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At this point I find most of the debates about the 2012 elections to be quaint.  I also feel sorry to see how many people want to believe that things are normal and that even though we are going through a tough time because of the economy and the intransigence of the republican party, that we still have a chance to turn things around in the 2012 election.

It conjures up the image of a "deer in the headlights" or of "sheep being led to slaughter."

Now, I know that the statement above is kind of harsh, and with the objective of no muddling the message (and trying to avoid getting too many flames), let me make the obligatory statement and encourage people to vote (for Obama), and participate in the political process, etc. That's all good.

I also encourage people to prepare and get ready for the impending shock which (I believe) will happen before the 2012 election.

This prediction is predicated upon a conclusion I've reached about the current state of affairs of the system of government in the United States.

I've covered these issues in previous diaries, including "2012 Will Mark The Final Collapse of Democracy in The U.S.", "The Nascent American Plutocracy - Tuesday, June 14th, 2011", and "The Canary in the Coal Mine - Take Action,The Danger is Imminent".

So in favor of brevity, I'll get straight to the point. I'll start with a brief summary: A very well-organized group of people and organizations joined forces over four decades ago with the express purpose of radically changing the nature of the socioeconomic and political system in the United States, influenced by the philosophies espoused by (right wing) intellectuals like Leo Strauss, and Ayn Rand.  Their philosophies are influenced by ideas around Social Darwinism and eugenics.

A very important phase in their plan came about during the 2000's when they were able to implement what I call "Phase II."  This included the dismantling of the regulatory infrastructure, curtailment of civil rights and constitutional protections, and the final takeover of the entire media infrastructure (in order to turn it into the most sophisticated and effective propaganda machine ever known).

By 2005 the neo fascist infrastructure was fully in place, and then it was time to deploy it on the populace.  This time of deployment (historically) takes a decade or more (see Naomi Wolf, and Naomi Klein videos below).

The Great Recession caused by the 2008 financial crisis (due to trillions of dollars being looted by Wall Street) served as an initial "shock" to paralyze the citizenry so many pieces of the neo fascist infrastructure could be implemented.

So based on this background, I'm prepared to make a hard prediction about what's going to happen before the 2012 election.  If I were to quantify the certainty of this prediction, I would say I'm 85% certain this will happen.

Next "Shock"

There will be a series of events that will be used by the nascent neo fascist ruling class to consolidate power, which will be the culmination of their 40-year plan.

Any kind of "security-related" event will be blown out of proportion and there will be a huge media drumbeat, which will allow the neo fascist to finalize the implementation of an oppressive security apparatus.  Keep in mind, once this happens, there will be no going back...

I'm predicting (on this I'm 95% sure) that there will be another catastrophic financial collapse which will serve as another shock to the populace.  Remember, the previous shocks (during the 2000's) turned the population into virtual zombies, dormant, apoplectic, in the face of some of the most egregious transgressions by the neo fascist ruling elite.  The next shock is going to finish the job.

Folks, you've heard about terror... Well this is one application of it.  People that now think they have it bad (long-term unemployed, newly homeless, etc.) will be rendered apoplectic by the terror inflicted by the new criminal ruling class that has taken over.

Two things are going to happen... The majority of the population will not understand what's happening and will be easily manipulated, and confused.  As always in history, the people that do get it will be a minority (writers, intellectuals, activists, etc.).  This people will be targeted in multiple ways in order to prevent them from trying to wake people up from their slumber.

Also, there will be quasi-paramilitary cells around the country.  This is a combination of organizations like the formerly named Blackwater, and right-wing groups that are now being manipulated by radio talk hosts, and the NRA.

What's going to emerge after this process will be a fully entrenched and powerful small Neo-fascist ruling elite, and a compliant populace that will be easily manipulated and exploited.

Resistance

On this, I'm also 85% sure that is not going to happen, but for what is worth it, let me share what I believe is a prescription to properly address this current state of affairs.

