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From Andrea Mitchell on this anemic economy:

This economy is at an epic disaster point.

The housing market ALONE will foreclose on 1 million more homes, so just imagine throwing these homes on top of the homes already on the pile!!

The unemployment number is 9.1%, we are almost at a similar point from 2 YEARS ago!!  Why don't D.C. understand we need JOBS!!!  And what are they going to do about it!!  

Yet, all the talk out of Washington, D.C. is that we must cut, cut, cut and I mean they are talking about one trillion dollars.

How stupid are these politicians!!!  And how dumb are the Democrats!!!

The housing market is a damn disaster zone!!  The White House with congress have done very little to help people out here.  The housing market is dragging this economy DOWN.

On Thursday, President Barack Obama warned House Democrats in a private meeting that the housing situation could drag down the entire economy. His stated concern about foreclosures, however, doesn't match up with the administration's public response.

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Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) said Obama’s approach to the foreclosure crisis has been "an absolute failure" and predicted it will continue to drag down the economy unless he changes tack.

"For the life of me, I can't figure out why a community organizer who says he cares about families, who says he cares about communities, has just turned his back on one of the biggest problems in America,” said Cardoza, who co-chairs the Democratic Caucus Housing Stabilization Task Force. "The way they get defensive when you point out it's been a failure just underscores to me they don't have a clue about what to do."

Cardoza's central California district has been hit hard by foreclosures. The three cities he represents -- Modesto, Stockton and Merced -- all rank in the top 10 cities with the highest foreclosure rates in the country. Three out of five homeowners in his district are "underwater," owing more on their home loans than their houses are worth.

"I don’t blame [the administration] for causing the housing crisis," Cardoza said. "But at two-and-a-half years in office, if they can't figure out something to do soon that turns us around, I guarantee you they will pay for this at the ballot box.”


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No jobs, massive foreclosures, high gas prices, high food prices, with the list running long means people are fed up and they WILL take the blame out at the ballot box.

It is unbelievable, to be a Democrat, looking at the Democratic Party and a Democratic President and they are very non-chalant about this.  Sure, not every one, but I don't see many fighting for the middle class here.

If we don't start to see some job creation in this country, the Democrats, along with President Obama will pay at the ballot box.  Nobody cares about what Bush did, we all know what he did, the problem is that we elected folks to FIX THE SHIT HE DID and people are not seeing this happening in their lives.

Lastly, there are many who will point the finger at congress.  Yes, all of that damn congress is to blame.  The Democrats, when in charge who walked tepid.  The Republicans who are in charge now and don't give two cents about the working man.  The President of the United States, who has not been bold enough when it comes to job creation in this country.  Bush created this mess, but Obama has been very slow to fix this mess.  And when it is all said and done, the common man and woman, looks at their checkbook and if it is drastically LIGHT (as it is now), they will eventually look to new leadership.

Lastly, this is why we should not expect too much from President Obama, from an exchange with Congressman Waxman:

"He was a little testy with the Waxman question. Essentially, Mr. Waxman was urging him to fight more," one legislator said. "The president reminded folks that he's the president sitting in that chair and he knows how to negotiate."

Obama also told the assembled Democrats not to count on more fiery rhetoric from the Oval Office.

"He said, 'There's a difference between me and a member of Congress,'" another lawmaker said, paraphrasing the president as saying: "When I say something the markets react, all of society reacts, other countries react. I've got to be careful with what I say. I can't just say it for brinkmanship. I've got to say it in a way so that I get what I want said, but I don't upset markets and so on."


Right now we need bold leadership to get us out of this mess, if we keep walking on tepid water the public will eventually rebuke us.  And to upset the markets, speaks volumes on what really matters.

Sigh.

Originally posted to icebergslim on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 02:49 PM PDT.

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  •  Wall Street doesn't give a shit about jobs (37+ / 0-)

    sadly, and Wall St owns the GOP thoroughly. Worse, I hear crickets coming from Geithner, Immelt and the White House.

    Wanna see proof that a Too Big To Fail Oligarchy owns this joint? Look at what DC is doing about the jobs crisis. Nothing

    the unconscionable wealthy and their GOP goons would sooner privatize the fire company than piss on you if you're in flames. ~kossack labradog

    by MinistryOfTruth on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 02:54:30 PM PDT

  •  They don't talk about Jobs because that (26+ / 0-)

    kind of talk would upset the markets?

    Upset the Masters of the Universe who don't want to hire anyone in the US?

  •  No problem.....Obama will be playin golf with (7+ / 0-)

    Boehner in a few weeks......congress being in recess and all.

  •  DC has the only major housing market that's up (27+ / 0-)

    The politicians are almost all wealthy. They don't have a clue how bad things are for the average American. The above average American who isn't in the top 5% has seen most of their family's wealth go up in smoke with the housing downturn. People who have lost jobs are facing ruin.

    But the clueless Dems play along with the right wing jerks who talk about austerity.

    Hell, I just saw some BS how austerity works for Switzerland. What BS. Switzerland never allowed the bankers to go on a massive fraud spree.

    Countries like Ireland England and Spain which have actually implemented austerity have gone back into or stayed in recession.

    Austerity is the kiss of death.

    We need jobs and leaders who haven't lost touch.

