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    When you think you are having a bad day and depressed on the state of the country, the world and humanity. All you need do to see worse, is Google Alerts and certain key words like "attorney arrested". Today, we were made aware by such protocols of a vile and disgusting ring of offenders who traded in child pornography. Bullies of the highest order, delighting in the pain of the most innocents upon our earth.

     Can any decent human being comprehend the magnitude of these offenses. Not only is it intolerable, that child porn exists and prevails throughout the world. Inexplicably and almost too hard to fathom is the fact that this nefarious ring of perpetrators traded in child pornography with massive pictures of "Violent" pornographic abuse of children.

No decent person would ever even wish to see the pictures as a juror. How would you get the nightmares out of your mind? It makes my blood boil for the horror endured by the children. It enrages me that the offenders are so profuse and with deliberate proliferation, that there are massive amounts of pictures out there on this issue - like a society. DAM DAM DAM. Where in the f&%$ does this stuff come from. As a non-violent person, I am provoked beyond the realms of civility. It simply cannot be possible that kids are suffering, incessantly, in this manner. DAM...! How does anyone even begin to go down this pathway and become a perverse human being like this?

        DAM

NY District Attorney DA Vance Indictment (here)

    It states in the indictment by the NY District Attorney Cyrus R Vance Jr., that 26 people are "Charge for Possession of Graphic Images and Videos of Child Sexual Assault". Stating that the perpetrators traded in the pictures vastly

“These defendants stockpiled images of the brutal rapes and sexual assaults of tens of thousands of real children,” said District Attorney Vance. “These victims were made to engage in physically and psychologically damaging sexual assaults that were recorded and disseminated online, feeding the appetites of pedophiles for more victims. Every time a new image is created, a child is victimized. And every time someone views these images, these children are re-victimized.

“The defendants in these cases traded images of child sexual assault the way that others trade baseball cards,” District Attorney Vance continued. “They were curators of their collections, who carefully labeled, sorted and shared their cache with others. At least one of these defendants showed these graphic images of violent sexual assaults to other children in order to desensitize them. In at least two cases, the defendants expressed a desire to begin sexually assaulting children.

    Normally, I would be torn about posting this tool's picture on the story. However, the fact of the matter is, pleading not guilty and most likely coming out with a story later, that he was doing research for a sting operation - or some such other - simply does not  excuse the fact that he was viewing these pictures. Pictured right is Moshe Gerstein, born 2/5/1976. The indictment stipulates that he is charged with "promoting" the offensive materials and possessing such as well. He was an attorney with Gibson Dunn. The DA would not do a frivolous charge without concrete evidence. The Gibson Dunn firm has already relieved Gerstein from the firm (hope it was in a nano-second).

    A Harvard grad, with one of the largest law firms in the country. There was also a substitute teacher in New York and a time when they sent the pictures to a teenager in Canada. For what end I don't even desire to know.

This stuff stinks - it enrages me that they were a ring and the victims harmed should be able to take every living dime these poor excuses for human beings have. A case like this almost makes you lose all sympathy you ever had about the over reach of sexual offender registries and black listings.

See story links (here) stating;

Some of those arrested had jobs that put them in contact with children, including Joshua Ruiz, 32, who worked as a substitute teacher in New York public schools.

Glen Barfield, a 39-year-old architect, was accused of exchanging images of pedophilia with a 16-year-old boy living in Canada.

The authorities said they seized three computers at the home of Moshe Gerstein, a 35-year-old lawyer, containing about 5,000 images of child pornography.

There are plenty of Google stories about this item
http://www.google.com/...

DAM DAM DAM these people......

This Diary was HR'd by one who simply could have stated a remark. We are not finding guilt before trial - we are discussing the very fact that such evidence exists.

I N T O L E R A B L E  - that even 1 picture of such things exists

the fact that there are THOUSANDS means humanity has gone NUTS.

