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Nine out of ten House seats are on his shoulders. (Reuters/Kevin Lamarque)

There was some anecdotal evidence that freshman Republican members of Congress were under fire for their vote on the Republican budget slashing Medicare, Medicaid and providing even more tax cuts to rich people. That's been clear from the town meetings over the last few months where they have regularly faced constituent ire.

That's in part because Republican districts would be most impacted by the Medicare cuts.

Nine of the 10 districts throughout the U.S. with the most people age 45-54 are represented by Republicans, including [Rep. Michael] Fitzpatrick [R-PA], a Bloomberg analysis of census data shows. Those would be among the first Americans to no longer have Medicare as an open-ended entitlement, and instead would be given money to buy private insurance when they’re eligible, under the plan.

Fitzpatrick, like the other Republicans, said he stands by his position.

“All the important votes that I cast as their representative that are directed toward putting the country’s fiscal house back in order will be difficult,” the 47-year-old lawmaker said in an interview. “It requires tough choices.”

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Other Republican lawmakers said Democrats should offer their own proposal to reform Medicare....

“Are there other alternatives out there?” said [Rep. Scott] Garrett [R-NJ], 51. Garrett, who got 65 percent of the vote in 2010, said he doesn’t believe his support for the Ryan plan makes him vulnerable with voters next year.

That's wishful thinking if I've ever heard it. It's as wishful as thinking that "it's not an unpopular plan, we just haven't messaged it right," or "the Democrats did it first," are going to be effective strategies for making voters think that Republicans aren't throwing them to the wolves.

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  •  For a problem in 2024? That may not be a problem (6+ / 0-)

    by 2024 no we don't have a solution yet but we're chewing on it...

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:23:03 AM PDT

  •  Their freedom agenda #1 The freedom to stay sick (11+ / 0-)

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ Bill Moyers

    by Lefty Coaster on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:24:25 AM PDT

    •  The Freedom to chose Purina or house brand (10+ / 0-)

      cat food to live on

      We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

      by JML9999 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:33:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Let them! (2+ / 0-)
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        agnostic, Matt Z

        I say enact the Medicare cuts in the districts of the Congressmen who vote for them. Then, 2 years down the road, the people of those districts can elect different Congressmen, unless they like their cuts. If so, they can have their cuts for another 2 years unless and until they elect different Congressmen.

        It is, after all, the exact government the people in these Republican districts want and are voting for. Let them enjoy the full measure of Republican government instead of taking progressive government for granted while trying to destroy it.

        There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...
        I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ~ Robert Kennedy

        by Reality Bites Back on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:56:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  agreed (1+ / 0-)
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          Reality Bites Back

          If they succeed, they will make America a third world country. Then there is no telling how people will take the unfairness, the growing divide between haves and have nots, and the destruction of the middle class.

          The more I see the GOP misbehave, the more it reminds me of the post 1929 era.

          What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

          by agnostic on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:39:19 AM PDT

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  •  There are tons of seniors here... (9+ / 0-)

    In Southern Nevada. Our Republican Congressman's flame-throwing in calling Social Security a "pyramid scheme" doesn't seem to be making him any more allies. (He already has the teabaggers on his side.) The more he aligns himself with Paul Ryan's "bold" plan to impoverish America's seniors and disabled, the more politically vulnerable he makes himself.

  •  Other Alternatives? (13+ / 0-)

    Scott Garrett asks, whimsically.  Why, yes, there are other alternatives out there, Mr. Garrett, since you have obviously not been paying attention.

    Make corporations and rich people pay taxes!  Prosecute tax evaders!  

  •  Medicare 'Plan' (10+ / 0-)

    ...maybe i'm missing something but isn't the Affordable Care Act a plan that deals with health care in as comprehensive way as ever has been done yet? I wish it were a single payer with 100% all in participation but it is a plan that impacts Medicare/Medicaid directly by at least addressing health care costs which are what is really in need of reform. Medicare/Medicaid are fine. It's the costs that are killing us.

    Anyway, when i hear republicans say the democrats have no plan, i wonder why they get away with this when ACA is law now.

  •  Why do Rethugs hate their constituents? (3+ / 0-)
  •  Way OT but this site (9+ / 0-)

    is truly fucked up right now -- re: diary list, comment counts, clicking on prior comments (error messages).