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 02:58:29 PM PDT

    •  The state of DC's housing market isn't (9+ / 0-)

      really a factor.  They have a clue.  They just don't really care as long as they get their political contributions and are able to hold onto their power.  I thought that the Democracy Corps polling report was pretty funny because it repeatedly warned Democrats to "take voters seriously" and to address the real economy that voters are experiencing.  That approach/tone/construct indicated to me that the problem isn't that people in DC don't understand what is really happening as much as they think that they can ignore or talk people out of feeling economically under siege.  That's the disconnect.  Where they think that they can point to the success of multi-billionaires and convince people that the economy is "GREAT!"

      •  You see the sub-theme with the "if we cheer (4+ / 0-)

        together, we'll win" meme some believe.

        Someone might think people are stupid, but if they think people can't tell the difference between "can't pay bills and can pay bills" they've shown who the stupid ones are.


        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:39:20 PM PDT

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  •  You're making the same mistake (8+ / 0-)

    the Goopers are making - emphasizing the slowness of the recovery, not the depth of the disaster Obama walked into.  Perhaps teh Goopers are unsophisticated enough to argue that "we elected folks to FIX THE SHIT HE DID" as if averting the Great Depression, saving the financial system, saving the auto companies, and averting 15 or 20 percent unemployment is not doing exactly that.

    What we need is to take back Congress so that we can pass the rest of stimulus bill - it was too small, not too big as you seem to argue.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 02:59:15 PM PDT

  •  Question: Have House Repubs (0+ / 0-)

    introduced /passed any bills that would have helped people get jobs?

    i think they forgot what they were saying during the 2010 election season - "where are the jobs?"  

    Faux News ruined my state

    by sc kitty on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 02:59:20 PM PDT

    •  Basically what they hope (1+ / 0-)
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      is that the discouragement and disgust is high that many will not vote, thus Republicans will win, then a jobs program(it will be a slave wage program, but hell most will desperately take it)

      America, They were yours, Honor Them, Do Not forget them-IGTNT.

      by Mr Stagger Lee on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:11:53 PM PDT

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      •  The only GOP jobs program... (1+ / 0-)
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        sc kitty

        ...will be to "give any and all tools necessary for the Job Creators to make the best decisions for their unique situations."

        Tax Cuts with no strings attached.

        The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

        by Egalitare on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 08:44:09 PM PDT

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  •  For both parties (17+ / 0-)

    talking about creating jobs is like talking about doing something about global warming.

    Neither one is going to happen, so why talk about it, they figure?

    Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

    by Edger on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:03:19 PM PDT

    •  I think the notion is that Bill Gates will (3+ / 0-)
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      invent a magic pill......You know...like the one he invented for the middle east.

      •  Maybe (11+ / 0-)

        I tend more to think that the 1 percenters are busily creating a world in which there will be all kinds of jobs for anyone who's willing and will be begging to work for next to nothing at 'slave' labor just to survive rather than starve, while both parties are also falling all over themselves to serve those same 1 percenters?

        Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

        by Edger on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:13:55 PM PDT

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        •  It has to be something like that. Globilzation, (4+ / 0-)
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          NWO, the giant international banks and corporations owned by a small number of families who happen to have existed thusly for centuries.  People don't want to know that shit. It's probably much less than 1 percent in reality.

          S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

          by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:17:30 PM PDT

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          •  Does any of this sound familiar? (13+ / 0-)
            At the heart of feudalism is a basic idea common to any society with a warrior caste. Such men need to be provided for. In a simple economy this means that the produce of an appropriate number of peasants or serfs must underwrite the expenses of the fighting man. In ancient Sparta, where all free men are warriors, the support comes from the defeated and enslaved peasants of Messenia, known as the helots.

            In medieval Europe the system is more complex. The central economic feature is the manorial system. Transcending that, and dependent upon it, is the interconnecting network of loyalties and obligations which make up feudalism.

            [snip]

            Thus there develops the relationship between lord and vassal which is at the heart of feudalism. The lord gives the vassal an income-yielding fief (fehu-od in Frankish, the basis of the word 'feudal'). The vassal does homage to the lord, formalizing the relationship.

            The largest fiefs are those given directly by monarchs to noblemen or barons, who then subcontract parts of these fiefs to vassals of their own. Only in this way, sharing out both the benefit and the obligation, can the king's vassals be sure of bringing their promised contingent of armed men into the field.

            A pyramid of loyalty is thus created, in which each man - except at the very top and bottom - is a vassal to one lord and a lord to several vassals. At the very peak of European feudal society is the pope. By the end of the 12th century the papacy has more feudal vassals than any temporal ruler.

            Feudalism lasted from the 9th to the 15th century in Europe

            Although feudalism develops as early as the 8th century, under the Carolingian dynasty, it does not prevail widely in Europe until the 10th century - by which time virtually the entire continent is Christian.

            For the next 500 years, great accumulations of power and landed wealth pass between a few favoured players as if in a vast board game.

            Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

            by Edger on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:25:57 PM PDT

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    •  Can you figure out a way to deal with conservadems (2+ / 0-)
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      There's got to be something to leverage against the vast majority of conservatives in Congress, right?

      I really, really hate it when we have conservatives in control of the purse strings, especially when we have so many in the Democratic Party. It means we get no leverage except for supply side crap.

      So this site - the minds here, there's got to be some sort of mass action that can be done, right?

      •  I've made suggestions (0+ / 0-)

        the paste few years, that pretty much get completely ignored.

