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In a bit of a meta-Only-in-Washington moment (itself discussing an Only-in-Washington moment), Ezra Klein spots Rortybomb spotting Ezra Klein spotting another incident of Republican Lucy-holding-the-football-ism.

And that is a new world record for hyphenization. Ism.

Let me unpack that storyline in reverse. First, Ezra:

A bit more information has trickled out over the last few days detailing the exact state of the budget negotiations when they collapsed. Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They'd already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion -- so, 17 percent -- of the package be tax increases. And that's when Republicans walked.

Then Rortybomb's Mike Konczal on Ezra's observation:

So the Democrats are proposing 17% tax increases, 83% spending cuts, and the Republicans are rejecting it. Well, this just forces us to ask: What’s the ideal conservative Republican ratio here?

[...]

So if you opened the Republican economic study that their whole argument is based on, you would find that they recommend 15% tax increases, 85% spending cuts.  There’s even a chart!  Remember, the Democrats are proposing…..17% tax increases, 83% spending cuts, and getting rejected.

Finally, Ezra concludes:

By the end of the debt-ceiling negotiations, the Obama administration had agreed to a deal that would reduce the deficit by $2.4 trillion, with $2 trillion of the total coming from spending cuts and $400 billion coming from tax increases. Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal.

[...]

So when the GOP’s economic policy team sat down to make the strongest case they could for growth-inducing deficit reduction, they recommended a mix an 85:15 mix, not a 100:0 mix. And then, when the Obama administration agreed to an 83:17 mix, the Republican leadership walked out of the room and demanded that taxes be excluded from the deal altogether. How do you negotiate with that?

Got it? So, bottom line: Republicans in March said they wanted to see an 85:15 ratio in cuts to tax increases. Dems offered 83:17. Republicans said F you, we're outta here. President says that's childish. DC pundits declare president a dick.

I am not shitting you.

All this, by itself, is not news to you, I'm sure. But I'm bringing it up in order to point out that once again,reading Daily Kos is like getting the paper a week early:

At this point, analyzing Republican duplicity any further than simply stating it as a conclusion is just too tiresome to contemplate. Even writing this post is in many ways too tiresome to contemplate. So I'm going to make it easy on myself and on you, the reader. Why is it time—indeed, well past time—to call out Republicans, as Senate Dems did earlier today?

Here are a few, but by no means all, easily recalled examples. Consider:

  • Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health insurance mandate morphs into the Affordable Care Act, but Republicans suddenly learn to hate the individual mandate at the heart of both plans
  • Republicans insist tax cuts never have to be "paid for" with spending cuts, then demand that the 1099 reporting provisions that have the effect of increasing tax liabilities for business be repealed; Democrats agree to repeal them (thus lowering business tax liabilities), and Republicans block the move because the cuts aren't paid for
  • Senate GOP demands a vote on permanent extension of Bush tax cuts, is offered such a vote, then blocks their own deal
  • January's Senate rules reform fight ends with an agreement that, in part, includes a deal to pass a bill reducing the number of presidential nominations requiring Senate approval, thus lowering the number of potential filibusters gumming up the works. When the bill is ready to move to the floor, Republicans attempt to block it

Since we're going by playground rules today and calling people dicks, we might as well call this what it is. In G-rated parlance, it's Lucy and the football. In MSNBC-rated parlance, it's fucking bullshit, and everyone on the playground should kick you in the ass.

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  •  Allegory Suggested by Boehner's hissy-fits (27+ / 0-)

    Overheard at a garage sale:

    “This beautiful grandfather clock is only $150.”

    “Eh, I'll give you ten.”

    “TEN?! You insult me... but I suppose I can take $100.”

    “Ten.”

    “$50?”

    “Ten.”

    “$25?”

    “Ten.”

    “$15?”

    “Ten.”

    “Sigh. Okay, ten.”

    “... Five.”

    “You know, you could have just told me you're a Republican and saved us both a lot of time.”

  •  This is why they are freaking (17+ / 0-)

    out and calling Obama a "dick" for saying no more.

    CitizenX: "If the republicans were in charge GM & Chrysler would be dead and Osama bin Laden would be alive."

    by TomP on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:23:47 AM PDT

    •  That's Why You Don't Negotiate! (1+ / 0-)
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      MKinTN

      WITH TERRORISTS! Because every concession just leads to a new set of Demands!