    And on topic -- I am not one to say -- haha -- you get what you voted for.  Poor people, no matter what their political persuasion, do not need to be screwed.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:29:48 AM PDT

  •  Make room for grandma! (2+ / 0-)
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    MartyM, Brooke In Seattle

    Looks like it's Medicaid.  Disgusting.

  •  First off (0+ / 0-)

    these Republican "law makers" do not give a rats ass if people get hurt. Their only concern is to fatten the pockets of their benefactors and that, by God, they are doing with great zest and dtermination. Secondly if they want to improve Medicare possibilities go to single payer, electronic records and evidenced based medicine. That will be a good way to start

  •  Well, they can always prevent the (2+ / 0-)

    Dems from saying nasty things about them -- like repeating the terms they themselves used in franked materials.

    One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision -- Bertrand Russell

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:35:33 AM PDT

  •  drug prices (2+ / 0-)
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    maybeeso in michigan, antirove

    When Bushie got the prescription plan passed, it had a restriction against bargaining for rx prices.  Last time I saw this mentioned, medicare payed 40% more for prescriptions than does the VA--why hasn't that provision been overturned?

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:37:13 AM PDT

  •  Democrats have a solution (3+ / 0-)

    its called MEDICARE.  Now if the Repubs would just stop trying to fuck it up ever chance the get.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:38:13 AM PDT

  •  I live in a Republican district (1+ / 0-)
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    rikyrah

    and my rep hasn't had a serious Dem challenger in years.

    And all the votes he's taken this year are against real people and for the big-shot money guys and gals.

    Maybe this year, the 50-state strategy could be put to good use again.

    Give people an alternative candidate to vote for, one that stands for the opposite of what Republicans are on record as standing for (the Ryan budget, "premium support" for Medicare), and some Dems might make a serious showing.

    I don't expect it in my district though. I live in Texas, in John Carter's district, and that asshole is against VA benefits yet represents Fort Hood, is against education yet represents an area with numerous colleges, and is against people in general it seems, but he has won year after year in spite of it. The Texas Democratic Party can't seem to be bothered to even try when it comes to these long-time representatives, but the Republicans run someone against Lloyd Doggett every damn election. WHY??

    I am for term limits, no matter what you say about losing good people like Bernie Sanders or Ted Kennedy, both long-term legislator good guys. I don't care. For every Bernie or Ted, you get 10 assholes who are ruining this country. If there were term limits, NOBODY could get an entrenched advantage. And turn over the damn staff too, if you think that therein advantage lies. If you think it's unfair to deprive them of their hard-won government job, rotate them into another position to keep office power from accumulating in any one set of hands.

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:38:18 AM PDT

  •  Young folks may be too far away (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    to worry about their own medical costs as they age, but they should be reachable by asking them how they will like it when their parents have to move in with them and rely on them for helping pay for their medical expenses or to watch them die without them.

    "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou

    by ahumbleopinion on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:38:59 AM PDT

    •  They have to worry about their parents. (1+ / 0-)
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      ahumbleopinion

      That's why a lot of people should be paying attention.  Right now, Medicare does a damn good job for seniors.  The Ryan plan will make anyone with a parent 50 and over, responsible for what Medicare and Medicaid now takes care of.  

  •  this stuff is sad (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    i wish the Republicans could understand what they are doing.

    maybe they think family will pick up the tab for relatives in health care issues. but most poor people come from poor families.

    Just say' NO' to conspiracy theories

    by Krush on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:39:59 AM PDT

  •  Baucus got Medicare for All (0+ / 0-)

    In Libbey Montana!.  Curious how he arrested single payer folks and kept it off the table then used Medicare to help WR Grace.

  •  What if I don't buy the Insurance? (0+ / 0-)
    and instead would be given money to buy private insurance

    Probably not how it would work. Does Ryans plan stipulate how the funds go from the federal gov't to me to the ins co?

    I really don't believe that the Federal Government is going to be "giving me money"

    The authors of the article, Timothy R. Homan and Drew Armstrong,  GOT IT WRONG.

    Notice: This Comment © 2011 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:44:12 AM PDT

  •  I would be laughing... (0+ / 0-)

    Except I am in the demographic.