        Votes are leverage - especially against incumbents. They need votes more than they need all the corporate contributions in the world. When a party hold power, for example as the dems controlled congress till last November - a mass movement guaranteeing them votes IF AND ONLY IF they did certain things and not otherwise could have forced progressive legislation out of them.

        See How To Win Obama A Second Term:

        Pick an issue or a set of issues. Draw a line. State clearly to Obama that "On election day 2012 you have our votes. Guaranteed. Without question. As long as you do 'THIS' before then."

        It then becomes an eyeball to eyeball poker game right down to election day. You must have the determination to not back down out of fear - and it must be made as clear as a club on the head starting NOW to Obama that there will be no backing down, that "THIS" is the price you will charge for your votes. You must also from today onwards completely ignore all fearmongering about the other party, and instead turn that around and use fear of losing to motivate Obama.

        You have the power to change things. You also have the power to either use the power you have, or to throw it away.

        It's not up to Obama. It's up to you.

        It will take about 5 to 10 million people to do this...

        [snip]

        Your vote is the only leverage you have. You can use that leverage to produce results, or you can throw away your leverage.

        Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

        by Edger on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 06:42:53 PM PDT

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      •  "'conservatives' in control of the purse string" (1+ / 0-)
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        is way too kind - 'Corrupt corporatists' is much more accurate.

  •  Wasn't it FDR that said nothing happens in (3+ / 0-)
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    politics by chance or something like that.  

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:04:14 PM PDT

  •  Truth is that US economy is such a (3+ / 0-)
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    huge engine and it is in turn a part of an even bigger engine. Just because politicians talk about creating jobs doesn't mean that they can create enough jobs to make a dent. This thing will run its course. There is no way to deal with issues being cause by Japanese earthquake and Japan going into recession. Housing market is bad but that is the result of bubble getting burst. Unless you want politicians to reinflate the bubble, you'll have to ride this out. There aren't any good options with respect to housing at this point.

    •  It's Been Multiple Bubbles Since the Bush I (7+ / 0-)

      recession ended. Hasn't been a non bubble year for one thing or many vital to average people up until the crash. W's 8 years were multiple bubbles, Clinton's 8 years were multiple bubbles. There's nothing sustainable to copy going back probably before Reagan.

      "Its course" ends with the bottom 90% a long way further down than where we've been in recent memory. And it's not soon at all.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:14:15 PM PDT

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    •  ride it out (5+ / 0-)

      you mean ride it off a cliff.

      Here is the question that needs to be asked.

      The average american does not have a college degree, and is only semi skilled.

      So coming out of high school, what industry will create and give jobs to millions upon millions of americans who have nothing more than a high school degree, o few skills, and a willigness to learn and work hard.  where will the good paying jobs, enough to raise a family, buy a house and go about a decent life like our fathers and grand fathers come from?

      Please go ahead.  Name that industry.  Where will the millions of jobs come from we need for the average american magically appear from?

      see, that the problem, and that real question not being asked.

      28% of americans have college degrees. that means 72% DONT.  Of the 28% we can be assured that 20% of america will have decent and good jobs, that is not in question.

      What is in question is where are the 80% of america suppose to work and make a nice living?

      Bad is never good until worse happens

      by dark daze on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:09:10 PM PDT

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      •  I don't have the answer to that. (1+ / 0-)
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        No one does. The brutal fact is that US is part of global economy and Americans had it good for nearly 50 years and now others are catching up. US has 5% of world's population and consumes nearly 23% of all resources. Is this sustainable?

        •  Depends on how much net positive value (0+ / 0-)

          those people can add to those resources.
          Innovate. Create.

          -- We are just regular people informed on issues

          by mike101 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:20:49 PM PDT

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          •  Your average... (0+ / 0-)

            ...non-college educated person described in the grandparent post is really not capable of these activities. Probably not popular to say, but there it is. To create and innovate in this economy, you need knowledge of software, chemistry, physics, material science, medicine, engineering, etc.

            People who have these skills are (generally) already employed.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:56:36 PM PDT

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            •  so you ignore (1+ / 0-)
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              so you ignore 60% or more of your population?  Good luck with that, that is prime revolution civil war type territory.

              Bad is never good until worse happens

              by dark daze on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 09:32:28 PM PDT

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              •  The question was... (0+ / 0-)

                ...America consumes 25% of the resources of the planet but has 5% of the population. How do we keep that up, or can we?

                The response was "innovate".

                But we aren't going to innovate our way out of this one. There's nothing to innovate. Growth is a really dicey proposition unless you're Apple or a bankruptcy firm.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 11:37:44 PM PDT

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            •  I think your comment overlooks: (0+ / 0-)

              Bob Dylan
              Bill Gates
              Rush Limbaugh

              All college dropouts.

              I never went to college - no money and my parents' marriage melting down made it impossible to even think about. I speak five languages, I can locate most world cities on a map. I know the difference between baryonic and dark matter. I can cook better than a lot of culinary school graduates. I have an IQ of 147, got a 1200 on my SATs without even studying. I was that guy who never did his homework, but aced every test, because I had read the entire textbook the minute it was put in my hands.

              There are plenty of people with college degrees working at Starbucks.

              In Spain, I personally know people with degrees in biology, psychology, engineering, architecture and chemistry who cannot get decent paying jobs.

              My sister went to college: she studied Spanish for a total of 5 years, yet cannot speak a complete sentence of it.

              All the people I work with are college grads. I have absolutely no problem keeping up with them.