      Obama is betraying us by refusing to FIGHT! If he'd come out in January and raised the political price Republicans have to pay for doing this crap by speaking out to the nation about the dangers of default and demanding a clean bill and explaining it to the American people then they wouldn't be pulling this crap!

      He just capitulates every damn time!

      "Taxes, in other words, would be about 17 percent of the final deal. Republicans rejected it. But as little as four months ago, it was the Republican ideal."

      What the HELL is he doing "negotiating" from the Republican position of 4 months ago?  And then letting them make their position even worse.

      He's such a pathetic weakling that he's having to fight to get what was the Republican position back in February? That's his "negotiation?"

      Seriously? We're stuck with this kind of incompetence for the next 6 years?

  •  As Ezra also observed (9+ / 0-)

    The POTUS presser yesterday means precisely that negotiations have broken down.

    I'm looking at my 401(k) fund options and asking myself "What will be safe when the world financial markets realize the Republicans are 100% insane?". I guess it's back into the stable value fund and hope that people are still willing to hold 3 month paper.


    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:24:25 AM PDT

  •  Now that you have that out of your system (0+ / 0-)

    are YOU going to take a week off?

    Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living~~Mother Jones

    by CA Berkeley WV on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:25:20 AM PDT

  •  If I Could, I Would Beat The Traditional Media To (0+ / 0-)

    Death with a spiked club and then release my bladder on the pulped corpse.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher

    by Beetwasher on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:26:02 AM PDT

  •  It's getting hard for allies to take us seriously (8+ / 0-)

    This ungovernable mess is embarrassing and dangerous to our world standing. Maybe that's all to the good, according to tea-party fundamentalists, trying to isolate and fragment our once-unified economy.

    From the BBC:

    Mars missions in summer slow lane

    US and European efforts to send joint missions to Mars will stay in the slow lane over the summer while the Americans organise their finances.

    European nations were hoping this week to release industry to start work on building an orbiter to hunt for methane in Mars' atmosphere in 2016.

    But the full authority could not be given because Washington said it was not yet in a position to commit to the programme in its entirety, which includes sending a rover to the Red Planet two years later.

    Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

    by chimpy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:26:57 AM PDT

  •  It's always take, take, take! (5+ / 0-)

    (H/T to The Clash)

    I swear to whatever God there is, the next time the Republicans change their position by asking for more, the Democrats should counter by offering less.

    R: I want two-thirds of that loaf!
    D: Well, you can have half.
    R: Half?! I demand three-quarters!
    D: Okay, then, we'll take three-quarters; thank you for being so generous.

    What's wrong with negotiating that way?

    Oh, I forget: the President is black; they can't "lose" to a black man.

    Man, I'm really learning to hate Republicans.  

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:27:42 AM PDT

  •  It's gotten so 4th grade with them. (3+ / 0-)
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    MikeTheLiberal, asm121, Eric Nelson

    It's all they have, which is to say, pathetic.

    Sarah Palin: All pistol and no squint.

    by CanyonWren on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:28:32 AM PDT

  •  No new taxes! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    chimpy
  •  hell it should be 50:50 BUT the repubs got a good (0+ / 0-)

    deal offered to them and they acted like dickish children

  •  GOP to claim Democrats want a 17% tax increase in (3+ / 0-)
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    chimpy, agent, shoeless

    3... 2... 1...

    I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

    by wretchedhive on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:30:01 AM PDT

  •  Republicans. Don't. Want. A. Deal. (7+ / 0-)

    How hard is this to figure out?

    They're saying it, loudly, proudly and in numbers.

    McConnell is through his jowls.

    Boehner is out of the side of his well tanned mouth.

    Cantor is out of that tight sneer of his.

    DeMint is just roaring from the pulpit about it.

    And that's just the start of the list.

    Republicans want this disaster that they've engineered, that they've plotted for, that they've planned for - and they expect nothing but win from their coming attack on America:

    An attack that, if you go by the month and year, will long be remembered as 8/11.

    I guess because 9/11 isn't soon enough for them.

    Uh huh. I went there. Tell me I'm wrong - find me those Republicans willing to commit to saving the Republic, whether Rush Limbaugh and his pet critters likes it or not.

    Name one. Well, you will need to name dozens - but where is that brave Republican who will remember their actual citizenship when their country needs them most?

