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Not only are Wisconsin Democrats dead-set on recalling Scott Walker in 2012, but they already have a timeframe in mind: November 2012.

While Walker is eligible for recall in January, yesterday Wisconsin Democratic Chair Mike Tate told me that the party "would prefer the recall election against Scott Walker to coincide with the 2012 Presidential election." This would likely mean the recall effort would start in late spring of 2012. The idea is to have the biggest turnout, and thus most favorable electorate possible, in order to make sure that Scott Walker gets the boot.

At the same time, Tate also noted that the process was not entirely in the hands of the state party. It's possible that grassroots and community activists will initiate a recall campaign against Scott Walker as soon as it's legally allowed in January.

Either way, the party is entirely behind recalling Scott Walker, and has left itself no wiggle room on this matter. On Friday night at the statewide party "recall" convention, numerous speakers vowed to not only take back the state Senate in 2011, but also to recall Scott Walker in 2012. The party is also now officially supporting the effort by United Wisconsin PAC to get people to pledge to support recalling Scott Walker. As I write this, nearly 200,000 people had taken the pledge.

In closely related news, yesterday a Wisconsin judge granted the Government Accountability Board extra time to review the challenges to the recall petitions filed against three Democratic state Senators. This means that all six recall of the elections against Republican state Senators are now set in stone for July 12, and that no recall elections against Democratic Senators will take place on that day. The recall elections against Democrats, if they happen at all, will take place on July 19 or later.

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  •  Um........... why the wait? (6+ / 0-)

    Typical fucking democrats.

    A recall election is NOW.

    Waiting til 2012 is WAITING TIL 2012!

    Recall this motherfucker now!

    Yes, I read the collection of words that passed for an explanation of this shit, but I don't buy it.

    Fight,. goddammit!

    Remove his white ass from the position it is in and PREVENT all the fucking damage he fucking intends to fucking do!

    Why leave these assholes in power to fuck things up - this is all they are there to do - why should we simply TOLERATE them fucking things up for another goddammed YEAR???

    We can never get rid of this shit fast eneough and people are arguing we should wait and tyolerate MORE?

    Fuck that .


    21st Century Republicans would much rather legalize murder than marijuana.
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    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:36:09 AM PDT

  •  No, we don't want to wait until Nov 2012! (14+ / 0-)

    We don't NEED any additional motivation to turn out and vote--intensity can't get any higher--we want this asshole recalled ASAP!

    Waiting an additional ten months is unacceptable. What other crap is Walker going to jam through with that extra time? Hey Tate--hop on board the recall express or get the hell out of the way!

  •  Bad idea. (8+ / 0-)

    For political and policy reasons. Don't give him more time to spin/pivot out of this, and don't give him more time to keep doing so much damage.

    I can't vote for it because it doesn't have enough votes.

    by Dopeman on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:43:26 AM PDT

  • any more bright ideas? (0+ / 0-)
  •  I understand the strategy (4+ / 0-)

    and don't think it is stupid, because, yes -- you are guaranteed the biggest voter turnout in November.  Grassroots and the Party have time to stratergize on the timing and if the Democrats take back the Senate, they can put the brakes on Walker.  

    While I know the inclination is full steam ahead -- and WI isn't going to lose any steam, especially when the real ramifications of the damage to schools is apparent in the Fall, I think the next seven months will make things more clear.

    In the end, it should be the citizens rather than the politicians who decide the timing.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:48:26 AM PDT

  •  Waiting until Nov 2012 seems smart (2+ / 0-)
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    citizenx, eztempo

    You get big voter turnout from the presidential election. Also, from what I understand, to have a recall earlier means trying to get all the signatures this winter, which could be difficult.

  •  Yeah, 2013 When Repubs Will Still Be Strong Enough (0+ / 0-)

    to prevent restoration of any of the cuts.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:53:13 AM PDT

  •  If he is bad enough now to recall him (5+ / 0-)

    then recall him.

    Stating that he doesn't suck so bad that we can delay the recall vote almost counts as an endorsement of the M.F.

    I think this is a case of people trying to be too damn smart for their own good.

  •  I think it's gonna happen this winter. (8+ / 0-)

    I know that their saying Fall.  But there's also the acknowledgement that they're not in control of the process.

    When Mike Tate delivered that line, several of us who were in the recall process from the start laughed... because that's just what happened with the senate recalls.  The DPW jumped in because we were going to do it without them.

    I think the same will happen this time, and we and they know it.