              The notion that college graduates are always smarter/better  educated than HS grads is a fallacy. It would probably be more accurate to say that college grads are more indoctrinated than HS grads. Which is why corporations like college grads.

              Sure, doctors and engineers need highly specialized training to do what they do, but the current university system isn't the only way of training people.

              Sorry, maybe I'm reading way too much into your post, but I have been bothered for a long time by this notion, prevalent among democrats, that if you don't have a college degree, you are incompetent. It ignores the fact that this country was built by and defended by people with far less "education", and it is one of the chief reason that people like Limbaugh are able to convince millions of people that Liberals are elitists.

              "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes begging." - Luther

              by Cartoon Messiah on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 07:19:47 AM PDT

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              •  I said... (1+ / 0-)
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                ..."your average", not every single one. My comment was more aimed at people without the requisite skills (most people, including many college grads).

                Innovation in our society means education (college or otherwise).

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 07:59:35 AM PDT

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                •  And you make an excellent point (1+ / 0-)
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                  Like I said at the end of my comment: sorry if I am reading too much into your post. I guess I just used your comment as a foil from which to sound off about a meme that has been bothering me for sometime.

                  Thanks for responding calmly to what, in retrospect, was a rant on my behalf, not intended to be directed at you personally.

                  "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes begging." - Luther

                  by Cartoon Messiah on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 08:38:02 AM PDT

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      •  There aren't going to be jobs like that. (1+ / 0-)
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        And you're going to have to get used to it.

        This is the era of cheap labor and cheap goods. Right now there's no possibility of getting any of those good lunchpail-feed your family on one income-plant jobs back. With that comes the attendant deterioration of our inner cities.

        Not that 'white collar' workers have it good either; after all this is the era of disposable temps and the like.

        You could ask the people that make these kind of decisions, to lay off people en masse or to offshore/automate factories, and they'll just say, "Well, Americans are not skilled (read: cheap) enough."

        Or they'll say, "You are lazy if you don't want to do something like, oh, work on a farm."

        I am confident that people will continue to vote for politicians that will be biased towards the rich, though, because they have dreams of being rich themselves. Nobody's got time to actually look beneath the surface and see what's going on with this ridiculous hostage situation in the U.S. Government.

        Oh yeah that reminds me, nobody here should be trying to expect any sort of massive jobs program from the Congress. It is not going to happen. It was a miracle we got any stimulus at all because the place is chock full of conservatives. And now it's only worse because the voters think we need more conservatives.

        You're twisting in the wind calling for jobs unless you can get some sort of mass action going on Congress. Probably with leaning on the Dems.

        Where the hell is Alan Grayson anyway? He could help us get the message up!

        •  get used to it? (0+ / 0-)

          how about get used to civil war and running gang violence among our homes.

          Sorry, you dont just get to say, "forget those 200,000,000 americans".

          Civil war, uprisings, gang violence. riots.  See you just dont get to say,  there is no place for you, because at the end of the day, they are young, strong, and the real laws of nature say,  umm yes you do have to worry and care about me.

          Bad is never good until worse happens

          by dark daze on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 09:34:44 PM PDT

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          •  Hey, I hear you. (0+ / 0-)

            I see the civil war and running gang violence.

            However, I don't control pursestrings. I don't get to make the decisions that hire people. All I do is a bit of advocacy. But I'm just one guy.

            The problem is, the conservatives elected to run government, and the 1% harboring much of the wealth? They don't have to care; they are largely going to be insulated from those problems. Look at the gated communities, the suburban sprawl for escaping the inner cities.

            If I did have such ability, hell yeah there'd be a much bigger safety net, there'd be choices of getting around, much less sprawl.

            But that's too "socialistic" and "restrictive of freedom" for too many of my fellow Americans.

    •  Wrong. (7+ / 0-)

      There is PLENTY that we can do and tons of brilliant proposals for doing it. The problem is the elites just don't give a shit.

    •  Addendum (16+ / 0-)

      Know what Germany did when this financial crisis hit? Instead of laying off a few million people, they instituted a plan called "short work" where nobody got fired. They just had their work hours cut back, and then the govt. stepped in to fill some of the gap. People felt secure about "riding it out" because they knew their was a government on their side. The consumer market remained stable and then go into the tank like ours did. They got tough on their banks and forced them to lend INSIDE GERMANY. They instituted protectionist measures to keep companies from moving factory production overseas. And this was by a CONSERVATIVE government.

      I call bullshit on "theres nothing we can do."

      •  Great idea! But guess what? (0+ / 0-)

        It's Socialism! We in America are conditioned to cringe in fear at the very mention of socialism. The indignity of helping someone who is unemployed and not demonizing them as lazy! Well that's not how we roll here. This is the country of the "welfare Cadillac" and the "illegals stealin' our jobz" epithets.

        That's why we keep electing conservatives!

    •  Plenty of options (0+ / 0-)

      Here's one - a simple, equitable, affordable (free to taxpayers!) stimulus of a 1-time conversion of all residential mortgages to 30-year fixed at 4% using market rates.  

      Your comment about riding it out is pernicious to those who have already financially bottomed out, unemployed and will not be included in any shared wealth from emerging markets or new economy jobs.

       

      Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

      by kck on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 06:06:14 PM PDT

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  •  The rethugs are stupid and/or evil (7+ / 0-)

    The Dems are weak and/or cowardly.  Both village cliques have let the country down in their respective ways.

    If ever there were a reason for a mass firing...  Maybe the brits burned down DC 200 years too early.