    If this plan is so wonderful, why not start with the senors getting benefits now.

    [F]undamentalists pretty much fall under the same banner ie. "we cant control our junk" - LaFeminista

    by RichM on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:44:47 AM PDT

  •  Just more proof (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle

    that people vote against their economic interests because they are One Issue Voters - Some ridiculous moral issue that really isn't something that can be legislated. Lack of an educated electorate and the exploitation of them by the corporate dogs that buy off the Politicians.  

  •  Paul Ryan: Clueless Rich Boy (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    The guy comes across as so disconnected with the average person that he's practically an alien -- albeit a dumb one. E.T. go home.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:50:42 AM PDT

  •  I'm calling Bullsh*t on this scheme (0+ / 0-)

    Ain't no way even the most rabid repub politician is gonna be in favor of eliminating Medicare or changing it to some kind of voucher system.  Ain't no way any repub is gonna go after Social Security either.

    Both of these government programs are working just fine...thank you.  And, they know that.  It's just a scheme to give one particular part of their supporters a woody while being disengenuous about their support.

    Not difficult to see through this scheme.

    -- **Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.**

    by r2did2 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:52:04 AM PDT

  •  Joan, having just read (0+ / 0-)

    your diary about the appalling Republican censorship of a Democratic house member that omitted mentioning that Democrats did the same thing to Republicans in 2009, I find I now have little confidence in what you write. That's a shame because I never thought your writing was misleading before.

    It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

    by Red Bean on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 09:52:41 AM PDT

    •  difference? (1+ / 0-)
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      57andFemale

      What the Dem wanted to say is exactly what the Repubs were saying before they realized it was a loser.  And the language was already approved and used previously.  I'd have to see the exact situation from 2009 to see if it's relevant or not.  Got any links?

      Government can't restrict free speech, but corporations can? WTF

      by kyoders on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:06:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I don't question (0+ / 0-)

        that there is a bottomless well of hypocrisy on the Republican side. But I don't see that as a justification for censoring their material and then shrieking when they do it to us. Or for conveniently forgetting to mention that we did it to them in the first place.

        And the argument that we censor lies and they censor the truth is only going to guarantee self-righteous acts of censorship by both sides.

        The link is in Joan's diary about censorship. I'm not including it because I don't have a NYT subscription.

        It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

        by Red Bean on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:18:29 AM PDT

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        •  Is fact-checking and fact-correction (0+ / 0-)

          really censorship?
          Face it, if Republicans felt they were getting even one ounce of unjust treatment, we would have heard it shouted from the rooftops for years on end as if they had been strung up by their eyelids for centuries.
          That we heard nothing when the Dems "did it, too" tells me that even they realize there is a difference . . .

          •  They shouted (0+ / 0-)

            They shrieked. They cried Soviet censorship and fascism.

            A little searching found ample coverage of the issue of Fox in 2009. Their complaints mirrored perfectly the ones we're seeing here. I'm not going to link but they're not hard to find.

            If you think about it, it's not surprising the story wouldn't have gotten much attention at the time on this side of media aisle.

            It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

            by Red Bean on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 03:59:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

          I read at the link you indicated.  I'm beginning to see this as a matter of degrees, and I agree that it is not a good thing to rely on.  It seems that the Rs calling the health care legislation "government takeover of health care" is factually wrong.  I don't see how one could say "death tax" is factually wrong.  So he said, she said.

          However, I don't ever remember any Democrats referring to it as "government takeover of health care" or "government run health care."  I do remember hearing Rs refer to the Rs budget as "Ryan's plan," (Boehner), and Ryan himself called them vouchers.

          I think Joan could have, and maybe should have, included the part about the Dems behavior in 2009.  I think it would have been a good opportunity to point out the differences (I don't care a bit about being "fair" to Rs).

          Government can't restrict free speech, but corporations can? WTF

          by kyoders on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 06:14:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Rather than being (0+ / 0-)

            concerned about being fair to Rs, I'm disappointed that Joan wasn't fair to us. The diary as written left out essential facts. The purpose of that was to outrage readers. It succeeded with this one. I was livid and stunned. My reaction was both dismay that the I'm now living in a country where the party in power can control the message of the party out of power and rage at the Republicans for once again shamelessly taking a sledgehammer against democracy.

