA ones as well because Ryan kept them."

Of course that's not bizarre if you're a Republican. It's business as usual.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:15 PM PDT.

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  •  fuck bill clinton (6+ / 0-)

    for a second watching the video with him talking to ryan i wondered if maybe ryan truly believes he's helping seniors

    nope.  he's lying through his teeth.  which means that so is bill clinton.

    oh, what else is new.  clinton lying.  why do i give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Protect Medicare, Win Everywhere!

    by Anton Bursch on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:19:44 PM PDT

    •  Oh come on (1+ / 0-)
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      I mean it's slick Willie... Always trying to be all things to all people.  This is politics.  Demeaning the other side isn't always the best way to get your point across... In fact, oftentimes saying "My opponent is an honorable man but..." is the best strategy, especially when you're the former president of the United States.

      •  Ryan lies because he must. Clinton lies for sport. (1+ / 0-)
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        mjd in florida

        Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

        by expatjourno on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:44:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Man's a politician (1+ / 0-)
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          It's all part of the game... I do like Clinton overall but there's no denying he's a calculating son of a bitch.

        •  Clinton likes attention and adoration (2+ / 0-)
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          Matt Z, expatjourno

          and whether his words or advice are often helpful  is highly debatable because he truly is a "slick Willy".  

          In Florida, we needed him to stay the hell away from the corrupted and legacy candidate Rep. Meek (Mr. 15%) last year to empower Gov.Crist to be a strong candidate against Rubio.  Gov. elect Sink needed a strong Crist for his moderate/Dem voters and once he got knocked out in polls in the late weeks due to Meek tag-teaming with Rubio and Clinton's constant campaigning and their joint theatrics the last week,  Sink lost by 60,000 votes.  (being from the Tampa Bay area, Crist and Sink have always been friends)

          Most discussion over "why is Clinton doing this" centered on him making up the hard feelings that he had developed in the Miami-Dade area in the few previous years and to pay back Meek's mom for her support way back when he was a candidate.  His actions had nothing to do with "looking at the big picture".... to help stop Scott and/ or Rubio.

    •  Because Clinton is a terrific actor (0+ / 0-)

      and you have a heart open to always seeing the best in people. Can make for a bumpy ride but is definitely the best alternative.


      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:42:18 PM PDT

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    •  I would like to believe (1+ / 0-)
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      Melanie in IA

      that Clinton is doing a masterful ropa-dope.   That he is perfectly situated to pretend to Ryan that really really, keep on this track, you're doing good, doing good.   Wouldn't that be fun?

    •  I saw the clip (0+ / 0-)

      Now I could be wrong, but I thought Clinton perhaps was being polite to Ryan in the exchange. I'm not sure if he was promising him anything except being respectful to him.

  •  is there the (3+ / 0-)
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    Marjmar, nellgwen, HoundDog

    legal equivalent of political 'malpractice' he can be charged with?

    Standard Values: Health Care is a Basic Human Necessity. ~ Government assistance decreases poverty so the "Live & Let Die" policies of GASOILPARTY cuts government services because they have no problem hurting seniors, the disabled or children.

    by anyname on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:30:13 PM PDT

  •  Fucking Liars. (8+ / 0-)

    Of course, the semi-conscious fox news slobberers will buy it. But hopefully no one else will.

  •  the downside is that they still get to frame it (1+ / 0-)
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    as cuts.  The $500 billion does not cut anything in terms of benefits, traditional Medicare remains as it was.  The only thing it cuts is profits to private insurers.

  •  yup, paul ryan is a liar... (9+ / 0-)

    I heard him on the teevee, MSNBC Hardball clip of paul ryan describing his medicare plan as medicare - basically he said that seniors would get their insurance thru medicare same as they always

  •  no, no, no, NO NO NO NO! (10+ / 0-)


    "Obama-care kills Medicare as we know it,"


    and he's getting away with it, too. Says that on fox, the 3 million viewers take it as fact, and tell their family/friends/co-workers, and those people tell others, and thats how these lies spread, and thats why democrats lose elections. the WH needs to push back on this.

    Socialist Fuckstick No. 308273

    by culturejammer on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:35:23 PM PDT

  •  How can you tell (4+ / 0-)
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    Marjmar, nellgwen, HoundDog, Matt Z

    when Paul Ryan izza Lyan Ryan?

    His lips are moving.

    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

    by luvsathoroughbred on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:36:48 PM PDT

  •  transparent as it is, it needs pushback - HARD (13+ / 0-)

    This lie will work unless it gets smothered in its infancy.

    People do not know or care to learn the difference between Medicare and the private adjunct to Mediacre called Medicare Advantage.

    People do not know or care to learn that the ACA provides other avenues for care, making the coverage of Medicare Advantage redundant and unneccessary.