    Whom do you blame more? The rattlesnake, or the bipartisan guy who put it in your sleeping bag?

    by chuckvw on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:09:43 PM PDT

  •  Stephen Moore on Cenk's show hosing J Bernstein (3+ / 0-)
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    about his economic prognostications......Moore has over a DECADE of video that can be mined.

  •  The Democrats will end up (14+ / 0-)

    thanking God for all the Medicare overreach and the doubling-down on the Paul Ryan kill Medicare plan, if they don't cut a deal that gives the GOP any cover in the end.

    My nightmare is that we get Obama back because the GOP field is shit, we win the House back, but we lose the Senate and we go through all the bullshit we have gone through since 2010, just with a 'fuck you' Senate. What a pie in the face that would be.

    Please, oh, please, Democrats look at NY-26 and forget Ruth Marcus and the rest of the Village idiots even exist from now until election day. Let the GOP scream 'you are demagoging this or that'. Fuck 'em.  

    Medicare, GOP overreach on the state and federal level, and a weak GOP Presidential field are all you have to prevent a wipeout in 2012.

    If you told me that the GOP would be such a bucket of shit that the Democrats could still overcome the jobs mess we are in ten years ago, I would have said you were high. Here we are.

    But this should be the last election cycle where we try to overcome the fruits of Democratic Party institutional self-sabotage years earier when it came to stimulus money that was supposed to be directed towards the states for jobs at the state and town level.

    Joe Lieberman. Blanche Lincoln. Evan Bayh. They are all going to be gone, and the idea that President Obama might lose his job because those idiots gatekept the rest of the party from a legion of policies and actions that would have given us a better shot at a faster recovery today is galling.

    This is another one of those cases where I think people's ire should be directed party-wide, rather than getting bogged down trying to compartmentalize blame on Obama or Congress. Everything that is infuriating about what is going on in DC is the fruit of Democrats institutionalizing anti-Democratic Party memes about their own party and it's policies.

    Austerity? Now?

    If I am a Democrat, I throw everybody who brings up the word out of my office.

    There is no greater example of the Democratic Party being hamstrung by the Democratic Party accepting the memes and frames of what is possible from sources who don't care if a Democrat ever wins an election again than the mess we are in with jobs and DC freaking out about the deficit and looking for cuts.

    Anything that gets cut will be used to justify giving another massive tax cut to the rich by the GOP. There will be no deficit savings. None.

    What the GOP wants is for the Democrats to put their fingers on cutting Medicare and Social Security so that the GOP can't take it's Paul Ryan asswhooping in 2012.  

    It's insane that the Party of the social safety net is anywhere near erring on the side of austerity at this treacherous point in our history. Nobody at the Heritage Foundation or CATO or the American Enterprise Institute who thinks we should be gutting spending and cutting taxes no matter what is going on in the world gives a damn if a Democrat is ever elected to another office ever again.

    There was a lot of spending on state-level job stimulus that got cut out of the eventual policy, both in favor of supply-side tax cuts and because the Joe Lieberman/Blanche Lincoln/Evan Bayh/Mary Landrieu brigade got the vapors.

    Listening to Blue Dogs is hazardous to your wealth, your health, and your job if you are a Democratic Pol.

    If the Democratic Party isn't for the little guy, and doesn't fight to preserve the Social Safety Net, then the Democratic Party literally has no reason to exist.

    If we stick to pounding the GOP on Ryan's Plans, and forget about cutting any deals that give them cover, we might be able to do what to a pundit appears to be impossible: gain the House and re-elect the President despite a horrid jobs picture.

  •  This isn't 2009. Republicans control Congress (6+ / 0-)

    and there will be no 'bold action' on their part.

    Sad ass truth is that there ain't shit the President and Democrats can do about the economy.

    They can talk about it, but they can't do jack shit about it.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:24:54 PM PDT

  •  I couldn't agree more but (4+ / 0-)
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    I'd like to hear your proposal for creating them. And please, be realistic. This congress is not passing another stimulus.

    So how are we going to get more jobs?

    I'm interested to hear.

    For my part, I basically think Obama and Dems realize it's not possible and that are planning to spend 2012 pointing to the obvious differences between 2009-2010 under a democratic president and congress vs. the decline of 2011-2012. What are the other options? Obama and dems added 700k+ jobs per month to the economy starting mid 2009. Easily provable fact. Stock market went from 6000 to over 12000 under the D-D rulership. And yes, the GOP will crow about how 'they were make work jobs' or 'the cost was one our grandchildren will be paying for' but facts are facts and people dont give a shit about the deficit. Plus, Obama after saying all that can simply say: the deficit will be gone as soon as the bush tax cuts for billionaires expires.

    That's my progostication.

    But I want to hear a coherent, workable job creation plan from our side. We don't need more elucidating, we need some workable solutions.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

    by mdmslle on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:25:59 PM PDT

    •  What the Dems and Obama could do is (6+ / 0-)

      come up with jobs packages and then smack down the goopers rhetorically when they refused to cooperate. If they had done that the first 2 years of Obama's presidency and Obama had used the bully pulpit to shame the Republicans and consevadems, 2010 would have looked a lot different.

      If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

      by MikePhoenix on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:50:44 PM PDT

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      •  I see that as part of the game plan (1+ / 0-)
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        albeit closer to election.