            It turns out the story was much more complicated. House rules say that members aren't supposed to use these mailers to blatantly campaign. There's a committee that oversees this rule. Because taxpayer money is used to fund these mailers they believe this gives them authority to censor materials. Members can use their own funds or party funds to send out whatever they want. And of course, we now know that the Democrats had used that power to edit the mailers in 2009.

            While I don't expect every diary to be a complete history of the topic its on, I do expect or at least hope that when I read something it won't be so lacking in background that I'm not able to either understand what's going and have a rational reaction to it, rather than being manipulated by an author who sees as so many troops to manipulate and enrage.

            You seem to come to a similar conclusion, that the story needed to be more complete, for a somewhat different reason. We both agree that the story missed some key facts.

            It takes a lot of time to be a genius, you have to sit around so much doing nothing, really doing nothing. - Gertrude Stein

            by Red Bean on Fri Jun 17, 2011 at 08:00:23 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  One for all (0+ / 0-)

    I just wish the Republicans would drop the pretense of this 55 and under stuff.  If it works for the younger crowd, why not implement it for everyone right away?  Wouldn't the savings be greater that way?

  •  That the populace (0+ / 0-)

    supports medicare is supposed to be some kind of breaking newsflash?

    For this to be a political wedge issue of significance, in the electoral sense, wouldn't the Dems have needed to represent, uh, the populace, and the electorate, you know, instead of Big PhRMA and AHIP in their HC'r' efforts?

    That the Republicans are further to the reviled and failed right on healthcare than the corporate appeasing, failed industry re-trenching Big-Boy Pants(tm) Dems, doesn't begin to address the real politics, or real possibilities, of this issue.

    Political reality has been sold out.  Or obliterated.

    When it is stooge vs ideologue what's to chose?

    This is choice offered to the electorate.  Those who pretent to see and want something better should not participate.  It is a shame that dkos continues to offer up irrelevant, apolitical, partisan posturing over addressing reality.

    Please don't feed the security state.

  •  It figures (0+ / 0-)

    Of course, here we go again. People who vote for the GOP agenda are voting against their own interest 95% of the time. It figures these voters would be hurt the most. When will people get it? The GOP game is always a diversion. Ignore Ryan's kill Medicare bill and focus on Anthony Weiner. I'm glad he's resigning today. And if it's not Weiner, it's racist/ sexist demagoguery that the GOP uses to win elections. Exhibit A, the anti-Janice Hahn racist/sexist rap sicko video done to aid GOP candidate Craig Huey in the Calif. 36th CD special election to be held on 7/12/2011. Dems. must vote in droves by mail or at the polls to keep Craig "Sarah Palin" Huey from winning. For more on this key Hahn/Huey race, read   this  

  •  When the Republicans take away their Medicare... (2+ / 0-)
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    yoduuuh do or do not, antirove

    ...the teabaggers will blame President Obama.

  •  Money to buy insurance... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that if the GOPers had their way, the insurance companies would be under NO obligation to sell to aging seniors who, by simple dint of their age have probably accumulated at least a few "pre-existing conditions" over their lifetime.  In short, if you get sick and aren't rich, die quickly -- that's the GOP position.

    The part I find almost (not really, but almost) funny is how the collective sociopathy of the Republican Party is utterly incapable of comprehending how people now over the age of 55 can care at all for the health and well-being of other, younger people.

    "Don't ride in anything with a Capissen 38 engine. They fall right out of the sky." -- Kaywinnit Lee Frye

    by Technowitch on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 10:26:27 AM PDT

  •  now that the latest sex scandal (0+ / 0-)

    is finally being put behind us, can we all start focusing again on how the Republicans are trying to screw everyone again, like with their continuing efforts to kill off Medicare as we know it?

  •  Wuss (0+ / 0-)
    “All the important votes that I cast as their representative that are directed toward putting the country’s fiscal house back in order will be difficult,” the 47-year-old lawmaker said in an interview. “It requires tough choices.”

    Yeah, but raising taxes to a sensible level is WAY too tough a choice for Fitzpatrick to even consider.

    Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith

    by John Q on Thu Jun 16, 2011 at 01:58:48 PM PDT

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