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All that "evidence" that the screenshot was fake -- the color analysis, timeline, XIFF info, pic rotation and cropping, etc?

It didn't prove anything.

We believed what we wished to believe. Truth became the handmaiden of ideology. We, the "Reality-based community", turned out to be as susceptible to self-deception as the most deluded right-wing fundie fanatics.

What we should learn is that we are human, and have no privileged claim on truth; and that maintaining a grasp on reality is an ongoing process, a constant struggle with our own epistemic flaws.

In my opinion, the realization of our profound epistemic fallibility is the most important issue here -- far more important than whether Weiner broke any laws or whether he will resign. Before we can improve our society, we must improve ourselves; before we can do better, we must learn to know better. We must better understand our weaknesses.

Sadly, it is not a lesson easily learned...

Update: people, it's not about the dick, or the picture, or prudery! it's about the fact that we believed all those "refutations" because we wished to believe -- we collectively chose pleasing lie over unpleasant truth, and persuaded ourselves that this lie was truth.

It doesn't matter what this self-deception occurs over: sexting, nuclear physics, or agricultural policy. It occurs. Who knows on how many issues we similarly deceive ourselves this very moment? Who knows how many of those issues are serious policy problems which, unlike Weiner's weiner, genuinely matter?

We deceive ourselves, and we should strive to deceive ourselves less. A LOT less.

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  •  What I have learned? (4+ / 0-)
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    wwjjd, Shahryar, lgmcp, icebergslim

    That men can't keep it in their pants.

    This is why women should be running things, and men should be home trolling the internet for pron.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 01:59:08 PM PDT

  •  All I ever believed was that (3+ / 0-)
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    TooFolkGR, James Allen, eXtina

    even if he did send the pics (which he did, obviously) no laws were broken.

    This comment may not be reproduced or excerpted on other sites without my express written permission.

    by psilocynic on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 01:59:32 PM PDT

  •  it's laughable, sadly (8+ / 0-)

    "I'll just put this out on social media that goes out to the whole world."

  •  That's funny (2+ / 0-)
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    MikeTheLiberal, Attorney at Arms

    Because it's not Weiner who's fucking women on the one hand and screwing them on the other, in the legislation he writes.  

       Dem or Repub, you're going to get screwed. The difference is, a Repub will screw you and call you a whore and say you don't deserve an abortion, while a Dem will say hi to you the next day,  unless they're one of those conservative Dems, in which case they leave money on the nightstand and vote against abortion.  

  •  What a stupid thing (4+ / 0-)

    to go through all this for VIRTUAL sex.  Not even real sex!  At least Bill Clinton got an honest beej in the hallway.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:04:42 PM PDT

  •  As others have noted... (6+ / 0-)
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    TomP, milkbone, Adam B, eXtina, madmsf, justmy2

    ... the triump of "Occam's Razor."

    Watch Rex, Political Dog give hell to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and various rightwing lunatics on Twitter.

    by Bob Johnson on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:05:39 PM PDT

  •  No different than (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    Birtherism, really.  But a question: if this site has a no tolerance policy about conspiracy theories, why was that one allowed to slip by?  Or is it just some CT's.  I'm looking at you, 9-11.

    •  Conspiracy theory? No. (2+ / 0-)
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      erush1345, fcvaguy

      It was a controversy. There were people on both sides. Nobody had come up with any definitive proof either way.

      Now, if someone were to claim that Breitbart blackmailed Weiner into confessing to something he didn't do... loopy!

      •  all the evidence (1+ / 0-)
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        eXtina

        pointed at Weiner. His account his twitter.

        Only his claim that there was a hacking. Hundreds of people became his bitches, doing his work for him.

        I bet that they are the pissed ones now.

        •  Weiner's story wasn't implausible. (1+ / 0-)
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          fcvaguy

          Particularly since, in my view anyway, he had the benefit of the doubt at first: why would a powerful politician do such a ridiculous thing? Is that even a mistake that he could make? How did they manage to land the story on Memorial Day weekend when it could float around for days without a response? And it didn't help that, after his accusation of hacking, the sources began behaving like, well, guilty hackers, disappearing into the ether.

          Apparently they were lucky.

  •  I said from the beginning (3+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, vacantlook, DarkLadyNyara

    that I simply didn't care if the picture was of him.