    (waits)

    (waits more)

    Hmm-hmm.

    •  Oh they want a deal....But they want a Democratic (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      agent, shoeless, chimpy, cskendrick

      sacrificial virgin first.

    •  I say give it to them 100%. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      shoeless, VA6thDem

      Plunge the country and the world into chaos to destroy the republican party once and for all.  Without them, we could maybe rebuild really really quickly, starting with a 75% one time windfall tax on all wealth held by US citizens past the first 10 million or so.

      •  'It' being the disaster they've planned. nt (0+ / 0-)
      •  Picture: Greece (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ezekial 23 20, MKinTN, chimpy

        A relatively small economy ($0.3 trillion GDP in 2009) that is not closely correlated with American markets.

        Troubles there chopped 10% off the S&P500 here...and there's yet to be a default... granted it's bounced back but only due to active intervention within the means of larger economies such as Germany.

        Now picture: America ($14.1 trillion GDP in 2009)

        A relatively large economy that is perfectly correlated with American markets.

        Now picture an actual sovereign default event applied to an economy that is 47 times larger - and just happens to be ours.

        1. A worse event
        2. On a much larger basis
        3. And no larger economies around to mitigate the collapse

        Oops.

        And this is what the GOper Creepers want.

        They want their attack to succeed.

        They want 8/11.

      •  This makes sense because either way... (0+ / 0-)

        we're screwed. Might as well be a scenario where it leads to the demise of your opponent.

        "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

        by VA6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:24:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  We are not all on the same side anymore (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr MadAsHell, cskendrick

      Imagine yourself a Congressman (skip this step if you already are). Imagine being okay working alongside people with whom you disagree.

      The assumption in Congress, a necessary condition for trying to debate and make laws together is that we're all on the same side. That we all want our country to succeed. Even if we have different philosophies of government, that's really the point of meeting all in one place where we can debate, to balance and inform each others' philosophies. Even if our local constituencies have different economic interests, that's the point of all getting a vote, after explaining our cases to each other.

      But, if half of us have a stake in seeing the country fail, that's a potential conflict of interest. Having the economy in the dumps makes reelection tougher for the President, so those of poor character in the opposing party might like to see him fail, out of some petty spite. Only a few would be so badly minded to actually use their power to derail their country's economy for personal spite. So, sure, we can ignore the occasional rants and weather the few rogue votes and keep on working.

      Maybe there are even a few in our midst with unique, personal economic reasons to sell his country out. Maybe someone is personally connected to a defense contractor, and votes to perpetuate a stinker of a program. Maybe kickbacks from a local developer lead a Representative to earmark a bridge to nowhere. Maybe Eric Cantor has actually placed a bet against the Treasury, and would personally benefit from our country's economic collapse.

      What turns the tide of numbers, however, is campaign finance. With today's concentration of wealth and power, Congressmen in the property-over-people party are more and more beholden all to the same few donors, and the same few national committees. Those few committees want a package deal, to control all three branches of government, and they use their money's power to force party discipline. Whatever qualms an otherwise reasonable Republican might have, he knows he'll be hung out to dry at election time if he takes his country's best interest to heart.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:59:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We weren't all on the same side in 1776 either (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        chimpy

        or in 1861.

        •  In 1776 & 1861, ... (0+ / 0-)

          Even in 1861, the Confederates shared the interest of keeping a viable economy going in North America, whatever basis they expected it to operate on. And, when the South decided to secede, that is when its leaders decided to become traitors to our Republic, they had the decency to say so openly:

          December 13, 1860—Twenty-three House members and seven Senators from the South make a public announcement calling for the creation of a Southern Confederacy.

          In 1776, the formation of a Republic was a matter for legitimate debate, so I'll excuse anyone present a the time for taking whatever side made sense to them.

          Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

          by chimpy on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:53:51 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  All this s relevant only if Dems don't back down. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Ezekial 23 20, pengiep

    Otherwise, the moral of this story will be all the GOP obstructionism, hypocrisy and general sleaziness, in a word, WORKS.

  •  The Dem leaders can rally the base by (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pengiep

    pointing at the GOP boogeyman and saying "they made us cut!"

    The GOP can rally their base by shouting "Socialism!".

    And the plutocrats can sit back, eat popcorn, and watch as the jousting tourney unfolds for their amusement.