    RECOUNT. Recall - Done!! VOTE!!! Rescind. Rebuild.

    by stcroix cheesehead on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:56:05 AM PDT

    •  However, there are a few logistical factors (2+ / 0-)
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      eztempo, Zack from the SFV

      to contemplate.  If the recall committees register at the end of the first week in November, there will be three holiday periods to consider in successfully obtaining the 540,250 odd signatures required.  Will the circulators have enough time and desire to go all out at the expense of their families during these times.  Will the electors be approachable at malls, churches and holiday festivals?  What will be the impact of continuous bad and snowy weather on the recall function?

      These are important items to be thought about before blindly jumping into a recall period.  Failure because of the above would be felt as a crushing defeat.  I am not saying that it should not be done; I am just very pragmatic about the proper time to get it done successfully.  Emotion should not rule—it has been a long journey after the last few months.

      If the state Democrats are merely wishing for the end of 2012 to make the greatest national impact, I disagree.  Strike when the time is best and the iron is hot...

      In addition, what about the others that could be recalled?  The whole assembly will be eligible.  Since the elections are next year, it certainly would not be worth the effort for a large scale recall; however, a few vulnerable Republican assembly persons could be targeted to send this house an unmistakable message.  The remaining 17 state senators will also be eligible for recall.  This would be worth a large scale drive against the remaining Republican senators.  Finally, what about recalling the Lt Gov and the ubercon state Attorney General?  These are all things to be considered and carefully worked out.

      WI has the Republicans rocked back on their heels. Do not let them off the hook, but think through the process on how to best approach for ultimate success.    

  •  OT: Chris Christie SASQUATCH Connection Probed! (0+ / 0-)

    Scott Walker, Chris Christie ... what's the difference!

    This pic and article are just too funny.  I'll buy you a beer if you don't laugh! (Scroll to THIRD Story)

    You earned it Governor!

  •  Scott Walker starring in (0+ / 0-)


    Scott Walker: "Everybody get out of here, there's a lobster loose!"

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 11:57:13 AM PDT

  •  N-o-o-o-o-o-o-o !!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    citizenx, scribeboy

    We don't want to wait -- that's a terrible idea!  My concern has been who's going to run against him,  now we have to worry about -- waiting??? We've been waiting since February already.

  •  January would be my preference... (3+ / 0-)
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    citizenx, trinite, Quicklund

    ...the sooner voters get rid of nasty people like this, the less damage they can do.

    Despite not living in Wisconsin, this guy's still an embarrassment to me...people like this make me ashamed to even call them my fellow Americans they are so repulsive, hostile and obnoxious.

  •  BTW Chris, good to see you (0+ / 0-)

    Hope you had a good stay in my state.  Saw you back behind & to my left... you'd walked out when we had a break & I wanted to get up & say hi.

    RECOUNT. Recall - Done!! VOTE!!! Rescind. Rebuild.

    by stcroix cheesehead on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 12:06:31 PM PDT

  •  Wisconsin Dems want recall election election again (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, scribeboy

    That's a really long ways off, and, given how much damage Walker has done in the past six months, it's a pretty scary wager. Personally, I think we'd be better off confronting the Walker issue while the pain is fresh.

  •  On one hand, I agree with the party (0+ / 0-)

    Just think - all the voter intensity you get from wanting to recall Walker can help Obama, or Tammy Baldwin (or Russ Feingold or whoever ends up running for Herb Kohl's seat) at the top of the ticket.

    On the other, I would certainly be okay with getting rid of him now.

  •  Bad idea (0+ / 0-)

    The momentum is now. This has nothing to do with 2012 elections. Politicians always treat our voting like gambling. This recall movement is the result of the people and it needs to stay that way.

    I will say, considering the obvious challenges the repugs will wage against the recall, we may just end up having that election blend in to the run up to the Presidential election but it is a recall election first and foremost as a result of a dire situation.

    The time is November to begin collecting signatures ready to hand in come Jan.

    Wisconsin's New State Motto: DRAWROF

    by One bite at a time on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 12:46:49 PM PDT

  •  Don't finesse the leave (0+ / 0-)

    Please don't assume we will run the table and clear off six GOP senators.  Take the shots we've got and sink Gov Eightball ASAP.

    (Not that I do not blame Dem HQ for thinking of the idea.  Someone was bound to think of it.)