        It's really about all that can be done. Knowing the way Obama does politics, I expect him to wait until the GOP feels like they're getting some traction on the 'jobs' issue. Just today boner said something about 'time to get serious about jobs'. I expect Obama to let them string themselves out there. If he's anything he's got dead on political instincts, great patience, and the ability to use those skills to allow opposition to fuck themselves - often irretrievably.

        I think the Dems and Obama will do exactly what you suggest. Just not yet.

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe. h/t MeteorBlades

        by mdmslle on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:25:40 PM PDT

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  •  It's up to the President to change (1+ / 0-)
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    the conversation in DC.  All he has to do is state what is already in his budget.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 03:39:50 PM PDT

  •  Decades of corporatism and war. (8+ / 0-)

    We live in a corporate world now, not a democratic one.  For Wall Street and our corporate masters, jobs are a liability because they cut into profits.  They aren't going to hire any more people than the absolute minimum they need to be successful.  And if possible, they aren't going to hire legal workers or American workers when there is no punishment for hiring illegal workers and/or outsourcing jobs to slave labour countries.

    Our political leaders have no clue of what to do without first consulting with wall street, lobbyists, corporate insiders, etc.  They are what politicians will call "primary stakeholders" on any policy they would pass to get the economy going.

    Corporations want people spending their money again, but they have no interest in making any sacrifices themselves.  And no politician is ever going to stand up and force them to do the right thing because, literally, the right thing for corporations is to do anything (legal, in theory) to make a buck.  That will ALWAYS lead to screwing over people.  ALWAYS.

    In most times, this isn't too harmful.  However we are also in a crapload of debt right now due to the two or three or however many wars we are stuck in with no exit plans.  Trillions of taxpayer dollars are just being blown up or burnt for wars with seemingly no purpose and no end.  

    Since DC won't stop their lust for war, and they won't anger big business...how the hell are they going to create a long term sustainable strategy to fix the economic mess we are in?  

    •  Create a parallel economy (0+ / 0-)

      Stop buying their shit and start buying your neighbor's goods. If your neighbor grows tomatoes, buy theirs and not Whole Food's. Or better yet, exchange your potatoes for their tomatoes. Create a massive gray market that serves the people. Each transaction will be free of tax because it will be 'under the table'.
      When the 'real' economy collapses for lack of revenues, the parallel economy will fill the vacuum.
      Stop buying their shit. There are three things human beings need: food, clothing, and shelter, none of which necessitate huge corporations.
      A parable: I used to spend a shitload of money on LPs and CDs. Now, I just sing and play my acoustic guitar (made by a small business). Music Industry? What music industry?
      There is no point in complaining about corporations and a corrupt government if we continue to depend on them.

      I like to say I'm more conservative than Goldwater. He just wanted to turn the clock back to when there was no income tax. I want to turn the clock back to when people lived in small villages and took care of each other. - Pete Seeger

      "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes begging." - Luther

      by Cartoon Messiah on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 07:32:19 AM PDT

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  •  frustrati hand-wringing (0+ / 0-)

    never changes.

  •  The pols don't see it firsthand in DC (3+ / 0-)
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    so they don't care. That, and they are given their political lifeblood (that would be money) by people who don't care. Noticing the pain of their constituents would cause many cognitive discomfort, so they avoid it.

    The major corporations don't need American workers. They want to increase productivity until there is no need for workers at all except to sweep the floors and turn the lights off. They have not yet calculated what happens with a collapse of the US economy--they are focused on low production costs and their idea of competition does not take account of total market failure produced by reducing the US to poverty. They are stuck in a world where the race to the bottom is all that matters and haven't bothered to think about what the place will be like when they finally extract their last bit of blood and money from America.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx

    by marketgeek on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:13:16 PM PDT

  •  Brilliant and heroic diary, ice..... (4+ / 0-)
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    Amazing that it's so clear to the "folks" what needs to be done, but D.C. is in a haze of greed/corruption/power. They can no longer tell the difference between their heads and their assholes for the most part.

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson

    by Lucy2009 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:17:35 PM PDT

  •  They'll get the message all right. (1+ / 0-)
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    When it's like the scenes in Soylent Green with the people living in their streets, on their lawns and up their porches.

    •  Ever walked past the Hay-Adams in DC? (0+ / 0-)

      5 star hotel, right across the street from the WH, with homeless people sleeping right outside.

      The human mind has an amazing ability to tune out what it is incapable of confronting.

      "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes begging." - Luther

      by Cartoon Messiah on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 07:34:34 AM PDT

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  •  Yes indeedy (2+ / 0-)
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    But Obama doesn't want to "spook" the markets, so no, we're not going to get jobs. We'll just get budget cuts, from here to the election. Luckily, the Repubs are too stupid to take advantage. They're talking the same thing.

  •  Because "we" need the (4+ / 0-)
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    global economy.

    Translation:  Mega-corporations need the cheapest labor on the earth

    Back Story:  Mega-corporations own our politicians (and trade secret protected voting system software)

    Translation:  No middle class in America

    Translation:  Minimal discretionary income from the consumers for the companies that are left in the U.S.  (Unless you cater to the top 1%--hello--Gringrich's Tiffany account!)

    Back Story:  Foreclosure-pla-Lose-za

    Translation:  Near future:  downtown Los Angeles is still nicer than Mumbai--wide boulevards!!!