The NY DA said that

Three computers and an external hard drive containing a collection of approximately 5,000 images of child sexual assault were seized in GERSTEIN’s home. GERSTEIN is charged with Promoting a Sexual Performance by a Child and Possessing a Sexual Performance by a Child, according to his indictment.

http://www.manhattanda.org/...

Manhattan DA Vance also stated several of these guys WORKED with children

DAM

MIGUEL CARABALLO, 29, a dishwasher at a restaurant that caters to children

Other arrests included STEVEN ROMAN, 30, an employee at a children’s shoe store,

BARFIELD shared images of child sexual assault with a 16-year-old boy who lived in Canada using an Internet video chat feature

The attorney Gerstein had 3 computers and an external HDD to carry over 5000 pictures of child porn with him.

To HR me for putting up the NEWS pic - when that evidence exists is ABSURD


For the bantering horde - pie fighters - with their illogical and false remarks on what this article states. We, (those with great common sense and extensive fairness of mind) simply ask you qwirky do-nut throwers one simple, straight forward - thing.


What time tomorrow are you giving one of these guys the right to babysit your kids?


Originally posted to laserttheliquidator on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 04:15 PM PDT.

Also republished by WeeklyBUG.

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    •  HR'ed for assuming guilt and posting picture/name (2+ / 0-)
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      GeeBee, Danjuma

      Its irresponsible to post someone's name and picture like this. Remember, the guys haven't been convicted yet.

      •  They're only "accused".... (4+ / 0-)
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        laserhaas, Tookish, billpuppies, debedb

        puleeze... thousands of child pornographic pics in evidence?

        I was sexually abused as a little child but this is horrifying.

        "The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine

        by third Party please on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 06:11:43 PM PDT

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        •  according to the DA (1+ / 0-)
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          debedb

          If what the DA and news reports say are enough, then why have trials at all?

          I'm not saying these guys are innocent or guilty, but saying they are guilty because they've been charged is not what our legal system is all about.  

        •  evidence is for the trial (1+ / 0-)
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          fizziks

          not for you to convict people outside of it

        •  We are not in a court of law - We are OPINION (0+ / 0-)

          Court.

          The opinion by me (above) - states

          That the fact the evidence exists is INTOLERABLE _PERIOD

          There is no where in the article stating they are guilty by Court or PLEA.

          Attacking the messenger for reporting the crimes - does not bode well for your arguments. It makes no sense

          WHY HAVE TRIALS.

          And that "you to convict people outside of it"

          Was the DA and other MSM reports I quote guilty of what you accuse me of?

          GET REAL!

          Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

          by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:00:24 AM PDT

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      •  The picture was posted by the NEWS (4+ / 0-)

        it does not say he is guilty

        You are twirpish for acting defensive about such offensive behavior. We only reported what the story alleges.

        Sheeessshhhh

        Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

        by laserhaas on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 06:14:36 PM PDT

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      •  On top of that - the DA says he had 3 computers (2+ / 0-)
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        Tookish, mint julep

        and a Separate Hard Drive to carry the files with him

        GET REAL....

        Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

        by laserhaas on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 06:27:41 PM PDT

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        •  I have way more than 3 computers (1+ / 0-)
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          fizziks

          and more than one separate hard drive

          quick, judge me!

          •  Do you have a computer with 5000 kid porn pics (0+ / 0-)

            Compare apples to apples.

            Please

            Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

            by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:36:08 AM PDT

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            •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

              I have some computers that can be open for other people's access. I am not too paranoid when I need to be. If the system decides to punish me, I'm sure I'll find some on my computer. Grand jury, ham sandwich, police forensics, yawn.

               What's the argument, I don't really get it?

              Anyone here argued that kid porn is good?

              Some prosecutor somewhere decided it's an easy career move, great for him; he's no Spitzer. Great. He goes on TV and newspapers and parades his great spoils. He got some white collar guy, allegedly. For something. Allegedly.

              Whatever, you know. I don't think much of prosecutors.

              Go be an Elliot Spitzer. See how long you last.