    Stop. Stand up. Make a sign. Walk around in public. Be polite and orderly and the rest takes care of itself. Want to shake up the Plutocrats? Demonstrate your attention to politics.

    by Quicklund on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 12:52:46 PM PDT

  •  I don't see an issue here. Recall him ASAP, if (2+ / 0-)
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    jpmassar, yoduuuh do or do not

    that doesn't work, there's the 2012 election. What, you think if he "wins" the first recall we can't gather enough signatures for 2012?

    The day after the first available recall election date, if he manages to hang on, we just start another recall drive for the regular election. You don't think we in CA don't have your backs? What, you want more pizza? Fine, you got it.

    If Scottie makes it past the first recall, which I doubt, we in CA have your back.For every 2012 recall office you got, I'll organize a pizza. No cheapie cheese only Domino's deal, a real veggie pizza from a Mom 'n Pop pizza place near you. And the addresses and phone numbers of participating pizza parlors will be posted here, you won't go hungry.

    "Somehow our slogan 'We’ll protect YOUR Medicare, but your kids are screwed' never really caught on."

    by BobSmith415 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 01:00:52 PM PDT

  •  Ah the Madison Orpheum (0+ / 0-)

    Off topic I know, but I saw Tom Waits open for Jerry Jeff Walker at the Orpheum way back in the mid-Seventies.  Fucking great show.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 01:04:46 PM PDT

  •  Won't the Senate change complexion in July? (2+ / 0-)
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    Fonsia, yoduuuh do or do not

    Having a "stopper" in the legislature should limit the damage Walker can do in the interim, and I do wonder about "recall fatigue" having a snap-back effect as early as January after this summer's campaign.

    Not saying that there's momentum for recall right now, and that should carry the six elections now on the calendar to victory.  But I do see some wisdom in taking advantage of what looks like it could be another 'Democratic wave' election in 2012.

    Just thought I'd throw those thoughts into the discussion mix.

  •  With every new action... (0+ / 0-)

    The amount of flailing these throwbacks are demonstrating anymore is only serving to illustrate their desperation… it’s more than obvious that the RNC has already written them off.

    NONE of their legislation will stand.


It’s uncanny.


With every new assault on the rule of law.. 

    With every new mugging of the people..


With every new attempt to take their elected office and create a personal fiefdom so as to lie, cheat, con and use the citizens as chattel to manipulate, negate, expropriate and preempt as they wish..


With every utterance emanating from their mouths like a putrescent, green fog they only amplify their breathtaking contempt for the electorate and their willful ignorance…


… and it only serves to illuminate their ingrained sociopathy.

    With every, single step that they take, they are driving yet another nail into their own coffins... pounding them in harder with each blow…


Ready and eager to bury themselves and the entire, degenerate bagger agenda with them once and for all.


They’re almost finished..... thank god.

    The American People are finally awakening to the reality of what these degenerates TRULY stand for...

    Nothing more than a gaggle of witless ideologues & schills for those who want to turn working people into a class of indentured servants. 

    NONE of the bagger Governors would have been elected, had their constituents known that this was going to be the way that they were planning to "lead".

    Walker, Snyder, Kasich, LePage, Scott... not a SINGLE one would be in office if the elections were held today....

    ALL of the polls are UNANIMOUS in this.


It is the job of ALL of us to remind the voters of this EVERY DAY until these traitors are relegated back into the steaming dungheap that they came from.

    The sooner the better.

    "Happiness isn't something you experience.... it's something you remember."

    by Sandy Berman on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 03:24:33 PM PDT

  •  Why is election repeated in the title? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  I'm not into delayed gratification. Recall NOW! (0+ / 0-)

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Sat Jun 04, 2011 at 05:01:21 PM PDT

  •  One thing nobody is mentioning (1+ / 0-)
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    The legislature is currently trying to move the presidential primary to April 3 for both parties. This will pass - it has bipartisan support. If we file the signatures on Jan 3, and there is a 6 week period before the election, that would make it the middle of February. But the GOP will definitely challenge the recall in court. This will delay things. When the GAB decides when to hold the election, they will want to find a date that already has an election - this saves money and makes it easier for voters. The most logical date would be... April 3. So you would have a Walker recall election on the same day as the Republican primary - bad news for our side.

  •  The national Democratic party is being selfish (1+ / 0-)
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    They claim they're looking at this from the point of view of "How can Obama's re-election run help the recall Walker efforts in Wisconsin.", but I suspect they're actually thinking "How can the recall Walker run help our Obama re-election efforts in Wisconsin."

    Delaying a little bit to avoid trying to gather signatures during the holidays makes some sense.  Delaying a whole year beyond that does not.

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