    Which side's champion will win?

    Who's champion will leave the field in disgrace?

    Bring out the contestants!  Let the show begin!

    The people demand their entertainment.

    And the Plutocrats call for Austerity.

    Something for everyone!  

    As a hardcore Democrat, Obama has shaken my faith. Imagine what he's done for independents.

    by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:34:16 AM PDT

  •  Seriously who runs this country? (2+ / 0-)
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    filby, pengiep

    The Democrats have the White House and the Senate and they're offering to take only 15% of the final deal?  Democrats suck.

  •  The logical conclusion (0+ / 0-)

    of sound-bite echo chamber politics.  The substance of the policies championed by the GOP are irrelevant, their negotiation maneuvers are irrelevant, their votes are irrelevant.

    All that matters is what they say.  Today.  And the pundits, all a twitter, agree.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:34:37 AM PDT

  •  'Unsustainable'....the Luntzism every dittohead... (0+ / 0-)

    uses to describe the the current state of the debt......'Incoherent' is a good description of the GOP approach to a resolution. Grover Norquist has them by the short and curlies.

  •  Professional Lefties...correct again! (7+ / 0-)

    See why we say there is no point in negotiating with them?

    We've been saying all along, just go use the bully pulpit, win the argument, THEN negotiate.

    Now we see that by negotiating first, Dems damn near gave the Republicans almost EVERYTHING they wanted, and then the GOP did...quite frankly, the smart thing: they demanded MORE. I mean why not? If im asking 85-15, and you say 83-17...LOL...shit you may as well give me 90-10! I may as hold out for 100-0 and compromise at 95-5!

    This is why it is pointless to negotiate with terrorists. Their demands will never end. You have to BEAT THEM...then negotiate.

    Now that the White House has seen all their pointless negotiations go to shit, NOW they wanna use the bully pulpit. LOL.

    Which is great...better late than never. But still, we could have spent the past couple of months beating the shit out of the Republican defense of the rich...DRIVING IT INTO THE MINDS OF THE ELECTORATE...and then sat down to negotiations this week. But oh well. What the hell do we know.

    •  No you wouldn't be driving it into their minds. (0+ / 0-)

      This "bully pulpit" doesn't work in a modern, 24 hour news "balance" cycle.

      At any given point, any remotely progressive position has at least 30 people formulating a good counter-strategy, and even more importantly, millions of foot-soldiers to carry that message forward.

      It always helps too to have an ideologically constant (for the purposes of maladministration) caucus, which the Republicans have.

      Hell, this site can't even agree on anything. Numerous clarion calls for a unified message to get our position out there have been ignored in lieu of pie fights.

      I'll guarantee you that with the way this "balance" cycle works, there will be umpteen scores of pundits on the television repeating that this impasse is President Obama's fault.

      I also guarantee that they will gladly say that whatever catastrophe happens when the hostage's throat is slit, is also going to be President Obama's fault.

      •  Dude...what has been the GOP message (0+ / 0-)

        over and over and over and over and over again?

        CUT SPENDING. CUT SPENDING. CUT SPENDING. They repeat it over and over and over and over and over. Then, when its time to sit down, what are we talking about? We aren't talking about anything but cutting spending. So it is no wonder then that they go into negotiations with a 85-15 request and get a 87-13 offer. LOL.

        What if we had done the same thing?

        RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH. RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH. RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH.

        Guess what we'd be talking about? Yep. How much to raise taxes on the rich.

        If only we had a President who was a brilliant orator and savvy campaigner, who could win people over with his silver tongue....

        •  Yeah we have that President. (0+ / 0-)

          We also have a party of individuals, or at least factions.

          Much like this site. So don't be surprised that there's no unified message.

          That the Republicans don't have to rely on one person to get their whole message out tells you all you need to know.

    •  I've talked to some of our right wing brethren (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mr MadAsHell, pengiep

      They want Greece 2.0 to happen, and to happen here.

      They see it as an unqualified good - the final repudiation of All That's Liberal  - and they're not listening to anyone say otherwise not even their own.

      They want 8/(20)11... just like the other terrorists wanted 9/11.

      Right now I imagine a host of traditional corporate elites are sizing up their options re party affiliations because getting permanent Richie Rich tax cuts on a wholly collapsed economy is manifest FAIL.