    This is absolutely none of my business. And Weiner by all rights should have said so from the beginning. But I refused to denounce Bill Clinton for lying about Monica, and I will refuse to denounce Weiner for this.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:07:14 PM PDT

  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)

    I don't care what Weiner did. As far as I'm concerned, David Vitter gives everyone a get out of jail free card or two.

    But I think the people posting "evidence" that this was fake need some looking into of their own.

    I wouldn't put it past these Breitbart ratfuckers to be trying to ratfuck this site too. In fact, I'm sure they're always looking for ways.

    All I've got is an orange blog, three paragraphs, and the truth.

    by Attorney at Arms on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:07:50 PM PDT

    •  Remember the W Bush Dan Rather Deception. (1+ / 0-)
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      Attorney at Arms

      It's entirely feasible that staged fakes were deliberately circulated.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:14:01 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

        While I agree that it is smart to be extremely skeptical of anything sliming its way out of Breitbarts sewer, I think the answer should have been, all along, "so what?"

        It's the lie that gets you.

        But to immediately counter with some kind of CT about how it was all a lie without any kind of proof just makes the whole thing worse.

        It's like the people editing the Wikipedia page about Paul Revere to cover up Sarah Palin's mistake.

        All I've got is an orange blog, three paragraphs, and the truth.

        by Attorney at Arms on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:36:31 PM PDT

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    •  it's not that simple (0+ / 0-)

      Everyone seems to be claiming now that they never bought it... but somehow the "Refutation" diaries got all those recommends and tips.

      This was our collective failure as a political group.

      Ceterum Censeo: Veritas et Libertas Ultra Omnis Sunto

      by Victor on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:13:20 PM PDT

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  •  I don't know. (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, BachFan, Actuary4Change

    I assumed a compulsive liar was telling a lie.

    It's a reasonable assumption, and nothing  to be ashamed of. It may not work one time out of a hundred, but the other ninety-nine, it will.

    Truly the destruction of the earth only results from the destitution of its inhabitants, and its inhabitants become destitute only when rulers concern themselves with amassing wealth. Caliph Ali, 7th century

    by SadieB on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:08:34 PM PDT

  •  By far the most important diary (6+ / 0-)

    on this tragic and distasteful affair since it started a week ago. You are spot on. How foolish we all look. How we are so willing to conjure up our own "evidence" and suppositions while dismissing with scorn and HRs anyone who dared be skeptical.

    Shame on all of us.

    •  Does this mean (0+ / 0-)

      that you plan on adopting a more balanced approach in discussing Obama's policies?  After all, the apologists are a prime example of the sort of ideological driven blindness this diary is talking about.

      •  Now now. (0+ / 0-)

        My computer got an STD and it hasn't been the same since.

        by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:27:38 PM PDT

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      •  No I don't (5+ / 0-)

        I was being kind when I used the pronoun "us". As a matter of fact, I didn't post in any of the Weiner diaries, nor did I give a single HR to any of the skeptics.

        That said, what does Weiner sending lewd pics of himself all over the internet and lying about it have to do with Obama's policies? Are they somehow connected? And, that certainly is a very creative feat of trollery on your part to use the Weiner affair to attack "apologists" as being "ideologically blind".

        And, I make no apologies for supporting President Obama, the Democratic Party and most Democratic candidates for office. After all, this is a blog for electing more and better Democrats, for fuck sake.

    •  That is how I feel as an atheist often lol. (0+ / 0-)

      "How we are so willing to conjure up our own "evidence" and suppositions while dismissing with scorn and HRs anyone who dared be skeptical.

      Shame on all of us."

      Democrats who enable implementation of Republican policies do more to destroy the Democratic Party than anyone. - Big River Bandido

      by pot on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 08:37:14 PM PDT

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  •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

    Epistemic fallability is essential.

    CitizenX: "If the republicans were in charge GM & Chrysler would be dead and Osama bin Laden would be alive."

    by TomP on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:12:11 PM PDT

  •  Case Was Made By Proven Serial Lying Fraudster (2+ / 0-)
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    Actuary4Change, Cassandra Waites

    Furthermore one of the companies involved shut down a service because it was fakeable.