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:35:15 PM PDT

  •  The Republicans are well aware that jobs are the (2+ / 0-)
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    dclawyer06, Chi

    main issue important to voters, not spending, which is why they keep diverting attention to it. Today both toadies made comments about the bleak jobs news, blaming Obama for not doing something about and they intend to keep doing that till Nov 2012, and Mitt Romney is not campaigning on cutting the deficit - he is talking about JOBS.

    has Cardoza sponsored any legislation or proposed any solutions or does he just talk about the problem?

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:38:02 PM PDT

    •  Of course they don't care... (2+ / 0-)
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      about the deficit
      Their goal is to limit President Obama to 1-term, something they're quite open about. And they've used the same strategy throughout his entire presidency-dangle the hope of bipartisanship to get the democrats to enact unpopular legislation(and then bash the dems for passing bad/weak laws)*.

      This debt-obsession is just the latest iteration of a tiresome game.

      *Perfect example....every time a democrat points out the republicans are hypocrites wrt the debt because they all voted for Bush's tax cuts; the republicans point out Obama signed its extension.

      They always use bipartisanship against us.
      Always.

      Jeez, it's depressin'....

      “Sometimes, the most reasonable thing in the legislative process is to be unreasonable.” Mike Pence, R-Ind., on negotiating with the democrats.

      by dclawyer06 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:22:04 PM PDT

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  •  Wait I´ve forgotten (1+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs

    How does government work?

    The President dictates what he wants and the Senate and House scrape and bow to him in all his awesomeness....

    You know its not easy to work with 500 people that all think they know a way to save the nation, especially when a good portion just don´t give a damn.

    The system is broken and unfortunately it cant be fixed with anything less then FDR majority type levels (60+).  But damn those Democrats for not forcing others to vote their way..... :Z

    If at first you don't succeed, vote Teapublicans out and try again. You have to be persistent if you want anything out of life.

    by Final Frame on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:47:06 PM PDT

  •  Because they don't care? (1+ / 0-)
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    Chi

    The oligarchs are doing just fine, so why should their puppets care about us?

    And this is the Democrats and the Republicans at this point.  Both parties are equally bought and paid for by the Capitalist System USA and we are completely irrelevant to them except as slave workers and mindless consumers.

    I'd rather die than give you control ~ Trent Reznor

    by JustJennifer on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 04:52:19 PM PDT

    •  Wow way to throw Dennis Kucinich under the bus. (0+ / 0-)

      Weiner, Grijalva, you name it.

      Oh yeah - Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Dems. Is he bought and paid for? I'd sure love to see evidence of this, else the whole "equally bought and paid for" is ridiculous.

      I'll definitely say folks like Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson are bought. But how about Kirsten Gillibrand?

      •  No comment on Kucinich (1+ / 0-)
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        Ok, let's just say anyone with any organizing power has no regard for the people of this country.  Sure there are a few rebels in the alliance but since they are a very, very small contingent it really doesn't do any good.

        My point is looking to national level politics for any relief is a wasted effort in my opinion.  They aren't going to save us.  We have to save us.  

        I'd rather die than give you control ~ Trent Reznor

        by JustJennifer on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:42:31 PM PDT

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        •  OK I gotta agree. (0+ / 0-)

          Now part of the reason I agree is that some of our issues are macroeconomic, others are for societal values.

          That said, please don't discount the efforts of those national politicians trying to make a difference. There are some good people out there and we need to back them up.

          If we could put in a majority of progressives, think of what a gamechanger that'd be.

          •  Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

            We can count on progressives to help with social issues for sure.  I'm not sold on the idea of helping with the fiscal stuff.  If we had 500 Bernie Sanders maybe, but the forces that are working against the working class have already shown they will do anything it takes to get their way.  Waiting to get the right representation in DC isn't really an option anymore.  We are circling the drain, so to speak.  10-15 more years of this should just about do us in.

            I'd rather die than give you control ~ Trent Reznor

            by JustJennifer on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 06:34:38 PM PDT

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  •  Piggyback Organizing Main Street on the 2012 (4+ / 0-)

    Election

    D.C. is not going to fix the problem for whatever reason.  At this point, it is the definition of insanity to expect them to.  Go outside D.C., straight to the people.  At every publicity event, every candidate should be under the spotlight in regards to jobs and Main Streeters should be identifiable.  Fire their volunteers who also include a people empowering message?  And replace them with whom?

    Elections are an opportunity for Main Street to be heard and to organize.  The organization can be maintained after the election.

    Elections are no longer Democratic vs. Republican.  They're Main Street vs. Wall Street.

  •  Ah... So who is going to volunteer for the (2+ / 0-)
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    "All Volunteer Army" to go off and fight the "perpetual war"?  Some in this country need to have the unemployed masses to do their international bidding.

    No jobs = Fodder for the agenda machine.

    Replace this with bringing back the Draft where all share the burden of going and possibly dying and getting maimed for life, and you will see this whole country take a turn in another direction in terms of policies.  Add to this a better education system than what we have (and what will be left after the cuts), and watch out world.

    And let's not forget to mention a real health care plan similar to those in other modern countries for all...

    Wow...  Ideas that make one say "Hhmmmm..."

    Hey Boehner and the Republicans: WHERE ARE THOSE JOBS YOU PROMISED????

    by LamontCranston on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:00:52 PM PDT

  •  Obama could take some lessons (3+ / 0-)
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    on bully pulpit usage from right wing Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia. Make no mistake: McDonnell is a popular Governor across the board despite his obvious conservatism. Know why? Because from the day he announced for Governor to the president, he has the word JOBS plastered across his forehead everywhere he goes.