      Also, there is the minor matter that if there is no functional U.S. treasury there's no functioning U.S. Treasury bond market.

      Oops.

      Again...Republicans don't care. They want to spark a sell-off ahead of the deadline.

      Find whose short on Treasury paper - who is Republican.

      We know Eric Cantor is short on T-bonds. Who else?

      How much personal wealth does the Republican leadership stand to lose... if a debt ceiling deal goes through?

      Start by asking Eric Cantor.

      •  The whole G20 wants austerity. (0+ / 0-)

        Only decades of austerity and shedding of money committed to pensions and health care will satisfy.

        They've decided to drain the last well.

        The G7 wants it to create a wee bit of creditworthiness and fatten the diminishing allocation of investment toward the developed economies.

        Emerging economies and Shanghai Cooperation Organization want stability and higher interest in the bond markets.

        It's Americans and Europeans against their own governments and the rest of the wold.  

        Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

        by kck on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:11:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  And go to the bully pupit over and over (0+ / 0-)

      ...driving the agenda and pace  until Boehner has to come back from vacation early looking so pockmarked from Presidential pressors he looks like swiss cheese (ew, orange swiss cheese....)  

      Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

      by kck on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:01:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  we should have started with 85% tax hikes, 15% (7+ / 0-)

    spending cuts, and met them in the middle at no more than 50% spending cuts.  And even that's ridiculous,.given the economy.

    It should be 100% tax hikes.

    •  EXACTLY. (5+ / 0-)

      This is exactly what we "haters" are talking about. Why go into a negotiation offering exactly what the other side wants? All they're going to do is think "jesus...ive got a patsy here...why not demand more?"

      Our starting negotiating position should have simple: We don't need to cut spending at all...we need to raise taxes on the wealthy.

      That's a strong negotiating position and then you slowly give up ground. For ever billion in spending cuts you give up, you give the GOP a billion in tax cuts. You slowly concede ground until you get to a 66-34 deal..and THEN you ratchet up the pressure even more.

      If you get right up on the deadline and 50-50 becomes a compromise, you bank that and move on.

      THAT, sir, is how one conducts negotiations. I have no idea what the White House calls it.

    •  Exactly; Welcome to Democratic "Negotiation" (0+ / 0-)

      read my post downstream, re: the tendency for Obama to cave on crucial policy.

      "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

      by Superpole on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:54:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not even. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ezekial 23 20

      We shouldn't even be trying to balance the budget in this sluggish economy.  The only way to win this game was not to play.

      But whether the Democrats simply lack the strength of their (suppused) neo-Keynesian convictions, or have simply given up trying to sell them to the public, they have essentially publicly bought into 99% of the Republicans' stated economic views.

      As a result, the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner in which their best argument is "we're the serious fiscal conservatives here."

      Only two problems with that argument:

      1) Just as voters are irrationally prone to think of the Dems as "weak on defense," they're similarly irrationally prone to think of the GOP as more serious fiscal conservatives.

      2) As Republicans like Dick Cheney readily admit when their in power, voters don't actually care about deficits per se.  Even if Democrats win the "we're the real fiscal conservatives" argument, it will get them very few votes.

      Cutting the budget is, for Democrats, both bad policy and bad politics.

      Once you realize that, this argument over spending cuts vs. tax increases starts to look like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  •  They're Just Playing Bad Cop / Psycho Cop (5+ / 0-)

    They all want the Progressive and New Deal era gone entirely.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:38:31 AM PDT

  •  Can someone explain to me (6+ / 0-)

    how we got to the point where, when deciding the future of this nation's finances, an 83 cut/17 tax rise split became something Democrats could even contemplate supporting?

    This shit is just getting embarrassing now.

    The Republicans need to be called out, endlessly, but it must be remembered - this kind of crap is what they run on every swinging time, and their mouthbreathing base sends them back to Congress every swinging time. I know I sure as hell didn't vote for my (D) congressman nor President Obama to take such a shitty, deplorable position on things of this nature.

    Again, embarrassing.

  •  And proves the president's point (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    filby, pengiep, nominalize

    As the president pointed out, if revenue increases are not on the table then you're not serious about deficit reduction.  Thank you, Mr. Cantor, for proving the point.