    That's a powerful set of facts to back up presumption of innocence of the accused.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:12:41 PM PDT

    •  This is why you shouldn't smear the accusers. (1+ / 0-)
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      fcvaguy

      Just because they're scum doesn't mean they're lying.

      yfrog shut down their service because lots of ill-informed people were spreading the untruth that it was fakeable. They've since reenabled it, since it isn't. It is a shame that the DailyKos community decided to smear yfrog in an attempt to defend the indefensible.

  •  Some people did question Weiner, (4+ / 0-)
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    DrToast, Anak, neil, Victor

    and were derided. Big time.

    My computer got an STD and it hasn't been the same since.

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:17:44 PM PDT

  •  I like Weiner but he should resign... (2+ / 0-)
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    erush1345, fcvaguy

    If he's that weak as he says...he can be easily compromised in a variety of ways...by throwing a fresh piece of ass in his face...I'm tired of guys like that running this country...  

    I'm not some prude..but if you're stupid enough to carry on like he did you don't deserve the peoples trust nor do you belong in office...I rank him right next to Palin in the stupidity department...

    Overall the diarist is right...we need to improve ourselves...so we don't fall for guys like this....

    •  I disagree. (2+ / 0-)

      I don't fucking care what people do in their private lives, as long as they're not hurtin' anyone.

      I think Rep. Weiner should not resign. This whole thing is stupid. He's a total dumbass, but he's an excellent representative.

      My computer got an STD and it hasn't been the same since.

      by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:22:09 PM PDT

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      •  Is the whole thing stupid...yes (1+ / 0-)
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        erush1345

        But it's for that reason he should resign and the fact he was doing this on "Company" time...if he was at home wacking his schlong in panties and bra in his living room, while watching gay porn...no problem...have at it...enjoy yourself...

        But using your Congressional Office at the salary of 170k a year...for sexting and uploading your half naked erect penis pictures across the country is someone who has a severe lack of judgment and really shouldn't be holding a public office...excellent representative or not.

        The people of this country deserve better...and should expect better...

        •  Bailiff, whack his pee pee (0+ / 0-)

          who gives a rats ass where he took the shots of his dick? Tell you what...his dick goes with him everywhere he goes. When he is in his suit on TV, his cock is about 3 feet below his chin. When he speaks in Congress, his dick is right there with him, same place too, right in front of everyone but hidden. We have cocks, we have pussies, we have asses, we have tits, who gives a shit if we show them off? Jesus.

          Liberalism is a label used by the right to obscure our true agenda which is really nothing but the use of pragmatism instead of ideology.

          by Sinan on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:50:01 PM PDT

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          •  Why does it matter...? (0+ / 0-)

            Try 10 5 unemployment, try War in Afghanistan, try near Depression economy...etc etc...when he's on T.V. it's mostly after hours...

            Here's the thing...if the good Congressman wants to whack his dick fine...have at  it...but this country has a lot of problems and him posting dick pictures on FaceBook is not solving them...the least he could do while in the office during normal hours is work on this countries problem...

            It's the least he could do...

            •  maybe (0+ / 0-)

              you want him to stop going to the bathroom too? The guy only did what every 18-26 year old is doing all the time now. Sexting is the rage. Personally, he should have fessed up instantly but he did not and now he is going down. We are puritans at heart. What a repressed nation...

              Liberalism is a label used by the right to obscure our true agenda which is really nothing but the use of pragmatism instead of ideology.

              by Sinan on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 04:28:33 PM PDT

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              •  Weiner is a 47 year old married man... (1+ / 0-)
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                pot

                I rather he be going about the nations business then acting like a hormonal teenager....want a fresh piece of ass buy a hooker on your offtime like everyone else...sheesh...

                •  so what? (0+ / 0-)

                  You do not get to tell him what to do 24x7x365. He has his own life to live. Its called freedom.

                  Liberalism is a label used by the right to obscure our true agenda which is really nothing but the use of pragmatism instead of ideology.

                  by Sinan on Tue Jun 07, 2011 at 11:16:52 AM PDT

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    •  Improve ourselves, sure. (0+ / 0-)

      But freaking out over another dude's private sex life is not an improvement.  If we want to improve ourselves, we need to stop thinking that a dude having a cock and acting thereupon is some big stop-the-presses kind of news.  But no, we won't improve ourselves; we'll keep on snickering like 12-year olds in health class too embarrassed to say the word "penis".