    Just strictly on a political level, as i've said before, I wouldn't be talking about ANYTHING ELSE BUT JOBS. Even if I didn't have a plan for jobs, i'd be running around like this guy:

  •  What is this "Create JOBS, JOBS, JOBS" stuff? (0+ / 0-)

    I never understood it. There are only two ways the Federal Government creates jobs. The first way is to directly hire people.

    The second, and by far most significant way, is via tax policy.  Because the vast majority of jobs are created in the private sector.  So what tax policies are we specifically asking the President (or Congress) to enact to "create" jobs?

    "If you think you can or you think you can't, you are right"

    by White House Shill on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:04:22 PM PDT

  •  I thought the Bush tax cuts was suppossed to (0+ / 0-)

    Save the economy? Anyway, I don't think anyone in Washington has a clue. It's just hope for the best and be prepared for the worst. To those in Washington, it's I've got mine screw you type thing.

  •  Prove It!! (5+ / 0-)
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    "The president reminded folks that he's the president sitting in that chair and he knows how to negotiate."

    Did you make sure your health plan has Single Payer or Public Option?

    Did you allow the Bush Tax Cuts to expire?

    Did you allow the Patriot Act to expire?

    Did you go after the crooks that caused the financial meltdown, and protect the whistle-blowers?

    Are you protecting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

    I have yet to see a really good result from Obama's ability to negotiate.

    I call it "the Breathing Syndrome." When Obama breathes in, they will criticize him for using air. When he exhales, they will complain about pollution. If he holds his breath, they will attack him for doing nothing.

    by Tuba Les on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:12:43 PM PDT

  •  He is boxed in. (2+ / 0-)
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    MikePhoenix, Notreadytobenice

    Any form of relief must get past the House of Representatives. He can't get legislation forgiving loans, or allowing a bankruptcy judge to "cram down" a loan to the value of the house. He cannot make the private sector, sitting on billions, create jobs. He cannot create Work Progress Administration jobs or expand the work force through other government jobs.

    So that avenue was closed off to him as of November 2010. And any regulations or executive orders he could issue would be piddling. And so what does he have left?

    The cowardly lion needs to get his roar back. The markets are ALREADY reacting and who gives a fig about foreign governments with their own troubles.

    This is a miscalculation on his part. He needs to be out there every day, roaring.

    In chess, it is error to bring the most important piece (other than the King), the Queen, out too soon.  But when things get tough sometimes you have to bring out the most important piece and start slaughtering.

    I didn't intend the above as a factual statement.

    by Bensdad on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:18:12 PM PDT

  •  Stop letting republicans hijack the message (2+ / 0-)
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    Kevvboy, nargel

    This is what they always do - the republicans grab the headlines with simple (and wrong) messages.  They don't have a jobs program so since the mid-term elections they have convinced the public that cutting spending and the debt are the most important things.  Cutting spending in a fragile, recovering economy is the worst thing you can do.

    Where are the democrats dismissing this b.s. and talking about jobs and how to get people back to work which will have the single biggest impact on bringing down the deficit?

    The next would be to increase the taxes on the wealthy.

    No cuts to Medicare or SS -  and the people are behind all of this so why aren't the democrats in front of it?

  •  They have jobs and all they care about is keeping (0+ / 0-)

    them.  You and I matter not unless there is an Inc. and a huge bundle of cash that follows our name.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:39:55 PM PDT

  •  We're in a dire situation. Obama had political (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    capital, he had a congress with capital, they chose to spend it elsewhere.  The window to do something big and right has closed.  If they keep pretending no one notices, they will most likely end up unemployed.   Fat chance that those who replace them will care a whit about jobs.

    "There's been a little complication with my complication"

    by dash888 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 05:43:20 PM PDT

  •  Since you led off with Andrea Mitchell (0+ / 0-)

    I'd be more impressed with her reportage on economic matters if she would interview her husband Alan Greenspan.  It seems he wouldn't talk with the film makers of "Inside Job", or "Too Big to Fail."

    If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner. H. L. Mencken

    by Keith930 on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 06:02:35 PM PDT

  •  Nobody's bribing them to do anything... (0+ / 0-)

    ...about JOBS so why would they bother?

  •  because (0+ / 0-)

    Rethuglicans control the House.  They have no interest in a) you b) me c) creating jobs d) improving the economy for people e) anything but corporate money.

  •  Obama Squandered An Opportunity (1+ / 0-)
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    Chi

    For the life of me, Why has Obama not shown the same urgency for the economy as he has shown for his foreign policy? He has sceeded grown for the sake of legislative accomplishments but where has that gotten us? 14million unemployed. I could give a rats *ss about the deficit.

  •  Cardoza is wrong (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Chi

    They know what to do. Solutions have been suggested repeatedly. For some reason, there's just no will to do it.

    Jennifer Brunner for Governor of Ohio 2014

    by anastasia p on Fri Jun 03, 2011 at 06:54:27 PM PDT

  •  Republished to Frustrati group n/t (0+ / 0-)

    boycott Koch = don't buy Northern TP

    by glitterscale on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 07:36:58 AM PDT

  •  Really, really missing the point (0+ / 0-)

    The behind-the-scenes plot is to keep unemployment up just long enough to defeat Obama. There are billions sitting in corporate bank accounts waiting for the hiring.

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Jun 05, 2011 at 12:34:09 PM PDT

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