Skip to main content

Yesterday, I received a phone call from someone who said he was an Independent voter.
OK.

He wanted me to be aware that Independents don't get a chance to vote for a party candidate in the Primary elections.  Yes, I know that.

He said that other states are moving toward open primaries and that he is campaigning for Illinois to have an open primary election too. At least 10 states have or are moving toward Open primaries.

He added that there are at least 40% of all voters who are really Independents.

I told him that there aren't any real Independents since they vote either Democratic or Republican in the election. Every person that I've met out here who claims to be an Independent usually just says that so they won't have to discuss politics . They also tend to vote Republican anyway, kinda like Libertarians.

He did not dispute that.

I: I'm calling to ask your support for Open Primaries.

I asked him, how would that work?

I: There are a lot of Independents who would like to vote for a candidate in the primary.

T: Yes, but they can do that, all they have to do is declare the party they in which they want to vote.

I: Independents don't want to declare a party.

T: But doesn't that negate the whole idea of a primary where the party chooses their candidates?

I: The idea is to make the process more open and more fair.

T: How would it do that?

I: Well, in an open election, the two highest vote getters would then be the candidates.

T: That wouldn't be fair.

I: How would that be unfair?

T: I live in a Republican County and the Republicans control the ballots here and the vote counting. The two highest vote getters would then be Republicans.

I: That would be fair since it is the majority who have expressed their opinion.

T: Then the minority gets left out of the process completely.

I: But, you see, the majority has made their choice.

T: Isn't that against the idea of giving the minority a voice?

Then Mr. T picked up the other phone and made the poor man start over again...and he asked the same questions I did...but when Mr. T said..."Sir, let me tell you..." The man hung up.

Mr. T has that effect on some people.

I was wondering how I got on this call list from this Independent and then I realized which political call list group I was already on. Judy Biggert's.

I get her calls to attend Town Meetings.

I get Mark Kirk's calls to attend Town Meetings.

I get The Tea Party's calls to attend Town Meetings.

I get calls from Republican Candidates. I get calls pushing the Tea Party/ Republican agenda.

My Democratic and Independent friends and neighbors do not get calls.

Even Dan Proft has called me!

The man asked for me, by my first name...not Mrs. or Mr.

When I visit Judy Biggert's office, I have to "sign in" while my husband refuses.
(It is all Move On's Fault!)

These Independents in DuPage County probably got their phone list from Judy's Office...or maybe I was automatically put on the Republican list.   Hmmmm.

(Full disclosure -- I am a registered Democrat and a Democratic Technical Election Judge)

I don't mean to be paranoid....because there may be Liberal leaning Independents in DuPage...but they wouldn't ever vote Republican. They would probably vote Green.

Poll

Does your State have Open Primaries?

26%4 votes
66%10 votes
0%0 votes
0%0 votes
6%1 votes

| 15 votes | Vote | Results

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)

    Character is what you are in the dark. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Bonzai

    by Temmoku on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 07:44:13 AM PDT

  •  I don't like the idea of open primaries. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Temmoku, CherryTheTart

    Independents/nonaffiliated are not disenfranchised. They can vote on every ballot measure and for every candidate EXCEPT on primary candidates that will go on to the general election.

    Every political party needs to have a process to choose their own candidates. Most countries don't have primaries, they have nominating conventions and open primaries seem to just dilute the candidate nomination process.

    My state (Oregon) doesn't have it. There was a ballot measure pushing for an open/top two primary in 2008 and it failed in every county in the state for good reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Here are the arguments in opposition from the online voter's guide: http://oregonvotes.org/...

  •  I'm "unenrolled" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Temmoku

    So, I can pick any party primary to vote in, if I so choose.

    It's a feature of the Massachusetts voter registration system.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 08:06:26 AM PDT

  •  Since when (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Temmoku

    has Illinois had party registration?

    Or is he one of those people who feels declaring a party publicly on election day is "too limiting"?

    •  Asking for a ballot of a party is (0+ / 0-)

      just too much for him....he doesn't want someone to think he is one party or another...he wants to vote in 2 parties at once!

      Nobody ever said that the smartest people all live here in Illinois....but I am continually amazed at how many of the dumbest I manage to meet as an Election judge.

      I hope all his callers give him an argument, but I am afraid too many will agree and will send him money!

      Character is what you are in the dark. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Bonzai

      by Temmoku on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 09:00:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site