There has to be a well-organized and deliberate push to have all major progressive organizations, labor unions, activists, etc., unite with the understanding that we are facing nothing less than the end of America as we know it.

In a normal situation (if the populace wasn't sleeping at the wheel) we would have a constant and relentless wave of massive (well-organized, with staying power) protests around the country and in Washington demanding the restoration of constitutional protections, accountability for crimes committed by Wall Street, and push-back against draconian laws and acts harming the working people of this country.

My concern is that by the time people feel desperate enough to do this it would be too late.  The neo fascist infrastructure would have been fully deployed.  Any effective leaders would have been neutralized.  And the most powerful brainwashing tool in the form of the mainstream media in the U.S. would exert almost complete control on the populace.

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  •  A "dear" in the headlights? (3+ / 0-)
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    Senor Unoball, rb608, mr crabby

    Reminds me of the time I nearly ran over my spouse. But I have also caught a deer in the headlights. Not sure which I prefer.

  •  Dude. You're thinking too small. This began (12+ / 0-)

    in the 1930s with Prescott Bush and Fred Koch.  After the Smedley Butler attempt to impose a Fascist dictatorship through a military coup, and after the popularity of the New Deal programs, these guys realized that they would have to systematically destroy everything that the United States was founded on.  The "defeats" of the Birch Society and Goldwater were part of the plan.  Their only purpose was to start bringing these ideas into the mainstream.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:49:41 AM PDT

    •  Smedley Butler Ratted Them Out (12+ / 0-)

      They (wealthy industrialists) attempted to enlist him but he exposed them instead.  I read about it elsewhere but just reviewed wikipedia to see if my recollection was wrong.

      One of my favorite essays is Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket

    •  Yes, this is generational, names may (9+ / 0-)

      change, but the families remain the same.  Why are there 400 families that control the lion's share of the wealth of this country?  It isn't an accident.

      The CIA was birthed during the Truman administration and has been  gaining power ever since.  It's first head was Allan Dulles, soul-mate of Prescott Bush.  I believe it was contructed to undercut the elected leadership of this country and run covert operations to keep us all crazy.  

      Here is another feature of the police state forming up:

      http://www.infragard.net/

      This outfit includes business and religious leaders who can be counted upon to keep an eye on those in their community that might be a "problem".  The religious leaders are being trained to take control in local emergencies and to keep the populace complacent.  It all seems like such a good idea, except it isn't.  We used to have fits about stories from Russia and Germany where family members turned in family for wrong thinking.  We aren't that far off the mark when we have a deputized corporate/church hierarchy that works hand in glove with the FBI.

      Terrorist and Communist are now interchangeable terms.  The government uses them as excuses for their excess.    

      •  serendipitous (1+ / 0-)
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        "The religious leaders are being trained to take control in local emergencies and to keep the populace complacent."

        I was just at the Fort Sheridan cemetery, where they had a special monument to a Priest who was a Major/Chaplain at the base for a few decades around the turn of the 20th century.  The monument described how he helped "mediate" between strikers at the Pullman Plant and the soldiers from Fort Sheridan sent in to break the strikes.

      •  no, no, and no. (0+ / 0-)

        I know a little something about infraguard.

        It's not about ratting out your dark-skinned neighbors when someone wearing a veil comes over to visit them.  

        It's about people in critical infrastructure fields developing strategies to protect facilities such as rail networks, chemical plants, the power grid, the telecom grid, etc.  

        Think of it as neighborhood watch for industrial stuff on a national scale.  You don't go getting paranoid about neighborhood watches, do you?  

    •  Nah, you didn't have enough to drink. (1+ / 0-)
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      killjoy

      A few more bottles and you should be able to trace at least to 500 BC.

  •  We had a similar set up in the Great Depression (5+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, ybruti, AnnieR, Badabing, killjoy

    Along came FDR.  

    The darkness drops again but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? William Butler Yeats

    by deepsouthdoug on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:52:41 AM PDT

  •  Checking calendar.... (4+ / 0-)
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    Yep, it's Thursday.