      •  That's the thing...it wasn't private... (0+ / 0-)

        It was done on "Company" time...using "Company" resources...if I was caught doing that on Company time using Company resources...I'd be fired...if I had an employee doing that on "Company" time...using 'Company" resources...they'd be fired...no matter how well that employee performed...

        It's ridiculous that folks are defending his behavior all because he's a excellent Rep...when in fact they should be encouraging him to seek counseling...

        And besides...he'll never be an effective Rep again...how could anyone trust him with anything of importance or National Security matters if he is this careless...

      •  not good enough (0+ / 0-)

        We can ignore this specific issue by deriding it as prudery; but the epistemic weakness remains. What will it be next time? Climate? oil? Nuclear physics?

        Who knows on how many things we similarly deceive ourselves right now?

        no, ignoring this scandal as simple prudery is not good enough. The real scandal is how easily and eagerly we persuaded ourselves that lies are truth.

        Ceterum Censeo: Veritas et Libertas Ultra Omnis Sunto

        by Victor on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:17:16 PM PDT

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  •  Some of us did (3+ / 0-)
    We believed what we wished to believe.

    Some of us remained sceptical because the lack of a denial was extremely suspicious, and waited for it to play out.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:18:27 PM PDT

    •  That was also why I never jumped on the issue (1+ / 0-)
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      eXtina

      -- lack of forceful, decisive repudiation from Weiner. I read all those diaries, and sat, and waited for the other shoe to drop.

      If a guy most interested in putting this matter to rest can't issue one, it looks very suspicious.

      not giving in to your wishful thinking, remaining skeptical and thoughtful even when evidence can be construed to support your case, is a hard habit to learn.

      Ceterum Censeo: Veritas et Libertas Ultra Omnis Sunto

      by Victor on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:19:18 PM PDT

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  •  Victor - all political sites are echo chambers (4+ / 0-)

    including ours. This Rep Weiner issue aside, I have been surprised at the amount of misinformation we have at DKOS. I don't think it's deliberate at all, but people do not seem to think it's necessary to research and confirm facts before they write diaries or comments. I have also been surprised at how quickly we are as a community to believe information if it comes from a progressive source. I spent seven years in the MSM, but not on the news side. However, I did learn an important rule, believe nothing until you have researched it yourself, understand the context, and most importantly the other side of the story. Few things are as they appear at first. A classic was the Duke lacrosse rape case, which caused a lot of turmoil here.

    I watched the entire Rep Weiner press event and I thought he handled himself very well given the circumstances and I am glad he is not resigning. .

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:20:02 PM PDT

  •  The Brietbart who cried wolf (0+ / 0-)

    To me, the lesson is to keep your ammunition dry by not spreading false accusations.  

    Yes, those of us who gave Weiner the benefit of the doubt look a little silly today, but I was considering the source.

    Let's make sure that we on the left only level the accusations that are real.

    Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

    by Actuary4Change on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:20:56 PM PDT

  •  I haven't learned a damn thing (5+ / 0-)

    except to say what passes as scandal these days is pretty weak tea.

    Sending photos? Really? Who really cares except the media that loves salacious type of stories that might as well be on "Real Housewives"?

    What matters is...how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in making the lives of other people better.

    by wmtriallawyer on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:21:55 PM PDT

    •  Now I Can Agree There (2+ / 0-)
      except to say what passes as scandal these days is pretty weak tea.

      I know on my Flickr page there are a few pics of me on a couch with my cats. Me getting out of a lake at about 9,000 feet in Tahoe wearing nothing but a skimpy bathing suit. Even with a sign with a message to a friend (not sexual I might add).

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:27:25 PM PDT

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      •  I'm just thinking about how this blog (2+ / 0-)

        would react to Barney Frank's scandal in the '80s.

        Somehow, he survived just fine.

        What matters is...how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in making the lives of other people better.

        by wmtriallawyer on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:30:46 PM PDT

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        •  Last Year I Met A Women At A Bar (1+ / 0-)
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          wmtriallawyer

          and she just texted me her Facebook URL. She was a number of years younger them me. I went to it and found out she was a lot younger and had friends that were still in high school. There were a ton of pics that if those children were my children, well it would have freaked me out.