              Finding a random guy to prosecute for 'kiddie porn' or for 'DUI' can excite your fans. I'm just not your fan.

              •  Hey - you are talking to the WRONG guy about (0+ / 0-)

                the System doing something it should not.

                Obviously you are anti Laser Haas and pro defense of these guys rights "not to be written about".

                Your inference that the evidence might be manufactured is taking far more liberty than your false allegation of my saying he is guilty.

                Where we are NOT in a court of law.

                DK is an Opinion Court - where we "promote" Progressive reform by finding fault with what is not right.

                Outside of quoting news articles and the News story picture

                my only other Opinion is DAM the fact that such evidence exists - IN EVEN 1 single INSTANCE.  Much less 5000

                How the flying f0000 could it be that 5000 kids pics are out there. Did 1 or several people get a crack at 5000 kids - or is it 1000 kids 5 times each - 200 kids 25 times each. Was it 1000 parents or people connected to the kids.

                I did not go into it - but I was abused too - when young.

                If this were my kids and I jumped the bench in the courtroom to beat up the guy that was trusted and took advantage of that trust

                Or you really then defending them? And still going to lambaste me?

                Get Real!

                Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:06:27 AM PDT

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                •  I'll just stay (1+ / 0-)
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                  om the other side of the system, especially in cases that are prone to hysteria. I thought "progressive values" included such things.

                  that's all.

                  •  You ARE entitled to your opinion. Even a legit (1+ / 0-)
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                    debate on what "progressive values" are/mean or should be.

                    It is also OK for you to say you don't like or approve of me or my re reporting the case.

                    But, you are pointing a finger at me and 3 back at yourself, when you infer what is not transpiring.

                    Those who posted here, replying - were Not my fans. Now one has popped up. But that is because she researched the issue and also researched who I am. She had previous experiences with bad faith counsels and law firms.

                    Because she and I agree - with her publicly expressing her support. Should not qualify her for your disdain.

                    The same way, my reporting the case and stating the fact that the pictures out there piss me off - is not a justifiable fact in evidence for your permanent disdain of me.

                    Most people that know me face to face - really like me.

                    You should too.

                    Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                    by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:46:26 PM PDT

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              •  When they lied about me in court - the web/blogs (0+ / 0-)

                became my forum.

                Sam Adams and others said

                To tyranny and corruption speak the truth - speak it often.

                IT WORKS - the inflexible sword of truth always slices away at manifest injustice.

                Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:11:40 AM PDT

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        •  oh, well if the DA says he has computers (1+ / 0-)
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          Trials are such a waste of time, aren't they?

          •  Your argument is what??? (0+ / 0-)

            Nothing in the diary above states trials are a waste of time.

            What the diary mostly contains is quotes of other stories and mostly the DA's allegations.

            Beyond that - it simply states - Repeatedly,

            that it PISSES me off GREATLY - that there can even be the possibility such evidence exists.

            Not only are the allegations about child porn - it is about physical assaulting/violent child porn.

            You cannot allow such stuff to simply be NOT mentioned - because you don't want to hear about it.

            That only Assists the perpetrators to become systemic.

            Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

            by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:04:41 AM PDT

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      •  T&R -- not JUST to offset idiot HR -- these sick (4+ / 0-)
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        Lujane, mint julep, billpuppies, laserhaas

        jerks may not be guilty. But the crap in their computers certainly suggests somebody was.

        LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 08:23:39 PM PDT

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    •  unwilingly uprated (1+ / 0-)
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      diary is knee-jerk emotional silliness, on the order of 'let's sentence child molesters for lifetime in prison' - 'i say sentence them to 10 lifetimes in prison, and my opponent is soft on crime'. But hr is not called for.

  •  My G-D! (5+ / 0-)

    This is what we’ve come down to... worse than animals.

    Nudniks need not apply.

    by killermiller on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

  •  This doesn't make much sense in context (2+ / 0-)
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    of what Daily Kos is all about without more info about this attorney and his role in the world of politics. This is a tragic story but I am uncertain of its relevance to D-Kos.