    People do not know or care to learn that Ryan's bullshit budget does not save a dime, but simply represents an upward transfer of wealth while running out on the check.

    Do I really need to go on? You've all been involved long enough to have seen manufactured reality in the making, right?
    Well, here it is; the Big Lie of the early campaign. If it gets traction, it will supercede actual reality, just like it did in 2010. People will swallow the lie that Ryan's band of Liars is selling, and the bewildered Dems will stand unarmed, trying to make fine point distinctions.

    Please, I cannot take another iteration of this assault on reason.

    The reason they are all chirping in chorus on the exact same day is that this lie has been focus tested, and it works.

    Obama's like Bush? No. He's more like Cheney. They both shoot people in the face.

    by kamarvt on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:38:34 PM PDT

    •  yup, kamarvt your right... (3+ / 0-)
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      kamarvt, Matt Z, eXtina

      the GOP lie works.

       MSM pundits are paid to support it by their advertisers............n/t

      •  LTE's, email chains (2+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z, lostinamerica

        we don't have a cable network devoted to propaganda, so we'll have to do this ourselves, as always.
        LTE's are a good preventative measure, and we have a Mem Day Sunday when lots of folks might even read the local rag. Good weekend for people to catch up on their emails, too. Let 'em hear from you!

        Obama's like Bush? No. He's more like Cheney. They both shoot people in the face.

        by kamarvt on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:52:12 PM PDT

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    •  Kathy Hochul's ads were perfect (6+ / 0-)

      Cutting medicare in order to lower taxes for the wealthy.  Over and over and over.

    •  I would love to know what in ACA (0+ / 0-)

      would make Medicare Advantage unnecessary.  

      I use regular Medicare; I pay more than $150/month for a Medicare Supplement (Medigap).  The result is that, while I have frequent doctor visits and expenses, even hospitalizations, I haven't paid anything in health care bills for years.  I never have to wait for an insurance company's OK.  

      But the economic situation has been difficult on me, in particular losing my house took with it much of my life's savings.  So, with just Social Security for income, the nearly $2000 I spend on the Medigap premium takes on a new dimension.  A MA plan would seem to cost much less.

      And while MA plan would certainly be easier on my budget, I hate to allow the privatization camel to get his nose further under the tent.  

      So what is it in ACA that makes MA unnecessary?  There is always the 20% concern.

      Planning a vacation or convention in Arizona? Come to Palm Springs instead! Same desert weather, none of the bigotry.

      by grey skies turning to blue on Mon May 30, 2011 at 09:39:21 PM PDT

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  •  Saving Privatilization Ryan (6+ / 0-)

    That is the new   republican mission ,we just budgeted 690 billion dollar for military defense ,between China and Russia spend 100 billion and they have the same military capacity too confront the US on the  battlefield

    •  What Ryan is saving is Medicare Advantage (0+ / 0-)

      It is MA that is, I believe, threatened, rightfully, by ACA.   But the fact is that a LOT of people on Medicare are on Medicare Advantage and don't even know it.  

      If I'm not mistaken about 50% or more of Americans on Medicare are on a Medicare Advantage plan of one kind or the other.  

      They chose those MA plans because they offer protection from Medicare's dread 20% -- Medicare pays only 80% of many charges.  And 20% of a million-dollar hospital bill is still a LOT of money to cough-up, or arrange a payment plan.  And because they don't see (or don't care) that the Federal Government is paying about 25% extra, every month, month after month, to the insurance company, as opposed to the cost of a regular Medicare Plan.

      This is the achilles heal of the Democrat's Medicare argument.  The federal government pays $100B, or whatever, to keep Medicare Advantage solvent, and paying huge profits for the insurance companies.  And the Medicare patient doesn't know the difference.

      Planning a vacation or convention in Arizona? Come to Palm Springs instead! Same desert weather, none of the bigotry.

      by grey skies turning to blue on Mon May 30, 2011 at 09:51:23 PM PDT

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      •  No, that's not right. (0+ / 0-)

        Ryan is shifting the focus of the argument from 'saving Medicare' to ACA's attack on 'Medicare is many have come to know it' ,i. e. Medicare Advantage.

        If, indeed, the ACA makes MA unnecessary, both in cost and convenience, which I have little doubt it does, then someone (me?, help, someone?) needs to put together the white paper.

        This is so fucking Democrat-typical.  Leave a huge hole like this for Republicans to drive their argument through.

        Planning a vacation or convention in Arizona? Come to Palm Springs instead! Same desert weather, none of the bigotry.

        by grey skies turning to blue on Mon May 30, 2011 at 09:57:43 PM PDT

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  •  It's also GOP SOP to accuse your enemies of doing (4+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Brooke In Seattle, eXtina, Val

    the things that you are actually doing. Right wing projection is so thoroughly predictable.

  •  When will their Democratic counterparts stand up (10+ / 0-)

    and publicly say "They are lying"?