          I've seen countless stories where a star jock or somebody got in trouble (including teachers) for these types of pictures.

          I live in a pretty Republican district. I asked the lady that lives next door to me, who is a teacher, if anybody is looking at these pages.

          She asked me what I was doing when I was 17 and they kind of just not think about it. If their parents wanted to, fine, but the school kind of had an unwritten rules not to try to be the Internet police.

          I say that cause as I watch MSNBC now and everybody is freaking out .... it makes me wonder if they've ever been online.

          When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

          by webranding on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:41:10 PM PDT

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    •  it's not about the dick in the underwear (0+ / 0-)

      it's about how eagerly and quickly we came to believe our own wishful thinking. on how many other matters have we deceived ourselves so?

      How many such wishful falsehoods do we believe this very moment?

      Ceterum Censeo: Veritas et Libertas Ultra Omnis Sunto

      by Victor on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:21:39 PM PDT

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  •  I Have Something Of A Different Take (2+ / 0-)

    after just watching his entire press conference and seeing a few of the new pics. Other then what was this guy thinking, he is a very well known public official. It isn't like me sending out pics to somebody cause nobody knows who I am.

    I didn't believe the story at first cause it show such stupid and destructive behavior. Not something I'd remotely expect from a person I respect.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:22:53 PM PDT

  •  what we learned from the Weiner debacle? (3+ / 0-)
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    Jon Says, erush1345, fcvaguy

    the same thing we should have learned, and did not, from the Edwards debacle.

  •  A huge part of the incredulity (3+ / 0-)
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    Colorado is the Shiznit, Anak, neil

    was due to the fact that Breitbart broke the story. Had someone who wasn't known to publish patently false and/or heavily edited materials broke this story, there probably wouldn't have been near the pushback against it.

    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    by NMDad on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:24:04 PM PDT

  •  Well Just Wait As Folks Look At The Pics (0+ / 0-)

    in more detail. In a few of the photos I saw there are a ton of framed pictures in the background. Computer screens. Wait till folks start looking at what are in them.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:30:12 PM PDT

  •  Sigh.... (0+ / 0-)

    Science is hell bent on consensus. Dr. Michael Crichton said “Let’s be clear: The work of science has nothing to do with consensus... which is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right,”

    by Regina in a Sears Kit House on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:34:32 PM PDT

  •  What I've learned from this: (3+ / 0-)

    Far too many Americans care more about another dude's cock than they do about our country's actual problems.  The circuses continue their job of distracting the citizens.  I wish we as a country could grow up.

  •  I learned (2+ / 0-)
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    erush1345, webranding

    all politicians lie and they all think they can get away with anything.  I learned Wiener has brought the bright shiny object right in front of every person's home and everyone of them have too much time on their hands.
    I also have learned none of them need a cell phone, a computer or blackberry, Ipod or any device to communicate with folks because they can't get their hormones in control,  If he and others had put half as much time in creating jobs as they did into their egos, we would have an explosion of job opportunity.  

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

    by Vetwife on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:49:28 PM PDT

    •  As A Marketing/PR Guy If I Was The (1+ / 0-)
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      Vetwife

      Chief of Staff for one of these politicians I wouldn't let them have any piece of electronics other then a phone that will only make and receive calls.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 02:56:35 PM PDT

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      •  You are right (0+ / 0-)

        and I am beginning to think staff is legislating and the
        elected officials are out there muddying the waters.  We don't vote for the staff but the candidate with the most BS on the table,  Good Grief, any person with a pea brain would know with a name like Wiener you don't show pics of your wiener...covered or not.  You don't talk smack on an electronic device and did any of these people not learn anything from Nixon?  That was over 40 years ago and people are watching, listening and a whole lot more ruthless

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

        by Vetwife on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:03:30 PM PDT

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        •  Oh yeah..we are mute this week (0+ / 0-)

          because it will be Wiener all day and all night for the media whores.  We could actually be in danger and all we will hear is more about the beginning of this iceberg.

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it !

          by Vetwife on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 03:05:16 PM PDT

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  •  "We wished what we wished to believe" (1+ / 0-)
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    Victor

    And hide-rated and called trolls and worse, anyone who disagreed.