    •  EXCUSE ME? Kiddy Porn ISN'T political? (3+ / 0-)
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      billpuppies, mint julep, laserhaas

      What world do you live on?

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 08:34:17 PM PDT

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      •  Is their political support for (2+ / 0-)
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        debedb, laserhaas

        kiddie porn out there somewhere that I am missing? I see no political issue here. I think that right, left, and in between, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Tea Party, and Green all unanimously agree that kiddie porn is an evil. I don't see the political issue here. How is something with no political controversy a political issue?

        •  For the politics of this ... (3+ / 0-)
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          UnaSpenser, irishwitch, laserhaas

          ... I recommend you look up Andrew Vachss. He is a lawyer who works strictly for the children victimized in such activities. He also works on policy changes that are needed to better prosecute such crimes.
          Ultimately, though, I would say that mere awareness of such occurrences is a political issue.

          Money is a government program.

          by billpuppies on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 09:06:34 PM PDT

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        •  many topics which don't currently have any (5+ / 0-)

          "political support" get written about here.

          There are series such as "giving up smoking" and a science fiction book group. Gardening. Many more...

          We liveblog all kinds of crises.

          So, what's your point?

          •  Correct - UnaSpenser - our DK domain is for (0+ / 0-)

            the good people to discuss and review how to halt the bad.

            Bad government, bad government programs, bad persons and Big issues.

            Are abuse of prisoners and sexual offenders an issue for this realm. The stern way society treats them after they are found or plead guilty.

            YES, of course it is a political issues and so are major offensive issues such as these. We are to lobby our law enforcing programs heavier, to make sure it NEVER gets to 5000 pictures before they are ARRESTED!

            Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

            by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:08:56 AM PDT

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            •  SO what do YOU think should be done with (1+ / 0-)
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              laserhaas

              convicted but non-violent pedophiles? Yes, the penalties are harsh--and they DO deserve a roof over their heads.  But protecting kids comes first in my book.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:46:52 AM PDT

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              •  I concur, but you cannot be a true Democrat (0+ / 0-)

                if you believe that they are permanently damned for doing a vice. Heinous and egregious as it is, we do have a right to know a sexual predator is not in school with kids - they gave up that right when they committed the offense.

                If a teacher has to become a garbage man because he violated a child - that is a legitimate result.

                You lose your law license if you break the law
                A judge (should be) impeached for ruling in a self serving biased manner - or abusive manner.

                Does not mean they cannot live good lives. They have to EARN back our trust.

                Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:38:25 PM PDT

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                •  Precisely. (1+ / 0-)
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                  laserhaas

                  They have to earn back our trust.  And that means they have to prove they are no longer predators.  I think  the best solution is halfway houses for  fairly long period of time. And NO jobs involving children.

                  False equivalence with judges and lawyers.  They don't  commit crimes of the same sort as rapists and pedophiles. They vioalte ethics standards, not bodies of children. Have you ever held a sobbing 12 year-old who was raped by a neighbor? Or an eleven-year-old-girl whsoe father had been molesting her for years? Only reason her hymen was intact was that her vagina was too small for easy entry--he was a non-violent sexual predator. I have worked with both of those victims.  Comparing an unethical lawyer or a judge who took bribes to their rapists is ridiculous.

                  It is also hardly a vice. It's RAPE. Period. It may not be violent rape, but all the studies show that sexual abuse as a child causes people lots of problems in later life.

                  The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                  by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:34:30 PM PDT

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                  •  There is both rape and just having the pics/vids (0+ / 0-)

                    here in the indictment.

                    So it is the vice that also is part of the rape or knowledge after the fact (violation of 18 USC 4 MisPrison of a Felony).

                    And you are correct - early abuse - messes with your mind.

                    I suffered much because of it....