    In 2010, I paid more taxes than General Electric.

    by GrogInOhio on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:43:07 AM PDT

  •  it is also kabuki (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ferg, Mr MadAsHell, VA6thDem, jhawklefty

    i'm supposed to see 83% cuts, 17% revenue as a win for democrats?

    that's bullshit. It's like Foreman claiming he won the rumble in the jungle because Ali got a black eye.

    and i suppose if this is the final deal, I'm supposed to cheer "hooray for our democrats and Obama, whatta great deal with the minority party!"

    Fuck that.  If that's how Democrats negotiate, I wish they'd become Porsche dealers, because I'd walk off the lot with a 911 paying for little more than the tires.

  •  Mitch and Boehner should take note of what Obama (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jerry056

    did to Ryan......Ryan who? you might ask....(dude was a superstar)

    •  I like the sentiment but disagree... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Van Buren

      it was reality-based seniors (those that don't watch Fox) that did that to Ryan.

      "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

      by VA6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:29:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You know what would have been nice? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mr MadAsHell

    A progressive, Democratic vision to serve as a basis of negotiations.  The President and the Dem leadership in House and Senate wouldn't even have to come up with something...the Progressive Caucus already did the work for them!

    But instead of clearly outlining what they wanted and negotiating from that, the Democrats let the GOP set the terms of the debate, which, in turn, set up the Lucy-football-pulling game that we've seen happen yet again.

    (A cynic might eventually conclude that, outside of the Progressive Caucus, the Democrats simply don't have an alternative economic vision to the GOP’s.  But perhaps they're just entirely strategically incompetent and incapable of learning from their mistakes.)

  •  Now, how to make this all generally known? (0+ / 0-)

    This is exactly the kind of information that needs to be all over the air, cable, and newsprint.

    Where the fuck is the traditional media on this fucking bullshit, anyway?  And, are Congressional Dems pounding this drum?  If not, why not?

  •  Problem: Past Caving by Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    CALL.THEIR.BLUFF or-- don't bother trying to be re-elected next year.

    The rather large problem is in the bogus interest of "bi-partisanship" the Obama administration has CAVED on numerous deals/legislation already: big Pharma, the extensions of the hideous bush tax cuts, no EFCA, no climate change legislation, no stop to the wars of choice started under bush, and so forth.

    Red meat repug sharks smell blood... and they're going to push Obama to the edge on this.

    Based on his past caving, I think I know who's gonna blink first.

    "I don't feel the change yet". Velma Hart

    by Superpole on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:52:41 AM PDT

  •  What the GOP really wanted was ... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... 85% spending cuts, 15% tax increases and one term only for President Obama. At least on the last point, Obama isn't negotiating.

    "It does not require many words to speak the truth." -- Chief Joseph, native American leader (1840-1904)

    by highfive on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 10:52:47 AM PDT

  •  It's all about winning (1+ / 0-)
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    If they get the other 2 houses back the deficit will be stuck back in the box where it was kept for the 8 years of Bush, they will vote to increase some revenue, and they will support Libya.

    •  "winning"... (0+ / 0-)

      reminded me of Charlie Sheen. Sometimes I wish it were him negotiating for the Dem side.

      "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

      by VA6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:31:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is why (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama and the Dems need to stop playing tiddly winks with these asshats.

    They [The Republicans] are not here to compromise. They are not here to make America better. They are not here to serve the American people.

    They are here to funnel as much money as they can to the very rich and to the let corporations who pay them run rampant all the while using the after effects of it to destroy the Democrats and the country in general.

    This, my friends, is a political war whether you would like to consider it that or not. One side is trying for compromise and the other is trying to kill their opponent down to the last man.

    Compromise only works when both sides want it to.

  •  I think Kevin Drum has a good take (7+ / 0-)
    Halperin didn't quite realize he was on the air when he said this, and when he did he immediately apologized and was later suspended by MSNBC. However, this is of zero interest to me. If Halperin thinks Obama is a dick, it's fine with me if he says it publicly. In fact, I'd rather he say it publicly. A mild reproach from MSNBC management for offending the delicate sensibilities of Morning Joe viewers would have been sufficient apology.

    Needless to say, what's actually interesting here is that Halperin, in fact, thinks Obama is a dick for getting slightly combative yesterday. And this is interesting precisely because Halperin is an unimaginative weathervane of conventional wisdom. It presumably means that a fair sized chunk of the DC press corps also thinks Obama was a bit of a dick yesterday.