    I knew it was true the moment he couldn't swear it wasn't a picture of him. Anyone who was caught in this trap needs to SEREIOUSLY REEVALUATE how they interact here.

  •  I agree. Here's what I learned... (1+ / 0-)
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    Victor

    I read the interview with Dan Wolfe on Saturday -- and I started to believe him. And then I started to feel sorry for him.

    He's just a guy who reads blogs -- just like me. He seems like he leads a real unhappy life -- his ex-wife is suing him, and he has tax problems with the IRS. He caught a Congressman doing something wrong, and he (rightfully) publicized it.   And then private e-mails about his divorce ended up on The Smoking Gun.

    I'd assumed everything was crooked because Breitbart was involved, but apparently Wolfe just went to Breitbart because he knew the name from Breitbart's past take-downs. To be fair, it was kind of hard to follow the whole chain of events, and at what point Breitbart had gotten involved.  But yes, I admit it: Brietbart got this one right. If we're going to be reality-based, we have to admit that that's true.

    For what it's worth, The Smoking Gun already has evidence that Wolfe's handler (Mike Stack) had contact info for Republican Daryl Isaa. I think Republicans do look harder for scandals -- but Weiner's still the one that gave them something to find.

    The thing I'm most disturbed about is that Weiner admits he'd had contact with other women -- and I wonder if that was the original story that Mike Stack had been working on all along.  So it wasn't just a case of Wolfe being right about this Twitter tweet -- but that some of the additional concerns they had about Weiner might also be true.

    Anyways, it'd be nice if there were some way the left could reach out to the right and say "We admit it: you were right about this.  We acknowledge facts."  I've been asking myself how this absolute polarization between left and right can ever come to an end.  Maybe we can be the ones that make the first move:  "Okay, we agree with you on this. We're not all crazy; on some issues we can actually reach a consensus.

    "Maybe we could try reaching a consensus again sometime?"

  •  We were the only ones who did any investigating... (0+ / 0-)

    We should not be too hard on ourselves, liberal bloggers the only ones who bothered to investigate this thoroughly. If CNN engaged in any real investigative journalism, they would have been talking about Yfrog accounts, shady conduct by Bretibart and others, and what actually happens when a Twiiter acct. gets hacked.

    The lesson here is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly. I think liberals on Kos and elsewhere dove much deeper into this story than Dana Bash and her corporate colleagues, and we should be proud of that.

  •  One of the problems we faced was that (0+ / 0-)

    we considered Rep. Weiner a friend.  We thought of him as one of the good guys.  And we wanted to support him as we felt he has supported us in our desires for progressive governance.  

    What we forget, and what we should engrave on our eyeballs so that we do not ever forget again:  DC is corrupt and it corrupts people.  The aroma of power, the aphrodisiac of power, the elevation of status all act as corrupting forces, along with the desire to KEEP that power, KEEP that status, KEEP that elevation.

    We have allowed pols to break our hearts over and over again because we expect them to be braver than brave and resolute and strong in the face of huge temptations.

    There may be an answer to this, but it is not coming soon enough.

    boycott Koch = don't buy Northern TP

    by glitterscale on Mon Jun 06, 2011 at 04:54:35 PM PDT

  •  This diary is kind of ridiculous. (0+ / 0-)

    It's entirely natural and undestandable to believe the words of a public figure you like and trust, and, therefore to be credulous about scraps of evidence that support them, even if  as it turns out,they're lying. To suggest that we will be better human beings when we somehow evolve beyond this point is ridiculous. We won't evolve beyond that point, and it wouldn't make us "better."

    I, for one, believed Clinton when he said what he said. I was surprised when he said he had lied, but didn't care much, because lying about having an affair is one of the few forgiveable lies there is.

    "Weinergate" to me proves one of the most important political truths--NEVER APOLOGIZE. Weiner did make a mistake by lying. He should have just shrugged it off. "Was that wrong? Did I cross some line here?" (George Costanza) with a sheepish grin and a joke or two.

    If I knew it was comin', I could pull a jet plane.--Reggie Jackson

    by LongTom on Thu Jun 09, 2011 at 05:51:55 AM PDT

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