  •  I'm afraid that WE (7+ / 0-)

    don't want you spilling the beans this soon. A containment team has been dispatched to your location to correct the situation.  Please remain where you are and remain calm. It's all part of the plan.

    To all the other readers, rest assured that i'm only kidding with Ray. He will be fine and free to pursue a life of religious fulfillment.

  •  well, look, we all know here a lot of things (2+ / 0-)
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    liberte, Senor Unoball

    are pretty rotten and even more things could be better

    but, geez, if nothing else will make me apoplectic, reading your stuff certainly will

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:56:53 AM PDT

  •  85% huh? (5+ / 0-)

    Now did this come from an actual statistical analysis or did you you just pull it out of the air? You know, the entire premise of your diary is to put this in a friendly, non-judgmental way, wacky. The USA has had many periods even worse than now and seems to have survived. I think we'll get by because that's what democracies do: they muddle along. For a long time, they seem to be unable to make big decisions, and seem to be at the mercy of dark forces. Then suddenly we lurch forward. So in contrast to your near certain predictions of disaster looming, we may be on the cusp of making some big, positive changes. OK, maybe it will not be until the country is FUBAR but there comes a point when the mass of people do make clear big choices when they are faced with stark options.

    •  That's an intelligent reply. Point taken. Yes, (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm just saying that if you were to ask me, "could you quantify your certainty about what you are predicting?" I would use those numbers so you can have an idea.

      I recognize that I may be wrong.  I'm looking at a bunch of things happening, reading historical stuff, and then making conclusion based on what my intellectual capacity.

      But since fancy playing at an intellectual level I do recognize that there may be some faulty assumptions I'm making, and therefore the conclusion may be wrong.

      Now having said that, at this point I'll stand by my predictions and my conclusions.

      •  I might not put too fine a point on it, (2+ / 0-)
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        but I believe we are facing food insecurity, worldwide.  Russia, India and other countries have quietly stopped exporting grain.  Farm land in this country is going up, rapidly, while other real estate is going through the floor.

        With the chaotic weather, planting is down. What has been planted is facing flooding and drought depending on what part of the world it's in.

        I read a story the other day where a farmer had put in two new silos, someone appeared from the government to pinpoint them on a GPS unit.  I read previously that census takers were inquiring about and pinpointing food storage on properties.  It may be hysterical ravings from the right, but there always seems to be a crum of truth in these stories.  

        Add to that that almost all our foodstuffs are traded in the commodity markets, we could be looking at astronomical price increases, especially for protein finished with grain.   Notice how bipartisanship ruled when it came time to vote on ethanol subsidies?  Something is up.  

    •  Worse in what way? (0+ / 0-)

      GD 1 was worse.  That's about it.

      ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

      by Kristina40 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:20:51 AM PDT

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  •  "Hard" predictions make you sound loony... (7+ / 0-)

    ... when you don't back them up with any facts.

    For example, you state:

    I'm predicting (on this I'm 95% sure) that there will be another catastrophic financial collapse which will serve as another shock to the populace.

    Great. But you don't back your "95% certainty" with even a single dollop of evidence. WHY do you predict this?

    Meanwhile, I can go look at one of Krugman's more recent columns:

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    And walk away with REASONS why we're most likely about to realize a double-dip recession.

    You'd do better to pepper your predictions with historic or political trends that lead you to those conclusions, if you want anyone to take you seriously.

    Regards,
    Corporate Dog

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    We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

    by Corporate Dog on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 10:58:21 AM PDT

    •  You make a good point, so let me clarify. I do (2+ / 0-)
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      a lot of reading, including Krugman, and Robert Reich, and multiple other sources.  I read the Financial Times, The Economist, The Wall Street Journal.  I read stuff by Naomi Klein, and Naomi Wolf, and Greenwald.

      Back in 2005, 06', 07', there use to be a forum http://forums.wsj.com, which is not longer in operation.