    If this is the case, all I can say is that the standards for dickitude have become alarmingly low in Washington DC these days. I mean, Republicans have spent several consecutive months holding the country hostage to their tea party base, pretending to negotiate a budget deal when they obviously had no intention of ever agreeing to any kind of compromise, nearly chortling at their own cleverness, and publicly dressing down Obama at every opportunity. But after putting up with this for months, it's Obama who's a dick for finally pushing back a bit against these guys? Seriously?

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:05:43 AM PDT

  •  Destroy Obama's Reelection Chances (1+ / 0-)
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    If that means blowing up the national and world economies, so be it. Generally one cannot believe a word Sen. McConnell says, but on one point he was surprisingly honest: The Republicans want to make Obama a one-term President. And, if that means bringing the nation and the world to their knees, so be it. Regaining the reins of power is more important to the Republicans than anything. And since the only Americans that matter to them are the wealthiest 2%, that the 98% would be harmed, well that's just collateral damage. And who cares about collateral damage when you've just won the war?

  •  The President is clearly a dick if he thought (0+ / 0-)

    that this bipartisany thingy would work this time.

    If anything, Obama did not castigate Teapublicans enough yesterday and treated them too nicely.  I know, the POTUS needs to be dignified, but as he once said: "don't bring a knife to a gun fight ..."

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41:31 AM PDT

  •  Time For President Obama To Stop Negotiating And (0+ / 0-)

    play some hard ball. Maybe Obama is starting to get it that all the right wingers want to do is tank the economy so they can blame him AND win the 2012 presidential election. I'm actually glad the Republicans rejected the deal, because it is much too generous to the rich. When the Republicans return from their "vacation"  Obama should offer them a revised deal - 50% spending cuts and 50% tax increases on the wealthy. Tell them if they reject this deal and walk out again, the next revised deal will be 25% spending cuts and 75% tax increases on the wealthy, etc.  Keep going until its 0% spending cuts and 100% tax increases on the wealthy.

  •  Good to hear Sen. Schumer once... (1+ / 0-)
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    again state that the regressive party is sabotaging the economy for political gain, on the Senate floor.

    "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

    by BarackStarObama on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 11:56:50 AM PDT

  •  The government shutdown (0+ / 0-)

    is on the way. It's always been their agenda and nothing will stop it. They cannot help it. It's in their DNA. They think Americans will blame the President. They are very wrong. Every night during the shutdown, you'll see a light on in the WH as reporters stand out on Pennsylvania Avenue. The President will go on TV and address the nation. People already know that Obama is the Great Compromiser. They will not buy any suggestion that he is being intransigent. I hate that ordinary people are going to suffer but it's time they saw clearly who is causing their suffering. It's only a shame we don't have a recall process for Congress members.

  •  Real News is total Capitulation of D's (0+ / 0-)

    Look at what they already have given up.  The squabble over 400 billion in revenue is just kabuki.  POTUS is giving away the store.  But asking for some fig leaf tax to show us.  This austerity will will hurt for years and be the end of the Democratic Party once it is commonly known.

    Flashback to Dec 2010

  •  Is this all counting the end of the W tax cuts in (0+ / 0-)

    2012?

    That right there will raise about $400G/yr I believe.  And Obama can use the argument that by taxing the wealthy more, he can keep the tax cut for everyone else.

    Look, I trust that Biden will not give away the farm - he is cutting stuff that can be (and probably should be) cut.  Maybe he's giving away the homeowner tax deduction - well that's a good thing IMHO.  Maybe he's cutting defense pork - that's even better!

    What this budget deal does do is codify the health care law as part of the budget going forward.  Once everyone is the same boat and all but the largest of employers pull out of the health care racket, then the health care law will be "too big to fail" and as immovable as Medicare.

  •  it's more Calvinball than Lucy and football (0+ / 0-)

    the rules of the game keep changing during play

    I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

    by blue drop on Thu Jun 30, 2011 at 01:29:20 PM PDT

  •  Dems Abysmal Performance (0+ / 0-)

    So with taxes at an all time low in modern America, those valiant Dems, led by con artist Obama, are willing to accept a deficit reduction plan that 83% of will be paid for on the backs of the middle class and working poor.  And you people are complaining that the Rethuglicans won't accept it?  You should be angry as hell that the Dems accept it.

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