                    Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                    by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:45:01 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, I've seen people claim (1+ / 0-)
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          laserhaas

          that possession of kiddy porn should be legal since it's a thought crime".  Even they agree that making it does harm kids--unless they're NAMBLA types.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 11:44:55 AM PDT

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          •  This is a good banter/debate threshold. A legit (0+ / 0-)

            discussion on the issue should be a consensus on what is and is not a crime.

            A thought crime is a Thought.

            Not providing a manual (Pics) of how to do the crime, that brings a "thought" public.

            You cannot be guilty of a bird flying over your head.

            When you allow it to build a nest there - that is a bad thing.

            Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

            by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:40:58 PM PDT

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            •  You ignore the fact that predators use kiddy porn (1+ / 0-)
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              during the part of the cycle in which they aren't actively molesting. They use it to build up the urge to rape again. Sorry, bad comparison. When someone uses kiddy  porn (in which real children were harmed to produce it), it becoems part of the crime.

              The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

              by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:36:36 PM PDT

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              •  Do concur - greatly - with your last 2 comments (0+ / 0-)

                irishwitch (real uncanny name - welcome to such a fold).

                It is a political issue. Wise people discuss and resolve such issues by not being lax, apathetic or willfully blind.

                Concur that - it begins somewhere else and escalates.

                I do not ignore it - for my anger above it that the "beginning" finds a way to prevail so much - they purportedly amassed 5000 pics and videos.

                The fact that some (purportedly) also enjoyed or kept pics of VIOLENCE against kids - regardless of whether it is porn or not

                PISSES me off greatly.

                I HATE bullies - and would most likely become guilty of too much brute force if I were to catch one or more of these people in the act of their crimes.

                Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

                by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:43:09 PM PDT

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                •  WHen we took the call about the eleven year old (0+ / 0-)

                  I was a volunteer crisis council at the local rape crisis hotline, as was my now-deceased first husband. He and another male friend met the mother and child at the hospital (mother hadn't wanted to report; neighbor told her if she wouldn't, the neighbor would--mother went back to husband despite this) along with me. My late hsuband and the police officer spent  thirty minutes finding phrasing that wasn't something that could be used at trail by the defense to describe what had happened. This poor cop had steam coming from his ears, he was so angry. Had the father given him an excuse, he'd have happily beaten the crap out of him, but was capable of restraint and merely arrested him.

                  The  nick comes from being Irish-American and Wiccan.  Been Irish since I was born 61 years ago, Wiccan for 40+. I'm not exactly new here--been here since 2005.

                  We don't handle pedophiles well.  We can't have them living under underpasses. That doesn't work.

                  But on recidivism rates--

                  There is a perception that the vast majority of sex offenders will repeat their crimes. Research studies by the US Dept. of Justice and the Canadian Government have found, however, that sexual offense recidivism rates are much lower than commonly believed, averaging between 14 and 20% over 5-year follow-up periods. Studies that have tracked sex offenders over longer follow-up periods have found that pedophiles who molest boys, and rapists of adult women, were the types of offenders most likely to recidivate at rates of 52% and 39% respectively. Repeat offenders are more likely to reoffend than first-time offenders. Those who comply with probation and treatment have lower reoffense rates that those who violate the conditions of their release. Sex offenders who target strangers are more dangerous than those with victims inside their own family.

                  It is also important to recognize that official recidivism statistics are always lower than actual reoffense rates, because some sex offenders commit many sex crimes that go unreported and undetected. It is estimated that less than 10% of all sex crimes result in a criminal conviction. This means that there are many sex offenders in our communities who have not yet been identified

                  http://www.atsa.com/...

                  The real problem is we DON'T know how high the recidivism rate is--because it's only the ones who get caught who are counted.  We need to treat them (studies show a 40% reduction of recidivism among those treated) and we need to provide them with a job and a place to live away from schools and playgrounds.  