      I remember having online debates and by 2007 I was making a hard prediction that there was going to be a catastrophic collapse due to fraudulent actions by Wall Street.  I was talking about credit default swaps, and bundling of worthless collateralized mortgage-backed securities, and how this stuff looked like a ponzy scheme.

      Anyways, I see where you're coming from.  That's why I add a little bit of a caveat when I try to quantify my certainty about these things I'm predicting.

      But I do realize that I may be wrong.

  •  They may not find it necessary . . . (6+ / 0-)

    with Obama in their pockets and the "drift" so strongly in their favor they may just let it take its time and avoid the mess.  They retain the option of some blatant "shock" if it becomes necessary (if it appears that people are "catching on"), but otherwise they are getting what they want as it is, so why would they mess with success?

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:00:05 AM PDT

  •  2012 should be wild but one thing about the (5+ / 0-)

    globalists and international bankers is they're patient motherfuckers.

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

    •  They also (1+ / 0-)
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      BigAlinWashSt

      cover their asses and politically speaking they win no matter who wins. They don't have the CEO of Chase/ Third Way chairman as the WH chief of staff  by accident as well as the GE CEO as labor secretary. Betrayus is CIA and Gates is firmly in place, so it's a neocon's wet dream no matter who is in power. No need for patience when you have your ducks lined up no matter who wins.  As for the shock doctrine it's pretty much ongoing and nobody seems able to find an antidote that has anything to do with either party or any parliamentary representation or even the basic laws that have evolved for centuries.      

  •  Do you have lunch with Harold Camping (4+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, Deep Texan, rb608, FG

    and Bart Sibrel regularly to discuss these theories?

    And when can we expect Cthulu to reawaken?

  •  Friendly advice: (8+ / 0-)

    You have a lot of good insight here, and there is a large audience at the site amenable to your viewpoint (see the rec list nearly every day for "shock doctrine" and related analytical frameworks).  But, as written, the diary has all of the hallmarks of crackpot conspiracy theory.  For example:

    --Overwrought end-times language
    --False precision in predicting unpredictable future events (85%? Really?), with just enough wiggle room in case you're wrong.
    --Condescension toward anyone who disagrees, with reference to some sort of herd animal (sheep, lemmings, deer -- I think you have 2 of the 3).
    --Unwarranted connection between historical events and actors to fit a grand narrative.  This one's tricky, as there's no doubt that the disparate strands of the conservative movement work well together toward a common purpose.  But the line is crossed with sci-fi language like "Phase 2."

    . . .and more I'm probably missing.  
    .

    You've been fooled by April, and she's gone. . .

    by cardinal on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:14:17 AM PDT

    •  Thank you. You are right. Let me explain... (8+ / 0-)

      I'm aware I'm doing those things.  I don't always write like that, but even when I stay within acceptable parameters, if I were to characterize my writing style (and objective), it would be that of a polemicist.

      I think that on a daily basis people are subjected to an incredible amount of propaganda and manipulation which results in conformity and acceptance of absurdities.

      Sometimes I write as if to take a sledgehammer and pound against that conformity.  But I do know it's a risky proposition....

      Your point is well taken.

  •  Look, you don't need conspiracy theories to (1+ / 0-)
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    AnnieR

    understand what's been happening to this country. Every society is shaped by a unique set of powerful ideological currants that run through it. The U.S. differs from most other post-industrial societies in that it has much stronger libertarian and fundamentalist christian currants. That's why the political discourse is the way it is and that's why elections turn out the way they do. That's what makes it possible for characters like Shrub to get elected to the Presidency and for characters like Reagan to become venerated like saints.

    "Maybe there's only one revolution, since the beginning -- the good guys against the bad guys. Question is: Who are the good guys?" ("The Professionals," 1966; Bill Dolworth (Burt Lancaster) to Hans Ehrengard (Robert Ryan).

    by brainwave on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:24:49 AM PDT

  •  Forget About 2012 (6+ / 0-)

    While I'm probably not as pessimistic as you I do believe that we are teetering on the edge of a second Great Depression and that there is a very good chance that we will fall over.  The Republican party is determined to destroy President Obama and they see economic chaos as their best chance of doing that.  