    "You want me to stop saying you're a liar, then stop lying."

    Fuck being collegial, these are people's lives they're talking about.

    I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

    by wretchedhive on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:43:40 PM PDT

    •  Instead of defending themselves and trying to (0+ / 0-)

      clarify how the republicans are lying, the Dems should just seize the message that they are preserving Medicare and run with that

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Fri May 27, 2011 at 07:14:37 PM PDT

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  •  So what the hell exactly is their message? (3+ / 0-)
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    TofG, BarackStarObama, eXtina

    That spending $500 billion dollars less is a bad thing?  That if we leave the $500 billion alone we can balance the budget?  
    Just what are they trying to say other than "I know you are, but what am I?"

    Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience.

    by God loves goats on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:44:37 PM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan is such a slimy, disingenuous, sad sack. (12+ / 0-)

    It is amazing anyone even listens to him anymore.

    But, the GOP has learned if they keep repeating the same lie over and over, on Fox News and their other channels to their voters, we Democrats get bored, figure the debate is over, and move on to other subjects.

    By, continueing to look into the camera and not blink, the GOP voters, figure they must have won and be right.

    Very sad.

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:46:48 PM PDT

  •  This is where we need better news media (7+ / 0-)

    Even remotely competent reporters would be calling them liars to their faces in press conferences - politely, of course.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:47:38 PM PDT

  •  Not that reality matters to the GOP but (1+ / 0-)
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    If ACA did all these things wouldn't the Congressional Budget Office have flagged this when they did their analysis of the ACA

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:56:43 PM PDT

  •  This seems like the fifth (7+ / 0-)

    new "argument" Republicans have used since Tuesday.  Hate to tell them, but for once, the Democrats have actually used a legitimate scare tactic re: Medicare and it is working.  No amount of spin is going to save this piece of shite Republican plan to kill Medicare.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:00:27 PM PDT

  •  omygod. They're using the "as we know it" line (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    How do they keep it up for so long? You'd think they'd die from their own toxicity.

    •  and how truly funny is that (2+ / 0-)
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      when you play out the line completely.

      Obamacare cut $500,000 in medicare costs largely by eliminating fraud and inefficiency.

      So "Medicare as we know and love it" has to have a large component of fraud and waste, or it's not "medicare as we know it"?

  •  Their republicans it's what they do (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Brooke In Seattle


  •  it's their only recourse at this point -- (2+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle, DontTaseMeBro

    lying their asses off.

  •  i'm so sick of the baby talk "Obama-care" (4+ / 0-)

    If anyone wants to know why we can't have an adult conversation in this country, it's because there are no freaking adults in leadership positions. Enough with the fucking sound bites and start talking turkey. Asswipes.

  •  First they start to plant an idea that is a lie... (4+ / 0-)

    Then they try to sell the lie to an uninformed electorate.  Surprise, they get away with it a lot of the time.  Well, not so much of a surprise.  

    As God is my witness, the Democrats better get out in front of this.  Otherwise they will steal the wheels off your ford truck, and make you wonder what happened.

    It's what they do.  They lie.  They make their believers believe their lies.  

    Democrats be on notice.  Pound home the Republican Ryan Budget plan takes away senior's Medicare, and likely their Social Security to pay for medical care.  

    Never stop.  Keep pounding away.

  •  Keep message simple (0+ / 0-)

    GOP opposed the creation of Medicare which ended up keeping millions of seniors from poverty or losing healthcare.  

    GOP just voted to end Medicare as we know it, throwing more burden on the backs of seniors in order to give even greater tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.

    GOP lies.  The Democrats are sometimes afraid of this message making them seem too harsh but would be wise to go for it as it's the most direct, accurate defense against GOP messaging.  When GOP policies are unpopular, they lie to confuse voters.

    The GOP is now deliberately threatening an unprecedented debt default that could crash economy as leverage to be able to slash Medicare.

  •  Watching the Clinton / Ryan Clip: The Fix Is In (1+ / 0-)
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    There aren't many moments where we, the unwashed masses, get to see behind the curtain, away from the political theater.

    The Clinton / Ryan Clip gives us a glimpse.

    And what we see is the Big Fix.

    I get the impression that the Dems and GOP put on their show with the Dems playing Good Cop and the Republicans Playing Bad Cop and, at the end of the day, it's the corporations that get what they want.

  •  The only GOP admonishment of the Plan (0+ / 0-)

    Is that they didn't lie about it well enough.

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Sun May 29, 2011 at 11:14:36 PM PDT

  •  A Lakeoff follower would say... (0+ / 0-)

    The republicans have lost the messaging/framing war by adopting our terms and frames.

    Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. Reinhold Niebuhr

    by patriot spear on Tue May 31, 2011 at 05:39:47 AM PDT

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