                  I am pretty tolerant on sex, being a kinky type who beelives in Safe, Sane and COnsensual.  But when it comes to kids, we need to protect them frist--but locking pedophiles up in mental hospitals indefinitely  doesn't seem right either--and may well be unconstitutiona;l.

                  The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                  by irishwitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 04:53:37 PM PDT

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  •  I wanted to offer my encouragement ... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... for posting this article. It is something that many people do not like to be reminded of, but we do need to be generally aware that such things occur, even among successful, respected professionals. They do not get caught if we are not open to the possibility it is happening.

    Money is a government program.

    by billpuppies on Wed Jun 15, 2011 at 08:57:19 PM PDT

  •  Going to ignore the pie fight (3+ / 0-)
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    roseeriter, laserhaas, billpuppies

    I worked at GDC and other law firms for many years.  You would not believe the corrupt things I saw.  Well, you would because you posted this.

    You deserve to be kudo'd for bringing this to our attention.

    Please don't pay attention to anyone who is definitely trying to make you feel like you did something wrong.  You didn't.  And it's pertinent - on many levels, btw.  I'd point them out but it would probably just start another pf.

    P.S.  I read about you on your site and I have so much admiration for you.  What a survivor you are!

    •  You are too sweet shantysue - and Correct. (2+ / 0-)
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      This is a great political issue. The article that follows up will have much more research - especially (if/when) trial or pleas transpire.

      You, are the quantified type of person that understands how horrific corruption, laxity and willful blindness destroys the American (and Progressive) soul.

      Many of our politicians ARE lawyers - who utilize their strength of firm and clientele to receive Get out of Jail free cards on many crimes.

      This time, KUDOs goes to NY Manhattan DA's office and staff for NOT permitting anyone to get away with this type stuff.

      Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

      by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 02:43:39 AM PDT

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      •  laserhaas you will be redeemed (2+ / 0-)
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        The pain you suffer(ed) will serve you well, dear laserhaas, in allowing you to keep wisdom deep inside you.  That type of strength cannot be destroyed.  The chasm cannot be repaired, but that is good because it also means no one, not one person on this earth, can ever get to your core.  Remember that, dear man, for that is your gift.  Use it well - ALWAYS!

        Such truth in this sentence:

        Many of our politicians ARE lawyers - who utilize their strength of firm and clientele to receive Get out of Jail free cards on many crimes.

        And, oh yes, do I have stories!

        My generation f'd your generation (a spoiled generation that destroyed everything in its path) and we are paying and will continue to pay the price.  I don't know if you've seen all the hacking going on lately, but I feel the "Egypt" in our country will come by way of bringing down those who have the most to lose, most likely through the internet.  I think we are there, actually.

        I'm glad you understood you were being lied to.  That makes me happy.

        Looking forward to reading your posts and comments.

        C U on the boards.

        •  It is not quantitative - but qualitative responses (1+ / 0-)
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          such as yours shantysue, that can help make things right.

          Both Einstein and Sam Adams - as well as our Constitution  - said basically the same thing.

          It is not the evil that men may do - we have to worry of.

          It is the good people who stand by idle and Watch!

          Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

          by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:09:15 AM PDT

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  •  Banter pie fighters - if they are found Not guilty (0+ / 0-)

    what would you have to say about that?

    Let's say the search warrant is written for the wrong Hard Drive - a Western Digital vs Seagate. Then the evidence gets thrown out of court.

    Would you then hire Gerstein to watch your kids?

    Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

    by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:20:18 AM PDT

  •  PIE fight banter RD2. OJ is innocent - correct? (0+ / 0-)

    If you want to go off on issues not germane, lets ride the merry go round.

    The issue to discuss and my rants of anger above - are about the fact that child porn is combined with physical violence.

    Whether they are guilty or not - someone put those pictures out there - 5000 of them

    FIVE THOUSAND PICTURES OF CHILD PORN AND VIOLENT CHILD PORN.

    Verbal repetitive reinforced Bull S; is MSM weapon of mass destruction!

    by laserhaas on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:23:45 AM PDT

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