    They don't care that millions of Americans will be economic casualties.  The Republican­s are the party of big business, of the Chamber of Commerce, of the wealthy and they realize that future of wealth accumulati­on no longer is to be found here; their future is in Mexico, China, India and any number of asian and middle eastern countries where cheap labor and little regulation mean obscene profits can still be made. To the Republican­s and the plutocrats who control them the middle class is now just an expensive annoyance and a largely unnecessar­y drain on monies that could be going into their already overstuffe­d coffers. The Republican ethos has always been essentiall­y soulless and has always prized selfishness.  It's the Ayn Rand influence you mentioned.

    While I fear a depression I also fear that it will take one to get the attention  of society that has become disengaged from and disinterested in what their government of doing and how it has been stolen by the big-money corporate elites.

  •  i felt this way in 2008 (3+ / 0-)

    and decided my best bet was to escape.
    We differ about the HOW of it and our explanations but i'm quite sure that in a short time, basically the US will resemble feudal europe.

    I've said many times before that the ruling class has been trying to reinstate slavery ever since it was abolished.

    They are doing quite the job. Every one of us is fodder for the big whigs at the top and it will get worse in the coming years. we have no voice, we have no courts, we have no power. And its getting worse. Citizen United cemented (in my mind) the correctness of my theory and every SCOTUS ruling and much of congressional action since then have confirmed it all the more.

    Unless there's a "french revolution"style uprising (which I don;t see happening because the propagandists have done such a thorough and pervasive job over the decades that 40% of our population is just TOO DAMNED STUPID to see what's happening) , this country is gone.

    It makes me sad because this country has some really neat and unique things about it. But I think it's gone in almost every way. It's like watching a loved one in a complete coma. The person is actually "gone" but they're not really quite dead yet. That's how i feel.

    •  No need for a "French Revolution" yet, but there (0+ / 0-)

      has to be a massive awakening NOW, and people need to UNITE, organize, and put up a powerful FRONT against the implementation of this new order (neo fascist state).

    •  French Revolution (4+ / 0-)
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      Ray Pensador, Badabing, Russgirl, mdmslle

      In Profiles in Courage, John Kennedy wrote,  

      "A revolution is coming – a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough – but a revolution is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character; we cannot alter its inevitability."

        I hope he proves to be right because it’s going to take a revolution to make our government once again responsive to those built this country, those who fought, and still fight, the wars to keep it safe and those who’s labor generates it’s wealth.  It's going to take a revolution to wrest control of our government from the moneyed interests and the politicians they own.  Hopefully, when it comes that revolution will be compassionate and through the ballot box.
  •  Can't rec it, sounds a little paranoid, but (3+ / 0-)
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    hotlisting for future reference.

    BTW, is a coup d'etat part of what you foresee playing out? Or does your vision follow the "Obama is actually secretly evil" school of thought?

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 11:49:41 AM PDT

    •  No, I think Obama is a decent man. The coup (3+ / 0-)
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      already happened.  Some have called a silent Coup d'etat.  After 9/11 a number of very drastic (and completely unnecessary) and draconian actions were taken which resulted in the implementation of a neo fascist infrastructure.  It's already in place and now it's being deployed slowly (historically this is known as creeping fascism).

      •  So that makes Obama a figure head? yes? (0+ / 0-)

        Who's now or going to be calling the shots. Which neocon? Cheney? Who? I'd like to hear some names.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:06:35 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, he's a figure head, pretty much. But that's (1+ / 0-)
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          importer

          the same for every president...

          •  Names of who's really in charge? (1+ / 0-)
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            Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

            by JTinDC on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 12:24:20 PM PDT

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            •  A Neo-fascist plutocratic elite composed of (0+ / 0-)

              groups like the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, and ALEC (among others).  Behind that there is a very small group of corporate magnates who have taken the reins.

              They have corrupted (and taken over) both major political parties.  And as allies, they have the religious right and the gun-nuts.

              It's more complicated than this, but this pretty much gives you an idea of who's in charge.

              •  It'd be interesting if you were to flesh this out (0+ / 0-)

                further. And specific name would be great. Safe to assume the Koch bothers are among the magnates, yes?

                Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

                by JTinDC on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 03:46:08 PM PDT

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                •  Oh, you want the name of the Wizard of Oz! It (0+ / 0-)

                  doesn't work like that.  These movements are ideological and usually there are many people involved.  But for what it worth it, I go into more details regarding this subject in these diaries:

                  Chronicles of The Nascent American Plutocracy - Tuesday, June 14th, 2011

                  Check out the information about the Project for the New American Century.

                  And this one:

                  2012 Will Mark The Final Collapse of Democracy in The U.S.

                  Check out the information about ALEC.  I suggest you click on the link (about ALEC) and read a little more about it.

                  Also, check out the work by Naomi Klein, regarding "The Shock Doctrine", and Naomi Wolf and "The End of America."

                  •  YES! Who are the individuals behind the curtain? (1+ / 0-)
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                    I'm fairly familiar with PNAC and ALEC, haven't read Naomi Klein, but will make it a point to check her out.

                    I'm also familiar with the Family and I assume they are among the co-conspirators. It also occurred to me that Blackwater/Xi must have a vital role to play. And I wondered how a missing pallets with 6+ billion in cash stacked on them might fit into this somewhere.

                    Thanks for the links. I'll check then out.

                    Is life imitating art here? Is this actually some ultimate fight for good and evil? It sure feels like it. Only in your version of the story evil wins? Period? The End?

                    Treason has been committed if what you say is true. How in fucking hell does rule of law not win here? What will be required for rule of law to prevail?

                    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

                    by JTinDC on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:41:50 PM PDT

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                    •  Please take a look at this... The answer to your (1+ / 0-)
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                      question, yes, it is a fight between good and evil.  The forces of oppression, backwardness, fundamentalism and exploitation are always with us, always pounding away relentlessly against modernity and secular progressive society.

                      In the history of America the push back against exploitation and backwardness has always come from the people, from the bottom up.  And this will have to happen again this time.

                      I'm just wondering where is the tipping point that will bring about the leaders we need to get things started.  Where are the Malcom X's and the MLKs and the myriad of Labor  movement leaders that back in the day kept government officials awake at night?  

                      I guess things will have to get really bad before people wake up.  Some of us are trying to sound the alarm that is time to wake up NOW.

                      ----------------------------------------------------

  •  I don't see how you're different from (1+ / 0-)
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    Harold Camping.

  •  Agree with premise. Disagree with timetable. (1+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador

    The 2012 elections are key. If Obama gets re-elected and the House and Senate go Democratic (preferably overwhelmingly), we stand a fighting chance.

    If the right wing takes the whole ball of wax in 2012, this country as we knew it will cease to exist by 2016. Been saying that for years.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 04:14:16 PM PDT

    •  It's a "bet" then. It's not a bet I enjoy making, (0+ / 0-)

      but that's the conclusion I've reached after very careful deliberation.

      •  Keep in mind, I'm not saying (0+ / 0-)

        that things are going to be rainbows and unicorn farts even if Obama gets back in and we get 275 House seats and 70 Senate ones.

        Even if that happens (and I pray to God it does), we will still have a long, hard slog ahead of us and we will have to fight tooth and nail for every inch of progress.

        But at least we'll stand a hope of making progress.

        If the tehadists win in 2012, there's no hope at all.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Thu Jun 23, 2011 at 05:10:45 PM PDT

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  •  People asking who should google Bilderberg (1+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador

    Perhaps start with the list of attendees at Bilderberg, interesting to note Bernanke attended in 2008.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

    "The farther you enter the truth, the deeper it is" Bankei Zenji

    by treeuggerIT on Mon Jun 27, 2011 at 11:40:50 AM PDT

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